On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:11:10 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:11:28 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo , ARW adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

The mower is probably still more sterile than the gents door handle in the
local pub.

This is a modern day problem. Trying to find the bit of the handle that
you think no one else has used. Or hang around looking dodgy until
someone else comes in or goes out and you can tailgate them, which makes
you look even dodgier.

Just use the sleeve of your jacket. It's not rocket sicence!

Not much use if you aren't wearing a jacket.

snip

Didn't such handles and knobs and push-plates used to made of brass
and that has some self-sterilising properties?

Cheers, T i m

This seems to be a bit emotive considering how small it actually is.Around
here its mainly fox mess that stinks.
In the case of cats on one of them vet programs a while back they said that
its often what the pets are given to eat that causes the poo to be so runny
and smelly, but I'd imagine that telling owners not to feed their cts with
whatever crap they are feeding them with might initiate a local civil war.
Brian

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:46:52 -0700 (PDT), harry
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On Sunday, 17 April 2016 10:43:23 UTC+1, MM wrote:
Every time I mow the lawn there's cat poo to be removed. I hate it.
It's never solid, always messy, slimy, stinky, totally revolting. The
only way I've found to remove it is by scraping with a dutch hoe on to
a shovel.

Has no one got any other ideas? I read once a long time ago that the
Parisian clean-up squad rode around the city on motorbikes with a
nitrogen wand that froze dog poo solid. It was then much easier to
deal with.

Have we nothing like that in Britain?

I've tried jets of water from the garden hose, but that isn't
effective. The summer months are a little better, because it's warmer
and the poo dries out and crumbles.

Later today I will have to steel myself to go "out there" for the
first time with the mower this year, but first I'll have to attack the
cat mess.

I'm desperate for a better solution!

(By the way, no point suggesting stopping cats messing on my lawn.
I've tried everything in that department already, short of having
automatic scatterguns like on the former East German border fence.)

MM

I've been told if you provide a sand pit, they will **** in that.
Never had to try it, there are no cats where I live.

Well, I suppose I could try that, too. The cats nearly always "go" in
the same place. What does work is the deterrent granules (not the
lemon pepper stuff, which is useless, or the Wilko spray deterrent,
also useless), but that is ruddy expensive.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:04:04 +0100, "Richard"
wrote:

snip

30 seconds into a 2 minute experiment and a cop comes past *and*
stops. If only they were that vigilant or present all the time ... ;-(

They know who the trouble makers are because their undercover cat squad
patrols the area 24/7.

Cool, where do I sign up (and do we get rifles or just Tazers). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 08:55:16 +0100, MM wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:26:28 +0100, T i m wrote:

Our daughter will probably also hear it then (she could hear one that
was down the road).

Thankfully, this is one area in which my old, decrepit body excels, as
my hearing is crap. The NHS hearing aids whistle like one of Pete
Waterman's trains, so I only wear them at Christmas.

;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:18:51 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:08:00 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
Later today I will have to steel myself to go "out there" for the
first time with the mower this year, but first I'll have to attack the
cat mess.

I'm desperate for a better solution!

(By the way, no point suggesting stopping cats messing on my lawn.
I've tried everything in that department already, short of having
automatic scatterguns like on the former East German border fence.)

Diversionary tactics? Provide a small area of freshly dug and raked
soil. For full authenticity, plant some valuable seeds.

Are you certain it is not Fox poo? Pointy ends. Cats prefer to bury
their gifts.

Cats probably start out with the best of intentions, but they are lazy
and just do one or two token scratches in the earth. No way do they
bury it.

I've checked on the internet and fox poo looks different. Plus, I've
seen cats on the lawn preparing their typical squatting position. I'm
frequently too late to shoo 'em away, though.


If yuo see a cat do a littel arse shuffel it;s more likely they are putting scent down than taking a ****.

On 17/04/2016 11:15, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:51:55 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 17/04/2016 10:43, MM wrote:
Every time I mow the lawn there's cat poo to be removed. I hate it.
It's never solid, always messy, slimy, stinky, totally revolting. The
only way I've found to remove it is by scraping with a dutch hoe on to
a shovel.

Has no one got any other ideas? I read once a long time ago that the
Parisian clean-up squad rode around the city on motorbikes with a
nitrogen wand that froze dog poo solid. It was then much easier to
deal with.



Think yourself lucky. I'm one of the few people in my street that tries
to grow flowers in the front garden.

It's worse if you are trying to grow veg. ;-(

As a result I'm one of the few who
hasn't completely concreted the front for car parking. I do have and
stand for the car but also flower boarders. I get around 5 lots of cat
**** a day!

Lovely.

snip
ucking antisocial cat owners that cannot be bothered to
look after their pets.

Quite.

My solution ... going along with the recent law regarding having all
dogs chipped, have all (supposed) 'pet cats' chipped and their DNA
registered (along with dogs of course).

You find some cat cr*p in your garden, you send a small sample off to
some service who then send the bill for the test and either the
opportunity to cleanup after their 'possession in the future, pay for
professional cleanup services or the fine(s).

It's totally ridiculous that a dog owner is fined for letting their
pet foul in a public place but not a cat owner and worse that they can
(officially) get away with their animals fouling other people
*private* gardens and areas. [1]

Dogs are pack animals, they will happily stay in your home and stay with
you when you walk them. Cats are solitary, their nature is to explore,
hide away, hunt and sleep.

You can control a dog simply by keeping it in and they will rarely
escape. Cats on the other hand can dive out of a door the moment you
open it, leave by the windows (even top opening ones) and if you have
children, you'll never have any chance whatsoever of stopping a cat
going wherever it wants.

As well as that, cat litter trays stink the house out. A dog can be
walked a couple of times a day, a cat cannot be trained to go only when
you want it too, so the tray can be horrible.

On 17/04/2016 16:11, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , ARW adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

The mower is probably still more sterile than the gents door handle in the
local pub.

This is a modern day problem. Trying to find the bit of the handle that
you think no one else has used. Or hang around looking dodgy until
someone else comes in or goes out and you can tailgate them, which makes
you look even dodgier.

My wife washes her hands at work, drys them with a paper towel, uses a
second towel to turn the tap off and then a third to open the doors on
the way back to her desk. Dropping the third towel in the bin at her desk.

I have often wondered why the doors to toilets all open inwards. Simply
make them open outwards and we'd all be able to go through them without
touching them with our freshly washed hands.

Steve Walker wrote:
On 17/04/2016 16:11, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , ARW adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

The mower is probably still more sterile than the gents door handle
in the
local pub.

This is a modern day problem. Trying to find the bit of the handle that
you think no one else has used. Or hang around looking dodgy until
someone else comes in or goes out and you can tailgate them, which makes
you look even dodgier.

My wife washes her hands at work, drys them with a paper towel, uses a
second towel to turn the tap off and then a third to open the doors on
the way back to her desk. Dropping the third towel in the bin at her desk.

I have often wondered why the doors to toilets all open inwards. Simply
make them open outwards and we'd all be able to go through them without
touching them with our freshly washed hands.


Then you'd have the same concerns about the next door that you
encountered :-)

On Monday, 18 April 2016 14:50:51 UTC+1, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
On 17/04/2016 16:11, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , ARW adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

The mower is probably still more sterile than the gents door handle
in the
local pub.

This is a modern day problem. Trying to find the bit of the handle that
you think no one else has used. Or hang around looking dodgy until
someone else comes in or goes out and you can tailgate them, which makes
you look even dodgier.

My wife washes her hands at work, drys them with a paper towel, uses a
second towel to turn the tap off and then a third to open the doors on
the way back to her desk. Dropping the third towel in the bin at her desk.

I have often wondered why the doors to toilets all open inwards. Simply
make them open outwards and we'd all be able to go through them without
touching them with our freshly washed hands.


Then you'd have the same concerns about the next door that you
encountered :-)

Elbows and feed, it's why you have kick plates on doors.

In message , Brian Gaff
writes
This seems to be a bit emotive considering how small it actually is.Around
here its mainly fox mess that stinks.
In the case of cats on one of them vet programs a while back they said that
its often what the pets are given to eat that causes the poo to be so runny
and smelly, but I'd imagine that telling owners not to feed their cts with
whatever crap they are feeding them with might initiate a local civil war.

Target post no 100:-)

My mother, who at one time had 17 cats, used to train errant kittens by
rubbing their noses in any poo found under the settee.

--
Tim Lamb

"MM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:29:06 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:13:37 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 17/04/2016 10:43, MM wrote:
Every time I mow the lawn there's cat poo to be removed. I hate it.
It's never solid, always messy, slimy, stinky, totally revolting. The
only way I've found to remove it is by scraping with a dutch hoe on to
a shovel.

Has no one got any other ideas? I read once a long time ago that the
Parisian clean-up squad rode around the city on motorbikes with a
nitrogen wand that froze dog poo solid. It was then much easier to
deal with.


MM

Get a jack russell terrier.

Nope. I don't like dogs. Ever watched a relative or friend's dog
pulling its arse across the carpet on which the family toddler is
playing. Messy, filthy, smelly, drooling animals that drink out of
toilets.


Get a snake then.

Good idea! I'll just pop to the snake shop right now...


Just don't **** it up by mistakenly walking into Pulse and Cocktails and
asking for a 12" black one.

Most places have reptile shops.

--
Adam

"MM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:03:53 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 17/04/2016 11:13, Andrew wrote:

Get a jack russell terrier.


Shouldn't the owner just get the cat put down if they cannot be bothered
to be responsible for their pet?

Actually, I think this being rural Lincs most of the cats are strays.


Rural Lincs - the only place that makes Norfolk people look normal.

--
Adam

"MM" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:03:58 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
. ..
Every time I mow the lawn there's cat poo to be removed. I hate it.
It's never solid, always messy, slimy, stinky, totally revolting. The
only way I've found to remove it is by scraping with a dutch hoe on to
a shovel.


Why not just mow the ****ing lawn - cat **** and all (if it really is cat
****) and dump the lot in the compost/green bin instead of ****ing about
with the hoe?

We don't have green waste collection here. We have to take the grass
clippings to the local waste recycling plant in Spalding.

Astroturf. Your frequent trips of god-knows-how-many-miles to Spalding from
your place (177 from mine!) is not good for the environment.

"MM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:35:38 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:03:58 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
Every time I mow the lawn there's cat poo to be removed. I hate it.
It's never solid, always messy, slimy, stinky, totally revolting. The
only way I've found to remove it is by scraping with a dutch hoe on to
a shovel.


Why not just mow the f
snip
lawn - cat **** and all (if it really is cat
****) and dump the lot in the compost/green bin instead of ****ing about
with the hoe?

Have you ever tried doing that OOI? Daughter was working for the local
council doing just that every day and that's why they often wear
disposable overalls, especially in the walled gardens at the back of
flats etc (that seem to suffer more with cat cr*p than 'open' communal
areas).

At least the dog owners could be asked to clear it up first or they
didn't mow it. It (and cat cr*p) doesn't always just get chopped up
and spread about, it can end up wrapped round the wheel on the mower
and that then goes back in the van ... (sometimes lifted in by two
people) ...

Even the face visor didn't prevent her wearing diced slug on her face
now and again (mainly when strimming) so basically anything could end
up anywhere.

Absolutely. Disgusting suggestion from Mr ARW.


I could make worse suggestions if you want.

It's a bit of ****. Pick it up with a carrier bag etc.


--
Adam

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:33:49 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

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It's totally ridiculous that a dog owner is fined for letting their
pet foul in a public place but not a cat owner and worse that they can
(officially) get away with their animals fouling other people
*private* gardens and areas. [1]

Dogs are pack animals, they will happily stay in your home and stay with
you when you walk them.

Yup, just how it should be if you own an animal.

Cats are solitary, their nature is to explore,
hide away, hunt and sleep.

Exactly, so not really 'a pet' then?

You can control a dog simply by keeping it in and they will rarely
escape.

Well, if they are the 'escaping' kind they will and do.

Cats on the other hand can dive out of a door the moment you
open it,

(as will some (peoples) dogs)

leave by the windows

Ditto.

(even top opening ones)

Ok, cat's probably have it there. ;-)

and if you have
children, you'll never have any chance whatsoever of stopping a cat
going wherever it wants.

That I understand (but similar for a dog though).

As well as that, cat litter trays stink the house out.

'Tough'? If you (they) don't like the smell, don't have that sort of
'pet'?

A dog can be
walked a couple of times a day,

As could a cat no?

a cat cannot be trained to go only when
you want it too,

Nor can a dog (although they generally do take the opportunity when
you present it to them).

so the tray can be horrible.

So I can imagine.

Luckily, we have never had a cat and very few of our friends and
family have had them either.

Nor do most of the people whose gardens our daughter tends and ALL of
them suffer from and complain about cats fouling in their garden. ;-(

I'm pretty sure something will be done about it (legally) in the
future, just as I did with smoking way back then.

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:46:25 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:18:51 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:08:00 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
Later today I will have to steel myself to go "out there" for the
first time with the mower this year, but first I'll have to attack the
cat mess.

I'm desperate for a better solution!

(By the way, no point suggesting stopping cats messing on my lawn.
I've tried everything in that department already, short of having
automatic scatterguns like on the former East German border fence.)

Diversionary tactics? Provide a small area of freshly dug and raked
soil. For full authenticity, plant some valuable seeds.

Are you certain it is not Fox poo? Pointy ends. Cats prefer to bury
their gifts.

Cats probably start out with the best of intentions, but they are lazy
and just do one or two token scratches in the earth. No way do they
bury it.

I've checked on the internet and fox poo looks different. Plus, I've
seen cats on the lawn preparing their typical squatting position. I'm
frequently too late to shoo 'em away, though.


If yuo see a cat do a littel arse shuffel it;s more likely they are putting scent down than taking a ****.

No, that's when they hold their rear ends slighltly upwards, then
shuffle.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:39:50 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:46:25 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:18:51 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:08:00 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
Later today I will have to steel myself to go "out there" for the
first time with the mower this year, but first I'll have to attack the
cat mess.

I'm desperate for a better solution!

(By the way, no point suggesting stopping cats messing on my lawn.
I've tried everything in that department already, short of having
automatic scatterguns like on the former East German border fence.)

Diversionary tactics? Provide a small area of freshly dug and raked
soil. For full authenticity, plant some valuable seeds.

Are you certain it is not Fox poo? Pointy ends. Cats prefer to bury
their gifts.

Cats probably start out with the best of intentions, but they are lazy
and just do one or two token scratches in the earth. No way do they
bury it.

I've checked on the internet and fox poo looks different. Plus, I've
seen cats on the lawn preparing their typical squatting position. I'm
frequently too late to shoo 'em away, though.


If yuo see a cat do a littel arse shuffel it;s more likely they are putting scent down than taking a ****.


Arse shuffles in both cats and dogs are an indication either of worms,
anal sac retention (blocked glands around the anus), or some other
disorder in the anal region. See http://tinyurl.com/h4ra6uv and
http://tinyurl.com/k4rzybb

I've heard it's worms. What a fun thing to have bits of canine
intestinal worm being ground into the carpet. Even worse when the dog
owner comes round to your house and wouldn't dream of leaving Fido
outside.

It's not for nothing that all food shops ban dogs, except guide dogs.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:11:10 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:11:28 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo , ARW adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

The mower is probably still more sterile than the gents door handle in the
local pub.

This is a modern day problem. Trying to find the bit of the handle that
you think no one else has used. Or hang around looking dodgy until
someone else comes in or goes out and you can tailgate them, which makes
you look even dodgier.

Just use the sleeve of your jacket. It's not rocket sicence!

Not much use if you aren't wearing a jacket.

I'd like to see hand sanitiser sprays installed outside. They'd be easy
to site because there'd no need to hide them from the gaze of
other-sex-people or passer-by.

They'd get nicked.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:45:16 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 17/04/2016 16:11, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , ARW adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

The mower is probably still more sterile than the gents door handle in the
local pub.

This is a modern day problem. Trying to find the bit of the handle that
you think no one else has used. Or hang around looking dodgy until
someone else comes in or goes out and you can tailgate them, which makes
you look even dodgier.

My wife washes her hands at work, drys them with a paper towel, uses a
second towel to turn the tap off and then a third to open the doors on
the way back to her desk. Dropping the third towel in the bin at her desk.

I have often wondered why the doors to toilets all open inwards. Simply
make them open outwards and we'd all be able to go through them without
touching them with our freshly washed hands.

That's a very good point. I have also wondered often why that is.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 20:01:48 +0100, "Richard"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:03:58 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
Every time I mow the lawn there's cat poo to be removed. I hate it.
It's never solid, always messy, slimy, stinky, totally revolting. The
only way I've found to remove it is by scraping with a dutch hoe on to
a shovel.


Why not just mow the ****ing lawn - cat **** and all (if it really is cat
****) and dump the lot in the compost/green bin instead of ****ing about
with the hoe?

We don't have green waste collection here. We have to take the grass
clippings to the local waste recycling plant in Spalding.

Astroturf. Your frequent trips of god-knows-how-many-miles to Spalding from
your place (177 from mine!) is not good for the environment.

But wouldn't the cats still crap on it? Okay, so I wouldn't be mowing
it, but I'd still have to clear the cat poop away.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:44:17 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 08:38:21 +0100, MM wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 15:52:43 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

Actually, you should count yourself lucky. We get regularly visited by
a neighbour's dog. An altogether more substantial job!

If it was the neigbour's dog I could complain to the council, couldn't
I? Dogs must be chipped as of a few days ago.

But even so, dog poo is slightly more amenable to being "rolled" on to
a shovel, whereas cat poo, mostly a sticky mess, cannot. You have to
*scrape* it on to the shovel.

MM

Cat poo is not inherently messy. In principle it should be no
different to dog poo. Certainly, when we had cats, they produced solid
turds just like dog turds but smaller. Much depends on what they eat.
Giving a cat milk to drink instead of water can give it diarrhoea (its
a common myth that cats should be given milk, and many people do it).
Even dog poo can be messy if they're fed the wrong diet.

But that's no consolation for you...

All that kind of supports my thought that these pooping feline
visitors are mostly strays from local farms (many of them here!), who
don't get fed apart from what they can catch. Who knows what rubbish
they force down their gullets? This may be why the cat poo I see is so
messy.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:54:46 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 08:55:16 +0100, MM wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:26:28 +0100, T i m wrote:

Our daughter will probably also hear it then (she could hear one that
was down the road).

Thankfully, this is one area in which my old, decrepit body excels, as
my hearing is crap. The NHS hearing aids whistle like one of Pete
Waterman's trains, so I only wear them at Christmas.

MM

BTDT. Too much feedback. Either the little plastic tube from the
amplifier (the bit that goes behind your ear) is too short, tending to
pull the ear-moulding out of your ear slightly and causing a gap
around it for amplified sound to escape, or you need new ear mouldings
as they no longer fit snugly into your ear. When did you last have a
hearing check? Quite a while ago, would be my guess. Arrange one, and
mention it.

No, these were brand-new a couple of years ago. I walked across the
NHS hospital car park in Spalding to my car, thinking, heck, I'm
~never~ going to get used to these. I could hear things I hadn't heard
in years, like the scuffling sound of my shoes on the pavement. But
accompanying that were all kinds of unwanted "noise" that the human
ear normally filters out. Also, whenever I hear my OWN voice I sound
(to me) as if I'm speaking from inside a barrel. Bloody awful things,
in my view.

In short, I have ~never~ got used to them. I only wear them if it's
absolutely necessary to follow a conversation in a crowd, otherwise
they stay in the box.

My BIL's 97-year-old mother in Hamburg, who is rolling in dosh, paid
out over 3,000 euros for private hearing aids, and apparently those
are brilliant. Yeah, well, yer pays yer money... etc etc. But I can't
afford going private.

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:29:47 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:47:51 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:44:58 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

snip

I have had complete success in removing the problem using an ultrasonic
cat scarer. Although designed to be battery operated, they eat batteries
so I made dummy cells to fit inside and run it from a DC wallwart inside
a nearby building with low voltage wire exiting through an airbrick. One
unit is covering about 60 sq metres mounted unobtrusively in one corner.
We our garden is completely open to the road and we don't even see any
cats taking a short cut or even a "**** cut" since installing it about 9
months ago.

Result. Would you have a link to the one you actually used please Bob?

Any idea how it may impact any other creatures, like birds or people
walking past with their dogs etc (the dogs, I doubt the people could
hear it)? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I used this one http://tinyurl.com/zpsbdak

The pattern of the pir is a low level fan across the grass so birds
unless they land on the ground are not affected. We feed them from
hanging feeders so they are happy.
People need to come onto our land to trigger the PIR, passing on the
pavement will not trigger it.
My son can hear it each time and sometimes my ears will pickup the pulse
envelope not the carrier.

The battery cover screws on with minuscule screws self tapped into
plastic but with my remote power supply, everything was fitted, tested
and then sealed with neutral cure silicone and has remained working. The
PIR has a blue led for walk testing which provides an indication it
continues to work.
hth
Bob

I've now followed the links and also found the Pestbye product on
Amazon.co.uk for £14.99 (although the eBay offer is selling TWO for
£24.99). Don't know whether I'd need two for quite a small lawn (6m x
6m approx).

But what struck me was the number of customer reviews on the Amazon
page: 2,793!

Also, the product is listed as "#1 Best Seller in Pet & Wild Animal
Control".

Looks highly likely I'll try one. However, the manufacturer reckons
that batteries should last for 3 - 4 months.

The walk testing thingie also sounds as if the company knows what it's
doing, because that would have been my next question: How to tell.

MM

Based on my experience, one will be sufficient for your needs.
I chose on the basis that it had controls for pulse type and volume.
In practice mid range and full volume (why not?) seems to have worked.

Well, Bob, I ordered one early yesterday! From Amazon. By Pestbye, as
you recommended. But only a single one (£14.99). They dispatched it
the same day, so I might even receive it today, certainly tomorrow.

Watch this space! (Soon to be free of any trace of the sticky stuff,
hopefully!)

MM

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:53:17 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , Brian Gaff
writes
This seems to be a bit emotive considering how small it actually is.Around
here its mainly fox mess that stinks.
In the case of cats on one of them vet programs a while back they said that
its often what the pets are given to eat that causes the poo to be so runny
and smelly, but I'd imagine that telling owners not to feed their cts with
whatever crap they are feeding them with might initiate a local civil war.

Target post no 100:-)

My mother, who at one time had 17 cats, used to train errant kittens by
rubbing their noses in any poo found under the settee.

My mum used to do exactly the same with my sister's kittens. It
worked. But I don't know whether they grew into cats than roamed into
other people's gardens and left their mess there. At least our settee
areas were free of muck. One kitten came to a sticky end when the pet
cocker spaniel decide to practise his retriever skills and decapitated
it. We never found the body. My sister kinda lost interest in kittens
afterwards.

MM

In message , MM
writes

Cat poo is not inherently messy. In principle it should be no
different to dog poo. Certainly, when we had cats, they produced solid
turds just like dog turds but smaller. Much depends on what they eat.
Giving a cat milk to drink instead of water can give it diarrhoea (its
a common myth that cats should be given milk, and many people do it).
Even dog poo can be messy if they're fed the wrong diet.

But that's no consolation for you...

All that kind of supports my thought that these pooping feline
visitors are mostly strays from local farms (many of them here!), who
don't get fed apart from what they can catch. Who knows what rubbish
they force down their gullets? This may be why the cat poo I see is so
messy.

In defence of farms...

Cats seen on an isolated steading, fair enough. Cats seen near an urban
fringe holding more likely refugees: the timid ones that have been
pushed out by more aggressive felines.

With modern mouse/rat baits, keeping cats is unnecessary. Worse, cat
**** in a 29 ton load of grain is instant rejection and return!

--
Tim Lamb

MM wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:29:47 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:47:51 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:44:58 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

snip

I have had complete success in removing the problem using an ultrasonic
cat scarer. Although designed to be battery operated, they eat batteries
so I made dummy cells to fit inside and run it from a DC wallwart inside
a nearby building with low voltage wire exiting through an airbrick. One
unit is covering about 60 sq metres mounted unobtrusively in one corner.
We our garden is completely open to the road and we don't even see any
cats taking a short cut or even a "**** cut" since installing it about 9
months ago.

Result. Would you have a link to the one you actually used please Bob?

Any idea how it may impact any other creatures, like birds or people
walking past with their dogs etc (the dogs, I doubt the people could
hear it)? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I used this one http://tinyurl.com/zpsbdak

The pattern of the pir is a low level fan across the grass so birds
unless they land on the ground are not affected. We feed them from
hanging feeders so they are happy.
People need to come onto our land to trigger the PIR, passing on the
pavement will not trigger it.
My son can hear it each time and sometimes my ears will pickup the pulse
envelope not the carrier.

The battery cover screws on with minuscule screws self tapped into
plastic but with my remote power supply, everything was fitted, tested
and then sealed with neutral cure silicone and has remained working. The
PIR has a blue led for walk testing which provides an indication it
continues to work.
hth
Bob

I've now followed the links and also found the Pestbye product on
Amazon.co.uk for £14.99 (although the eBay offer is selling TWO for
£24.99). Don't know whether I'd need two for quite a small lawn (6m x
6m approx).

But what struck me was the number of customer reviews on the Amazon
page: 2,793!

Also, the product is listed as "#1 Best Seller in Pet & Wild Animal
Control".

Looks highly likely I'll try one. However, the manufacturer reckons
that batteries should last for 3 - 4 months.

The walk testing thingie also sounds as if the company knows what it's
doing, because that would have been my next question: How to tell.

MM

Based on my experience, one will be sufficient for your needs.
I chose on the basis that it had controls for pulse type and volume.
In practice mid range and full volume (why not?) seems to have worked.

Well, Bob, I ordered one early yesterday! From Amazon. By Pestbye, as
you recommended. But only a single one (£14.99). They dispatched it
the same day, so I might even receive it today, certainly tomorrow.

Watch this space! (Soon to be free of any trace of the sticky stuff,
hopefully!)

MM

I sincerely hope it works as well for you as it has done here.
Once again I can use my flymo with confidence these days.

On Monday, 18 April 2016 22:57:07 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:33:49 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

Dogs are pack animals, they will happily stay in your home and stay with
you when you walk them.

Yup, just how it should be if you own an animal.

Try doing that with a fish.

Cats are solitary, their nature is to explore,
hide away, hunt and sleep.

Exactly, so not really 'a pet' then?

yes exactly like a pet.
A pet or companion animal is an animal kept primarily for a person's company or protection, as opposed to working animals, sport animals, livestock, and laboratory animals, which are kept primarily for performance, agricultural value, or research. The most popular pets are noted for their attractive appearances and their loyal or playful personalities.




Cats on the other hand can dive out of a door the moment you
open it,

(as will some (peoples) dogs)

Most pets have that ability to some extent.




As well as that, cat litter trays stink the house out.

'Tough'? If you (they) don't like the smell, don't have that sort of
'pet'?

My cats tray doesn't. If t smeels they don;t like using it, which is why it has to be emptied.


A dog can be
walked a couple of times a day,

As could a cat no?

No usually not most breds, but who the hell wants to get home after work and take the dog for a walk, what's up with dogs can't they walk themselves my cat can. My two previous cats could go out all by themselves and evebn come back by themselves.




so the tray can be horrible.

So I can imagine.

Hardly the worse thing slobbering dogs are far worse in my opionion .
How wants a dog that has just liked it's balls or eaten some **** to start slobbering over you.
well I know there are peole that do likie it but I've also know people to be into S&M.



Luckily, we have never had a cat and very few of our friends and
family have had them either.

So not much experience of them.
My dad had a dog, my mum used to say you could tell when it was about as it's farts stank.


Nor do most of the people whose gardens our daughter tends and ALL of
them suffer from and complain about cats fouling in their garden. ;-(

yes it is a problem

I'm pretty sure something will be done about it (legally) in the
future,

Not sure what can be done exactly.

just as I did with smoking way back then.

But it's no illgal to smoke outside even if teh smoke goes into someone elses garden


Cheers, T i m

On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 08:12:06 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:46:25 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:18:51 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:08:00 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
Later today I will have to steel myself to go "out there" for the
first time with the mower this year, but first I'll have to attack the
cat mess.

I'm desperate for a better solution!

(By the way, no point suggesting stopping cats messing on my lawn.
I've tried everything in that department already, short of having
automatic scatterguns like on the former East German border fence.)

Diversionary tactics? Provide a small area of freshly dug and raked
soil. For full authenticity, plant some valuable seeds.

Are you certain it is not Fox poo? Pointy ends. Cats prefer to bury
their gifts.

Cats probably start out with the best of intentions, but they are lazy
and just do one or two token scratches in the earth. No way do they
bury it.

I've checked on the internet and fox poo looks different. Plus, I've
seen cats on the lawn preparing their typical squatting position. I'm
frequently too late to shoo 'em away, though.


If yuo see a cat do a littel arse shuffel it;s more likely they are putting scent down than taking a ****.

No, that's when they hold their rear ends slighltly upwards, then
shuffle.

it depends where they are, I've been watching a few. They mark grass at low level as well as bushes etc...
Although the cat I was watchign was spraying at a piont where a fox was.

On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 08:15:26 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:11:10 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:11:28 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo , ARW adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

The mower is probably still more sterile than the gents door handle in the
local pub.

This is a modern day problem. Trying to find the bit of the handle that
you think no one else has used. Or hang around looking dodgy until
someone else comes in or goes out and you can tailgate them, which makes
you look even dodgier.

Just use the sleeve of your jacket. It's not rocket sicence!

Not much use if you aren't wearing a jacket.

I'd like to see hand sanitiser sprays installed outside. They'd be easy
to site because there'd no need to hide them from the gaze of
other-sex-people or passer-by.

They'd get nicked.

Our local hospital had a lot gettign knicked apparently it was let just say oour friends from abroad drinking ot to get drunk, I wouldn;t have thought it possible, a local shop as 3 litres of vodka for a fiver too.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:06:53 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:29:47 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:47:51 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:44:58 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

snip

I have had complete success in removing the problem using an ultrasonic
cat scarer. Although designed to be battery operated, they eat batteries
so I made dummy cells to fit inside and run it from a DC wallwart inside
a nearby building with low voltage wire exiting through an airbrick. One
unit is covering about 60 sq metres mounted unobtrusively in one corner.
We our garden is completely open to the road and we don't even see any
cats taking a short cut or even a "**** cut" since installing it about 9
months ago.

Result. Would you have a link to the one you actually used please Bob?

Any idea how it may impact any other creatures, like birds or people
walking past with their dogs etc (the dogs, I doubt the people could
hear it)? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I used this one http://tinyurl.com/zpsbdak

The pattern of the pir is a low level fan across the grass so birds
unless they land on the ground are not affected. We feed them from
hanging feeders so they are happy.
People need to come onto our land to trigger the PIR, passing on the
pavement will not trigger it.
My son can hear it each time and sometimes my ears will pickup the pulse
envelope not the carrier.

The battery cover screws on with minuscule screws self tapped into
plastic but with my remote power supply, everything was fitted, tested
and then sealed with neutral cure silicone and has remained working. The
PIR has a blue led for walk testing which provides an indication it
continues to work.
hth
Bob

I've now followed the links and also found the Pestbye product on
Amazon.co.uk for £14.99 (although the eBay offer is selling TWO for
£24.99). Don't know whether I'd need two for quite a small lawn (6m x
6m approx).

But what struck me was the number of customer reviews on the Amazon
page: 2,793!

Also, the product is listed as "#1 Best Seller in Pet & Wild Animal
Control".

Looks highly likely I'll try one. However, the manufacturer reckons
that batteries should last for 3 - 4 months.

The walk testing thingie also sounds as if the company knows what it's
doing, because that would have been my next question: How to tell.

MM

Based on my experience, one will be sufficient for your needs.
I chose on the basis that it had controls for pulse type and volume.
In practice mid range and full volume (why not?) seems to have worked.

Well, Bob, I ordered one early yesterday! From Amazon. By Pestbye, as
you recommended. But only a single one (£14.99). They dispatched it
the same day, so I might even receive it today, certainly tomorrow.

Watch this space! (Soon to be free of any trace of the sticky stuff,
hopefully!)

MM

I sincerely hope it works as well for you as it has done here.
Once again I can use my flymo with confidence these days.

It did come today and I've just assembled it. While still on my desk
the blue light comes on if I move my hand in front of it, then goes
off after about 4 seconds. What the leaflet does NOT explain, however,
is what position to set the Sens. and Freq. knobs to initially (bit
weak of them, I thought). I've set both knobs to midway, and am just
about to clear away all traces of cat poop, mow the lawn, then stick
the stake in the ground.

So, those knobs, about midway sounds about right to start with, do you
reckon?

Thanks!

MM

MM wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:06:53 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:29:47 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:47:51 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:44:58 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

snip

I have had complete success in removing the problem using an ultrasonic
cat scarer. Although designed to be battery operated, they eat batteries
so I made dummy cells to fit inside and run it from a DC wallwart inside
a nearby building with low voltage wire exiting through an airbrick. One
unit is covering about 60 sq metres mounted unobtrusively in one corner.
We our garden is completely open to the road and we don't even see any
cats taking a short cut or even a "**** cut" since installing it about 9
months ago.

Result. Would you have a link to the one you actually used please Bob?

Any idea how it may impact any other creatures, like birds or people
walking past with their dogs etc (the dogs, I doubt the people could
hear it)? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I used this one http://tinyurl.com/zpsbdak

The pattern of the pir is a low level fan across the grass so birds
unless they land on the ground are not affected. We feed them from
hanging feeders so they are happy.
People need to come onto our land to trigger the PIR, passing on the
pavement will not trigger it.
My son can hear it each time and sometimes my ears will pickup the pulse
envelope not the carrier.

The battery cover screws on with minuscule screws self tapped into
plastic but with my remote power supply, everything was fitted, tested
and then sealed with neutral cure silicone and has remained working. The
PIR has a blue led for walk testing which provides an indication it
continues to work.
hth
Bob

I've now followed the links and also found the Pestbye product on
Amazon.co.uk for £14.99 (although the eBay offer is selling TWO for
£24.99). Don't know whether I'd need two for quite a small lawn (6m x
6m approx).

But what struck me was the number of customer reviews on the Amazon
page: 2,793!

Also, the product is listed as "#1 Best Seller in Pet & Wild Animal
Control".

Looks highly likely I'll try one. However, the manufacturer reckons
that batteries should last for 3 - 4 months.

The walk testing thingie also sounds as if the company knows what it's
doing, because that would have been my next question: How to tell.

MM

Based on my experience, one will be sufficient for your needs.
I chose on the basis that it had controls for pulse type and volume.
In practice mid range and full volume (why not?) seems to have worked.

Well, Bob, I ordered one early yesterday! From Amazon. By Pestbye, as
you recommended. But only a single one (£14.99). They dispatched it
the same day, so I might even receive it today, certainly tomorrow.

Watch this space! (Soon to be free of any trace of the sticky stuff,
hopefully!)

MM

I sincerely hope it works as well for you as it has done here.
Once again I can use my flymo with confidence these days.

It did come today and I've just assembled it. While still on my desk
the blue light comes on if I move my hand in front of it, then goes
off after about 4 seconds. What the leaflet does NOT explain, however,
is what position to set the Sens. and Freq. knobs to initially (bit
weak of them, I thought). I've set both knobs to midway, and am just
about to clear away all traces of cat poop, mow the lawn, then stick
the stake in the ground.

So, those knobs, about midway sounds about right to start with, do you
reckon?

Thanks!

MM

The ebay twin listing says frequency setting as follows.

Cats - Between 3 - 5
Dogs - Between 3 - 4
Foxes - Between 3 - 6
Squirrels Between 2 - 7
Rodents - Between 2 - 7
Insects - Between 2 - 7
Roaches - Between 9 - 11


Ours is set to just before spot 5 on the dial for both and I think I
started with a similar philosophy to you and don't recall much fiddling.

Apologies for my earlier post suggestion the controls were frequency and
volume - oops!

Incidentally, those little screws threaded into the plastic holding the
battery cover are not likely to last for very many battery changes. I
made two dummy cells from AA sized dowels with woodscrews and solder
tags in the ends To pick up the ends of the 6volt series connected cells
(after checking that there was no connection from other cell junctions)
and then sealed it up with neutral cure silicone - dont use the vingear
smelling stuff as that will slowly corrode the electronics inside.

hth

Bob

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 05:59:18 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Monday, 18 April 2016 22:57:07 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:33:49 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

Dogs are pack animals, they will happily stay in your home and stay with
you when you walk them.

Yup, just how it should be if you own an animal.

Try doing that with a fish.

Cats are solitary, their nature is to explore,
hide away, hunt and sleep.

Exactly, so not really 'a pet' then?

yes exactly like a pet.

Hmmm, I'd say a pet that spends most of it's time out of the house and
out of your sight wasn't a pet but just an animal you look after, are
(supposed to be) or play with now_and_again ... more like fell ponies
or racing pigeons.

A pet or companion animal is an animal kept primarily for a person's company

Yes, company, and remember we aren't talking about 'indoor' 'pets' but
those who aren't being 'companions'.

or protection, as opposed to working animals, sport animals, livestock, and laboratory animals, which are kept primarily for performance, agricultural value, or research.

Yup.

The most popular pets are noted for their attractive appearances and their loyal or playful personalities.

And as you have said, 'their company', something absent whilst they
are absent?


Cats on the other hand can dive out of a door the moment you
open it,

(as will some (peoples) dogs)

Most pets have that ability to some extent.

Fish? ;-)



As well as that, cat litter trays stink the house out.

'Tough'? If you (they) don't like the smell, don't have that sort of
'pet'?

My cats tray doesn't. If t smeels they don;t like using it, which is why it has to be emptied.

Ok.


A dog can be
walked a couple of times a day,

As could a cat no?

No usually not most breds, but who the hell wants to get home after work and take the dog for a walk,

Millions (billions?) of people? Maybe you don't understand they whole
'outdoor' concept. ;-)

what's up with dogs can't they walk themselves my cat can.

Dogs can (and do I'm sure) just as easily cats do but dog owners are
held responsible for the actions of their dogs, unlike cat owners it
seems (so far anyway).

My two previous cats could go out all by themselves and evebn come back by themselves.

Erm .. yes ... ? Isn't that one of their supposed advantages?



so the tray can be horrible.

So I can imagine.

Hardly the worse thing slobbering dogs are far worse in my opionion .

No, I agree, 'slobbering dogs can nearly be as unpleasant as most
cats. ;-)

How wants a dog that has just liked it's balls or eaten some **** to start slobbering over you.

Very few I should imagine and as 'desirable' as cats walking over your
food preparation surfaces or damaging your HiFi, vases or laptop?

well I know there are peole that do likie it but I've also know people to be into S&M.

;-)



Luckily, we have never had a cat and very few of our friends and
family have had them either.

So not much experience of them.

I have had as much experience of them to know that I have no need /
use / desire for one, ever.

My dad had a dog, my mum used to say you could tell when it was about as it's farts stank.

Yup, anything that eats can fart and it can stink.


Nor do most of the people whose gardens our daughter tends and ALL of
them suffer from and complain about cats fouling in their garden. ;-(

yes it is a problem

I / they / millions of people round the world know.

I'm pretty sure something will be done about it (legally) in the
future,

Not sure what can be done exactly.

Chipping, DNA, licences, owner responsibility.

just as I did with smoking way back then.

But it's no illgal to smoke outside even if teh smoke goes into someone elses garden

No, but the idea that the non smokers just have to put up with it or
go elsewhere was overturned and now it's those creating the smell /
smoke / -ve health effects are the ones who now have to give way to
the wishes of the majority.

Just as dogs *now* have to be chipped (and therefore their owners will
be more culpable) something could be done about cat pollution (via
their owners), just as can be done with nuisance neighbours, ASBO kids
or on-street-drinking.

Cheers, T i m

On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 20:24:22 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 05:59:18 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Monday, 18 April 2016 22:57:07 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:33:49 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

Dogs are pack animals, they will happily stay in your home and stay with
you when you walk them.

Yup, just how it should be if you own an animal.

Try doing that with a fish.

Cats are solitary, their nature is to explore,
hide away, hunt and sleep.

Exactly, so not really 'a pet' then?

yes exactly like a pet.

Hmmm, I'd say a pet that spends most of it's time out of the house and
out of your sight wasn't a pet but just an animal you look after,

Sounds like a wife to me.
if you're out of the house during the day and asleep most of the night.....
you're only possible 'pets' are yuor work collegues in some cases your apprentice.


are
(supposed to be) or play with now_and_again ... more like fell ponies
or racing pigeons.

A pet or companion animal is an animal kept primarily for a person's company

Yes, company, and remember we aren't talking about 'indoor' 'pets' but
those who aren't being 'companions'.

Like horses, you do know that peolpe have differnt ideas on pets which is why you don;t get those that are interested in rding in the country might consoder getting a horse rather than a gold fish.



The most popular pets are noted for their attractive appearances and their loyal or playful personalities.

And as you have said, 'their company', something absent whilst they
are absent?

Same goes for lovers, friends and family they don;t have to be there 24/7 do they.
I have friends in differnent parts of the world I don;t have to share a bed and house with them, I might not speak to them for a week or more doesn't mean they aren't friends.



Cats on the other hand can dive out of a door the moment you
open it,

(as will some (peoples) dogs)

Most pets have that ability to some extent.

Fish? ;-)

that's why I said most although one fish I had kept hidding in a shell.
It was a Siamese fighting fish and it kept hiding.
Just because I couldn't see it that didn't mean it didn't exist or that I didn't class it as a pet.



A dog can be
walked a couple of times a day,

As could a cat no?

No usually not most breds, but who the hell wants to get home after work and take the dog for a walk,

Millions (billions?) of people? Maybe you don't understand they whole
'outdoor' concept. ;-)

I go to a pub where dogs and kids aren't allowed.


what's up with dogs can't they walk themselves my cat can.

Dogs can (and do I'm sure) just as easily cats do but dog owners are
held responsible for the actions of their dogs, unlike cat owners it
seems (so far anyway).

Most things cats do aren't life threatening, but most people aren't allowed to keep lions and tigers, pumas, lynx, which are cats.


My two previous cats could go out all by themselves and evebn come back by themselves.

Erm .. yes ... ? Isn't that one of their supposed advantages?

I'd say it's more than just a proposed advantage.


Luckily, we have never had a cat and very few of our friends and
family have had them either.

So not much experience of them.

I have had as much experience of them to know that I have no need /
use / desire for one, ever.

I feel the same about horses too.


My dad had a dog, my mum used to say you could tell when it was about as it's farts stank.

Yup, anything that eats can fart and it can stink.

Maybe my mum was talking about my dad never did find out.


Nor do most of the people whose gardens our daughter tends and ALL of
them suffer from and complain about cats fouling in their garden. ;-(

yes it is a problem

I / they / millions of people round the world know.

I'm pretty sure something will be done about it (legally) in the
future,

Not sure what can be done exactly.

Chipping, DNA, licences, owner responsibility.

but what can be done, I see plenty of peolpe let their dogs take a **** in teh street and dont clear it up, puttign a notice up doesn't seem to change much,
maybe we should teach dogs how to read.


just as I did with smoking way back then.

But it's no illgal to smoke outside even if teh smoke goes into someone elses garden

No, but the idea that the non smokers just have to put up with it or
go elsewhere was overturned and now it's those creating the smell /
smoke / -ve health effects are the ones who now have to give way to
the wishes of the majority.

maybe the same will happen with smelly food as it has on the buses and tube.


Just as dogs *now* have to be chipped (and therefore their owners will
be more culpable) something could be done about cat pollution (via
their owners), just as can be done with nuisance neighbours, ASBO kids
or on-street-drinking.

trouble is inteligent people know that cats canlt be trained (yet) in gteh same way dogs can, you'd have better luck bringin ina law that made it illegal for MPS to lie, you'd have thopught they'd do that as a priority rather than worry about cat ****.

You can't stop cats ****ting where they want to and you can;t stop MPS lying for votes.


Cheers, T i m

On 18/04/2016 08:26, MM wrote:

What about the bags full of grass clippings that you're going to load
into the boot of your car to take to the local waste recycling centre?
Or don't you mind transporting minced cat poo 5 feet behind your head?

(We don't have a green waste collection in South Lincs.)

MM

In Lincs., with grass that needs mowing, is there not a bit of
space to compost the cuttings ?. Add other dry material and keep
covered with a bit of old pond liner, mix occasionally and
you will end up with a compost.

On 19/04/2016 08:26, MM wrote:

are brilliant. Yeah, well, yer pays yer money... etc etc. But I can't
afford going private.

MM

How much longer can the 'free' NHS afford those that don't ?.

In article , MM
writes
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:39:50 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:46:25 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:18:51 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:08:00 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
Later today I will have to steel myself to go "out there" for the
first time with the mower this year, but first I'll have to attack the
cat mess.

I'm desperate for a better solution!

(By the way, no point suggesting stopping cats messing on my lawn.
I've tried everything in that department already, short of having
automatic scatterguns like on the former East German border fence.)

Diversionary tactics? Provide a small area of freshly dug and raked
soil. For full authenticity, plant some valuable seeds.

Are you certain it is not Fox poo? Pointy ends. Cats prefer to bury
their gifts.

Cats probably start out with the best of intentions, but they are lazy
and just do one or two token scratches in the earth. No way do they
bury it.

I've checked on the internet and fox poo looks different. Plus, I've
seen cats on the lawn preparing their typical squatting position. I'm
frequently too late to shoo 'em away, though.


If yuo see a cat do a littel arse shuffel it;s more likely they are
putting scent down than taking a ****.


Arse shuffles in both cats and dogs are an indication either of worms,
anal sac retention (blocked glands around the anus), or some other
disorder in the anal region. See http://tinyurl.com/h4ra6uv and
http://tinyurl.com/k4rzybb

I've heard it's worms. What a fun thing to have bits of canine
intestinal worm being ground into the carpet. Even worse when the dog
owner comes round to your house and wouldn't dream of leaving Fido
outside.

It's not for nothing that all food shops ban dogs, except guide dogs.

MM
Dogs are banned by law from premises where food is prepared. Where food
is served it is at the discretion of the proprietor.
--
bert

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:29:33 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 18/04/2016 08:26, MM wrote:

What about the bags full of grass clippings that you're going to load
into the boot of your car to take to the local waste recycling centre?
Or don't you mind transporting minced cat poo 5 feet behind your head?

(We don't have a green waste collection in South Lincs.)

MM

In Lincs., with grass that needs mowing, is there not a bit of
space to compost the cuttings ?. Add other dry material and keep
covered with a bit of old pond liner, mix occasionally and
you will end up with a compost.

But what do I do with all that compost? I took three large Wilko green
sacks of grass clippings to the tip yesterday. There'll be another two
or three next week and the week after, all through the summer. That's
a heck of a lot of compost!

MM

On Thursday, 21 April 2016 07:31:04 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:29:33 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 18/04/2016 08:26, MM wrote:

What about the bags full of grass clippings that you're going to load
into the boot of your car to take to the local waste recycling centre?
Or don't you mind transporting minced cat poo 5 feet behind your head?

(We don't have a green waste collection in South Lincs.)

MM

In Lincs., with grass that needs mowing, is there not a bit of
space to compost the cuttings ?. Add other dry material and keep
covered with a bit of old pond liner, mix occasionally and
you will end up with a compost.

But what do I do with all that compost? I took three large Wilko green
sacks of grass clippings to the tip yesterday. There'll be another two
or three next week and the week after, all through the summer. That's
a heck of a lot of compost!

MM

I thought composting was reducing what was there and it becomes smaller in time
a bit liike a black hole but more smelly.

On 18/04/2016 08:52, MM wrote:


But what struck me was the number of customer reviews on the Amazon
page: 2,793!

But 400+ say it doesn't work.

My experience with something similar was that the vermin got used to it
after a week or so and just ignored it.

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mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 01:41:24 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 18/04/2016 08:52, MM wrote:


But what struck me was the number of customer reviews on the Amazon
page: 2,793!

But 400+ say it doesn't work.

But 2,300-odd didn't, therefore they're happy!


My experience with something similar was that the vermin got used to it
after a week or so and just ignored it.

My lawn was freshly mown 3 days ago and the Pestbye installed. So far,
no cat mess! Success!

(Normally, a freshly mown lawn has acted like a magnet for cats'
bottoms on past experience.)

MM