I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a different
style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a tumble dryer. So
I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

On 13/05/2016 15:44, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

If you take any notice of the Yanks, its still a bathroom even if only
ever built containing a long drop bog!

Mike

Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a different
style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a tumble dryer. So
I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

AFAIK the definition of "bathroom" has nothing to do with it. It's the
distance between electrical and water fittings that's important and
covered by the regulations. There are precisely measured "zones" around
water fittings, and restrictions on what you can have electrically
within those zones.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On Fri, 13 May 2016 15:44:37 +0100, Bert Coules wrote:

If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

You need to look up the zones.

http://www.aboutelectricity.co.uk/im...al-charts-and-
tables/bathroomzonediagram.jpg

Sounds more like a kitchen without a cooker to me.
I think being less silly, if you do not have a shower or a bath you are
less likely to be in there naked.
Brian

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"Bert Coules" wrote in message
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I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a different
style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a tumble dryer.
So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

One thing I found interesting about our bathroom is that there is only
floor where the feet of the bath are, the rest of the boards are sawn off at
the edges. I assume this makes plumbing a lot easier.


Brian

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"Muddymike" wrote in message
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On 13/05/2016 15:44, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

If you take any notice of the Yanks, its still a bathroom even if only
ever built containing a long drop bog!

Mike

Bert Coules wrote:

I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a different
style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a tumble dryer. So
I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Building regs apply all the time. I think you mean electrical special
locations, where you cannot have a socket outlet within 3 metres of a
bath or shower.
Take the bath or shower out, and do what you want.
Building Regs still need adhering to, and electrical accessories
should be suitable for their environment, so no socket outlet directly
next to the toilet, where it could be pee'd on.
--
Alan
To reply by mail, change '+' to 'plus'

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 May 2016 15:44:37 +0100, Bert Coules wrote:

If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

You need to look up the zones.

http://www.aboutelectricity.co.uk/im...al-charts-and-
tables/bathroomzonediagram.jpg



I'll bet that link has has got the usual zone 2 ******** around the sink.

http://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-...s.cfm?type=pdf

has no such restriction.


In reply to Bert. The IEE have special regs (section 701 of the 17th
edition) for "locations containing a bath or shower".

So my conclusion is that a bathroom needs a bath in it to be called a
bathroom.




--
Adam

In article ,
Mike Barnes wrote:
AFAIK the definition of "bathroom" has nothing to do with it. It's the
distance between electrical and water fittings that's important and
covered by the regulations. There are precisely measured "zones" around
water fittings, and restrictions on what you can have electrically
within those zones.

And in a kitchen?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Think if it's not got a bath or shower - so you'd not get naked and
dripping wet - it's not covered.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Thanks for all the replies. I was familiar with the concept of zones but
mistakenly thought that it only applied to a room containing a bath or
shower. Now I know otherwise I'll investigate the relevant regs.

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the replies. I was familiar with the concept of zones but
mistakenly thought that it only applied to a room containing a bath or
shower. Now I know otherwise I'll investigate the relevant regs.


701 Zones ONLY apply to a room with a bath or shower!!!

--
Adam

On 13/05/2016 15:44, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

--
Rod

"polygonum" wrote in message
...
On 13/05/2016 15:44, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move, Zoopla
and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of bathrooms
without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower room or dream
up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?


Wet room.

--
Adam

On 5/13/2016 2:28 PM, polygonum wrote:

On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

Property descriptions in the US have 'half-baths'. Toilet and washbasin,
no bath or shower.

On 13/05/2016 19:32, ARW wrote:

Wet room.

Trouble is, that already has its rather more specific meaning.

--
Rod

On 13/05/2016 19:37, S Viemeister wrote:
On 5/13/2016 2:28 PM, polygonum wrote:

On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

Property descriptions in the US have 'half-baths'. Toilet and washbasin,
no bath or shower.

How odd! The name makes me think of those very short baths with two
levels. Why have the word "bath" in there at all? Still, "cloakroom" is
just as ridiculous in most houses.

--
Rod

On 5/13/2016 2:44 PM, polygonum wrote:
On 13/05/2016 19:37, S Viemeister wrote:
On 5/13/2016 2:28 PM, polygonum wrote:

On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

Property descriptions in the US have 'half-baths'. Toilet and washbasin,
no bath or shower.

How odd! The name makes me think of those very short baths with two
levels. Why have the word "bath" in there at all? Still, "cloakroom" is
just as ridiculous in most houses.

Defecating and urinating are often called 'going to the bathroom'. The
word 'toilet' seems to offend many people.

"Muddymike" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 13/05/2016 15:44, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

If you take any notice of the Yanks, its still a bathroom even if only
ever built containing a long drop bog!

what on earth is a "long drop bog"?

tim

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the replies. I was familiar with the concept of zones but
mistakenly thought that it only applied to a room containing a bath or
shower. Now I know otherwise I'll investigate the relevant regs.



I wonder how the "grand designs" bollox of putting an open bath in a bedroom
affects what you should call the room?

Tim

And screws with the insulation.


On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:07:11 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

One thing I found interesting about our bathroom is that there is only
floor where the feet of the bath are, the rest of the boards are sawn off at
the edges. I assume this makes plumbing a lot easier.


Brian



--
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And I know why, too.
It's because they've been up half the night begging for it.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 23:23:28 +0100, tim... wrote:


"Muddymike" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 13/05/2016 15:44, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Thanks.

If you take any notice of the Yanks, its still a bathroom even if only
ever built containing a long drop bog!

what on earth is a "long drop bog"?

To stop splashback?

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Fifteen minutes has passed, 30 minutes, then 45 minutes.
Sweat is pouring off both of them.
The wife finally looks up and says, "What's the matter darling, can't you think of anyone else either?"

On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:25:41 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a different
style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a tumble dryer. So
I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

AFAIK the definition of "bathroom" has nothing to do with it. It's the
distance between electrical and water fittings that's important and
covered by the regulations. There are precisely measured "zones" around
water fittings, and restrictions on what you can have electrically
within those zones.

My house, I'll do what I like. I've got a socket above my sink to plug in my hair trimmer.

--
A man and his wife are ****ing.
Fifteen minutes has passed, 30 minutes, then 45 minutes.
Sweat is pouring off both of them.
The wife finally looks up and says, "What's the matter darling, can't you think of anyone else either?"

On Fri, 13 May 2016 18:43:52 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Mike Barnes wrote:
AFAIK the definition of "bathroom" has nothing to do with it. It's the
distance between electrical and water fittings that's important and
covered by the regulations. There are precisely measured "zones" around
water fittings, and restrictions on what you can have electrically
within those zones.

And in a kitchen?

I had (already when I moved in) sockets only a foot or so from the sink. Very handy to fill the kettle without having to unplug it.

--
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Which is important because.... electricity can't go through jeans?


On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:13 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Sounds more like a kitchen without a cooker to me.
I think being less silly, if you do not have a shower or a bath you are
less likely to be in there naked.
Brian



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Customer: "Try cutting a little faster."

tim... wrote:

what on earth is a "long drop bog"?

https://youtu.be/a1oKaOiV1VU

HTH

On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:33:06 +0100, wrote:

Bert Coules wrote:

I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a different
style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a tumble dryer. So
I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Building regs apply all the time. I think you mean electrical special
locations, where you cannot have a socket outlet within 3 metres of a
bath or shower.
Take the bath or shower out, and do what you want.
Building Regs still need adhering to, and electrical accessories
should be suitable for their environment, so no socket outlet directly
next to the toilet, where it could be pee'd on.

But peeing on an electric fence is funny.

--
Times are tough.
Just the other day, I saw a beggar who was so broke that he was standing on the corner shouting at the cars that went by.
He was shouting, "WILL WORK FOR CARDBOARD AND A MAGIC MARKER!"

On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:33:06 +0100, wrote:

Bert Coules wrote:

I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a different
style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a tumble dryer. So
I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply? If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

Building regs apply all the time. I think you mean electrical special
locations, where you cannot have a socket outlet within 3 metres of a
bath or shower.
Take the bath or shower out, and do what you want.
Building Regs still need adhering to, and electrical accessories
should be suitable for their environment, so no socket outlet directly
next to the toilet, where it could be pee'd on.

Since everyone has those poofy circuit breakers, does it really matter if you have electricity in the bathroom?

--
Shotgun wedding: A case of wife or death.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 19:40:15 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On 13/05/2016 19:32, ARW wrote:

Wet room.

Trouble is, that already has its rather more specific meaning.

Is it to do with several women at once?

--
Imagine you are a child in your mother's womb, can you detect light?
Only during ballet practice.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 22:42:11 +0100, S Viemeister wrote:

On 5/13/2016 2:44 PM, polygonum wrote:
On 13/05/2016 19:37, S Viemeister wrote:
On 5/13/2016 2:28 PM, polygonum wrote:

On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

Property descriptions in the US have 'half-baths'. Toilet and washbasin,
no bath or shower.

How odd! The name makes me think of those very short baths with two
levels. Why have the word "bath" in there at all? Still, "cloakroom" is
just as ridiculous in most houses.

Defecating and urinating are often called 'going to the bathroom'. The
word 'toilet' seems to offend many people.

What's wrong with "I'm going for a slash"?

--
This space was empty.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 19:44:18 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On 13/05/2016 19:37, S Viemeister wrote:
On 5/13/2016 2:28 PM, polygonum wrote:

On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

Property descriptions in the US have 'half-baths'. Toilet and washbasin,
no bath or shower.

How odd! The name makes me think of those very short baths with two
levels. Why have the word "bath" in there at all? Still, "cloakroom" is
just as ridiculous in most houses.

Difficult to take a bath in a sink, unless you're 2.

--
This space was empty.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 23:26:55 +0100, tim... wrote:


"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the replies. I was familiar with the concept of zones but
mistakenly thought that it only applied to a room containing a bath or
shower. Now I know otherwise I'll investigate the relevant regs.



I wonder how the "grand designs" bollox of putting an open bath in a bedroom
affects what you should call the room?

Hang on.... if I install a water bed, must I move the electrical points?

--
I remember your brother Jimmy, crying one summer's day,
"Why do you cry, young Jimmy?" I heard your granddad say.
"'Cause I can't do what the big boys do, that's why I cry," said Jim,
"Move over then," said your granddad, and he sat down and cried with him.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 23:26:55 +0100, tim... wrote:


"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the replies. I was familiar with the concept of zones but
mistakenly thought that it only applied to a room containing a bath or
shower. Now I know otherwise I'll investigate the relevant regs.



I wonder how the "grand designs" bollox of putting an open bath in a bedroom
affects what you should call the room?

Hang on.... if I install a water bed, must I move the electrical points?

--
I remember your brother Jimmy, crying one summer's day,
"Why do you cry, young Jimmy?" I heard your granddad say.
"'Cause I can't do what the big boys do, that's why I cry," said Jim,
"Move over then," said your granddad, and he sat down and cried with him.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 23:26:55 +0100, tim... wrote:


"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the replies. I was familiar with the concept of zones but
mistakenly thought that it only applied to a room containing a bath or
shower. Now I know otherwise I'll investigate the relevant regs.



I wonder how the "grand designs" bollox of putting an open bath in a bedroom
affects what you should call the room?

Hang on.... if I install a water bed, must I move the electrical points?

--
I remember your brother Jimmy, crying one summer's day,
"Why do you cry, young Jimmy?" I heard your granddad say.
"'Cause I can't do what the big boys do, that's why I cry," said Jim,
"Move over then," said your granddad, and he sat down and cried with him.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 23:26:55 +0100, tim... wrote:


"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the replies. I was familiar with the concept of zones but
mistakenly thought that it only applied to a room containing a bath or
shower. Now I know otherwise I'll investigate the relevant regs.



I wonder how the "grand designs" bollox of putting an open bath in a bedroom
affects what you should call the room?

Hang on.... if I install a water bed, must I move the electrical points?

--
I remember your brother Jimmy, crying one summer's day,
"Why do you cry, young Jimmy?" I heard your granddad say.
"'Cause I can't do what the big boys do, that's why I cry," said Jim,
"Move over then," said your granddad, and he sat down and cried with him.

In article ,
polygonum wrote:
On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

Blame the US. They talk about bathrooms when they actually mean a toilet.

--
*I took an IQ test and the results were negative.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Mike Barnes wrote:
AFAIK the definition of "bathroom" has nothing to do with it. It's the
distance between electrical and water fittings that's important and
covered by the regulations. There are precisely measured "zones" around
water fittings, and restrictions on what you can have electrically
within those zones.

And in a kitchen?

I'm no expert but AFAICS the perceived function of the space is of no
relevance. Electricity doesn't care what you call the room.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

S Viemeister wrote:
Defecating and urinating are often called 'going to the bathroom'. The
word 'toilet' seems to offend many people.

IME that's an American thing, but sadly it seems to be catching on here.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 5/13/2016 8:11 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
polygonum wrote:
On a slightly different tack, having looked at numerous Right Move,
Zoopla and builders' own descriptions, I am getting heartily sick of
bathrooms without baths! If it only has a shower, let it be a shower
room or dream up some other name, anyone for "indoor rain room"?

Blame the US. They talk about bathrooms when they actually mean a toilet.

This is true. Weird, but true.

On 13/05/2016 15:44, Bert Coules wrote:
I'm thinking about converting a downstairs bathroom to a utility room:
retaining the loo and basin (possibly replacing it with one of a
different style), removing the bath, adding a washing machine and a
tumble dryer. So I'll have to install, or have installed, a couple of
mains sockets.

Does taking out the bath mean that the bathroom building regs no longer
apply?

Yes.


If not, what is the criterion which defines a bathroom and means
that no sockets are allowed?

It must contain a bath or shower. Cloakrooms / rooms containing loos /
basins etc are not included in the definitions.

--
Cheers,

John.

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