**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First one
back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound route
whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,

--
Adam

On 05/05/16 21:39, ARW wrote:
**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First
one back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound
route whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,


Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o

There is also the toll of course if he continued around.

On 05/05/2016 22:23, wrote:
There is also the toll of course if he continued around.


I don't think that even one of Adam's apprentices would continue the
whole way round the M25 in the wrong direction.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/16 21:39, ARW wrote:
**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First
one back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound
route whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,


Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o


****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph


--
Adam

On 05/05/2016 22:34, GB wrote:
On 05/05/2016 22:23, wrote:
There is also the toll of course if he continued around.


I don't think that even one of Adam's apprentices would continue the
whole way round the M25 in the wrong direction.

They'd accidentally turn off to Gatwick, or down the M26.

--
Rod

On Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:36:05 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o
****
That will be me: then-(

As well as speeding, you could get done for racing on the public highway?

Owain

On Thu, 05 May 2016 22:58:57 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:36:05 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o
****
That will be me: then-(

As well as speeding, you could get done for racing on the public highway?

Difficult to prove.

--
Please tell your pants it's not polite to point.

On Thu, 05 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/16 21:39, ARW wrote:
**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First
one back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound
route whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,


Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o


****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

Do you not have a satnav with the cameras on it?

--
Please tell your pants it's not polite to point.

On Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:58:59 UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:36:05 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o
****
That will be me: then-(

As well as speeding, you could get done for racing on the public highway?

probably a ban if they realise.


NT

"ARW" wrote in message
...
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/16 21:39, ARW wrote:
**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First
one back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound
route whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,


Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o


****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

LOL, and don't try the old "it was microwave scatter on the wheelnuts
m'lud". Its been tried and it doesn't work

In article ,
ARW wrote:
That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

Crikey. Transits have moved on a bit.

--
*I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 05/05/16 22:36, ARW wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/16 21:39, ARW wrote:
**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First
one back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound
route whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,


Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special
mail in the next few weeks o


****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph



I use CoPilot SatNav (for Android) and that has a rather handy
nazi-camera database that's updated fairly regularly.

What gets me is the distribution - Tunbridge Wells has about 2 cameras.
Go anywhere near Croydon up the A23 and there are bloody millions of the
things.

On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...

Having said that "cruse (sic) control at 95" and the M25 doesn't
compute.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Friday, 6 May 2016 00:49:20 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I set the cruse control at 95mph
Crikey. Transits have moved on a bit.

They do when Adam's driving them :-)

Owain

On Friday, 6 May 2016 08:18:19 UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...

Having said that "cruse (sic) control at 95" and the M25 doesn't
compute.

Maybe for a night time drive, 2 am or something. M25 is well camera-ed though.


NT

"ARW" wrote in message
...
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/16 21:39, ARW wrote:
**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First
one back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound
route whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,


Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o


****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

you managed 95 on the southern section of the M25

when? 3am on Sunday morning?

tim

"tim..." wrote in message
...

"ARW" wrote in message
...
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 05/05/16 21:39, ARW wrote:
**** easy £20.

A race from Heathrow to Doncaster. No rules and no speed limits. First
one back wins £20

I did it in 2 hours 30 minutes.

He ****ed it up at the M4/M25 junction when he took the M25 Southbound
route whilst undertaking me giving the V sign,


Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special mail
in the next few weeks o


****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

you managed 95 on the southern section of the M25

when? 3am on Sunday morning?

2pm on a Wednesday. And people were overtaking me.



--
Adam

In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...
IIRC the North Wales police tried that on with someone - the judge said
it was a single offence. I last got caught at 96 by a car rather than
camera around 8 years ago on the M5 south. It was the standard 3 points
and £60. I suspect they were being kind as I'd just got the thing and
was wondering how fast it would comfortably go. Over 100 is a ban, I
believe.

Having said that "cruse (sic) control at 95" and the M25 doesn't
compute.

Having once spent over 8 hours doing A3 to A1 (where I gave up) and
back, I agree.
--
Nick (=----)

In article ,
Nick wrote:
In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...
IIRC the North Wales police tried that on with someone - the judge said
it was a single offence. I last got caught at 96 by a car rather than
camera around 8 years ago on the M5 south. It was the standard 3 points
and £60. I suspect they were being kind as I'd just got the thing and
was wondering how fast it would comfortably go. Over 100 is a ban, I
believe.

Having said that "cruse (sic) control at 95" and the M25 doesn't
compute.

Having once spent over 8 hours doing A3 to A1 (where I gave up) and
back, I agree.

and, I'm doing that tomorrow morning ;-)

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
ARW wrote:
That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

Crikey. Transits have moved on a bit.


Scudo not Transit.

TBH that one has kept the AA busy.

On 05/05/2016 22:21, Tim Watts wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

The variables on the M62 will also flash at 70+ (79? - 70 +10% +2) even
when they're not displaying a limit and, apparently, turned off.

--
F

On 06/05/2016 18:39, Nick wrote:
In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...
IIRC the North Wales police tried that on with someone - the judge said
it was a single offence. I last got caught at 96 by a car rather than
camera around 8 years ago on the M5 south. It was the standard 3 points
and £60. I suspect they were being kind as I'd just got the thing and
was wondering how fast it would comfortably go. Over 100 is a ban, I
believe.

A friend of mine was caught after coming off the motorway and the
officers told him that on the motorway they'd been doing 120 and he had
been pulling away!

They were actually quite understanding when they heard that he'd had a
phonecall from his mother and she thought that someone had broken in and
was still in the house. They still did him, but only for 96, so no ban.

In article , Steve Walker
writes
On 06/05/2016 18:39, Nick wrote:
In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...
IIRC the North Wales police tried that on with someone - the judge said
it was a single offence. I last got caught at 96 by a car rather than
camera around 8 years ago on the M5 south. It was the standard 3 points
and £60. I suspect they were being kind as I'd just got the thing and
was wondering how fast it would comfortably go. Over 100 is a ban, I
believe.

A friend of mine was caught after coming off the motorway and the
officers told him that on the motorway they'd been doing 120 and he had
been pulling away!

They were actually quite understanding when they heard that he'd had a
phonecall from his mother and she thought that someone had broken in
and was still in the house. They still did him, but only for 96, so no
ban.

General rule 30 over the speed limit = ban
However they seem to have gone soft on it these days Just plead you will
lose your job and your house and your ids will be taken into care and
your wife will have to work the streets and you will get off.
--
bert

On 06/05/2016 23:03, bert wrote:
In article , Steve Walker
writes
On 06/05/2016 18:39, Nick wrote:
In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...
IIRC the North Wales police tried that on with someone - the judge said
it was a single offence. I last got caught at 96 by a car rather than
camera around 8 years ago on the M5 south. It was the standard 3 points
and £60. I suspect they were being kind as I'd just got the thing and
was wondering how fast it would comfortably go. Over 100 is a ban, I
believe.

A friend of mine was caught after coming off the motorway and the
officers told him that on the motorway they'd been doing 120 and he
had been pulling away!

They were actually quite understanding when they heard that he'd had a
phonecall from his mother and she thought that someone had broken in
and was still in the house. They still did him, but only for 96, so no
ban.

General rule 30 over the speed limit = ban
However they seem to have gone soft on it these days Just plead you will
lose your job and your house and your ids will be taken into care and
your wife will have to work the streets and you will get off.

It has always struck me that there is an inherent unfairness in that for
some people a ban is a minor inconvenience and for others it is a
catastrophe - as you say leading to job loss, repossession of house,
etc. so it probably does make sense to take that into account ... but
also to take into account repeat offences.

On 06/05/2016 23:35, Steve Walker wrote:
It has always struck me that there is an inherent unfairness in that for
some people a ban is a minor inconvenience and for others it is a
catastrophe - as you say leading to job loss, repossession of house,
etc. so it probably does make sense to take that into account ... but
also to take into account repeat offences.

Looking at it another way, someone who depends heavily on their driving
licence knows that they need that licence. It behoves them to take that
into account in their behaviour on the road.

Instead of taxi drivers being among the most frequent breakers of the
driving laws, they should be among the best behaved.

--
Rod

wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:36:05 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Time to have another bet with him as to whether he gets any special
mail
in the next few weeks o
****
That will be me: then-(

As well as speeding, you could get done for racing on the public highway?


Well we were always going to take different motorways. I used the M40 as it
is faster than the M1

--
Adam

On 07/05/2016 08:06, polygonum wrote:
On 06/05/2016 23:35, Steve Walker wrote:
It has always struck me that there is an inherent unfairness in that for
some people a ban is a minor inconvenience and for others it is a
catastrophe - as you say leading to job loss, repossession of house,
etc. so it probably does make sense to take that into account ... but
also to take into account repeat offences.

Looking at it another way, someone who depends heavily on their driving
licence knows that they need that licence. It behoves them to take that
into account in their behaviour on the road.

Instead of taxi drivers being among the most frequent breakers of the
driving laws, they should be among the best behaved.


They should be banned the same as anyone else.
They shouldn't get unemployment benefits either as they brought it on
themselves.

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
Instead of taxi drivers being among the most frequent breakers of the
driving laws, they should be among the best behaved.


They should be banned the same as anyone else.
They shouldn't get unemployment benefits either as they brought it on
themselves.

Taxi drivers are generally self employed. So no unemployment benefit.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 5 May 2016 22:36:00 +0100, ARW wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the
southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at
70?

****

That will be me: then-(

I drove from a job in Dartford to Heathrow before OUR race began.

I set the cruse control at 95mph

And presumably each camera is a seperate offence at 3 points/camera
so after 4 cameras, 12 points, bye bye licence, thats assuming it's
not bye by licence at the first one at 25 mph above the limit...


Who needs 4 cameras?

I already have 6 points on my licence.

--
Adam

On 06/05/2016 19:44, F wrote:
On 05/05/2016 22:21, Tim Watts wrote:

Does he know there are an arse load of speed cameras on the southern
section that are now activated even when the variable limit is at 70?

The variables on the M62 will also flash at 70+ (79? - 70 +10% +2) even
when they're not displaying a limit and, apparently, turned off.

Given most cars speedos will over read 10%, that would be getting on fo
an indicated 90 ish...


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 07/05/2016 08:06, polygonum wrote:
On 06/05/2016 23:35, Steve Walker wrote:
It has always struck me that there is an inherent unfairness in that for
some people a ban is a minor inconvenience and for others it is a
catastrophe - as you say leading to job loss, repossession of house,
etc. so it probably does make sense to take that into account ... but
also to take into account repeat offences.

Looking at it another way, someone who depends heavily on their driving
licence knows that they need that licence. It behoves them to take that
into account in their behaviour on the road.

Instead of taxi drivers being among the most frequent breakers of the
driving laws, they should be among the best behaved.

Everyone makes mistakes, misses a speed limit sign that's partially
hidden, etc. at some point. A pensioner who drives 3000 miles a year to
the shops and back, on roads that they know like the back of their hand
is a lot less likely to collect points or a ban than say a sales rep who
might be doing 60,000+ business miles per year, often on roads they have
never been on before, held up by delays and against deadlines.

There is also a difference between the sales rep and a taxi driver - who
is mainly driving in a built-up area that he knows well, with fairly
unanambiguous limits and who's livlihood does not depend on fixed time
meetings at the end of journeys hours long.

On Sat, 07 May 2016 17:21:43 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

Everyone makes mistakes, misses a speed limit sign that's partially
hidden, etc. at some point. A pensioner who drives 3000 miles a year to
the shops and back, on roads that they know like the back of their hand
is a lot less likely to collect points or a ban than say a sales rep who
might be doing 60,000+ business miles per year, often on roads they have
never been on before, held up by delays and against deadlines.

I was on an unfamiliar mixed-urban trip recently and I was very careful.
But I did also turn on the car's speed limiter, linked to its recognition
of speed limit signs (it's not perfect, but belt and braces).

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
Instead of taxi drivers being among the most frequent breakers of the
driving laws, they should be among the best behaved.


They should be banned the same as anyone else.
They shouldn't get unemployment benefits either as they brought it on
themselves.

Taxi drivers are generally self employed.

Yes.

So no unemployment benefit.

So they just get to starve if they lose their licence, eh ?

Even sillier than you usually manage.

On 07/05/2016 17:21, Steve Walker wrote:
A pensioner who drives 3000 miles a year to the shops and back, on roads
that they know like the back of their hand is a lot less likely to
collect points or a ban than say a sales rep who might be doing 60,000+
business miles per year, often on roads they have never been on before,
held up by delays and against deadlines.

Perhaps companies that expect their sales staff (or any other staff!) to
drive 60,000+ business miles in the circumstances you describe should be
another party that gets banged to rights?

Perhaps if every driving offence done under business miles were in some
way allocated against the employer? If the number gets too high, the
company gets banned from operating vehicles.

And any company that imposes "drive at 100 mph or get the sack" rules
should most definitely have the book thrown at them. Even if that means
a new book has to be written to cover that.

--
Rod

On 07/05/2016 17:21, Steve Walker wrote:

Everyone makes mistakes, misses a speed limit sign that's partially
hidden, etc. at some point.

Are you suggesting they should be done for careless driving rather than
speeding or as well as speeding?

On 07/05/2016 18:55, polygonum wrote:
On 07/05/2016 17:21, Steve Walker wrote:
A pensioner who drives 3000 miles a year to the shops and back, on roads
that they know like the back of their hand is a lot less likely to
collect points or a ban than say a sales rep who might be doing 60,000+
business miles per year, often on roads they have never been on before,
held up by delays and against deadlines.

Perhaps companies that expect their sales staff (or any other staff!) to
drive 60,000+ business miles in the circumstances you describe should be
another party that gets banged to rights?

Perhaps if every driving offence done under business miles were in some
way allocated against the employer? If the number gets too high, the
company gets banned from operating vehicles.

And any company that imposes "drive at 100 mph or get the sack" rules
should most definitely have the book thrown at them. Even if that means
a new book has to be written to cover that.

I am not saying that employers impose such rules, although there have
been many cases in the past of companies setting extremely tight
schedules, so any delay causes problems.

Even where schedules are not too tight, sales people's jobs live or die
by their results and if they've been held up by a motorway crash and the
person they are going to see has only a particular slot to see them in,
what are they going to do? Try to still get there in time or possibly
lose a major contract?

I personally have had an ocassion (nothing to do with work), where I set
out on a 4-1/2 drive, with 6 hours to do it. I did not want to allow
more spare than that, as I was travelling with 3 young children and
arriving too early would not be good - as anyone who's sat waiting at a
port in the early hours of the morning with bored and tired kids in the
car will attest! We also did not want to miss the ferry, as it was a
1-1/2 hour crossing and if we missed it, we'd have to wait 6 hours for
the next one or see if they could fit us on a 3-1/2 hour crossing 3
hours or so after ours - again with 3 young kids, not fun and also no
guarantee that there would be space on any subsequent crossings anyway.
We then got held up for just over 1-1/2 hours as someone was threatening
to jump from a bridge and we were trapped on the motorway. I was then
left with the choice of speed or miss the ferry. Obviously, legally, I
should have missed the ferry, but with the thoughts of getting there too
late and having to negotiate a place on another ferry, with no idea how
long we'd have to wait and how long the crossing would be, we made it
with minutes to spare.

On another ocassion we were at another ferry terminal (Birkenhead) in
plenty of time for our 07:30 Seacat crossing, only for them to tell us
an hour after we should have departed, that they had an engine problem
(it turned out that the ferry had had an ongoing problem and hadn't run
for 3 months!) and the ferry was cancelled. They arranged for everyone
to be accomodated on a slow 16:30 crossing from Hollyhead, but that was
no use to us, as we had to be on the far side of Ireland by 20:00 as we
were attending a wedding the next day and my wife needed to be part of
the practice in the church. We managed to negotiate an earlier crossing
with another company (Seacat agreed under the circumstances), but again,
to make it we had to break a few speed limits.

Now you can argue that I was wrong to speed, but in both cases, I had
allowed enough time for the journey, with a stop and with sopme spare
time, but outside events sabotaged our plans. In both cases, there were
good reasons not to miss the deadline. Real life is like that and we
can't all take an extra day off work and travel a day early, just in
case there is a delay.

On Sat, 7 May 2016 23:05:05 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

snip classic stories

Now you can argue that I was wrong to speed, but in both cases, I had
allowed enough time for the journey, with a stop and with sopme spare
time, but outside events sabotaged our plans. In both cases, there were
good reasons not to miss the deadline. Real life is like that and we
can't all take an extra day off work and travel a day early, just in
case there is a delay.

My company were kind enough to move to the top of our road s and
because I was a 'Field support tech', had to drive my company car in
every day (even if I rarely went on site towards the end).

Now, on a good day my total commute took about 2 minutes so I would
leave at 5 to 9 to be there 'on time'. However, if we got caught up
behind the dustcart that 2 minutes could lengthen to maybe 10 minutes
and if there was some other issue (fire engine in the road) then it
could be even longer (making me 'late').

Those who regularly drove in over longer distances would typically
allow the same amount of 'extra' time but it would be a smaller
percentage of their overall traveling time than me.

It was good to have an hour for lunch and actually have (the option
of) 55 minutes at home. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:21:43 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

Looking at it another way, someone who depends heavily on their
driving
licence knows that they need that licence. It behoves them to take
that
into account in their behaviour on the road.

Quite.

... a sales rep who might be doing 60,000+ business miles per year,
often on roads they have never been on before, held up by delays and
against deadlines.

Sales rep doesn't have a mobile phone and handsfree or
shockhorror know how to use a public telephone. Simple enough to
call client, say they are going to be late due to traffic and
apologise.

... who's livlihood does not depend on fixed time meetings at the end of
journeys hours long.

My livlihood fits that description, I can't remember the last time I
was late... no I tell a lie it was over ten years ago, 1 to 2" of
snow on the M74 in The Borders brought it to a crawl (flippin arctics
with one driven axle and effectively slicks as tyres) then a road
closure due to another heavy about to be pulled out of the
ditch/hedge.

These days there really isn't any excuse. Satnavs give pretty damn
accurate driving times. Of course if the user of that information is
so stupid as to only allow that amount of time for the journey they
really are stupid. I find that satnav driving time, when limited to
60 mph, plus 30 mins (and 20 mins per planned pee/coffee stop) gives
enough buffer to get lost in a one way system or snarlled up in
roadworks. 30 mins would have coped, just, with one of the delays the
last time I was late but not both.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sunday, 8 May 2016 00:43:24 UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote:

These days there really isn't any excuse. Satnavs give pretty damn
accurate driving times. Of course if the user of that information is
so stupid as to only allow that amount of time for the journey they
really are stupid. I find that satnav driving time, when limited to
60 mph, plus 30 mins (and 20 mins per planned pee/coffee stop) gives
enough buffer to get lost in a one way system or snarlled up in
roadworks. 30 mins would have coped, just, with one of the delays the
last time I was late but not both.

In some parts of the country that's far from true. One route I'm familiar with takes anything from 3.5 to 7.5 hours. It's not really predictable.


NT