Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

On 23/10/2016 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

If you tell it you have a metered connection you can avoid having
(almost) all updates. Then when it's convenient, change that setting
and you get them. Since Microsoft make so may cock-ups, it's good to be
a month or two behind on updates.

--
Clive Page

On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


--
€œSome people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€�

Dennis Miller

On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.

On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


I stirred a few comments in the other group when I said that I had W10
updates disabled
Before the 1607 update it was possible to disable them entirely. They've
patched it out now which is why I'm not updating my W10 machine.

I expect it will stop working at some point and sulk

"Clive Page" wrote in message
...
On 23/10/2016 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

If you tell it you have a metered connection you can avoid having (almost)
all updates. Then when it's convenient, change that setting and you get
them. Since Microsoft make so may cock-ups, it's good to be a month or
two behind on updates.

unfortunately, when you do this you are still going to get the most recent
one "untested"

how can you avoid this

tim

"Lee" wrote in message
news
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


I stirred a few comments in the other group when I said that I had W10
updates disabled
Before the 1607 update it was possible to disable them entirely. They've
patched it out now which is why I'm not updating my W10 machine.

I expect it will stop working at some point and sulk

Mine's doing that already :-(

tim

On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some 'cloud'?



--
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

On 23/10/2016 11:30, Lee wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


I stirred a few comments in the other group when I said that I had W10
updates disabled
Before the 1607 update it was possible to disable them entirely. They've
patched it out now which is why I'm not updating my W10 machine.

I expect it will stop working at some point and sulk

We've done this to death in the other NG, but I'm hoping you'll fall
off-line.

Meant in the nicest possible way, and for the reasons discussed there.

On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

It's no worse than Apple. They send down a bunch of updates. I dutifully
install them. Things stop working. It's then possible, but extremely
complicated to undo. At least with Windows you can then roll it back.

Then, if you're smug about linux, there's this:
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/...-warns-red-hat

Really, you're best off going back to the abacus and sending messages by
hand in a cleft stick.

En el artículo , tim...
escribió:

how can you avoid this

Don't use Windows 10. Simples.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

"GB" wrote in message ...

On 23/10/2016 11:30, Lee wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


I stirred a few comments in the other group when I said that I had W10
updates disabled
Before the 1607 update it was possible to disable them entirely. They've
patched it out now which is why I'm not updating my W10 machine.

I expect it will stop working at some point and sulk

We've done this to death in the other NG, but I'm hoping you'll fall
off-line.

Meant in the nicest possible way, and for the reasons discussed there.

OOI which "other" NG?

On 23/10/2016 11:59, Richard wrote:
"GB" wrote in message ...

On 23/10/2016 11:30, Lee wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


I stirred a few comments in the other group when I said that I had W10
updates disabled
Before the 1607 update it was possible to disable them entirely. They've
patched it out now which is why I'm not updating my W10 machine.

I expect it will stop working at some point and sulk

We've done this to death in the other NG, but I'm hoping you'll fall
off-line.

Meant in the nicest possible way, and for the reasons discussed there.

OOI which "other" NG?

uk.comp.homebuilt

In article ,
Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Win 7 has been the same.

I'd guess security. As a hacker or whatever finds an easy route in, they
issue an update to close it.

--
*No husband has ever been shot while doing the dishes *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.

Never go online. Then security updates won't matter.

--
*A plateau is a high form of flattery*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , tim...
escribió:

how can you avoid this

Don't use Windows 10. Simples.

Just the same has been happening with Win7.

--
*Two wrongs are only the beginning *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some 'cloud'?



Of course most computers work without the cloud.
It's very possible to get your Google fix etc from an Android Smart
phone and then copy anything from the phone to your computer without the
computer being connected.
Microsoft cannot reach your computer like that.

On 23/10/2016 13:15, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some
'cloud'?



Of course most computers work without the cloud.

TNP lives in a world where you can't pop into a shop and pick up a box
with an OS in it and install it without an internet connection.

On 23/10/16 13:15, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some
'cloud'?



Of course most computers work without the cloud.

Office 365?


It's very possible to get your Google fix etc from an Android Smart
phone and then copy anything from the phone to your computer without the
computer being connected.
Microsoft cannot reach your computer like that.

Don't be obtuse.

I said 'own' not 'reach' anyway.


--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On 23/10/2016 13:22, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/10/2016 13:15, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some
'cloud'?



Of course most computers work without the cloud.

TNP lives in a world where you can't pop into a shop and pick up a box
with an OS in it and install it without an internet connection.


Indeed.

On 23/10/2016 13:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 13:15, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some
'cloud'?



Of course most computers work without the cloud.

Office 365?


It's very possible to get your Google fix etc from an Android Smart
phone and then copy anything from the phone to your computer without the
computer being connected.
Microsoft cannot reach your computer like that.

Don't be obtuse.

I said 'own' not 'reach' anyway.


ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

On 23/10/16 13:33, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 13:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 13:15, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short
period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some
'cloud'?



Of course most computers work without the cloud.

Office 365?


It's very possible to get your Google fix etc from an Android Smart
phone and then copy anything from the phone to your computer without the
computer being connected.
Microsoft cannot reach your computer like that.

Don't be obtuse.

I said 'own' not 'reach' anyway.


ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

I cant believe you actually said that.

Many years ago i got a worried phone call from a client 'My customer's
code is saying "indirection error: Contact support" What does that mean?'

"That means you have sold him the demonstration code I gave you that
has a time limit, and you owe me royalties".

Before the Internet even existed.


--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 10:33:24 +0100, Broadback
wrote:

Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?
You might get a more specific response by posting your question in the
alt.com.os.windows-10
group or even reading some of the existing posts in there.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It controls
the whole thing.

And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some 'cloud'?

Of course it does.


--
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all
government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully
understood.

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

It's no worse than Apple. They send down a bunch of updates. I dutifully
install them. Things stop working.

Never had that with iOS.

It's then possible, but extremely complicated to undo. At least with
Windows you can then roll it back.

If there is a problem with iOS it gets fixed quickly.

Then, if you're smug about linux, there's this:
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/...-warns-red-hat

Really, you're best off going back to the abacus and sending messages by
hand in a cleft stick.

How odd that you dont do that yourself.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , tim...
escribió:

how can you avoid this

Don't use Windows 10. Simples.

Just the same has been happening with Win7.

no it's not

with Win 7 you can accept each new update manually (it's awkward to do, but
not impossible)

With Win 10 you either set your PC in a mode that no downloads are
installed,

or get all the "new" ones all at once

tim

On 23/10/2016 13:33, Bod wrote:
ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

Just have a look at the event logs of a PC running Office 365.

You will see many events of this general form:

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Security-SPP
Date: dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm:ss
Event ID: 1003
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: XXXXXXXX-XXXXXXX
Description:
The Software Protection service has completed licensing status check.
Application Id=0ff1ce15-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx

Now just think what that might be about....

And what might happen if the check fails....

--
Rod

tim... wrote:

with Win 7 you can accept each new update manually (it's awkward to do, but
not impossible)

With Win 10 you either set your PC in a mode that no downloads are
installed, or get all the "new" ones all at once

Win10's method is coming to Win7 ...

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/10/07/more-on-windows-7-and-windows-8-1-servicing-changes/

En el artículo , tim...
escribió:

or get all the "new" ones all at once

That's the way it works for Win7 now. All or nothing. Is the view nice
from that stone you've been living under?

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

On 23/10/2016 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

It's no worse than Apple. They send down a bunch of updates. I
dutifully install them. Things stop working.

Never had that with iOS.

I preferred the old way of unlocking using a swipe, but Apple says I can't.

I have an apple lead and charger, but the lead's too short so I included
a USB extension lead. The latest update stops it charging.

The ipad's quite nice, but I really won't buy Apple again.


It's then possible, but extremely complicated to undo. At least with
Windows you can then roll it back.

If there is a problem with iOS it gets fixed quickly.

I had no problem with the old version. Now I have two annoyances thrust
on me as an update that I can't roll back at all easily.


Then, if you're smug about linux, there's this:
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/...-warns-red-hat


Really, you're best off going back to the abacus and sending messages
by hand in a cleft stick.

How odd that you dont do that yourself.

Rod, you really don't understand irony, do you?

On 23/10/2016 13:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 13:33, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 13:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 13:15, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a
long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short
period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

And in any case, does it actually work when not connected to some
'cloud'?



Of course most computers work without the cloud.

Office 365?


It's very possible to get your Google fix etc from an Android Smart
phone and then copy anything from the phone to your computer without
the
computer being connected.
Microsoft cannot reach your computer like that.

Don't be obtuse.

I said 'own' not 'reach' anyway.


ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

I cant believe you actually said that.

Many years ago i got a worried phone call from a client 'My customer's
code is saying "indirection error: Contact support" What does that mean?'

"That means you have sold him the demonstration code I gave you that
has a time limit, and you owe me royalties".

Well done.


Before the Internet even existed.

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 23/10/2016 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 23/10/2016 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 11:24, Bod wrote:
On 23/10/2016 11:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/10/16 10:33, Broadback wrote:
Twice in the last 24 hours my computer has rebooted and spent a long
time updating Windows 10. Why 2 large updates in such a short
period?

Because one depended on the other.
Because its ****ing winders.

You dont think you own that computer do you? Microsoft owns it.


Only when you go online. Microsuck has no control when offline.


Don't be silly. It owns the operating system you are renting. It
controls the whole thing.

It's no worse than Apple. They send down a bunch of updates. I
dutifully install them. Things stop working.

Never had that with iOS.

I preferred the old way of unlocking using a swipe, but Apple says I
can't.

You never have to install an iOS update, that is always optional.

I have an apple lead and charger, but the lead's too short so I included a
USB extension lead. The latest update stops it charging.

You never have to install an iOS update, that is always optional.

The ipad's quite nice, but I really won't buy Apple again.

More fool you. Androids are much worse, no updates at all quite
quickly so you are ****ed if you want one of the improvements.

It's then possible, but extremely complicated to undo. At least with
Windows you can then roll it back.

If there is a problem with iOS it gets fixed quickly.

I had no problem with the old version. Now I have two annoyances thrust on
me as an update that I can't roll back at all easily.

You never have to install an iOS update, that is always optional.

And you could roll back very easily if you had done
that when you noticed something you didnt like.

Then, if you're smug about linux, there's this:
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/...-warns-red-hat

Really, you're best off going back to the abacus and sending messages by
hand in a cleft stick.

How odd that you dont do that yourself.

Rod, you really don't understand irony, do you?

That isnt irony, just mindless silly stuff.

On 23/10/2016 17:45, tim... wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , tim...
escribió:

how can you avoid this

Don't use Windows 10. Simples.

Just the same has been happening with Win7.

no it's not

with Win 7 you can accept each new update manually (it's awkward to do,
but not impossible)

With Win 10 you either set your PC in a mode that no downloads are
installed,

or get all the "new" ones all at once

That is only true for the home editions.
They are the ones that need automatic updates.
People that understand computers probably use the pro version (so they
can encrypt, etc.) and can chose what happens.

On 23/10/2016 17:48, polygonum wrote:
On 23/10/2016 13:33, Bod wrote:
ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

Just have a look at the event logs of a PC running Office 365.

You will see many events of this general form:

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Security-SPP
Date: dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm:ss
Event ID: 1003
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: XXXXXXXX-XXXXXXX
Description:
The Software Protection service has completed licensing status check.
Application Id=0ff1ce15-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx

Now just think what that might be about....

And what might happen if the check fails....


Office 365 is not windows 10 so it isn't really relevant.

On 23/10/2016 19:51, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/10/2016 17:48, polygonum wrote:
On 23/10/2016 13:33, Bod wrote:
ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

Just have a look at the event logs of a PC running Office 365.

You will see many events of this general form:

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Security-SPP
Date: dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm:ss
Event ID: 1003
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: XXXXXXXX-XXXXXXX
Description:
The Software Protection service has completed licensing status check.
Application Id=0ff1ce15-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx

Now just think what that might be about....

And what might happen if the check fails....


Office 365 is not windows 10 so it isn't really relevant.

So controlling what applications you can run isn't affecting or controlling?

--
Rod

dennis@home wrote:

tim... wrote:

get all the "new" ones all at once

That is only true for the home editions.
They are the ones that need automatic updates.
People that understand computers probably use the pro version (so they
can encrypt, etc.) and can chose what happens.

pro and home editions update in the same way, you may be thinking of
enterprise edition ...

On 23/10/2016 19:59, polygonum wrote:
On 23/10/2016 19:51, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/10/2016 17:48, polygonum wrote:
On 23/10/2016 13:33, Bod wrote:
ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

Just have a look at the event logs of a PC running Office 365.

You will see many events of this general form:

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Security-SPP
Date: dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm:ss
Event ID: 1003
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: XXXXXXXX-XXXXXXX
Description:
The Software Protection service has completed licensing status check.
Application Id=0ff1ce15-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx

Now just think what that might be about....

And what might happen if the check fails....


Office 365 is not windows 10 so it isn't really relevant.

So controlling what applications you can run isn't affecting or
controlling?


You know that you are buying a "cloud" product with 365 so you expect it
to talk to the "cloud".

It doesn't apply to windows 10 or to stand alone office products where
you do not need an internet connection, ever, unless you want to
download some updates and even then you don't need to use the PC running
the software.

On 23/10/2016 20:04, Andy Burns wrote:
dennis@home wrote:

tim... wrote:

get all the "new" ones all at once

That is only true for the home editions.
They are the ones that need automatic updates.
People that understand computers probably use the pro version (so they
can encrypt, etc.) and can chose what happens.

pro and home editions update in the same way, you may be thinking of
enterprise edition ...


There is no difference between pro and enterprise apart from licensing
AFAICS.

In article . com,
lid writes
On 23/10/2016 17:48, polygonum wrote:
On 23/10/2016 13:33, Bod wrote:
ok, but in reality, how can Microsoft take back your Windows
installation or affect/control it in any way if you never go online.

Just have a look at the event logs of a PC running Office 365.

You will see many events of this general form:

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Security-SPP
Date: dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm:ss
Event ID: 1003
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: XXXXXXXX-XXXXXXX
Description:
The Software Protection service has completed licensing status check.
Application Id=0ff1ce15-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx

Now just think what that might be about....

And what might happen if the check fails....


Office 365 is not windows 10 so it isn't really relevant.

Well I switched on a W10 laptop which wasn't on this occasion within
wi-fi range and none of my apps were available.
--
bert

On 23/10/16 20:08, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/10/2016 20:04, Andy Burns wrote:
dennis@home wrote:

tim... wrote:

get all the "new" ones all at once

That is only true for the home editions.
They are the ones that need automatic updates.
People that understand computers probably use the pro version (so they
can encrypt, etc.) and can chose what happens.

pro and home editions update in the same way, you may be thinking of
enterprise edition ...


There is no difference between pro and enterprise apart from licensing
AFAICS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

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Adrian C