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Cyclone dust separators for woodwork
I have a pretty powerful extract system available in my garage (BEAM
whole house vac), but this puts huge volumes of shaving & dust down the pipes . So thought about installing a Cyclone-separator some call them dual bucket separators in my case the BEAM would be the 2nd bucket. I had been looking around at various diy projects on-line for this .. ranging from sheet metal work & leaf blowers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnZcmZRP-nw Pretty rough road cone variants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2leQV0I8w To incredibly detailed woodwork projects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8jGu4duMk0 Nice screw top container : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEoGPITqBQA Couple of questions .. Assuming a Cyclone separator is a good thing . I like the idea of the Toroidal spiral head unit,(and perhaps better performance) but saw the wood cone as a lot of work, and teh segmented creation hours of effort. Then came across on eBay ready made cyclone units for you to fit to your own vac & collecting drum: http://tinyurl.com/ju2kwrp £16 incl clips & couplers or no toroidal simple side entry units: http://tinyurl.com/z6zawof at around £13 cyclone only Anybody used either of these, be interested how they perform they are not huge items The former is ~13 and the latter around 15 they are smooth should give good air flow and cyclonic action compared to a rough or vertical drum unit. 2 associated questions .. Would be nice to sit to a screw top sturdy plastic collecting drum the US guys seem to have easy access to these in Home Depot etc., can you get these in UK . I did try googling but only found food grade items at £70 I would need to make up a 2 flexible hose to attach between cyclone input and whatever power tool being used anybody know if you can buy flexible corrugated/reinforced hoses and push fit rubber couplers to make up custom hose length ? |
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On 11/14/2016 12:15 PM, rick wrote:
I have a pretty powerful extract system available in my garage (BEAM whole house vac), but this puts huge volumes of shaving & dust down the pipes . So thought about installing a Cyclone-separator some call them dual bucket separators in my case the BEAM would be the 2nd bucket. I had been looking around at various diy projects on-line for this .. ranging from sheet metal work & leaf blowers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnZcmZRP-nw Pretty rough road cone variants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2leQV0I8w To incredibly detailed woodwork projects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8jGu4duMk0 Nice screw top container : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEoGPITqBQA Couple of questions .. Assuming a Cyclone separator is a good thing . I like the idea of the Toroidal spiral head unit,(and perhaps better performance) but saw the wood cone as a lot of work, and teh segmented creation hours of effort. Then came across on eBay ready made cyclone units for you to fit to your own vac & collecting drum: http://tinyurl.com/ju2kwrp £16 incl clips & couplers or no toroidal simple side entry units: http://tinyurl.com/z6zawof at around £13 cyclone only Anybody used either of these, be interested how they perform they are not huge items The former is ~13 and the latter around 15 they are smooth should give good air flow and cyclonic action compared to a rough or vertical drum unit. 2 associated questions .. Would be nice to sit to a screw top sturdy plastic collecting drum the US guys seem to have easy access to these in Home Depot etc., can you get these in UK . I did try googling but only found food grade items at £70 I would need to make up a 2 flexible hose to attach between cyclone input and whatever power tool being used anybody know if you can buy flexible corrugated/reinforced hoses and push fit rubber couplers to make up custom hose length ? These do 50 mm bore, £29 for five metres. Couplers available from similar sources, but usually rigid plastic. Probably a bit more robust than you want. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-CORR... 3Hi0eV470OVkA You can get a 2 inch hose for the basic Earlex wet & dry workshop vac. |
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On 14/11/2016 12:15, rick wrote:
I have a pretty powerful extract system available in my garage (BEAM whole house vac), but this puts huge volumes of shaving & dust down the pipes . So thought about installing a Cyclone-separator some call them dual bucket separators in my case the BEAM would be the 2nd bucket. I had been looking around at various diy projects on-line for this .. ranging from sheet metal work & leaf blowers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnZcmZRP-nw Pretty rough road cone variants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2leQV0I8w To incredibly detailed woodwork projects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8jGu4duMk0 Nice screw top container : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEoGPITqBQA Couple of questions .. Assuming a Cyclone separator is a good thing . I like the idea of the Toroidal spiral head unit,(and perhaps better performance) but saw the wood cone as a lot of work, and teh segmented creation hours of effort. Then came across on eBay ready made cyclone units for you to fit to your own vac & collecting drum: http://tinyurl.com/ju2kwrp £16 incl clips & couplers or no toroidal simple side entry units: http://tinyurl.com/z6zawof at around £13 cyclone only Anybody used either of these, be interested how they perform they are not huge items The former is ~13 and the latter around 15 they are smooth should give good air flow and cyclonic action compared to a rough or vertical drum unit. 2 associated questions .. Would be nice to sit to a screw top sturdy plastic collecting drum the US guys seem to have easy access to these in Home Depot etc., can you get these in UK . I did try googling but only found food grade items at £70 I would need to make up a 2 flexible hose to attach between cyclone input and whatever power tool being used anybody know if you can buy flexible corrugated/reinforced hoses and push fit rubber couplers to make up custom hose length ? Thanks for posting some interesting links. A while ago I messed around with an adapted Dyson cyclone but it wasn't very successful so now I just use an old un-mod'd Dyson for some machines and a pukka extractor for the planer/thicknesser. One thing I've found is that corrugations make a big difference to airflow, so use smooth-bore pipe wherever possible (and don't forget about static). I've been on the verge of ditching a leaf vac so seeing the guy use one with a cyclone has got me thinking about mating it with a traffic cone, the question would be how to filter the outlet. |
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You can get a 2 inch hose for the basic Earlex wet & dry workshop vac. Maybe buying a premade 2" hose will be cheaper .. I'll look on eBay |
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On 14/11/2016 12:15, rick wrote:
Couple of questions .. Assuming a Cyclone separator is a good thing . I like the idea of the Toroidal spiral head unit,(and perhaps better performance) but saw the wood cone as a lot of work, and teh segmented creation hours of effort. Then came across on eBay ready made cyclone units for you to fit to your own vac & collecting drum: http://tinyurl.com/ju2kwrp £16 incl clips & couplers or no toroidal simple side entry units: http://tinyurl.com/z6zawof at around £13 cyclone only Anybody used either of these, be interested how they perform they are not huge items The former is ~13 and the latter around 15 they are smooth should give good air flow and cyclonic action compared to a rough or vertical drum unit. Not tried those, but have made cyclones in the past. Its easy to build something that will collect 95% of the stuff before it gets to the VAC. Doing one that will capture all the dust including the dangerous fines is much harder. A simple one I made: http://www.internode.co.uk/cyclone/ other made by Andy D: http://codesmiths.com/shed/workshop/...ques/cyclones/ Really effective cyclones needs lots of airflow. If you really want detail, then look at: http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm 2 associated questions .. Would be nice to sit to a screw top sturdy plastic collecting drum the US guys seem to have easy access to these in Home Depot etc., can you get these in UK . I did try googling but only found food grade items at £70 I would need to make up a 2 flexible hose to attach between cyclone input and whatever power tool being used anybody know if you can buy flexible corrugated/reinforced hoses and push fit rubber couplers to make up custom hose length ? http://www.rutlands.co.uk/product+t+dust%20collection -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 15/11/2016 00:40, John Rumm wrote:
http://www.rutlands.co.uk/product+t+dust%20collection I like the idea of a cone and a 2nd 'drum' .... Dyson makes a fortune selling this :-) as if its his original idea. I'll try Rutlands .. need to find a male plug to fit the 38mm Vac inlets fitted to the wall .... (US 1.5" fittings I assume) Years ago I had access to a lathe and nylon rod - would have turned one out easily. |
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On 16/11/2016 10:54, rick wrote:
On 15/11/2016 00:40, John Rumm wrote: http://www.rutlands.co.uk/product+t+dust%20collection I like the idea of a cone and a 2nd 'drum' .... Dyson makes a fortune selling this :-) as if its his original idea. I'll try Rutlands .. need to find a male plug to fit the 38mm Vac inlets fitted to the wall .... (US 1.5" fittings I assume) Years ago I had access to a lathe and nylon rod - would have turned one out easily. Rutlands and Axminster will likely have adaptor fittings. Failing that, ebay. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 16/11/2016 16:27, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/11/2016 10:54, rick wrote: On 15/11/2016 00:40, John Rumm wrote: http://www.rutlands.co.uk/product+t+dust%20collection I like the idea of a cone and a 2nd 'drum' .... Dyson makes a fortune selling this :-) as if its his original idea. I'll try Rutlands .. need to find a male plug to fit the 38mm Vac inlets fitted to the wall .... (US 1.5" fittings I assume) Years ago I had access to a lathe and nylon rod - would have turned one out easily. Rutlands and Axminster will likely have adaptor fittings. Failing that, ebay. found suitable adapter .. looking now for 38mm (1.5") or 50mm hose ...... found sellers but prices are high .... £38 for 6m |
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On Wednesday, 16 November 2016 18:09:20 UTC, rick wrote:
found suitable adapter .. looking now for 38mm (1.5") or 50mm hose ..... found sellers but prices are high .... £38 for 6m You could always make some. NT |
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On Saturday, 19 November 2016 12:52:43 UTC, wrote:
On 19/11/2016 11:50, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 14/11/2016 17:01, wrote: Thanks for posting some interesting links. A while ago I messed around with an adapted Dyson cyclone but it wasn't very successful so now I just use an old un-mod'd Dyson for some machines and a pukka extractor for the planer/thicknesser. One thing I've found is that corrugations make a big difference to airflow, so use smooth-bore pipe wherever possible (and don't forget about static). I've been on the verge of ditching a leaf vac so seeing the guy use one with a cyclone has got me thinking about mating it with a traffic cone, the question would be how to filter the outlet. Surely the purpose of corrugated vacuum pipe is to resist pipe collapse under negative pressure e.g. when you "stick" the head of the cleaner onto an object like the floor etc but it also makes for a thin walled and very flexible pipe as would be required for any moveable suction head. I should have said rigid, smooth-bore ... AKA soil or waste pipe Interestingly, regarding the leaf blower, I have a "blower" pump removed from a spa/whirlool bath that I was thinking would work in conjunction with a workshop cyclone "barrel" but didn't know whether the dynamics of a blower would be the same as a vacuum specific "suction" device or is it simply a matter of use rather than design? It's only paddles moving air (rather than an aerofoil section) so I (naively?) assume that it makes little difference. The chap on YouTube seems to think it works. You can make little vacs with those sort of fans, but performance is grot compared to something designed for the job. NT |
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On 19/11/2016 16:02, wrote:
On Saturday, 19 November 2016 12:52:43 UTC, wrote: On 19/11/2016 11:50, Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: On 14/11/2016 17:01, wrote: Thanks for posting some interesting links. A while ago I messed around with an adapted Dyson cyclone but it wasn't very successful so now I just use an old un-mod'd Dyson for some machines and a pukka extractor for the planer/thicknesser. One thing I've found is that corrugations make a big difference to airflow, so use smooth-bore pipe wherever possible (and don't forget about static). I've been on the verge of ditching a leaf vac so seeing the guy use one with a cyclone has got me thinking about mating it with a traffic cone, the question would be how to filter the outlet. Surely the purpose of corrugated vacuum pipe is to resist pipe collapse under negative pressure e.g. when you "stick" the head of the cleaner onto an object like the floor etc but it also makes for a thin walled and very flexible pipe as would be required for any moveable suction head. I should have said rigid, smooth-bore ... AKA soil or waste pipe Interestingly, regarding the leaf blower, I have a "blower" pump removed from a spa/whirlool bath that I was thinking would work in conjunction with a workshop cyclone "barrel" but didn't know whether the dynamics of a blower would be the same as a vacuum specific "suction" device or is it simply a matter of use rather than design? It's only paddles moving air (rather than an aerofoil section) so I (naively?) assume that it makes little difference. The chap on YouTube seems to think it works. You can make little vacs with those sort of fans, but performance is grot compared to something designed for the job. NT It depends whether you want high vacuum or high volume. My kity chip extractor has paddles and moves quite a high volume of air down the 4" pipe. |
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On 19/11/2016 11:33, rick wrote:
On 16/11/2016 18:40, wrote: On Wednesday, 16 November 2016 18:09:20 UTC, rick wrote: found suitable adapter .. looking now for 38mm (1.5") or 50mm hose ..... found sellers but prices are high .... £38 for 6m You could always make some. Making up hose is not something I want to waste my time on. Not hose, but effective adaptors can be made from some wide bore heatshrink, and sometimes offcuts of other pipes like 34 or 42mm waste pipe. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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