In my garden I have some globe lights, all are fed from a transformer giving
nominally 12v ac from a radio switch I can operate from my pocket. However
the construction of the wiring andlights is quite frankly rubbish, but I do
like globes. I was wondering if any led bulbs capable of operating on such a
system and giving uniform globe illumination was around. Ifrequired I would
even buy holders as this is the problem in the current lights, ie insulation
displacement connections are unreliable.

I I am aware that many forms of rechargeable garden lights exist,but for my
use I'm happy with centralcontrol and bright lights. the plug in wire ended
bulbs are rubbish and of course tungsten and inefficient. My feeling was a
small defused led of some kind in series with a diode so I could share the
ac cycles between lights soto speak.
Brian

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On 09/11/2016 16:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
In my garden I have some globe lights, all are fed from a transformer giving
nominally 12v ac from a radio switch I can operate from my pocket. However
the construction of the wiring andlights is quite frankly rubbish, but I do
like globes. I was wondering if any led bulbs capable of operating on such a
system and giving uniform globe illumination was around. Ifrequired I would
even buy holders as this is the problem in the current lights, ie insulation
displacement connections are unreliable.

I I am aware that many forms of rechargeable garden lights exist,but for my
use I'm happy with centralcontrol and bright lights. the plug in wire ended
bulbs are rubbish and of course tungsten and inefficient. My feeling was a
small defused led of some kind in series with a diode so I could share the
ac cycles between lights soto speak.

Something like this might well do the job.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Liqoo-10pcs...dp/B00ZTZ8ZV2/

There are cheaper ones too but not quite so nice.

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Spotlights sounds like one direction though. I'm looking at something where
the large ish globe is all evenly illuminated. My light perception is what
I'm after using having no focus any more spots would vanish if viewed from
other directions.
Brian

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On 09/11/2016 16:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
In my garden I have some globe lights, all are fed from a transformer
giving
nominally 12v ac from a radio switch I can operate from my pocket.
However
the construction of the wiring andlights is quite frankly rubbish, but I
do
like globes. I was wondering if any led bulbs capable of operating on
such a
system and giving uniform globe illumination was around. Ifrequired I
would
even buy holders as this is the problem in the current lights, ie
insulation
displacement connections are unreliable.

I I am aware that many forms of rechargeable garden lights exist,but for
my
use I'm happy with centralcontrol and bright lights. the plug in wire
ended
bulbs are rubbish and of course tungsten and inefficient. My feeling was
a
small defused led of some kind in series with a diode so I could share
the
ac cycles between lights soto speak.

Something like this might well do the job.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Liqoo-10pcs...dp/B00ZTZ8ZV2/

There are cheaper ones too but not quite so nice.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On Thursday, 10 November 2016 08:22:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
Spotlights sounds like one direction though. I'm looking at something where
the large ish globe is all evenly illuminated.

I have bought 4 of these for the garage - they're brilliant.

http://ebay.eu/2fFcPMo

On 10/11/2016 08:22, Brian Gaff wrote:

Spotlights sounds like one direction though. I'm looking at something where
the large ish globe is all evenly illuminated. My light perception is what
I'm after using having no focus any more spots would vanish if viewed from
other directions.
Brian

Its a "spotlight" with a beam width of 270 degrees. Basically intended
as a functional equivalent of a bare 12v quartz halogen bulb.

I haven't used the new ones but something similar and they are pretty
bright compact light sources. The only criticism might be that they are
too point source like and a bit dazzling when in line of sight.

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Brian Gaff wrote:
Spotlights sounds like one direction though. I'm looking at something
where the large ish globe is all evenly illuminated. My light perception
is what I'm after using having no focus any more spots would vanish if
viewed from other directions.

LEDs as such do tend to be approaching a point source and directional. The
'lens' on them may modify this.

To get a large even globe, you'd need a lot of them and a diffusing outer.

I've not seen any that look just like opaque globe tungsten - they tend to
have more of a hot spot. Tungsten of that type likely have a very long
filament which is why they are more delicate than GLS.

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On 10/11/2016 10:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've not seen any that look just like opaque globe tungsten

Is an opaque one an energy saving bulb as you don't need a filament or
is 100% inefficient as it just gets hot?

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:22:15 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Spotlights sounds like one direction though. I'm looking at something where
the large ish globe is all evenly illuminated. My light perception is what
I'm after using having no focus any more spots would vanish if viewed from
other directions.

Use 12V LED lights meant as replacements for car side lights. For
example

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10PC...8-bae29f118b29

These have near enough all round illumination. If you need to remove
all light point sources simply put a tube of translucent material such
as tracing paper over them.

You might need to get someone to do minor surgery to connect to the
base wires but that doesn't seem to be too difficult. Run them all
off a suitable 12VDC supply (such as a surplus computer power supply).

On Thursday, 10 November 2016 10:33:32 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


I've not seen any that look just like opaque globe tungsten - they tend to
have more of a hot spot. Tungsten of that type likely have a very long
filament which is why they are more delicate than GLS.

These

http://ebay.eu/2fFcPMo

In action he

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwMxLg0W8AIBpZf.jpg

On 10/11/2016 10:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Spotlights sounds like one direction though. I'm looking at something
where the large ish globe is all evenly illuminated. My light perception
is what I'm after using having no focus any more spots would vanish if
viewed from other directions.

LEDs as such do tend to be approaching a point source and directional. The
'lens' on them may modify this.

To get a large even globe, you'd need a lot of them and a diffusing outer.

I've not seen any that look just like opaque globe tungsten - they tend to
have more of a hot spot. Tungsten of that type likely have a very long
filament which is why they are more delicate than GLS.

You can get them in globes. Although TBH I prefer the cheaper corn on
the cob types if I want something approximating omnidirectional.

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Martin Brown

On Thursday, 10 November 2016 12:00:46 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:


You can get them in globes. Although TBH I prefer the cheaper corn on
the cob types if I want something approximating omnidirectional.


I nearly got killed while 20 foot up a ladder screwing in a corncob.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/som...ethal.1862196/

On 10/11/2016 12:30, Simon Mason wrote:
On Thursday, 10 November 2016 12:00:46 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:


You can get them in globes. Although TBH I prefer the cheaper corn on
the cob types if I want something approximating omnidirectional.

I nearly got killed while 20 foot up a ladder screwing in a corncob.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/som...ethal.1862196/

All the ones I have are safely encased in a plastic envelope.

I have seen spotlight versions with bare wire connections in a holiday
cottage that we hired. I don't think it is a good idea but as Edison
used to say DC doesn't normally kill you (unless you fall off a ladder).

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Martin Brown wrote:
I've not seen any that look just like opaque globe tungsten - they tend to
have more of a hot spot. Tungsten of that type likely have a very long
filament which is why they are more delicate than GLS.

You can get them in globes. Although TBH I prefer the cheaper corn on
the cob types if I want something approximating omnidirectional.

I have a large globe tungsten in the light above a table. Used because it
looks pretty. Very evenly lit approx 6" sphere. I'd like a dimmable LED to
do the same job. But must look as good on and off.

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On Thursday, 10 November 2016 12:00:46 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:


You can get them in globes. Although TBH I prefer the cheaper corn on
the cob types if I want something approximating omnidirectional.


I nearly got killed while 20 foot up a ladder screwing in a corncob.

Even without electrical training surely common sense should have suggested to
you that it's always advisable to switch off the light before changing a bulb ?

The point being, that if there's already sufficient light for you to climb the ladder
and fit the bulb then there should be sufficient light for you to climb down again
without the switch having been left to on.

Also given your propensity for jumping off of bridges there would also be
less temptation for you to stick your fingers in the live light socket.

On Thursday, 10 November 2016 15:07:51 UTC, Moron Watch wrote:


I nearly got killed while 20 foot up a ladder screwing in a corncob.

Even without electrical training surely common sense should have suggested to
you that it's always advisable to switch off the light before changing a bulb ?

I was at the top of a ladder fitting a security light to my garage's loft roof and did not want to have to come all the way down to test it by switching it on at ground level.

Since I had never got an electric shock from a lamp and an LED was not going to get hot enough, it was safe enough a procedure, however, I hadn't reckoned with those naughty Chinese people.

In the end, I did a proper job and fitted this instead.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6UIR7WIAE2xGX.jpg

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:34:38 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

In the end, I did a proper job and fitted this instead.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6UIR7WIAE2xGX.jpg

A number of things that might be, proper is not one of them. Only the
terminally antisocial and selfish mount floodlights pointing
horizontally rather than vertically.

In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:34:38 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

In the end, I did a proper job and fitted this instead.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6UIR7WIAE2xGX.jpg

A number of things that might be, proper is not one of them. Only the
terminally antisocial and selfish mount floodlights pointing
horizontally rather than vertically.

Odd, isn't it? Perhaps they look brighter that way. What they actually
light up doesn't matter.

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:34:38 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

In the end, I did a proper job and fitted this instead.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6UIR7WIAE2xGX.jpg

A number of things that might be, proper is not one of them. Only the
terminally antisocial and selfish mount floodlights pointing
horizontally rather than vertically.

Odd, isn't it? Perhaps they look brighter that way. What they actually
light up doesn't matter.

In unrequested defence... the mounting brackets supplied and the PIR
position make life rather difficult.


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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:46:46 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote:


In unrequested defence... the mounting brackets supplied and the PIR
position make life rather difficult.

That is always a problem when bodging things. Either a separate PIR
should have been used or a bit of surgery done on the cheap combined
unit to allow both the light and PIR to be oriented correctly.
Flooding the sky and neighbours with light from an ineptly mounted
floodlight is antisocial and selfish. "I bought the wrong light"
isn't an acceptable excuse. Fortunately in this case the sealing strip
appear to have been fitted incorrectly so it should stop working soon.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:00:43 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

On 10/11/2016 10:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Spotlights sounds like one direction though. I'm looking at something
where the large ish globe is all evenly illuminated. My light perception
is what I'm after using having no focus any more spots would vanish if
viewed from other directions.

LEDs as such do tend to be approaching a point source and directional. The
'lens' on them may modify this.

To get a large even globe, you'd need a lot of them and a diffusing outer.

I've not seen any that look just like opaque globe tungsten - they tend to
have more of a hot spot. Tungsten of that type likely have a very long
filament which is why they are more delicate than GLS.

You can get them in globes. Although TBH I prefer the cheaper corn on
the cob types if I want something approximating omnidirectional.

Careful! 'Corn' looks like a corn-cob; 'COB' means chip on board (not the
same as SMD) and some narrow-angle GU10s are COB: one chib, er, on a board
(FSVOB).
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Peter.
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whilst religions hold sway

On Thursday, 10 November 2016 16:47:59 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:34:38 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

In the end, I did a proper job and fitted this instead.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6UIR7WIAE2xGX.jpg

A number of things that might be, proper is not one of them. Only the
terminally antisocial and selfish mount floodlights pointing
horizontally rather than vertically.

Odd, isn't it? Perhaps they look brighter that way. What they actually
light up doesn't matter.

As you can see, the next door bloke has a high enough fence to block out my lights.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6_UjeXgAAncVh.jpg

Our lass reversing into the street is another matter however and he may get a flash of those headlamps in his living room, but if it had have been me, I'd have driven out forrads as per HC.

Simon Mason wrote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6_UjeXgAAncVh.jpg

Better hope for not much snow

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
Odd, isn't it? Perhaps they look brighter that way. What they actually
light up doesn't matter.

In unrequested defence... the mounting brackets supplied and the PIR
position make life rather difficult.


True - I noticed that with the LED floods I bought from Lidl. And with the
one at the side of the house, particularly wanted it tilted down so it
didn't shine into next door's window. But I didn't need the PIR part so
removed it.

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On Thursday, 10 November 2016 18:53:53 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw6_UjeXgAAncVh.jpg

Better hope for not much snow

The carport was tested by two feet of snow in Jan 2010 and passed with flying colours, unlike the car which was impossible to move.