friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

TIA
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jim wrote:

the elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug... Is that allowed?

RS wouldn't sell a similar cable if it wasn't

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-cable-assemblies/8188912

Of course the plug's strain relief might struggle to clamp them properly
unless both cables are quite slim, the igniter one may well be, but I
doubt the oven one is.

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:19:35 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

jim wrote:

the elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug... Is that allowed?

RS wouldn't sell a similar cable if it wasn't

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-cable-assemblies/8188912

Of course the plug's strain relief might struggle to clamp them properly
unless both cables are quite slim, the igniter one may well be, but I
doubt the oven one is.

You used to able to get a plug top that had four flex outlets ,was a
useful gadget for use with a load of HI FI separates or in later years
a computer with separate printer etc.

Micromark was one make, looked much the same as the one on this site.
http://www.kenable.co.uk/product_inf...oducts_id=3632

where the supplier lists appliances that they don't recommend using it
with including cookers anyway.
It is also out of stock as were the few other examples I found on the
WWW. whether that is because they have gone of fashion and don't sell
or because they now break some reg I don't know.
Someone is selling one on ebay but say they bought some time ago.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Masterplug...AOSwMgdXzIT M

Mine which was a Micromark branded example was fine for the the
computer I used it on , all the terminals were cable in to hole held
by screw type and a small a cable clamp for each flex, but you would
have struggled to get a cable suitable a cooker load into it neatly.

G.Harman

On 11/09/2016 12:21, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:19:35 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

jim wrote:

the elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug... Is that allowed?

RS wouldn't sell a similar cable if it wasn't

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-cable-assemblies/8188912

Of course the plug's strain relief might struggle to clamp them properly
unless both cables are quite slim, the igniter one may well be, but I
doubt the oven one is.

You used to able to get a plug top that had four flex outlets ,was a
useful gadget for use with a load of HI FI separates or in later years
a computer with separate printer etc.

Micromark was one make, looked much the same as the one on this site.
http://www.kenable.co.uk/product_inf...oducts_id=3632

where the supplier lists appliances that they don't recommend using it
with including cookers anyway.
It is also out of stock as were the few other examples I found on the
WWW. whether that is because they have gone of fashion and don't sell
or because they now break some reg I don't know.
Someone is selling one on ebay but say they bought some time ago.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Masterplug...AOSwMgdXzIT M

Mine which was a Micromark branded example was fine for the the
computer I used it on , all the terminals were cable in to hole held
by screw type and a small a cable clamp for each flex, but you would
have struggled to get a cable suitable a cooker load into it neatly.


Looks like a good idea - was there some manner of individual fuse
arrangement. Mind, 3A would probably cover most home media set-ups I'd
have thought.

--
Cheers, Rob

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:39:07 +0100, RJH wrote:


Mine which was a Micromark branded example was fine for the the
computer I used it on , all the terminals were cable in to hole held
by screw type and a small a cable clamp for each flex,

Looks like a good idea - was there some manner of individual fuse
arrangement. Mind, 3A would probably cover most home media set-ups I'd
have thought.

It only had the one fuse for all the combined load.

G.Harman

On 11/09/2016 11:19, Andy Burns wrote:
jim wrote:

the elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug... Is that allowed?

RS wouldn't sell a similar cable if it wasn't

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-cable-assemblies/8188912

Of course the plug's strain relief might struggle to clamp them properly
unless both cables are quite slim, the igniter one may well be, but I
doubt the oven one is.

Looks to me that there is only one set of wires in that plug the
splitting into two being done at the box 'mid'cable.
However I think that two wires into one plug should be OK but like
yourself wonder about the plugs strain relief system

soup wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-cable-assemblies/8188912

Looks to me that there is only one set of wires in that plug the
splitting into two being done at the box 'mid'cable.

Topologically equivalent.

On 11/09/2016 17:47, Andy Burns wrote:
soup wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-cable-assemblies/8188912

Looks to me that there is only one set of wires in that plug the
splitting into two being done at the box 'mid'cable.

Topologically equivalent.

Twisting wires together and wrapping in insulation tape is topologically
the same as using a junction box... that does not mean its acceptable!


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 11-Sep-16 10:56 AM, jim wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

Do you need to ask?

The igniter won't use much electricity. So, if there is room for both
cables inside the plug, it may work okay.



I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

TIA

In article ,
jim k writes:
friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

It's outside the intended design usage of the plug, so it's really
down to how well it's been assembled. If the wiring fits in the
plug and the top fixes on properly, conductors fit in the terminals,
cord grip is gripping both cable sheaths, etc, then it would be OK.
As with any high current appliance, a good quality plug should be
used in any case.

A 13A fuse protecting the ignitor flex would also be seomthing
else to consider - it is probably OK if the lead is short.

I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

Well, no one else cam usefully comment on that.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article , jim k wrote:
friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

Allowed or not, it wasn't uncommon when I wur a lad in the days of just
one or 2 13A sockets per room - e.g. my granddad had his radiogram and
table lamp wired into the same plug...

In these enlightened days, who wires their own plugs now?

Gordon

On 11-Sep-16 11:54 AM, Gordon Henderson wrote:
In article , jim k wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

Allowed or not, it wasn't uncommon when I wur a lad in the days of just
one or 2 13A sockets per room - e.g. my granddad had his radiogram and
table lamp wired into the same plug...

In these enlightened days, who wires their own plugs now?

The items may have come with plugs on, but these were removed to allow
the cables to be threaded through. Then, the fitter could buy one plug
and bodge it, or two plugs and an adapter.

In message , Gordon Henderson
writes
In article , jim k wrote:

Is that allowed?

Allowed or not, it wasn't uncommon when I wur a lad in the days of just
one or 2 13A sockets per room - e.g. my granddad had his radiogram and
table lamp wired into the same plug...

Agreed. Our house, when I was a child, was built 1953/54 with minimal
room sockets. When I was a little older, I wired a lot of stuff two to
a plug.
--
Graeme

Graeme wrote:

Our house, when I was a child, was built 1953/54 with minimal
room sockets. When I was a little older, I wired a lot of stuff two to
a plug.

Double adapters plugged into triple adapters not good enough for you? :-P

In message , Andy Burns
writes
Graeme wrote:

Our house, when I was a child, was built 1953/54 with minimal
room sockets. When I was a little older, I wired a lot of stuff two to
a plug.

Double adapters plugged into triple adapters not good enough for you? :-P

Oh, I've done that, but two cables into one plug could be done with zero
outlay :-)
--
Graeme

On 11/09/2016 14:04, Graeme wrote:
In message , Andy Burns
writes
Graeme wrote:

Our house, when I was a child, was built 1953/54 with minimal
room sockets. When I was a little older, I wired a lot of stuff two to
a plug.

Double adapters plugged into triple adapters not good enough for you? :-P

Oh, I've done that, but two cables into one plug could be done with zero
outlay :-)


The big thing I remember an aunt of mine had .. was an adapter she
plugged into ceiling light which allowed you to plug 'power' items in as
well as the bulb .... she used it to run her electric iron !

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:59:02 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Graeme wrote:

Our house, when I was a child, was built 1953/54 with minimal
room sockets. When I was a little older, I wired a lot of stuff two to
a plug.

Double adapters plugged into triple adapters not good enough for you? :-P


At a school near home some of the teachers accommodation was in a
wooden framed building clad in galvanized iron and apparently was very
cold in winter They also did not have to pay for their electric.
.. An electrician mate of my dad was called in to replace some wiring
after some smoke had been seen coming out from some cabling and a
burning smell.

He found in a teachers room 1x15 amp leading to 8x 5amp adapters of a
type that could be plugged in end on with a diagonal branch off with
about 6 ancient fires plugged in. The end of the line adapters was
supported on some books to stop it tilting down.
Presumbly this master was not one of the physics teachers but OTOH
having met some of the burkes there I wouldn't have been surprised.


G.Harman

In article , damduck-
writes
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:59:02 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Graeme wrote:

Our house, when I was a child, was built 1953/54 with minimal
room sockets. When I was a little older, I wired a lot of stuff two to
a plug.

Double adapters plugged into triple adapters not good enough for you? :-P


At a school near home some of the teachers accommodation was in a
wooden framed building clad in galvanized iron and apparently was very
cold in winter They also did not have to pay for their electric.
. An electrician mate of my dad was called in to replace some wiring
after some smoke had been seen coming out from some cabling and a
burning smell.

He found in a teachers room 1x15 amp leading to 8x 5amp adapters of a
type that could be plugged in end on with a diagonal branch off with
about 6 ancient fires plugged in. The end of the line adapters was
supported on some books to stop it tilting down.
Presumbly this master was not one of the physics teachers but OTOH
having met some of the burkes there I wouldn't have been surprised.


G.Harman
Saw this setup at the London Piano Museum (near Kew Bridge Pumping
Station) many Years ago. I commented on it and was told "-it's OK, I'm
an electrician"
--
Chris Holford

jim pretended :
friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I cannot think of any regulation preventing it, assuming the two cables
fit OK and I have used that exact same method as a temporary solution
for the same two items myself. That was in a single socket, where there
was no space for a double adaptor. I have now replaced the single
socket with a double. It might make it a bit awkward to service those
items though, if the plug had to be removed to take one out.


I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

That has no bearing on the matter.

Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
jim pretended :
friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I cannot think of any regulation preventing it, assuming the two cables
fit OK and I have used that exact same method as a temporary solution
for the same two items myself. That was in a single socket, where there
was no space for a double adaptor. I have now replaced the single
socket with a double. It might make it a bit awkward to service those
items though, if the plug had to be removed to take one out.


Agreed.


I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

That has no bearing on the matter.


except precluding the easy addition of another socket - a spur
off a spur...

--
Jim K


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"jim" k wrote in message
o.uk...
Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
jim pretended :
friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I cannot think of any regulation preventing it, assuming the two cables
fit OK and I have used that exact same method as a temporary solution
for the same two items myself. That was in a single socket, where there
was no space for a double adaptor. I have now replaced the single
socket with a double. It might make it a bit awkward to service those
items though, if the plug had to be removed to take one out.


Agreed.


I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

That has no bearing on the matter.


except precluding the easy addition of another socket - a spur
off a spur...


Which can be perfectly safe and is nothing more than a deviation from 7671.

What is the max load of the oven and the max load of the w/m?

--
Adam

On 11/09/2016 14:54, ARW wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
o.uk...
Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
jim pretended :
friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I cannot think of any regulation preventing it, assuming the two cables
fit OK and I have used that exact same method as a temporary solution
for the same two items myself. That was in a single socket, where there
was no space for a double adaptor. I have now replaced the single
socket with a double. It might make it a bit awkward to service those
items though, if the plug had to be removed to take one out.


Agreed.


I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

That has no bearing on the matter.


except precluding the easy addition of another socket - a spur
off a spur...


Which can be perfectly safe and is nothing more than a deviation from 7671.

What is the max load of the oven and the max load of the w/m?


More than 13A I'd have thought - that's the main issue here?

--
Cheers, Rob

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:56:16 +0100 (GMT+01:00), jim k wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

TIA

I was thinking back about this recently.

I spent the first two decades of my working life as a TV repair tech
for Granada TV Rentals. Throughout the 70s and 80s
Often a room would have a single outlet.
It was very common for the TV to share a plug with a table lamp etc,
and the VHF distribution systems in Salford's high rise council
estates required a mains powered converter box. We weren't provided
with 2 or 3 way block adapters and 4 way trailing sockets were not
widely available and were probably expensive.
Later of course VHS machines arrived needing power.

So doubling up on a plug, whilst not seen as ideal, was accepted
practice.

Then, at some point probably in the early 80's we were provided with
a stock of what we called the "Granada Safety Connector"
I think I may have an example in the garage, I'll post a photo later
if I find it.
It was an enclosed terminal strip with a common neutral and earth, but
two lives each with a BS1362 fuse, 3 or 5 amp as appropriate.
I think they were made by MK. The cord grips were fibre, they were
reasonably good but not immune to being over tightened, The shell was
secured with two nuts & bolts on opposite corners. Neither was
captive, nor shake proof so they could work loose, and get lost.

I always felt this was paying lip service to safety, and the so-called
safety connector was actually less safe than two wires in a plug,
particularly because the plugs we used were those excellent MK ones
with the large knurled terminal nuts.

One issue with either setup was when the TV started to billow smoke as
they often did, how did farther manage to carry it outside without
tripping over the heavy top-loader VHS hard-wired to it? :-)



--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article ,
Graham. wrote:
I spent the first two decades of my working life as a TV repair tech
for Granada TV Rentals. Throughout the 70s and 80s
Often a room would have a single outlet.
It was very common for the TV to share a plug with a table lamp etc,
and the VHF distribution systems in Salford's high rise council
estates required a mains powered converter box. We weren't provided
with 2 or 3 way block adapters and 4 way trailing sockets were not
widely available and were probably expensive.
Later of course VHS machines arrived needing power.

The real problem in those days is flexes for things like table lamps were
often very thin. And everyone only used 13 amp fuses. I've seen such flex
get quite badly damaged (with a fault) before the fuse blew. And could
possibly start a fire.

These days most appliance flexes are capable of blowing a 13 amp fuse
safely.

--
*It ain't the size, it's... er... no, it IS ..the size.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:50:57 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Graham. wrote:
I spent the first two decades of my working life as a TV repair tech
for Granada TV Rentals. Throughout the 70s and 80s
Often a room would have a single outlet.
It was very common for the TV to share a plug with a table lamp etc,
and the VHF distribution systems in Salford's high rise council
estates required a mains powered converter box. We weren't provided
with 2 or 3 way block adapters and 4 way trailing sockets were not
widely available and were probably expensive.
Later of course VHS machines arrived needing power.

The real problem in those days is flexes for things like table lamps were
often very thin. And everyone only used 13 amp fuses. I've seen such flex
get quite badly damaged (with a fault) before the fuse blew. And could
possibly start a fire.

These days most appliance flexes are capable of blowing a 13 amp fuse
safely.


I one saw a 3kW electric fire.
Extended with bell wire.
With a badly made tape join.
Under a carpet.




--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article ,
Graham. wrote:
These days most appliance flexes are capable of blowing a 13 amp fuse
safely.


I one saw a 3kW electric fire.
Extended with bell wire.
With a badly made tape join.
Under a carpet.


Ah. Early underfloor heating, then?

--
*PMS jokes aren't funny; period.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

The real problem in those days is flexes for things like table lamps were
often very thin. And everyone only used 13 amp fuses.

Both true. Table lamp cables were either thin 'twisted pair' or figure
of eight 'bell wire'. It was years before I realised plug fuses could
be anything other than 13 amp. Well, except the special socket for a
mantle piece clock. Remember them?

Interesting to note that, however many more sockets are installed,
sockets never quite keep up with plugs. Our bedroom has a double socket
on either side of the bed. Clock/radio, phone, mobile/kindle chargers,
two lamps equals seven plugs. Our two table lamps, even now, share one
plug, but not with a 13 amp fuse!

--
Graeme

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:09:49 +0100, Graeme
wrote:

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

The real problem in those days is flexes for things like table lamps were
often very thin. And everyone only used 13 amp fuses.

Both true. Table lamp cables were either thin 'twisted pair' or figure
of eight 'bell wire'. It was years before I realised plug fuses could
be anything other than 13 amp. Well, except the special socket for a
mantle piece clock. Remember them?


Round Wylex or square MK?


--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:21:52 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:09:49 +0100, Graeme
wrote:

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

The real problem in those days is flexes for things like table lamps were
often very thin. And everyone only used 13 amp fuses.

Both true. Table lamp cables were either thin 'twisted pair' or figure
of eight 'bell wire'. It was years before I realised plug fuses could
be anything other than 13 amp. Well, except the special socket for a
mantle piece clock. Remember them?


Round Wylex or square MK?

I presume he means the 2A three pin?

They are still carried by Toolstation or Screwfix. Oddly enough they
only did the plugs when I was after some recently. I wanted dedicated
sockets for LED lighting, they were cheap enough to buy, but in the
end I went to a company in Northern Ireland [Meteor] who were the only
people carrying a 2A plug and socket at less than a fiver for the
pair.


AB

In message , Graham.
writes
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:09:49 +0100, Graeme
wrote:

Well, except the special socket for a
mantle piece clock. Remember them?

Round Wylex or square MK?

It was a long time ago! I vaguely remember brown Bakelite, square or
slightly oblong, so probably MK. Small 1amp fuse?
--
Graeme

On Sunday, 11 September 2016 12:51:09 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Graham. wrote:

I spent the first two decades of my working life as a TV repair tech
for Granada TV Rentals. Throughout the 70s and 80s
Often a room would have a single outlet.
It was very common for the TV to share a plug with a table lamp etc,
and the VHF distribution systems in Salford's high rise council
estates required a mains powered converter box. We weren't provided
with 2 or 3 way block adapters and 4 way trailing sockets were not
widely available and were probably expensive.
Later of course VHS machines arrived needing power.

The real problem in those days is flexes for things like table lamps were
often very thin. And everyone only used 13 amp fuses. I've seen such flex
get quite badly damaged (with a fault) before the fuse blew. And could
possibly start a fire.

These days most appliance flexes are capable of blowing a 13 amp fuse
safely.

I certainly used 3A fuses where appropriate. The flimsy flexes of the day needed them, ditto many appliances. But I remember the state of electrics generally back then. One eatery had a row of mains plugs with ill fitting covers sellotaped on, many with no cordgrips. Another had wall lights on bellwire draped over the edge of the table with a nice uncovered choc block connector for the curious kiddies to poke etc. Bare unguarded heaters were common - as a kid I used to poke various things into the red hot live element. And lots of by then often dodgy round pin systems still in use. Bare wires above bulbholders, switches that sat arcing etc. Twist & tape was standard practice.

The oldest install I've seen in the flesh was I think from the 1910s. A fairly large shop with a total of 4 lights on the ceiling, cast iron switchfuses with no fusebox, and what looked like paper insulated cabling. The display of goods was equally dated, just one massive pile of random furniture, if you wanted something the shopkeeper would try to get it out for you! Mad.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
I certainly used 3A fuses where appropriate. The flimsy flexes of the
day needed them, ditto many appliances.

Yes. But you're a sensible bloke. Many neither know nor care about using
the correct fuse - as long as it doesn't blow.

--
*I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Granada were a bit slow off the mark were they not? A rapid rethink of
the supply source came about with the Phillips G11. Many had no print
left on the reccies and smoothers only a month or so into the
"warranty" period.

With a brief supply interruption seeing off the supply rectifiers
every time, the customer practice of filling the plugs to capacity and
beyond had to stop, we adopted the practice of removing everything but
the TV cable.

I really used to dread Xmas incidentally, when the tree lights woud be
added to the monstrosity coming out of the 5A Clix Patent!


AB





On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:41:31 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:56:16 +0100 (GMT+01:00), jim k wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

TIA

I was thinking back about this recently.

I spent the first two decades of my working life as a TV repair tech
for Granada TV Rentals. Throughout the 70s and 80s
Often a room would have a single outlet.
It was very common for the TV to share a plug with a table lamp etc,
and the VHF distribution systems in Salford's high rise council
estates required a mains powered converter box. We weren't provided
with 2 or 3 way block adapters and 4 way trailing sockets were not
widely available and were probably expensive.
Later of course VHS machines arrived needing power.

So doubling up on a plug, whilst not seen as ideal, was accepted
practice.

Then, at some point probably in the early 80's we were provided with
a stock of what we called the "Granada Safety Connector"
I think I may have an example in the garage, I'll post a photo later
if I find it.
It was an enclosed terminal strip with a common neutral and earth, but
two lives each with a BS1362 fuse, 3 or 5 amp as appropriate.
I think they were made by MK. The cord grips were fibre, they were
reasonably good but not immune to being over tightened, The shell was
secured with two nuts & bolts on opposite corners. Neither was
captive, nor shake proof so they could work loose, and get lost.

I always felt this was paying lip service to safety, and the so-called
safety connector was actually less safe than two wires in a plug,
particularly because the plugs we used were those excellent MK ones
with the large knurled terminal nuts.

One issue with either setup was when the TV started to billow smoke as
they often did, how did farther manage to carry it outside without
tripping over the heavy top-loader VHS hard-wired to it? :-)

On Sunday, 11 September 2016 10:56:16 UTC+1, jim wrote:
friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

TIA

No reg prohibits it that I've seen. You can buy new plugs intended to take 4 flexes, made to EN something or other. As long as both can be properly cordgripped and suitably fused, all is well.


NT

On 11/09/16 10:56, jim wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I wouldn't think so.

I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

TIA



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On 11/09/2016 10:56, jim wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

Much depends on the details... if the plug can adequately terminate and
provide strain relief for both flexes, then possibly. However you would
need to consider if the (presumably) thinner flex for the igniter will
have adequate fault protection from the (likely) 13A fuse in the plug.

(assuming its a modern flex, has not been extended, and there are no
specific fusing requirements in the oven makers specifications, then
chances are it will be fine)


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On 12/09/2016 01:32, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/09/2016 10:56, jim wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

Much depends on the details... if the plug can adequately terminate and
provide strain relief for both flexes, then possibly. However you would
need to consider if the (presumably) thinner flex for the igniter will
have adequate fault protection from the (likely) 13A fuse in the plug.

(assuming its a modern flex, has not been extended, and there are no
specific fusing requirements in the oven makers specifications, then
chances are it will be fine)



I wouldn't run my oven on a plug, it can take 3.6kW and I expect it can
do that for a while while cleaning.

It comes with a plug on the flex to plug into the oven with bare ends.

On 12/09/2016 17:38, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/09/2016 01:32, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/09/2016 10:56, jim wrote:

friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

Much depends on the details... if the plug can adequately terminate and
provide strain relief for both flexes, then possibly. However you would
need to consider if the (presumably) thinner flex for the igniter will
have adequate fault protection from the (likely) 13A fuse in the plug.

(assuming its a modern flex, has not been extended, and there are no
specific fusing requirements in the oven makers specifications, then
chances are it will be fine)



I wouldn't run my oven on a plug, it can take 3.6kW and I expect it can
do that for a while while cleaning.

Many single ovens fitted with a 13A plug by the manufacturer only draw a
maximum of around 2.2kW.

Double ovens will take more, and are intended to be hard wired to an
appropriate cooker point.

It comes with a plug on the flex to plug into the oven with bare ends.

I don't really understand that sentence!

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Probably not, seems a bit odd when you can get some nice extension cables
with fuse and then you can have both items fused as well.
Brian

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friend has rented a place, in a kitchen cupboard, there's a
double socket, washing machine plugged into 1. The other has the
elec oven & the ignitor for the gas hob both wired into the same
plug...

Is that allowed?

I presume the double socket is spurred off the ring.

TIA
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