On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 08:38:31 -0700, harry wrote:

The work is still progressing.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...ar-land-rover-
starts-work-11881956

Oh, well. Rotten timing on their part, then. Serve's 'em right.

In article , RJH writes
On 08/10/2016 07:44, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 8 October 2016 07:41:57 UTC+1, harry wrote:
Jaguar Landrover opening a new manufacturing plant in Slovakia.


http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en...12/11/jaguar-l
and-rover-confirms-new-factory-in-slovakia/
Wonder how long it'll be before they shut the Solihull one down?
Lift and shift.

What exactly has been lifted? JLR has only just opened a large engine
plant in the Midlands, and show no signs of moving. Yet.

Benefits of globalisation.

Oh. I forgot to add, all done with EUSSR money.
Asset stripping by the EUSSR.


Without knowing the details, I'd guess it was done with access to EU
*loans* to Slovakia, mainly for infrastructure and not to JLR, and
domestic sweeteners and tax breaks to JLR. Happy to stand corrected.

The decision was made and announced long before the referendum
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
charles wrote:
And that will placate some of the racist / bigoted Brexiteers because
all those 'foreign people' coming here to work (and consume and pay
taxes) will then go elsewhere!

you mean the foreigners who own our electrical supplies, our water
supplies, many of our trains & buses, travel agents, (Thos Cook is
German), car industry. etc. Those sort of foreigners?

Yup. Going to be interesting to see what happens when they're told they
can no longer bring in managers etc from their home country.

Yet another thing the hard BREXIT lot haven't worked out.

Another figment of your remaniac imagination.
If you're going to simply rubber stamp an application from a business
based here to bring in essential staff, just the same will happen with a
farmer wanting fruit pickers.

The can of worms hasn't even had the lid loosened - let alone opened.


--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 23:41:55 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Jaguar Landrover opening a new manufacturing plant in Slovakia.
















http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en...y-in-slovakia/
Wonder how long it'll be before they shut the Solihull one down?
Lift and shift.
Benefits of globalisation.

And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.

Chances are we will. If we can't get a free trade deal afterwards, why
would any international maker want to manufacture here? With high energy,
labour and infrastructure costs on top of any tariff?

And that will placate some of the racist / bigoted Brexiteers because
all those 'foreign people' coming here to work (and consume and pay
taxes) will then go elsewhere!

Harry probably thinks JLR is still a UK owned firm. Oh - and if he doesn't
like the EU giving grants etc, is he going to be happy to pay back those
the UK got

We are a net contributor so yes if we get our subs back also - then we
can give the net amount to the NHS.
--
bert

In article , T i m
writes
On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:19:13 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 23:41:55 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Jaguar Landrover opening a new manufacturing plant in Slovakia.













http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en...y-in-slovakia/
Wonder how long it'll be before they shut the Solihull one down?
Lift and shift.
Benefits of globalisation.

And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.

Chances are we will.

I was talking to a mate the other day when said that if we leave, he
(as a British worker in a specialist international job) will have to
leave his job because a pre-requite of the role is that he comes from
an EU member state.

So it's OK for the EU to say that but if it is rumoured that advisors to
the government on Brexit must be UK citizens then the remaniacs start
shouting foul.
If we can't get a free trade deal afterwards, why
would any international maker want to manufacture here? With high energy,
labour and infrastructure costs on top of any tariff?

Quite.

And that will placate some of the racist / bigoted Brexiteers because
all those 'foreign people' coming here to work (and consume and pay
taxes) will then go elsewhere!

Harry probably thinks JLR is still a UK owned firm.

You think harry 'thinks'? I think it's just a (broken) Bot. ;-)

Oh - and if he doesn't
like the EU giving grants etc, is he going to be happy to pay back those
the UK got

We can't even stop *him* stealing our money ('yet' anyway) via his FIT
theft so I doubt it very much!

'harry is ok thanks' and that is all that is important to harry ...
;-(

Cheers, T i m




--
bert

In article , charles
writes
In article , Richard
wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

In article ,
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:03:01 +0100, T i m wrote:



And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.

Brexit may turn out to a wonderful thing , but one of the worst
aspects could be North Easterners currently employed in the Nissan
plant having been put out of work when it downsizes or moves then
whining it is all the fault of the horrible South while expecting the
South to fund their dole money.

It seems to be a common thread among the BREXIT lot that the UK somehow
is special. That only 'our' workers can build Nissans etc efficiently.
Yet it's not so long ago that those same people wouldn't buy a UK made
car at any price - and blaming it on the workforce. Hence the majority
of the UK owned industry going broke.

It wasn't the workforce to blame, it was the idle ****ing union
agitators.

who were elected by their members

Just like the eastern Europeans kept "Electing" their communist
overlords.
--
bert

In article , Fredxxx
writes
On 08/10/2016 13:05, charles wrote:
In article , Richard
wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

In article ,
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:03:01 +0100, T i m wrote:



And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.

Brexit may turn out to a wonderful thing , but one of the worst
aspects could be North Easterners currently employed in the Nissan
plant having been put out of work when it downsizes or moves then
whining it is all the fault of the horrible South while expecting the
South to fund their dole money.

It seems to be a common thread among the BREXIT lot that the UK somehow
is special. That only 'our' workers can build Nissans etc efficiently.
Yet it's not so long ago that those same people wouldn't buy a UK made
car at any price - and blaming it on the workforce. Hence the majority
of the UK owned industry going broke.

It wasn't the workforce to blame, it was the idle ****ing union
agitators.

who were elected by their members

MPs were also elected, but few of them supported Brexit.

But the vast majority voted in favour of having a referendum.
MPs also get upset when their policies don't have support from their
rank and file.

--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
charles wrote:
In article , Richard
wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

In article ,
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:03:01 +0100, T i m wrote:



And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.

Brexit may turn out to a wonderful thing , but one of the worst
aspects could be North Easterners currently employed in the Nissan
plant having been put out of work when it downsizes or moves then
whining it is all the fault of the horrible South while expecting
the South to fund their dole money.

It seems to be a common thread among the BREXIT lot that the UK
somehow is special. That only 'our' workers can build Nissans etc
efficiently. Yet it's not so long ago that those same people wouldn't
buy a UK made car at any price - and blaming it on the workforce.
Hence the majority of the UK owned industry going broke.

It wasn't the workforce to blame, it was the cidle ****ing union
agitators.

who were elected by their members

Be interested to know just how those 'idle ****ing union agitators' were
able to influence the poor design of many of these vehicles.

You mean the mini or the Metro? The designs were world leaders, it was
the build quality that was poor.
But of course the likes of Richard knows just as much about the UK owned
car industry as anything else. If a minus score is possible.


--
bert

In article , alan_m
writes
On 08/10/2016 11:03, T i m wrote:

And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.


You will see more of the same. The majority of EU grants will migrate
from rich western European countries to the poorer Eastern European
countries.

This has nothing to do with Brexit.


Quite. Just look where VW build there various brands.
--
bert

On 09/10/16 00:36, bert wrote:
In article , alan_m
writes
On 08/10/2016 11:03, T i m wrote:

And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.


You will see more of the same. The majority of EU grants will migrate
from rich western European countries to the poorer Eastern European
countries.

This has nothing to do with Brexit.


Quite. Just look where VW build there various brands.
Mexico.


--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 00:28:24 +0100, bert wrote:

snip

I was talking to a mate the other day when said that if we leave, he
(as a British worker in a specialist international job) will have to
leave his job because a pre-requite of the role is that he comes from
an EU member state.

So it's OK for the EU to say that but if it is rumoured that advisors to
the government on Brexit must be UK citizens then the remaniacs start
shouting foul.

Seems like it but I think the difference here is one is an independent
/ international organisation (so *not* the EU and with it's own rules)
and the other dealings with / re the EU.

But it looks like the principals are exactly the same in that it is
preferred (required) for anyone representing a body should / might
have a vested interest in the outcome of that body in the hope to gain
the best outcome for said?

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 07:05:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Mexico.

Wolfsburg.

On 09/10/16 13:59, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 07:05:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Mexico.

Wolfsburg.

http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/...the_group.html

"The Group operates 120 production plants in 20 European countries and a
further 11 countries in the Americas, Asia and Africa. Every weekday,
610,076 employees worldwide produce nearly 42,000 vehicles, and work in
vehicle-related services or other fields of business. The Volkswagen
Group sells its vehicles in 153 countries."

Gosh, I never knew there were 153 countries in the EU.....

--
"If you dont read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

On Saturday, 8 October 2016 11:40:40 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
And that will placate some of the racist / bigoted Brexiteers because
all those 'foreign people' coming here to work (and consume and pay
taxes) will then go elsewhere!

you mean the foreigners who own our electrical supplies, our water
supplies, many of our trains & buses, travel agents, (Thos Cook is
German), car industry. etc. Those sort of foreigners?

Yup. Going to be interesting to see what happens when they're told they
can no longer bring in managers etc from their home country.

Yet another thing the hard BREXIT lot haven't worked out.

Be interesting to see how the football league does if it can;t bring in foreign players at £10s of millions a time, perhaps I should sort out my old football boots if I had them.

On Saturday, 8 October 2016 11:54:11 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:19:13 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 23:41:55 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Jaguar Landrover opening a new manufacturing plant in Slovakia.

http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en...y-in-slovakia/
Wonder how long it'll be before they shut the Solihull one down?
Lift and shift.
Benefits of globalisation.

And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.

Chances are we will.

I was talking to a mate the other day when said that if we leave, he
(as a British worker in a specialist international job) will have to
leave his job because a pre-requite of the role is that he comes from
an EU member state.

Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job being asked to be done ?

On Sunday, 9 October 2016 14:03:37 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/10/16 13:59, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 07:05:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Mexico.

Wolfsburg.

http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/...the_group.html

"The Group operates 120 production plants in 20 European countries and a
further 11 countries in the Americas, Asia and Africa. Every weekday,
610,076 employees worldwide produce nearly 42,000 vehicles, and work in
vehicle-related services or other fields of business. The Volkswagen
Group sells its vehicles in 153 countries."

Gosh, I never knew there were 153 countries in the EU.....

You wouldn;t happen to know which of those countries are getting compensation for the recent faked emissions episodes and which aren't.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 8 October 2016 11:54:11 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:19:13 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article , T i m
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 23:41:55 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Jaguar Landrover opening a new manufacturing plant in Slovakia.

http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en...y-in-slovakia/
Wonder how long it'll be before they shut the Solihull one down?
Lift and shift. Benefits of globalisation.

And no one has yet offered any guarantees that *if* we do actually
leave the EU we won't see more of the same.

Chances are we will.

I was talking to a mate the other day when said that if we leave, he
(as a British worker in a specialist international job) will have to
leave his job because a pre-requite of the role is that he comes from
an EU member state.

Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their
skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they dress,
the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job being
asked to be done ?

It might depend on what the job involves. Mind you, that probably is
covered under "because they can do the job being asked to be done".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 8 October 2016 11:40:40 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
And that will placate some of the racist / bigoted Brexiteers
because all those 'foreign people' coming here to work (and
consume and pay taxes) will then go elsewhere!

you mean the foreigners who own our electrical supplies, our water
supplies, many of our trains & buses, travel agents, (Thos Cook is
German), car industry. etc. Those sort of foreigners?

Yup. Going to be interesting to see what happens when they're told
they can no longer bring in managers etc from their home country.

Yet another thing the hard BREXIT lot haven't worked out.

Be interesting to see how the football league does if it can;t bring in
foreign players at £10s of millions a time, perhaps I should sort out my
old football boots if I had them.

Very true. Hit the Sun reading ****s who voted out where it hurts them
most.

Going to create a whole load of new jobs. Approving or rejecting
applications for 'foreigners' who wish to come here to work. Perhaps they
could be filled by all those whose jobs have been taken by immigrants?

--
*Frustration is trying to find your glasses without your glasses.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
charles wrote:
Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their
skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they
dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job
being asked to be done ?

It might depend on what the job involves. Mind you, that probably is
covered under "because they can do the job being asked to be done".

But that isn't important. The only thing that matters is that they're
English.

--
*When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 02:29:01 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

snip

I was talking to a mate the other day when said that if we leave, he
(as a British worker in a specialist international job) will have to
leave his job because a pre-requite of the role is that he comes from
an EU member state.

Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job being asked to be done ?

The latter (of course). However it was none of those things that will
impact my mate, it is a 'political' one.

He can't represent a body if his country of origin isn't part of that
group. It is fair (if not good for him) because he understands how it
works and what he signed up for.

In the exact same vein a mate ripped one of my CV's to shreds because
I mentioned that I was 6'2" tall. He asked why I thought my height was
relevant, unless I was applying for a role as a Dalek operator. ;-)

Would it be hightest to not accept me in the role of 'Dalek operator
or purely practical?

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their
skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they
dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job
being asked to be done ?

It might depend on what the job involves. Mind you, that probably is
covered under "because they can do the job being asked to be done".

But that isn't important. The only thing that matters is that they're
English.

that's you and me out of it then ;-)

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Monday, 10 October 2016 11:13:02 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their
skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they
dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job
being asked to be done ?

It might depend on what the job involves. Mind you, that probably is
covered under "because they can do the job being asked to be done".

But that isn't important. The only thing that matters is that they're
English.

Didn't happen when I was at school, my French teacher was pakistani couldn't understand him whatever language he spoke. When I told my french flatmate she said it was rediculaous in France if they want someone to learn English they employ someone that is English and can speak with an English accent.
A friend of mine who is English is teaching English in spain, he's taugh a couple of the servilla football team.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:40:13 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

snip

But that isn't important. The only thing that matters is that they're
English.

that's you and me out of it then ;-)

And depending on how far you go back, that's probably most of us! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
whisky-dave writes
On Saturday, 8 October 2016 11:40:40 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
And that will placate some of the racist / bigoted Brexiteers because
all those 'foreign people' coming here to work (and consume and pay
taxes) will then go elsewhere!

you mean the foreigners who own our electrical supplies, our water
supplies, many of our trains & buses, travel agents, (Thos Cook is
German), car industry. etc. Those sort of foreigners?

Yup. Going to be interesting to see what happens when they're told they
can no longer bring in managers etc from their home country.

Yet another thing the hard BREXIT lot haven't worked out.

Be interesting to see how the football league does if it can;t bring in
foreign players at £10s of millions a time, perhaps I should sort out
my old football boots if I had them.

I used to watch the football league back in the 60s. It was every bit as
exciting if not more so than the current spectacle.
The England team would probably also do better. We would also be able to
control the way the TV rights are sold rather than the current system
set by the EU Competition Commissioner which works directly contra the
interests of the consumer.
--
bert

On Monday, 10 October 2016 11:22:29 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 02:29:01 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

snip

I was talking to a mate the other day when said that if we leave, he
(as a British worker in a specialist international job) will have to
leave his job because a pre-requite of the role is that he comes from
an EU member state.

Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job being asked to be done ?

The latter (of course). However it was none of those things that will
impact my mate, it is a 'political' one.

He can't represent a body if his country of origin isn't part of that
group. It is fair (if not good for him) because he understands how it
works and what he signed up for.

In the exact same vein a mate ripped one of my CV's to shreds because
I mentioned that I was 6'2" tall. He asked why I thought my height was
relevant, unless I was applying for a role as a Dalek operator. ;-)

Would it be hightest to not accept me in the role of 'Dalek operator
or purely practical?

Well personly I'd be interviewing disabled people especailly those wheelchair bound, because they;d be more belivable :-)

On Monday, 10 October 2016 11:44:21 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their
skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they
dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job
being asked to be done ?

It might depend on what the job involves. Mind you, that probably is
covered under "because they can do the job being asked to be done".

But that isn't important. The only thing that matters is that they're
English.

that's you and me out of it then ;-)

Well we can't all be perfect can we ;-)

In article ,
T i m wrote:
In the exact same vein a mate ripped one of my CV's to shreds because
I mentioned that I was 6'2" tall. He asked why I thought my height was
relevant, unless I was applying for a role as a Dalek operator. ;-)

Would it be hightest to not accept me in the role of 'Dalek operator
or purely practical?

But a Dalek operator is sitting down inside the Dalek. ;-)

--
*Lawyers believe a man is innocent until proven broke.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
But that isn't important. The only thing that matters is that they're
English.

Didn't happen when I was at school, my French teacher was pakistani
couldn't understand him whatever language he spoke.

Now if he'd been your English teacher, would have explained everything.

--
*The closest I ever got to a 4.0 in school was my blood alcohol content*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
Do you think people should be employed because of the colour of their
skin, their religion, where they live, what they believe ,how they
dress, the colour of their eyes or hair or because they can do the job
being asked to be done ?

It might depend on what the job involves. Mind you, that probably is
covered under "because they can do the job being asked to be done".

But that isn't important. The only thing that matters is that they're
English.

that's you and me out of it then ;-)

We've been out of it for years. ;-) The job market, that is.

--
*Gun Control: Use both hands.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:29:31 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
T i m wrote:
In the exact same vein a mate ripped one of my CV's to shreds because
I mentioned that I was 6'2" tall. He asked why I thought my height was
relevant, unless I was applying for a role as a Dalek operator. ;-)

Would it be hightest to not accept me in the role of 'Dalek operator
or purely practical?

But a Dalek operator is sitting down inside the Dalek. ;-)

Hehe. Ok, what about the role as an 'Ewok'? ;-)

Cheers, T i m