"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:30:56 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Its actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension lead,
feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that into
the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

Good grief!
http://www.swldxer.co.uk/kitchen1.jpg

What are you moaning about now?

All that stuff on the bench top, not put away in the drawers, stupid.

That black cat is clearly the reason he jumped.

On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

On 26/10/2016 19:05, Handsome Jack wrote:

Moulded ones will be cheaper and easier for the manufacturer to deal
with, so seem to be the obvious choice.

But less cheap and easy for the consumer to deal with.

Generally, cheaper for the consumer to deal with, because most people
won't need to take the plug off. As far as I'm concerned if your
personal wiring setup requires you to remove the plug, that's your
problem and you can take the responsibility and cost for making it work.

There's no point in the manufacturer complicating their process and
making the product more expensive just to cover a tiny number of edge cages.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:23:10 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:30:56 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Its actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2
core through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs
though so had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire
that into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than
others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

Good grief!
http://www.swldxer.co.uk/kitchen1.jpg

What are you moaning about now?

Moaning?
The electrical mess on the wall is only acceptable to a
pikey/cyclist or a skint person with a 30 year old kitchen.
Guess all of the above fits you.

The point of the socket he fitted is to provide power. It presumably
does this job perfectly. It's not a bloody ornament.


Guess all of the above fits you.

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:22:25 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:23:10 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:30:56 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Its actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2
core through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs
though so had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire
that into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than
others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

Good grief!
http://www.swldxer.co.uk/kitchen1.jpg

What are you moaning about now?

Moaning?
The electrical mess on the wall is only acceptable to a
pikey/cyclist or a skint person with a 30 year old kitchen.
Guess all of the above fits you.

The point of the socket he fitted is to provide power. It presumably
does this job perfectly. It's not a bloody ornament.


Guess all of the above fits you.

Women like things to look pretty. Men like things that perform a function.

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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity. All that will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak from live to neutral and cost him pennies. What do you think he's going to do, reach up and grab the block in the rain?

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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:51:02 +0100, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:


Women like things to look pretty. Men like things that perform a function.

I like pretty women that perform a function.


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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:10:09 +0100, ARW wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:51:02 +0100, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:


Women like things to look pretty. Men like things that perform a function.

I like pretty women that perform a function.

Washing the dishes? :-)


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En el artículo , ARW
escribió:

I like pretty women that perform a function.

You could call James Wankinson aka PHucker a ****, but then ****s tend
to be attractive and serve a useful purpose.

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(")_(")

En el artículo , ARW
escribió:

Any close up photos of the final wiring connections? Or did you just
cover that connector block with a pair of knickers?

'kinell.

That's been added to my Dodgy Electrics photo collection.

He needs to get a sparky in before he kills someone.

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On 26/10/2016 21:52, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity. All that
will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak from live to
neutral and cost him pennies. What do you think he's going to do, reach
up and grab the block in the rain?

Trust me, he is that stupid.

However, not the point.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:45:11 +0100, David Lang wrote:

On 26/10/2016 21:52, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity. All that
will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak from live to
neutral and cost him pennies. What do you think he's going to do, reach
up and grab the block in the rain?

Trust me, he is that stupid.

Bull****.

However, not the point.

So your point is?

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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:52:02 +0100, pamela wrote:

On 21:52 26 Oct 2016, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed
wrote: Its actually because they are much more reliable when
moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed
2 core through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up
plugs though so had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an
extension lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall
and then wire that into the light or whatever. Easier with
some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you
have to drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and
feed two core in from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest
indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and
a metal light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity.

All that will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak
from live to neutral and cost him pennies.

What if it's more than a little bit of leakage (maybe from
something like bird droppings)?

I assume salty or something? Well it'll evaporate it or blow the fuse.

What do you think he's going to do, reach up and grab the block
in the rain?



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How many potheads does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to hold the bulb against the socket, and the other to smoke up until the room starts spinning.

"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 21:52 26 Oct 2016, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed
wrote: Its actually because they are much more reliable when
moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed
2 core through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up
plugs though so had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an
extension lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall
and then wire that into the light or whatever. Easier with
some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you
have to drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and
feed two core in from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest
indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and
a metal light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity.

All that will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak
from live to neutral and cost him pennies.

What if it's more than a little bit of leakage (maybe from
something like bird droppings)?

The most that might do is trip the RCD.

What do you think he's going to do, reach up and grab the block
in the rain?

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:05:22 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:

On 26/10/2016 08:44, Handsome Jack wrote:
What is the point of moulded plugs when one usually has to cut them off
and replace them?

One doesn't usually have to.

Indeed, one can disconnect the cable from the back of the machine and
thread it through the cable hole to reconnect it (I did this for our
under the worktop fridge space to provide a neat and tidy connection for
the fridge to the mains socket just above the worktop about ten years or
so ago).

However, before committing to the extra work, I'd suggest you try
running the machine for a week or three first, using if necessary, a
short heavy duty 13A extension socket to give it a good 'shake down' to
reveal any hidden defects that might require the attentions of a service
engineer who may need to move it beyond the limit of its mains lead
tether in order to gain sufficient elbow room (assuming the shop doesn't
simply swap it out for another new machine).

However, why not fit another socket below the worktop fed by a spur from
the socket above? This was basically the solution I used in the case of
the dishwashing machine right next to the kitchen sink unit.

In this case, I only had to consider the aesthetics of the job *above*
the worktop. The resulting 2.5mm FT&E below the worktop was simply
trailed the short distance to a single switched surface mounted socket
screwed onto the inside of the adjacent corner unit with a 2 inch
diameter hole nearby by which to feed the mains cable, plug and all, from
the dishwasher.

The extra wiring and the socket are out of sight and out of mind (and
importantly, better protected against damp ingress than the twin outlet
socket it is fed from) yet still readily accessible via the cupboard door
without the need to employ the services of a contortionist. Even thirty
odd years ago, it was enough of a faff to fit this extra 'dishwasher
socket' but I knew the invested effort was likely to pay huge dividends
later on. :-)

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"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 20:12 26 Oct 2016, ARW wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:04:45 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Just as well items are now supplied with a fitted plug. Can you
imagine the "Facebook Generation" trying to use wire strippers
and screwdrivers.

Every ****ing day and it's not my imagination.

Alan, as far as you know do your wonderful young
scholars ever get to read your posts about them?

Yeah, one of them did show up here. Not just read, posted as well.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:58:58 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , Handsome Jack
escribió:

What is the point of moulded plugs when one usually
has to cut them off and replace them?

Most well-designed kitchens put a socket under the counter for that
purpose. Sometimes they're inside an adjacent cupboard.

Bingo! It's as if you read my mind. :-)

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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:58:58 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , Handsome Jack
escribió:

What is the point of moulded plugs when one usually
has to cut them off and replace them?

Most well-designed kitchens put a socket under the counter for that
purpose. Sometimes they're inside an adjacent cupboard.

Yup, I have a socket in a cupboard. The switch is above the worktop -
double pole with neon.

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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:49:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield writes:
DerbyBorn formulated the question :

Just as well items are now supplied with a fitted plug. Can you
imagine the "Facebook Generation" trying to use wire strippers and
screwdrivers.

In the days when plugs were brown, it was nice to buy a nice new MK
White plug (extra cost) to fit on a new appliance.

Just a matter of what looks modern and fashionable. Black seems the
fashionable colour at the moment.

Videos, stereos etc. were silver, then black, now silver seems to be
coming back as the 'in' colour.

So my 1980's Sharp HiFi is coming back into fashion? ;-)

But what about Quad beige? ;-)

Nothing wrong with beige. And orange.

Says my 33/303.



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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 17:44:08 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo ,
Lobster escribió:

how many average members of the public ever used to change the 13A fuse
which was supplied in their newly purchased plug to match the appliance
they bought it for?

I did, though suspect I was in a minority

I did too.

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 00:01:48 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 21:52 26 Oct 2016, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed
wrote: Its actually because they are much more reliable when
moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed
2 core through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up
plugs though so had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an
extension lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall
and then wire that into the light or whatever. Easier with
some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you
have to drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and
feed two core in from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest
indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and
a metal light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity.

All that will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak
from live to neutral and cost him pennies.

What if it's more than a little bit of leakage (maybe from
something like bird droppings)?

The most that might do is trip the RCD.

RCDs are for pussies, I have fuses.

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On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 20:26:24 UTC+1, David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

I like to live life on the edge.
Got rid of all of my Chinky corncob LEDs though as they were a real shocker.

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 00:01:48 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 21:52 26 Oct 2016, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed
wrote: Its actually because they are much more reliable when
moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed
2 core through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up
plugs though so had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an
extension lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall
and then wire that into the light or whatever. Easier with
some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you
have to drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and
feed two core in from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest
indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and
a metal light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity.

All that will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak
from live to neutral and cost him pennies.

What if it's more than a little bit of leakage (maybe from
something like bird droppings)?

The most that might do is trip the RCD.

RCDs are for pussies, I have fuses.

It might blow a fuse if you are unlucky enough to
get some bird **** that is very sloppy right on the
areas where there is some metal down in the block.

Unlikely tho.

On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:15:15 UTC+1, Handsome Jack wrote:
Clive George posted
On 26/10/2016 18:32, Handsome Jack wrote:

People didn't generally used to buy plugs. They bought appliances with
plugs already fitted, with the correct fuse in them. But they were good
plugs, not the moulded rubbish we get today.

Are you quite young?

Sixty.

The rules saying appliances had to have a plug fitted came in 1994, and
before that appliances generally didn't have plugs fitted.

Most did. A few didn't.


They had no plugs because not all sockets were 13 amp back then.

On 26/10/2016 17:38, pamela wrote:
On 17:32 26 Oct 2016, Lobster wrote:

On 26 Oct 2016, Handsome Jack grunted:

"Dave Plowman (News)" posted
In article ,
Handsome Jack wrote:

else could I possibly do? What is the point of moulded plugs
when one usually has to cut them off and replace them?

Absolutely fine if you've fitted the new plug correctly.

Is that really so difficult? Uneducated people, some even
Brexit-voters, have been doing it for decades without too many
problems.

That's debatable, to say the least. The vast majority of
electrical fires are down to appliances rather than fixed
wiring, and you can bet that historically a huge number of those
are attributable to dodgy plugs.

Quite apart from loose screws, shorts, severed strands of wire,
missing cable clamps, interchanged L/N wires etc, how many
average members of the public ever used to change the 13A fuse
which was supplied in their newly purchased plug to match the
appliance they bought it for?

Isn't the rating of the fuse chosen to protect the lead?

http://www.theiet.org/forums/forum/m....cfm?catid=205
&threadid=16463

Yes, strictly, but the appliance will have a cable sized for its current
draw.

Handsome Jack wrote:
Recently I had to replace a washing machine. As always nowadays, it came
with a moulded plug. As the electrical socket is above the worktop, I
had to cut this plug off, feed the cable through the (existing) hole in
the worktop, and put on a new plug (non-moulded, obviously).

I can't help feeling this would be disapproved of by TPTB, but what else
could I possibly do? What is the point of moulded plugs when one usually
has to cut them off and replace them?

Much better to put an outlet under the bench.

Rod Speed wrote:


"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:30:56 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Its actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension lead,
feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that into
the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

Good grief!
http://www.swldxer.co.uk/kitchen1.jpg

What are you moaning about now?

All that stuff on the bench top, not put away in the drawers, stupid.


He is just proving that the British can get a modest selection of food.

That black cat is clearly the reason he jumped.

On Thursday, 27 October 2016 08:29:18 UTC+1, F Murtz wrote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

Good grief!
http://www.swldxer.co.uk/kitchen1.jpg

What are you moaning about now?

All that stuff on the bench top, not put away in the drawers, stupid.


He is just proving that the British can get a modest selection of food.

It is a cycling tradition to photograph your bike with Marmite.

http://bit.ly/2fi6MBb

On 26/10/2016 23:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:45:11 +0100, David Lang
wrote:

On 26/10/2016 21:52, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity. All that
will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak from live to
neutral and cost him pennies. What do you think he's going to do, reach
up and grab the block in the rain?

Trust me, he is that stupid.

Bull****.

However, not the point.

So your point is?

That Mason is an idiot and you seem to be supporting him.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

On 26/10/16 22:18, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , ARW
escribió:

I like pretty women that perform a function.

You could call James Wankinson aka PHucker a ****, but then ****s tend
to be attractive and serve a useful purpose.

Nah. ****s are the source of all the evil in the world.

Every single politician came out of one.

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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 03:37:22 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 00:01:48 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 21:52 26 Oct 2016, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed
wrote: Its actually because they are much more reliable when
moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed
2 core through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up
plugs though so had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an
extension lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall
and then wire that into the light or whatever. Easier with
some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you
have to drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and
feed two core in from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest
indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and
a metal light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity.

All that will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak
from live to neutral and cost him pennies.

What if it's more than a little bit of leakage (maybe from
something like bird droppings)?

The most that might do is trip the RCD.

RCDs are for pussies, I have fuses.

It might blow a fuse if you are unlucky enough to
get some bird **** that is very sloppy right on the
areas where there is some metal down in the block.

Unlikely tho.

Which is why I prefer fuses. Less likely to trip.

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:09:42 +0100, David Lang wrote:

On 26/10/2016 23:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:45:11 +0100, David Lang
wrote:

On 26/10/2016 21:52, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:25:49 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

David Lang wrote:
On 26/10/2016 17:22, Simon Mason wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016 09:29:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Its
actually because they are much more reliable when moulded.

I have just fitted 4 LED security lamps and needed to feed 2 core
through a brick wall - I have 20 odd old wire up plugs though so
had plenty to hand.

I do it the other way, cut the moulded socket off an extension
lead, feed the cut end thru the hole in the wall and then wire that
into the light or whatever. Easier with some lights than others.

These lights only come with about 1ft of three way, so you have to
drill a foot long hole in the exterior bricks and feed two core in
from inside, fit a plug and find the nearest indoor socket.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvtPqEOXYAEybSS.jpg

So you now have an exposed chocky block outside in the wet and a metal
light with no earth?

You are a special kind of stupid.

He is a cyclist. They really are a very special kind of stupid.

Or not a wimp like you two, scared of a bit of electricity. All that
will happen in the rain is a bit of electric will leak from live to
neutral and cost him pennies. What do you think he's going to do, reach
up and grab the block in the rain?

Trust me, he is that stupid.

Bull****.

However, not the point.

So your point is?

That Mason is an idiot and you seem to be supporting him.

The photos did not show any idiocy.

--
Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the creator of human intelligence.

Johnny B Good posted
However, why not fit another socket below the worktop fed by a spur
from the socket above? This was basically the solution I used in the
case of the dishwashing machine right next to the kitchen sink unit.

In this case, I only had to consider the aesthetics of the job *above*
the worktop.

Adding a spur is too much work. Especially as the cable would have to be
chased into the wall above the worktop, which is tiled.

The best solution posted here is to make an extension lead going from
the socket through the existing hole in the worktop, to a
(free-floating) outlet under the worktop. I could even have used the
lead from the old washing machine, which was already plugged in!

--
Jack

En el artículo , Handsome Jack
escribió:

I could even have used the
lead from the old washing machine, which was already plugged in!

Hopefully you'd remember to unplug it before wiring up your new free-
floating under-counter extension socket

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(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:58:58 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artículo , Handsome Jack
escribió:

What is the point of moulded plugs when one usually
has to cut them off and replace them?

Most well-designed kitchens put a socket under the counter for that
purpose. Sometimes they're inside an adjacent cupboard.

Yup, I have a socket in a cupboard. The switch is above the worktop -
double pole with neon.

Didn't bother with accessible switches for such things. If it did burst
into flames it would be safer to switch off at the nearby CU than reach
over the burning washing machine. ;-)

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Harry Bloomfield wrote in news:nuq4mo
:

After serious thinking Alan Dawes wrote :
Do it the other way round ie remove the back of washing machine,
disconnect the cable from inside, put the cable through the hole,
reconnect inside the machine and replace the back.

Then pulling the machine out for servicing takes longer. Best solution
is a socket in the appropriate place, second best a short extension
lead, just to get a socket below via a hole in the worktop.


....but have it unplugged when poking the wires through the hole!!!!!

On Thursday, 27 October 2016 09:09:56 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/10/16 22:18, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , ARW
escribió:

I like pretty women that perform a function.

You could call James Wankinson aka PHucker a ****, but then ****s tend
to be attractive and serve a useful purpose.

Nah. ****s are the source of all the evil in the world.

Every single politician came out of one.

I thought they came from arseholes?

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:33:22 +0100, pamela wrote:

On 00:27 27 Oct 2016, Rod Speed wrote:



"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 20:12 26 Oct 2016, ARW wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:04:45 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Just as well items are now supplied with a fitted plug. Can you
imagine the "Facebook Generation" trying to use wire strippers
and screwdrivers.

Every ****ing day and it's not my imagination.

Alan, as far as you know do your wonderful young
scholars ever get to read your posts about them?

Yeah, one of them did show up here. Not just read, posted as well.

Ummm, that could have been a tricky moment.

Apart from it never happened

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:37:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


It might blow a fuse if you are unlucky enough to
get some bird **** that is very sloppy right on the
areas where there is some metal down in the block.

Unlikely tho.

So not worth putting into the forthcoming 18th edition regs then?

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