Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
.... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not something
like a bobcat or similar

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:21:34 +0100, rick wrote:

Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo ... but how well will that
work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical diameter between 6 and 8 " ....
assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m
wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not something
like a bobcat or similar

Try and dig the first one out by hand?

We took down a huge Leylandii when we first moved in and found it to be
very shallow rooted so getting the stump and the main roots out was
(relatively) easy. This tree was considerably more than 6-8" diameter.

That trefoil looks fun, but does rely on something pretty big as the main
post. It also looks to be pulling upwards; I would think that you could
tear out most of the stumps by leaving a taller trunk and pulling more
sideways.

Another option (depending on access and the potential for collateral
damage) would be to hire a mini digger for the day and use the small
bucket just to grub them out.

Cheers


Dave R


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On 10/08/16 12:21, rick wrote:
Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
.... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


3. Cut flush with ground with chain or bowsaw.
Light fire on top.
Leave to smoulder two weeks.

I had some. They are LONG GONE.



The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not something
like a bobcat or similar


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all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

On 10/08/16 12:33, David wrote:
Another option (depending on access and the potential for collateral
damage) would be to hire a mini digger for the day and use the small
bucket just to grub them out.

Done that with bigger stumps than Leylandii.

Good if you want to get the soil prepped up for replanting


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all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

On Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:41:36 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
3. Cut flush with ground with chain or bowsaw.
Light fire on top.
Leave to smoulder two weeks.

If they're sufficiently far from the house the first step can be omitted. They burn nicely.

Owain

rick wrote:
Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m
wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not
something like a bobcat or similar
Get a man in with a really big stump grider and chipper. Saves
a lot of effort. Alternatively, do what we did and have the Leylandi
cut off at 6 ft, kill the remainder with professional tree stump killer
and rotavate the ground between the stumps to allow for the planting of
Laurels. The Laurels were about £22 each for bushy 4 ft tall plants at
todays prices and were in 20L? containers. Plants Galore supplied them.
They have established well, with no failures. Cost about £2K in total
IIRC. I had to lay a drip watering hose across the Laurels in the first
year as the weather was dry. The Leylandi were used as the mounting
posts for a chain link fence, this was the reason for retaining the
stumps. I reckon they will rot out in less than 20 years and be replaced
with Metpost mounted wooden units. Our Leylandi were on a .7M Bank,
behind a brick retained raised bed. Sounds similar. The method outlined
did not disturb the soil at all as the tree roots are not touched much
at all. Laurels have all the characteristics of slow growing weeds and
are now up to about 5,5 ft providing a perfect screen!

rick wrote:
Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii

Sorry, forgot to say prices were for 30M.

Dynamite perhaps

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"rick" wrote in message
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Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s chain
saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to removal
of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m
wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not something
like a bobcat or similar

In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Dynamite perhaps

Brian

I was thinking the same, there used to be a BBC2 trade test video, in
the days before 24/7 TV, that showed stump removal with explosives.
ANFO may be better though not quite so fast, so less worry that you may
drop a stump on the neighbours. If you go down this route may we come
and watch?
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On 10/08/2016 12:33, David wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:21:34 +0100, rick wrote:

Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)


Try and dig the first one out by hand?


Leave about 2 metres of trunk above the ground. This makes it easier to
apply some lateral force on the stump. if you cut them to ground
level then without a JCB, a stump grinder may be necessary.

Also wait for some heavy rain to soften the soil. Leylandii are
notorious for sucking all the moisture out of the soil and
leaving it like concrete.

Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:
Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m
wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not
something like a bobcat or similar
Get a man in with a really big stump grider and chipper. Saves
a lot of effort. Alternatively, do what we did and have the Leylandi
cut off at 6 ft, kill the remainder with professional tree stump killer

Not necessary, they'll die anyway, Leylandii don't regrow from old
wood at all. We have cut several down like this and they really do
just die. If left long enough the stumps are *very* easy to pull out
because they are no longer alive.

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On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 12:21:38 PM UTC+1, rick wrote:
Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not something
like a bobcat or similar

We had four Leylandii about 16ft high in our front garden. I cut them down to 1.5m and a chap with a JCB redoing the pavements in the street reached over the fence with the backhoe and pushed them out. Took minutes, cost peanuts.

A row of smaller ones between us and the neighbours went the same way thanks to a local builder with a mini digger working a few doors down.

I don't know what the reach of a backhoe is but if it's possible to knock them out this way, I would spend the money on that rather than the aggravation of hiring/using a stump grinder.

In fact, I'd look at hiring a long reach excavator if that's what's necessary to teach the *******s who's boss. I hate Leylandii.

On 8/10/2016 12:33 PM, David wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:21:34 +0100, rick wrote:


Try and dig the first one out by hand?

I could I guess .. but there are more than a 100 of these.




Another option (depending on access and the potential for collateral
damage) would be to hire a mini digger

no option on using a digger - no access

On 8/10/2016 12:41 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

3. Cut flush with ground with chain or bowsaw.
Light fire on top.
Leave to smoulder two weeks.

I had some. They are LONG GONE.



Not an option for 100+ trees

On 8/10/2016 1:00 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:


Get a man in with a really big stump grider and chipper.

not possible due to access

rotavate the ground between the stumps to allow for the planting of
Laurels.


My problem is what I want to plant (looked at 3 varieties) needs 3-5
plants per metre ... with the stumps at 300 centres very little room
left for planting.
The hedge compnies report poor success when people have left stumps in
..........which was my original idea

On 8/10/2016 1:08 PM, Brian Gaff wrote:
Dynamite perhaps

Brian



I'm qualified to use PE4 & det cord .... but not really an option, might
get me a visit from MI5

On 8/10/2016 2:00 PM, Andrew wrote:
On 10/08/2016 12:33, David wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:21:34 +0100, rick wrote:

Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)


Try and dig the first one out by hand?


Leave about 2 metres of trunk above the ground. This makes it easier to
apply some lateral force on the stump. if you cut them to ground
level then without a JCB, a stump grinder may be necessary.

Also wait for some heavy rain to soften the soil. Leylandii are
notorious for sucking all the moisture out of the soil and
leaving it like concrete.


If I use a winch that is approach I think might work

On 10/08/16 16:18, rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 12:41 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

3. Cut flush with ground with chain or bowsaw.
Light fire on top.
Leave to smoulder two weeks.

I had some. They are LONG GONE.



Not an option for 100+ trees

Now he tells us its 100+ trees and there is no access.
chainsaw + light remains.


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On 8/10/2016 2:31 PM, mike wrote:
don't know what the reach of a backhoe is but if it's possible to
knock them out this way, I would spend the money on that rather than the
aggravation of hiring/using a stump grinder.

In fact, I'd look at hiring a long reach excavator if that's what's necessary to teach the *******s who's boss. I hate Leylandii.


As per OP .. there is no option to get in a machine .... have a nice new
stone patio my side of wall ... so not putting machine on it .... and
other side of bank is a 25' drop to a filed ..... too steep to put a
machine on. (even if I did have access) ... it is also heavily wooded

On 8/10/2016 4:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Now he tells us its 100+ trees and there is no access.
chainsaw + light remains.




I did say in OP that it is "45m run of double staggered Leylandii"
which is going to more than 100 trees

and in OP that there is no access for bobcat or similar


So far I have option to try to pull out - but never tried it (hence
video link)
Or a stump grinder - but may be take a long time - (long hire time)


I just tried eBay ... wow the Tirfor winches go for very high prices
..... guess the Landrover market keeps price up.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/08/16 16:18, rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 12:41 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

3. Cut flush with ground with chain or bowsaw.
Light fire on top.
Leave to smoulder two weeks.

I had some. They are LONG GONE.



Not an option for 100+ trees

Now he tells us its 100+ trees and there is no access.
chainsaw + light remains.

45 metres of double row hedge. Doesn't take a genius to work out that that
is quite a lot of trees.

Also said that digger access wasn't possible in original post. Time for new
reading glasses methinks.

Tim

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rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 1:00 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:


Get a man in with a really big stump grider and chipper.

not possible due to access

rotavate the ground between the stumps to allow for the planting of
Laurels.


My problem is what I want to plant (looked at 3 varieties) needs 3-5
plants per metre ... with the stumps at 300 centres very little room
left for planting.
The hedge compnies report poor success when people have left stumps in
.........which was my original idea
300mm? My new hedge has no problems but the plants were big and
the ground prepared befor planting. Watering was essential. As I said,
Laurels are like weeds and grow just about anywhere.

rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 2:00 PM, Andrew wrote:
On 10/08/2016 12:33, David wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:21:34 +0100, rick wrote:

Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant
them)


Try and dig the first one out by hand?


Leave about 2 metres of trunk above the ground. This makes it easier to
apply some lateral force on the stump. if you cut them to ground
level then without a JCB, a stump grinder may be necessary.

Also wait for some heavy rain to soften the soil. Leylandii are
notorious for sucking all the moisture out of the soil and
leaving it like concrete.


If I use a winch that is approach I think might work

What's the chance that you destroy the brick wall?

On 8/10/2016 4:56 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 2:00 PM, Andrew wrote:


If I use a winch that is approach I think might work

What's the chance that you destroy the brick wall?



By using winch - think I'm OK ... I built wall 1m in front of bank,
filled first 1m with stone (& French drain, all wrapped in Terram ...
and then soil on top .... trees were in the bank behind .... so hoping
majority of root is in the bank.
With a winch taking it slowly ... I 'may' be OK

However if people with experience think not then I will go the stump
grinder option.

On 8/10/2016 4:55 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 1:00 PM, Capitol wrote:


Laurels are like weeds and grow just about anywhere.


I think of my Leylandii like that :-)

On 8/10/2016 12:21 PM, rick wrote:



Just reached out to a firm that specialises in stump removal - lets see
what they charge

rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 4:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Now he tells us its 100+ trees and there is no access.
chainsaw + light remains.




I did say in OP that it is "45m run of double staggered Leylandii"
which is going to more than 100 trees

and in OP that there is no access for bobcat or similar


So far I have option to try to pull out - but never tried it (hence
video link)
Or a stump grinder - but may be take a long time - (long hire time)


I just tried eBay ... wow the Tirfor winches go for very high prices
.... guess the Landrover market keeps price up.


I just can't see pulling these trees out without a lot of
ground damage and massive force. I'd cut them off at ground level and
settle down to digging holes big enough to plant in, in a single row
between the stumps. Laurels have more lateral spread, so you won't need
two rows. If desperate, buy smaller plants and use a post hole borer
SDS? It'll just take a few more years to establish, but water well and
add compost.

rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 4:55 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 1:00 PM, Capitol wrote:


Laurels are like weeds and grow just about anywhere.


I think of my Leylandii like that :-)


Welcome to the bitter experience club!

rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 4:56 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 2:00 PM, Andrew wrote:


If I use a winch that is approach I think might work

What's the chance that you destroy the brick wall?



By using winch - think I'm OK ... I built wall 1m in front of bank,
filled first 1m with stone (& French drain, all wrapped in Terram ...
and then soil on top .... trees were in the bank behind .... so hoping
majority of root is in the bank.
With a winch taking it slowly ... I 'may' be OK

However if people with experience think not then I will go the stump
grinder option.

How are you getting rid of the cuttings?

rick wrote:

Just reached out to a firm

shudder

On 8/10/2016 5:10 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:
On 8/10/2016 4:56 PM, Capitol wrote:
rick wrote:

How are you getting rid of the cuttings?


Probably local recycling centre ... they have skips for green waste

Probably just leave pulled stumps other side of the bank, they can roll
down bank till they stop at a tree :-)

On 8/10/2016 5:08 PM, Capitol wrote:
I just can't see pulling these trees out without a lot of ground
damage and massive force. I'd cut them off at ground level and settle
down to digging holes big enough to plant in, in a single row between
the stumps. Laurels have more lateral spread, so you won't need two
rows. If desperate, buy smaller plants and use a post hole borer SDS?
It'll just take a few more years to establish, but water well and add
compost.


I don't want to use Laurels as "is not suitable for seaside gardens"
and I live 500m form the sea.
I will use either
Oleaster – https://www.hedgesdirect.co.uk/acatalog/oleaster.html

Griselinia -
https://www.hedgesdirect.co.uk/acata...ittoralis.html



My original idea was to cut them to just below ground level and plant
new hedge between - avoid any stump removal (not something I really want
to do)....but advice from Hedge suppliers and RHS is that this is
unlikely to be successful.
You can't plant new hedge close enough ( at least 5 per M) the stump
will be in the way ... and the side spread of roots means you will have
difficult getting roost of new hedge established.

In article ,
says...

Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

I watched that video.

He seemed to be pulling up twigs.

He also didn't seem to have thought about what would
happen if that chain snapped when under tension - i.e.
travel quite quickly through the space he was occupying.

Darwin Award candidiate.

"Andrew" wrote in message
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On 10/08/2016 12:33, David wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:21:34 +0100, rick wrote:

Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)


Try and dig the first one out by hand?


Leave about 2 metres of trunk above the ground. This makes it easier to
apply some lateral force on the stump. if you cut them to ground
level then without a JCB, a stump grinder may be necessary.

Also wait for some heavy rain to soften the soil.

Makes more sense to soak the area with a hose.

Leylandii are notorious for sucking all the moisture out of the soil and
leaving it like concrete.

"Sam Plusnet" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

I watched that video.

He seemed to be pulling up twigs.

Bull**** he is. Have a look at the stumps when out of the ground.

He also didn't seem to have thought about what would
happen if that chain snapped when under tension - i.e.
travel quite quickly through the space he was occupying.

That sort of chain doesn't do that. The most that might
happen is the chain slips on the stump being removed
and that would just be a nuisance, not a safety problem.

Darwin Award candidiate.

Nope.

The main downside with his approach is that you do need
a decent tree etc to attach the comealong to.

On Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:21:38 UTC+1, rick wrote:
Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not something
like a bobcat or similar

You can treat stumps with a special fungus that rots them away.
https://permies.com/t/10388/woodland...-stump-removal

On Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:21:38 UTC+1, rick wrote:
Have 45m run of double staggered Leylandii .... (no I didn't plant them)

Want to remove and plant something better ... I can obvioulsy use s
chain saw and cut down to a stump, there seems to be 2 main options to
removal of the remainder.

1. Pull out stump with a trefoil such as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjqEC_FWqo
... but how well will that work on 20 yr old Leylandii .... typical
diameter between 6 and 8 " .... assume roots will be extensive

2. Hire a stump grinder .... HSS have a 6HP model :
http://www.hss.com/hire/p/portable-stump-chipper

or do I need something beefier such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEh...ature=youtu.be


The trees are on a raised bank about 1.5m above ground behind a 1.2m wall.
I can put a ramp to wheel up a 'portable' grinder .... but not something
like a bobcat or similar

The other way is to light a fire round the stump and "fan" it with leaf blower.

On 8/10/2016 6:53 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
rick wrote:

Just reached out to a firm

shudder



£450 a day ... and estimates 3-4 days that is with stump grinder.

On 8/11/2016 9:11 AM, harry wrote:


The other way is to light a fire round the stump and "fan" it with leaf blower.



As per previous response setting fire to 100+ stumps id not an option.
Last time I tried burning out a stump it took days, and still left all
the serious sized roots behind - just too green to burn.

rick wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

rick wrote:

Just reached out to a firm

shudder

£450 a day ... and estimates 3-4 days that is with stump grinder.

I was shuddering at the phrase, but I think I would at the price too.