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Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Saturday, 11 February 2017 13:13:31 UTC, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. *extra* low voltage ? :-) That'll be a right bugger for theatres and sports stadia. Owain |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 13:13, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. That would make sense when everyone is using LEDs. Though incandescents can be low voltage and no-one suggested that all your lighting circuits should be supplied from a transformer. Then it wouldn't matter if you stuck your fingers in the sockets (as I suggested in another post). -- Max Demian |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Saturday, 11 February 2017 13:13:31 UTC, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. they already are, if you use the 17th edition terminology. Anyone heard this? Making them all 50v makes no sense. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. Should have used a toroid... -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. 240V *is* low voltage. So is 230V. -- Adam |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. Should have used a toroid... I did. Three of them in fact. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. Should have used a toroid... PS do you mean a toroidal transformer? |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:41 +0000, Scott
wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. Should have used a toroid... I did. Three of them in fact. So you were feeding these LEDs 12vAC? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW
wrote: On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote: On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. 240V *is* low voltage. So is 230V. Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. . |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
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Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
In article , Scott
wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW wrote: On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote: On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. 240V *is* low voltage. So is 230V. Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. . Low voltage: Exceeding extra-low (not exceeding 50v ac or 120v dc) but not exceeding 1000v ac or 900v dc between conductors and earth. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott
wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW wrote: On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote: On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. 240V *is* low voltage. So is 230V. Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. . That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is or isn't LV. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? Total ********. The consultation document hasnt been released yet, so no-one, apart from the JPEL Committee members know what is to be included. Maybe it is someone who thinks low voltage is ~12-24volts, whereas that is extra low voltage? |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:51:37 +0000, Graham.
wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:41 +0000, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. Should have used a toroid... I did. Three of them in fact. So you were feeding these LEDs 12vAC? Yes. I understand this is where the problem lay, with the switched mode converter handling 19 or so times the current mains would have needed. I had to go back to halogen. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:00:17 +0000, Graham.
wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW wrote: On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote: On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. 240V *is* low voltage. So is 230V. Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. . That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is or isn't LV. I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was commenting on that reasoning. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
Graham. wrote:
so is 1000V. (so is 1500V. if it's DC) :::::::::: :::::::::: so is 231V. so is 230V. So is 229V. well-known series So is 51V. So is 50V. You could argue that the rest isn't, because it is ELV. Depends on context, obviously. -- Roger Hayter |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:00:17 +0000, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW wrote: On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote: On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. 240V *is* low voltage. So is 230V. Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. . That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is or isn't LV. I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was commenting on that reasoning. Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V -- Roger Hayter |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/17 16:42, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. Should have used a toroid... PS do you mean a toroidal transformer? Of course. What other types of toroids are in use in LV lighting circuits? -- It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. Thomas Sowell |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not
come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present. I'm sure there were many such designs proposed back when tomorrows World was on the telly. When I was young my gran had an electric iron that had a BC male connector on it to plug into a lamp socket. so we have come a long way since then, or have we? Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "David Lang" wrote in message ... Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 18:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/02/17 16:42, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Should have used a toroid... PS do you mean a toroidal transformer? Of course. What other types of toroids are in use in LV lighting circuits? Sugar doughnuts? Magnetic confinement for fusion generators? -- Max Demian |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 18:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:00:17 +0000, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott wrote: Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. . That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is or isn't LV. I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was commenting on that reasoning. Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V I hope that the return to proper, British, 240 volts is an important part of the Brexit negotiations. -- Max Demian |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 19:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present. It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't stick their fingers in. -- Max Demian |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:05:52 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present. There are a number of BC lampholders that are perfectly safe. One type have springs that have to be depressed to make contact inside the holder. They are not live unless pressed hard. A better type have a built in 'switch'. The bulb is inserted, then rotated to lock. The rotation operates the switch. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me Β£1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:41:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 11/02/17 16:42, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. Anyone heard this? I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated radio reception. Should have used a toroid... PS do you mean a toroidal transformer? Of course. What other types of toroids are in use in LV lighting circuits? That's a yes then, the lighting tracks were each powered by a toroidal transformer. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:48:54 +0000, Max Demian
wrote: On 11/02/2017 19:05, Brian Gaff wrote: No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present. It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't stick their fingers in. Not if they are part of a table lamp. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 :
Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please? |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 : Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please? I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than having the limited 240V market. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
dennis@home wrote:
On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 : Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please? I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than having the limited 240V market. But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now. -- Roger Hayter |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 22:44, Roger Hayter wrote:
dennis@home wrote: On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 : Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please? I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than having the limited 240V market. But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now. But if they have to mark everything 240V rather than 230V its going to put up the price. Not that paying more has any effect on brexiteers. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:28:17 +0000, dennis@home
wrote: I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than having the limited 240V market. But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now. But if they have to mark everything 240V rather than 230V its going to put up the price. Not that paying more has any effect on brexiteers. Somewhere in the world a factory is making lamps for Australia Specification says 240 Volt https://www.lightonline.com.au/gls-b...st-60w-bayonet same for New Zealand http://thelightbulbshop.co.nz/incand...1#.WJ-wffZ4jIU Fairly sure that India is still 240 as well, Shouldn't be too difficult to find who supplies those places and get those versions. Whether the actual lamps differ from the 230 ones coming out of the same Chinese factory I would not know. G.Harman |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Saturday, 11 February 2017 19:05:59 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present. I'm sure there were many such designs proposed back when tomorrows World was on the telly. When I was young my gran had an electric iron that had a BC male connector on it to plug into a lamp socket. so we have come a long way since then, or have we? Brian I recently bought a batten lampholder that has shielded BC contacts. |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Saturday, 11 February 2017 19:48:59 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2017 19:05, Brian Gaff wrote: No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present. It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't stick their fingers in. Wrong answer. I think I was 6. NT |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Saturday, 11 February 2017 22:44:38 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
dennis@home wrote: On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 : Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please? I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than having the limited 240V market. But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now. It's amazing how many people think we actually have 230v at the socket. NT |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On 11/02/2017 18:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:00:17 +0000, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW wrote: On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote: On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote: Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain date will have to be low voltage. 240V *is* low voltage. So is 230V. Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. . That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is or isn't LV. I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was commenting on that reasoning. Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V At least we are not on 120V like some poor sods. -- Adam |
Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
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Low voltage lighting in 18th edition?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:40:33 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't stick their fingers in. Wrong answer. I think I was 6. Ditto... -- Cheers Dave. |
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