On 08/11/2016 08:39, Tim Streater wrote:

House prices are another, related, issue.

And why d'ye think house prices might have gone up to the extent they
have?

It's simple supply and demand. The demand side has shot up due to the
population increase, 60% of which is due to recent immigration. Much of
the rest is due to second,third, and fourth generations of immigrants,
who have a higher birthrate than the indigenous population.

Bill

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
On 08/11/2016 08:09, RJH wrote:
On 07/11/2016 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now Dispatches
are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's partly due
to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why the
population has increased.


It's not population increase - in the main the physical shortage is due
to household composition (more smaller households) and empty properties.

So the programme was wrong?

If the problem is that more people live alone why isn't there a price
premium on small flats?

There is round here.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Monday, 7 November 2016 20:28:30 UTC, JoeJoe wrote:
On 07/11/2016 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

Bill

I sometime wonder if people voted for Brexit because of the BBC stance
on the subject.

An opinion formed from watching TV is an opinion not worth the TV tax demands they send me for a rather bad kind of bum-fodder

On 08/11/2016 11:55, pamela wrote:
On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.

I like you Pamela. You are a good right-thinking girl. We could get on
like a house on fire. I am as attracted to your mind as I am to your
body (as it appears in my dreams).

Bill

On 07/11/2016 22:51, wrote:
On Monday, 7 November 2016 20:07:00 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

Is it because people are having more children because what's on the telly is so crap of an evening?

I don't see a shortage around here, they have built hundreds of new
homes and are still building them. It takes a while for them to sell too.

The schools around here have a big building program running too.
As are the hospitals.

Brian Gaff wrote

I also found the bbc program on why the trains are bad lacking in any
details as well. they presented the facts as they saw them, and the fact
that gov and companies blame each other, but then suggested
nationalisation might be a way to go, but never really produced any
convincing evidence of how this was supposed to solve things.To me the
obvious answer is to rewrite the contracts so all the companies colaborate
and don't work against each other might be one way.

Not even possible to have that in the contracts in a way that will see that
happen IMO.

However I got the distinct oppinion that somebody had got at the original
thrust of what was going to be suggested for some reason.

More likely that they just arent much good at producing docos.

Too many half baked tell us what we already know documentaries around,

Sure, but that is with us that understand quite a bit of the basics.

Its not clear how much educating of the average person
veging out in front of the TV is going on with them. Not
even clear how many of those even bother with docos at all.

just to fill schedule space.

On the whole IMO the BBC docos are about the best around.

Of course the reason for population growth is well known.

Yep, those unspeakable immigrants have more brats.

Back some years ago our birth rate was falling below the level at which
the tax paying public could support those who were getting pensions and
who needed healthcare with age,

That's true of the entire modern first world and much of the second world
too. NOT ONE is ever self replacing if you take out immigration now.

so the bright sparks came up with opening up the doors to immigration as
it is well known that in countries with poor records on infant deaths that
they have more babies for at least two generations.

It didn’t happen like that. In fact Britain opened the doors to immigrants
right after the war had ended and has in fact made it much harder for all
except EU citizens to move to Britain now that it was then.

And it isnt at least two generations either. Yes, those who migrated
to tend to have more brats than average but their kids hardly ever do.

The big snag of course is that this also then means you need more schools
houses and almost everything else,

Yep.

soaking up the money.

Nope, its one of the reasons Britain is doing much
better than it was in say the 50s economically.

Governments never do see or even consider the whole picture when they do
things.

Quite often they do and its very arguable that allowing all
those immigrants in was bad for Britain as a whole. Same
with the countrys that take a MUCH greater percentage of
immigrants that Britain does, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc.

It isnt even clear that the US is worse off now than it would have
been if it had just shut the doors to immigration after the war.

Japan essentially did that and still did pretty well until China got
its act into gear and decided that capitalism was the way to go.

They think of their budgets only.

The choice to allow higher levels of immigration wasn’t a budget
decision. It was a recognition that there weren't enough of the locals
prepared to do the worst jobs and that immigrants would be happy
to do them because their circumstances were so much worse.

It has nothing to do with racial descrimination or ethnic issues, its to
do with idiots in government.

Its far from clear that it was an idiotic decision.

Or that when Britain chose to join the EEC, that anyone realised
that it would eventually morph into the EU which would decide
that the completely free movement of people within the EU was
a very fundamental principle that it wanted to have. Or even that
much thought was given to that when Britain chose to sign the
Treaty of Lisbon etc either. Or even that many realised that
Britain could end up doing so well economically that lots
from the dregs of the EU would decide that their prospects
were much better in Britain than where they come from.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

Bill

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 12:33:00 UTC, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 12:18, Moron Watch wrote:
"TimW" wrote in message ...
On 08/11/16 07:45, harry wrote:


It's you that's the brain dead liar.
As usual.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/population

I don't read links you post Harry because I have learned that you don't read them
yourself.

Let me tell you again. You have totally failed and refused to assimilate yourself to
British Culture. You don't accept the core values of tolerance, openess, equality, love
of justice and respect for others. So by your own standards you really need to leave
and live somewhere else. There is no place for you in the UK. They won't want you in
France but you could start by moving into a tent at Ramsgate and trying to hitch a lift
on a lorry.



But if you insist on making tolerance a core value of British Culture, and you claim to
encompass those values yourself, then you have no choice but to tolerate Harry and
his opinions.

Either you're tolerant or you're not. You can't pick and choose to tolerate only those
things which don't offend your own sensibilities too much.

Suggesting people move elsewhere is not very tolerant is it ?

Whereas if Harry hasn't claimed to be tolerant in the first place, then he would seem
to have carte blanche in such matters.

BTW the core value stuff is nonsense. It was all dreamed up so at to assuage the
guilt of the plantation and mill owning classes. The ordinary working classes
whether on plantations or in Cotton Mills never got a look in. And they still
haven't.


It's all about 'Cultural Norms'. The Turnip just told me. Harry doesn't
share our 'Cultural Norms', it's nothing to do with his skin colour, if
he doesn't behave like a decent Englishman I can complain about him
being in my country. I am not a racist.

TW

You are a brain dead idiot with your head up your arse.
And a liar with your invented statistics.

Islam is here to destroy us.
Then where will your "core values" be?

TimW wrote
harry wrote

It's you that's the brain dead liar.
As usual.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/population

I don't read links you post Harry because I have
learned that you don't read them yourself.

Let me tell you again. You have totally failed and refused to
assimilate yourself to British Culture. You don't accept the core
values of tolerance, openess, equality, love of justice and respect
for others. So by your own standards you really need to leave
and live somewhere else. There is no place for you in the UK.

How stunningly tolerant.

They won't want you in France but you could start by moving
into a tent at Ramsgate and trying to hitch a lift on a lorry.

Bye.

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 09:45:12 UTC, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 01:19, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/16 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

Bill

So you want to hear that it's all about immigration, even though that
would be a lie. Farage or the Mail will tell you that, and plenty of
other lies too. Stick with them in future.


well it is all about immigration. the ones having kids are first
generation (Asian) immigrants by and large.

This is not xenophopbia, its actually a fact.



You say it's people who were born here having too many children? Nothing
to do with immigration then, more a question of skin colour. Is that
what troubles you?
TW

What is troubling is they are not English.
They actively refuse to integrate.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW
wrote:

You won't know these things about me: I am white. I have five children.

Too many. As I was posting the other day, people should be looking to
reduce the population.

Sadly, too late with some.

--
*WHY IS IT CALLED TOURIST SEASON IF WE CAN'T SHOOT AT THEM?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 10:05:59 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 09:45, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 01:19, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/16 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

Bill

So you want to hear that it's all about immigration, even though that
would be a lie. Farage or the Mail will tell you that, and plenty of
other lies too. Stick with them in future.


well it is all about immigration. the ones having kids are first
generation (Asian) immigrants by and large.

This is not xenophopbia, its actually a fact.



You say it's people who were born here having too many children? Nothing
to do with immigration then, more a question of skin colour. Is that
what troubles you?

You are letting your racism show.

Nothing to do with skin colour, everything to do with imported cultural
norms.


http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...-uk-born-women

Or do you think the Office for national statistics is a rabid swivel
eyed spittle flecked den of xenophobes?

What an immigration denier you are, to be sure.



He doesn't like statistics that disproved his rabid ideas.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
So, a left-wing version of Trump - in that if he gets in it will be a
"people's revolt' a bit like Varoufakis and Tsipras were. Lets hope its
not Trump as the world can't afford his ****-ups.

But St Nige loves him. Surely he is right in all things?

--
*WOULD A FLY WITHOUT WINGS BE CALLED A WALK?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

O

You won't know these things about me: I am white. I have five children.
As it happens my Dad was born in India, my Granny in Jamaica. If you
want to share with me your opinion about my use of contraception I will
tell you to go and take a running jump and you won't even be surprised.
It's none of your business and you know it.

For some reason though, you think it's okay to pontificate about
brown-skinned people who do exactly the same as me. That is because you
are a racist. You don't think you are, but you have just proved beyond
any doubt that you are. You won't accept it because you can't see what
is clear as day. You are confused, deluded and stupid.

TW

That'll be why you are so thick then.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , pamela
wrote:

Sounds like Turnip's been listening to the Reith lectures where an
afro-philosopher has been advising us all about cultural values.

This morning's was interesting up to a point. He reminded us that back
in the day, Moslems, Jews, and Christians co-existed and exchanged
knowledge in Spain, most of which I knew anyway. But I didn't hear him
give a steer on what to do about radical Islam - although I may have
missed that.

Think we all know what to do about 'radical' anything, religion wise.

--
*Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 14:36:34 UTC, JoeJoe wrote:
On 08/11/2016 12:12, Martin wrote:
Greece's problems are that German banks lent Greece billions to
spend on German imports encouraged by the German government. Greece can't repay
the loans.

Well, Greece's problem is that people in Greece, in particular the self
employed and the middle classes are tax avoiders (upper classes don't
pay tax anywhere...). See
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2109500 for example.

Greece's problem is the Euro.
Also being idle socialists,the thought they could scrounge a free living off the EUSSR.

In article m,
dennis@home wrote:
On 07/11/2016 22:51, wrote:
On Monday, 7 November 2016 20:07:00 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't
say why the population has increased.

Is it because people are having more children because what's on the
telly is so crap of an evening?

I don't see a shortage around here, they have built hundreds of new
homes and are still building them. It takes a while for them to sell too.

Aberdeen is awash with new housing. And older not selling well too. Of
course mainly 'executive' stuff. Not the first time buyer properties so
needed everywhere. Not enough profit in those.

The schools around here have a big building program running too.
As are the hospitals.

Oddly, we need workers to both pay for these and build them.

But some here just want enough to look after them in an old folk's home.

--
*I took an IQ test and the results were negative.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message
...
pamela wrote:
On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.

I've been quite surprised at some of Mason's outpourings now that he feels
able to speak his mind. I've read a few of Yanis's blog things, and been
surprised how sensible he seems when he's not making news.

Typical lefty**** tho when it came to the crunch. And nothing sensible
about his hare brained scheme to start printing new drachmas either.

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:55:17 GMT, pamela wrote:

On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost. \

You forgot "British educated and qualified economist" Varoufakis.
My dentist is related to him, a cousin or aunt?? Varoufakis has
recently told Brexit negotiators to expect the same treatment
from the EU hierarchy as he got. I expect worse.

Not possible to get worse because Britain has **** all to lose.

Greece's problems are that German banks lent Greece billions to
spend on German imports encouraged by the German government.

It is in fact much more complicated than that.

Greece can't repay the loans.

Because they don't come even close to raising in taxes what they spend.
That's why they stupidly borrowed so much from the German banks and
****ed it all against the wall on stupidly generous pensions etc.

"TimW" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 12:18, Moron Watch wrote:
"TimW" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 07:45, harry wrote:


It's you that's the brain dead liar.
As usual.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/population

I don't read links you post Harry because I have learned that you don't
read them
yourself.

Let me tell you again. You have totally failed and refused to assimilate
yourself to
British Culture. You don't accept the core values of tolerance, openess,
equality, love
of justice and respect for others. So by your own standards you really
need to leave
and live somewhere else. There is no place for you in the UK. They won't
want you in
France but you could start by moving into a tent at Ramsgate and trying
to hitch a lift
on a lorry.



But if you insist on making tolerance a core value of British Culture,
and you claim to
encompass those values yourself, then you have no choice but to tolerate
Harry and
his opinions.

Either you're tolerant or you're not. You can't pick and choose to
tolerate only those
things which don't offend your own sensibilities too much.

Suggesting people move elsewhere is not very tolerant is it ?

Whereas if Harry hasn't claimed to be tolerant in the first place, then
he would seem
to have carte blanche in such matters.

BTW the core value stuff is nonsense. It was all dreamed up so at to
assuage the
guilt of the plantation and mill owning classes. The ordinary working
classes
whether on plantations or in Cotton Mills never got a look in. And they
still
haven't.

It's all about 'Cultural Norms'.

No such animal.

The Turnip just told me. Harry doesn't share our 'Cultural Norms',

Again, no such animal.

it's nothing to do with his skin colour,

Bet it has a lot to do with his skin color.

if he doesn't behave like a decent Englishman

No such animal.

I can complain about him being in my country. I am not a racist.

You are in fact just as INTOLERANT as he is.

"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 12:12 8 Nov 2016, Martin wrote:

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:55:17 GMT, pamela
wrote:

On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention
that it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but
they don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel
4 News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very
left leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.

You forgot "British educated and qualified economist"
Varoufakis. My dentist is related to him, a cousin or aunt??
Varoufakis has recently told Brexit negotiators to expect the
same treatment from the EU hierarchy as he got. I expect worse.
Greece's problems are that German banks lent Greece billions to
spend on German imports encouraged by the German government.
Greece can't repay the loans.

It's true that the EU played its part in letting Greece get into a
financial pickle.

However it was that wonderful duo, Varoufakis and Tsipras, who
misread their hand and felt Greece was too big to fail. They
played their hand accordingly, with devious twists and turns,
until they ran out of options and lost what little goodwill the EU
had towards them. Plucky little Greece got a bloody nose and is
still recovering.

Its far from clear that it will recover given what was imposed.

Let's hope self-confident Britain doesn't
also misread the EU in the negotiations.

Doesn’t matter if it does, its free to trade under the WTO rules.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 12:46, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 10:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 09:45, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 01:19, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/16 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say
why
the population has increased.

Bill

So you want to hear that it's all about immigration, even though that
would be a lie. Farage or the Mail will tell you that, and plenty of
other lies too. Stick with them in future.


well it is all about immigration. the ones having kids are first
generation (Asian) immigrants by and large.

This is not xenophopbia, its actually a fact.



You say it's people who were born here having too many children?
Nothing
to do with immigration then, more a question of skin colour. Is that
what troubles you?

You are letting your racism show.

Nothing to do with skin colour, everything to do with imported cultural
norms.


http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...-uk-born-women



Or do you think the Office for national statistics is a rabid swivel
eyed spittle flecked den of xenophobes?

What an immigration denier you are, to be sure.



You won't know these things about me: I am white. I have five children.
As it happens my Dad was born in India, my Granny in Jamaica.

Well then you are exactly the point. first generation immigrant with far
too many children.

You missed the bit where he said he was white. The granny and
the dad were actually the spawn of colonial jackbooters, stupid.

If you
want to share with me your opinion about my use of contraception I will
tell you to go and take a running jump and you won't even be surprised.
It's none of your business and you know it.


Nm but it is societies, as those 5 children will have received infinitely
more benefit than I ever have, and will need housing...

So we can take it that you are a social parasite then?


For some reason though, you think it's okay to pontificate about
brown-skinned people who do exactly the same as me.

Who said anything about 'brown skinned'

You say you are white whatever that means, and your dad was born in india.
It's you who sees race everywhere.

That is because you
are a racist. You don't think you are, but you have just proved beyond
any doubt that you are. You won't accept it because you can't see what
is clear as day. You are confused, deluded and stupid.

That is because you are a racist. You don't think you are, but you have
just proved beyond any doubt that you are. You won't accept it because
you can't see what is clear as day. You are confused, deluded and stupid.

Well thanks for a clear admission on your part that you are a racist, as
'I am white' is the sort of statement only a racist CAN make.

I pointed you at facts. Facts about *immigration* not about 'race' You
don't like the facts. So you call me a racist for pointing them out.


Sad.

TW


--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 12:20:53 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:55:17 GMT, pamela wrote:

On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost. \

You forgot "British educated and qualified economist" Varoufakis. My
dentist is
related to him, a cousin or aunt?? Varoufakis has recently told Brexit
negotiators to expect the same treatment from the EU hierarchy as he
got. I
expect worse. Greece's problems are that German banks lent Greece
billions to
spend on German imports encouraged by the German government. Greece
can't repay
the loans.


You might enjoy this if you have a spare hour or so.

https://varoufakis.files.wordpress.c...ne-paradox.pdf


I did enjoy the article. Thanks. So who is really wacko?

Varoufakis. Typical lefty****.

On 08/11/16 18:05, Jack Johnson wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 12:46, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 10:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 09:45, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 01:19, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/16 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say
why
the population has increased.

Bill

So you want to hear that it's all about immigration, even though
that
would be a lie. Farage or the Mail will tell you that, and plenty of
other lies too. Stick with them in future.


well it is all about immigration. the ones having kids are first
generation (Asian) immigrants by and large.

This is not xenophopbia, its actually a fact.



You say it's people who were born here having too many children?
Nothing
to do with immigration then, more a question of skin colour. Is that
what troubles you?

You are letting your racism show.

Nothing to do with skin colour, everything to do with imported cultural
norms.


http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...-uk-born-women




Or do you think the Office for national statistics is a rabid swivel
eyed spittle flecked den of xenophobes?

What an immigration denier you are, to be sure.



You won't know these things about me: I am white. I have five children.
As it happens my Dad was born in India, my Granny in Jamaica.

Well then you are exactly the point. first generation immigrant with
far too many children.

You missed the bit where he said he was white. The granny and
the dad were actually the spawn of colonial jackbooters, stupid.

You missed the bit where the office of national statistics doesn't say
anything about race or skin colour, merely about whether
parents/grandparents were born abroad. I.e. are 'immigrants'

Stupid

Its becoming increasingly clear that to lefty****s, an 'immigrant' is
more than someone who comes here to live from 'abroad'. They are also a
racial and ethnically distinct group with 'colored skins' (check the
inherent racism in that way of looking) with presumably special needs
etc etc and carrying a huge victim status that lefty****s can wank over
in moral indignation as they virtue signal how tolerant they are to
everyone except those who by dint of being born here, actually have a
right to reside.

The blatant racism and bigotry of the left is displayed in the inherent
sense of guilt they have over anyone whom they in their racist way
perceive as a different 'race' to them.

I don't give a toss about race or ethnicity. Frankly what counts is
culture character and intelligence, and probably my two best friends are
as it happens, immigrants both.

I never see skin color or where they come from, just who they are.

Lefty****s are lefty****s irrespective of race religion skin color or
ethnicity.

As are immigrants.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , pamela
wrote:

Sounds like Turnip's been listening to the Reith lectures where an
afro-philosopher has been advising us all about cultural values.

This morning's was interesting up to a point. He reminded us that back
in the day, Moslems, Jews, and Christians co-existed and exchanged
knowledge in Spain, most of which I knew anyway. But I didn't hear him
give a steer on what to do about radical Islam

And he fudged what happened with radical christianity, with the inquisition
etc.

- although I may have missed that.

Nope, you didnt.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/2016 08:09, RJH wrote:
On 07/11/2016 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.


It's not population increase - in the main the physical shortage is due
to household composition (more smaller households) and empty properties.

So the programme was wrong?

If the problem is that more people live alone why isn't there a price
premium on small flats?

Because they dont all want to live in small flats. Lefty**** Dave and Dave
the sot both dont.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/2016 11:55, pamela wrote:
On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.

I like you Pamela. You are a good right-thinking girl. We could get on
like a house on fire. I am as attracted to your mind as I am to your body
(as it appears in my dreams).

I can hear her retching from here.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 12:33:00 UTC, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 12:18, Moron Watch wrote:
"TimW" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 07:45, harry wrote:


It's you that's the brain dead liar.
As usual.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/population

I don't read links you post Harry because I have learned that you
don't read them
yourself.

Let me tell you again. You have totally failed and refused to
assimilate yourself to
British Culture. You don't accept the core values of tolerance,
openess, equality, love
of justice and respect for others. So by your own standards you
really need to leave
and live somewhere else. There is no place for you in the UK. They
won't want you in
France but you could start by moving into a tent at Ramsgate and
trying to hitch a lift
on a lorry.



But if you insist on making tolerance a core value of British Culture,
and you claim to
encompass those values yourself, then you have no choice but to
tolerate Harry and
his opinions.

Either you're tolerant or you're not. You can't pick and choose to
tolerate only those
things which don't offend your own sensibilities too much.

Suggesting people move elsewhere is not very tolerant is it ?

Whereas if Harry hasn't claimed to be tolerant in the first place, then
he would seem
to have carte blanche in such matters.

BTW the core value stuff is nonsense. It was all dreamed up so at to
assuage the
guilt of the plantation and mill owning classes. The ordinary working
classes
whether on plantations or in Cotton Mills never got a look in. And they
still
haven't.


It's all about 'Cultural Norms'. The Turnip just told me. Harry doesn't
share our 'Cultural Norms', it's nothing to do with his skin colour, if
he doesn't behave like a decent Englishman I can complain about him
being in my country. I am not a racist.

TW

You are a brain dead idiot with your head up your arse.
And a liar with your invented statistics.

Islam is here to destroy us.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Then where will your "core values" be?

Same place they are now given that islam wont
destroy us even if they wanted to, and they dont.

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 01:02:10 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's impossible for any human to be anything but one sided about Trump.

What genus or species are us ambivalents

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 09:45:12 UTC, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 01:19, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/16 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say
why
the population has increased.

Bill

So you want to hear that it's all about immigration, even though that
would be a lie. Farage or the Mail will tell you that, and plenty of
other lies too. Stick with them in future.


well it is all about immigration. the ones having kids are first
generation (Asian) immigrants by and large.

This is not xenophopbia, its actually a fact.



You say it's people who were born here having too many children? Nothing
to do with immigration then, more a question of skin colour. Is that
what troubles you?
TW

What is troubling is they are not English.
They actively refuse to integrate.

Must be why that one ended up running london. Some refusal.

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 09:08:28 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
I also found the bbc program on why the trains are bad lacking in any
details as well. they presented the facts as they saw them, and the fact
that gov and companies blame each other, but then suggested nationalisation
might be a way to go, but never really produced any convincing evidence of
how this was supposed to solve things.To me the obvious answer is to rewrite
the contracts so all the companies colaborate and don't work against each
other might be one way. However I got the distinct oppinion that somebody
had got at the original thrust of what was going to be suggested for some
reason.

Too many half baked tell us what we already know documentaries around, just
to fill schedule space.
Of course the reason for populationgrowth is well known.
Back some years ago our birth rate was falling below the level at which the
tax paying public could support those who were getting pensions and who
needed healthcare with age, so the bright sparks came up with opening up the
doors to immigration as it is well known that in countries with poor
records on infant deaths that they have more babies for at least two
generations . The big snag of course is that this also then means you need
more schools houses and almost everything else, soaking up the money.
Governments never do see or even consider the whole picture when they do
things. They think of their budgets only. It has nothing to do with racial
descrimination or ethnic issues, its to do with idiots in government.
Brian

--
----- -
This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
The Sofa of Brian Gaff...

The problem is that someone on the BBC has been informed he will only keep his job if they are not controversial. There was time when the BBC was comparatively free of that. Or am I miss remembering?

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 12:19:00 UTC, Moron Watch wrote:
"TimW" wrote in message ...
On 08/11/16 07:45, harry wrote:


It's you that's the brain dead liar.
As usual.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/population

I don't read links you post Harry because I have learned that you don't read them
yourself.

Let me tell you again. You have totally failed and refused to assimilate yourself to
British Culture. You don't accept the core values of tolerance, openess, equality, love
of justice and respect for others. So by your own standards you really need to leave
and live somewhere else. There is no place for you in the UK. They won't want you in
France but you could start by moving into a tent at Ramsgate and trying to hitch a lift
on a lorry.



But if you insist on making tolerance a core value of British Culture, and you claim to
encompass those values yourself, then you have no choice but to tolerate Harry and
his opinions.

Either you're tolerant or you're not. You can't pick and choose to tolerate only those
things which don't offend your own sensibilities too much.

Suggesting people move elsewhere is not very tolerant is it ?

Whereas if Harry hasn't claimed to be tolerant in the first place, then he would seem
to have carte blanche in such matters.

BTW the core value stuff is nonsense. It was all dreamed up so at to assuage the
guilt of the plantation and mill owning classes. The ordinary working classes
whether on plantations or in Cotton Mills never got a look in. And they still
haven't.

Before the era of the Internet that was true because politicians could lie with impunity. As long as Wikileaks and it like can remain free then working class or mass franchised can get a chance to make their minds up.

That isn't to say they won't be swayed or that Wikileaks is unbreakable. I have noticed that most online news sites slip into opinion mode virtually straight away.

The only thing that then happens is that you stick to the sites that share your opinion so the Net isn't a cure all.

On 08/11/2016 16:20, Bill Wright wrote:
On 08/11/2016 11:55, pamela wrote:
On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.

I like you Pamela. You are a good right-thinking girl. We could get on
like a house on fire. I am as attracted to your mind as I am to your
body (as it appears in my dreams).

Bill

could well be male.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 18:05, Jack Johnson wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 12:46, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 10:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 09:45, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 01:19, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/16 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention
that
it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say
why
the population has increased.

Bill

So you want to hear that it's all about immigration, even though
that
would be a lie. Farage or the Mail will tell you that, and plenty
of
other lies too. Stick with them in future.


well it is all about immigration. the ones having kids are first
generation (Asian) immigrants by and large.

This is not xenophopbia, its actually a fact.



You say it's people who were born here having too many children?
Nothing
to do with immigration then, more a question of skin colour. Is that
what troubles you?

You are letting your racism show.

Nothing to do with skin colour, everything to do with imported
cultural
norms.


http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...-uk-born-women




Or do you think the Office for national statistics is a rabid swivel
eyed spittle flecked den of xenophobes?

What an immigration denier you are, to be sure.



You won't know these things about me: I am white. I have five children.
As it happens my Dad was born in India, my Granny in Jamaica.

Well then you are exactly the point. first generation immigrant with
far too many children.

You missed the bit where he said he was white. The granny and
the dad were actually the spawn of colonial jackbooters, stupid.

You missed the bit where the office of national statistics doesn't say
anything about race or skin colour, merely about whether
parents/grandparents were born abroad. I.e. are 'immigrants'

Those spawn of colonial jackbooters arent immigrants, stupid.

Its becoming increasingly clear that to lefty****s, an 'immigrant' is more
than someone who comes here to live from 'abroad'. They are also a racial
and ethnically distinct group with 'colored skins' (check the inherent
racism in that way of looking) with presumably special needs etc etc and
carrying a huge victim status that lefty****s can wank over in moral
indignation as they virtue signal how tolerant they are to everyone
except those who by dint of being born here, actually have a right to
reside.

The blatant racism and bigotry of the left is displayed in the inherent
sense of guilt they have over anyone whom they in their racist way
perceive as a different 'race' to them.

I don't give a toss about race or ethnicity. Frankly what counts is
culture character and intelligence, and probably my two best friends are
as it happens, immigrants both.

I never see skin color or where they come from, just who they are.

Lefty****s are lefty****s irrespective of race religion skin color or
ethnicity.

As are immigrants.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns,
why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 08/11/2016 19:41, critcher wrote:
On 08/11/2016 16:20, Bill Wright wrote:
On 08/11/2016 11:55, pamela wrote:
On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.

I like you Pamela. You are a good right-thinking girl. We could get on
like a house on fire. I am as attracted to your mind as I am to your
body (as it appears in my dreams).

Bill

could well be male.

No! I just don't believe that! I suppose you think Dame Edna Everidge is
male as well!

Bill

"critcher" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/2016 16:20, Bill Wright wrote:
On 08/11/2016 11:55, pamela wrote:
On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.

I like you Pamela. You are a good right-thinking girl. We could get on
like a house on fire. I am as attracted to your mind as I am to your
body (as it appears in my dreams).


could well be male.

We've been informed that that is fine with him.

On 08/11/16 19:50, Jack Johnson wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 18:05, Jack Johnson wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/11/16 12:46, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 10:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 09:45, TimW wrote:
On 08/11/16 08:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 01:19, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/16 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention
that
it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't
say
why
the population has increased.

Bill

So you want to hear that it's all about immigration, even though
that
would be a lie. Farage or the Mail will tell you that, and
plenty of
other lies too. Stick with them in future.


well it is all about immigration. the ones having kids are first
generation (Asian) immigrants by and large.

This is not xenophopbia, its actually a fact.



You say it's people who were born here having too many children?
Nothing
to do with immigration then, more a question of skin colour. Is that
what troubles you?

You are letting your racism show.

Nothing to do with skin colour, everything to do with imported
cultural
norms.


http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...-uk-born-women





Or do you think the Office for national statistics is a rabid swivel
eyed spittle flecked den of xenophobes?

What an immigration denier you are, to be sure.



You won't know these things about me: I am white. I have five
children.
As it happens my Dad was born in India, my Granny in Jamaica.

Well then you are exactly the point. first generation immigrant with
far too many children.

You missed the bit where he said he was white. The granny and
the dad were actually the spawn of colonial jackbooters, stupid.

You missed the bit where the office of national statistics doesn't say
anything about race or skin colour, merely about whether
parents/grandparents were born abroad. I.e. are 'immigrants'

Those spawn of colonial jackbooters arent immigrants, stupid.


Of course they are.


Its becoming increasingly clear that to lefty****s, an 'immigrant' is
more than someone who comes here to live from 'abroad'. They are also
a racial and ethnically distinct group with 'colored skins' (check the
inherent racism in that way of looking) with presumably special needs
etc etc and carrying a huge victim status that lefty****s can wank
over in moral indignation as they virtue signal how tolerant they are
to everyone except those who by dint of being born here, actually have
a right to reside.

The blatant racism and bigotry of the left is displayed in the
inherent sense of guilt they have over anyone whom they in their
racist way perceive as a different 'race' to them.

I don't give a toss about race or ethnicity. Frankly what counts is
culture character and intelligence, and probably my two best friends
are as it happens, immigrants both.

I never see skin color or where they come from, just who they are.

Lefty****s are lefty****s irrespective of race religion skin color or
ethnicity.

As are immigrants.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin



--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

On Monday, 7 November 2016 20:07:00 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

Bill

Nothing like as bad as this are they:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJSYvbkiEKw?

In article ,
Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 01:02:10 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's impossible for any human to be anything but one sided about Trump.

What genus or species are us ambivalents

Good point. Is there a species who doesn't keep in touch with current
affairs?

--
*Bigamy is having one wife too many - monogamy is the same

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why the
population has increased.

well you *can* see why they did that

they were making a specific point about how the house builders artificially
increase the price of housing by restricting supply

If they got bogged down in political claims about whether immigration is a
good thing or not, their main point would become a secondary gripe and been
complete missed

tim

On 09/11/16 12:10, tim... wrote:

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't
say why the population has increased.

well you *can* see why they did that

they were making a specific point about how the house builders
artificially increase the price of housing by restricting supply

If they got bogged down in political claims about whether immigration is
a good thing or not, their main point would become a secondary gripe and
been complete missed

IF population was stable we would only be building new houses by tearing
down old ones.

Quite hard to restrict stocks to elevate prices.



tim





--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels