I have an OVO Smart Meter with E7.

I am trying to ascertain the times of the cheap night time rate change-overs.
The previous meter was sent the time from an electro-mechanical timer: which
had no idea as to whether the time was GMT or BST. So of course the cheap
rate timings moved by an hour as GMT changed to BST and vice versa.
Does anyone know whether the time in the OVO Smart meter changes as BST and GMT
come and go with the result that the cheap rate time is always mid-night to
0700 - or does it become 0100 to 0800 as the clocks are changed.
I am currently finding it impossible to get a definitive answer from OVO - but
they are "working on it". Hopefully they will let me know before the clocks
next change ! but I would be interested to know if any one else knows.
Given that it is a Smart Meter - then I would have thought the time in the
meter would change as the clocks change and hence the time periods would always
be at the same constant times.

OVO-user wrote:


I have an OVO Smart Meter with E7.

I am trying to ascertain the times of the cheap night time rate change-overs.
The previous meter was sent the time from an electro-mechanical timer: which
had no idea as to whether the time was GMT or BST. So of course the cheap
rate timings moved by an hour as GMT changed to BST and vice versa.
Does anyone know whether the time in the OVO Smart meter changes as BST and GMT
come and go with the result that the cheap rate time is always mid-night to
0700 - or does it become 0100 to 0800 as the clocks are changed.
I am currently finding it impossible to get a definitive answer from OVO - but
they are "working on it". Hopefully they will let me know before the clocks
next change ! but I would be interested to know if any one else knows.
Given that it is a Smart Meter - then I would have thought the time in the
meter would change as the clocks change and hence the time periods would always
be at the same constant times.


Are OVO also your power supplier? If not, the timings are set by your
supplier, not OVO (according to their website).

Tim

OVO-user wrote:

I have an OVO Smart Meter with E7.

I am trying to ascertain the times of the cheap night time rate change-overs.

Does the meter not indicate which rate it is currently
incrementing?

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:25:13 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

You'll have to wait for BST to kick in before you can do this, but sit
up on change-over night and watch the meter while some high power
item, like a kettle or fan heater is running.

How is having a load or not on the normal supply going to show
anything(*)? The meter measures kWhrs they don't change only the
cost. The meter should have flag of some sort to indicate which
register is being incremented but that'll change at zero or full
load.

(*) One would assume that those with E7 also make best use of what is
otherwise expensive electricity by haveing storage heaters. They'll
be on the switched supply and them coming in will make the meter spin
somewhat quicker or make the LED flicker...

The fact that old E7 meters like ours and your old one weren't
designed to be changed for BST suggests that the grid isn't really
that sensitive to precisely when E7 switches in and out.

The only thing that E7 gives you is 7 hours out of every 24 at cheap
rate. An individual supply will (should...) be fixed but across all
E7 supplies tere is a spread from about midnight to 0200 for the
start. The grid would have a problem if all E7's switched on at
precisely 00:03:42... it doesn't have problem with E7 switching over
a period of time.

I say should as our mechancial time switch stops during power cuts so
the off peak period slowly slides through the day depending on power
cuts.

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Dave.

Surely there is an indicator on the display. The switching is usually by a
dadio signal.

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:20:05 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

Surely there is an indicator on the display. The switching is usually by
a dadio signal.

Jazz-hands?

Strangely, the one dumb meter I have actually claims to have a radio code
clock inside it, which one assumes will be changed when required. I'm not up
in how much control these meters allow from the companies.

They told me that when they eventually fit a smart meter they will also
supply some lcd screenthing to give me more info etc, but of course being
blind this is going to be as useful as a chocolate fireguard!
Brian

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I have an OVO Smart Meter with E7.

I am trying to ascertain the times of the cheap night time rate
change-overs.
The previous meter was sent the time from an electro-mechanical timer:
which
had no idea as to whether the time was GMT or BST. So of course the
cheap
rate timings moved by an hour as GMT changed to BST and vice versa.
Does anyone know whether the time in the OVO Smart meter changes as BST
and GMT
come and go with the result that the cheap rate time is always mid-night
to
0700 - or does it become 0100 to 0800 as the clocks are changed.
I am currently finding it impossible to get a definitive answer from OVO -
but
they are "working on it". Hopefully they will let me know before the
clocks
next change ! but I would be interested to know if any one else knows.
Given that it is a Smart Meter - then I would have thought the time in the
meter would change as the clocks change and hence the time periods would
always
be at the same constant times.

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On 2016-01-19, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:25:13 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

You'll have to wait for BST to kick in before you can do this, but sit
up on change-over night and watch the meter while some high power
item, like a kettle or fan heater is running.

How is having a load or not on the normal supply going to show
anything(*)? The meter measures kWhrs they don't change only the
cost. The meter should have flag of some sort to indicate which
register is being incremented but that'll change at zero or full
load.

Our digital (not "smart") meter has a "^" symbol blinking under the
rate in effect, but you'd have to pay attention to know that "1" is
night & "2" is day.


(*) One would assume that those with E7 also make best use of what is
otherwise expensive electricity by haveing storage heaters. They'll
be on the switched supply and them coming in will make the meter spin
somewhat quicker or make the LED flicker...

I'm not sure about that. We use over 30% of our electricity at night,
just from the "background" stuff (fridge-freezer, spare fridge, spare
freezer), a dehumidifier on a timer in the cellar, & doing most of the
laundry & dishwasher use overnight.

Im an Ovo customer using a smart meter apparently the meters fitted are gmt not bst and it would appears that the smart meter cannot change between winter and summer time , hence during bst the economy comes in at 1.15am in my case until 8.15 although the later time Ive not checked as spent the beginning of the night checking.so was asleep at 8.15 . The meter was only fitted on the 5 th April so Ive to wait until the 17th May for it to settle, so Im told , quite honestly for me I dont consider this SMART meter meter very smart

On 01/05/2018 12:10, wrote:
Im an Ovo customer using a smart meter apparently the meters fitted are gmt not bst and it would appears that the smart meter cannot change between winter and summer time , hence during bst the economy comes in at 1.15am in my case until 8.15 although the later time Ive not checked as spent the beginning of the night checking.so was asleep at 8.15 . The meter was only fitted on the 5 th April so Ive to wait until the 17th May for it to settle, so Im told , quite honestly for me I dont consider this SMART meter meter very smart

Traditional Economy 7 using electromechanical time-switches doesn't
adjust between GMT and BST as there's no point, though your times do
seem to be a bit off. When I had Economy 7 it was from 2330 to 0630 GMT
or so, and 0030 to 0730 BST, though they're not supposed to switch
everyone at the same time as that would upset the loading as people's
storage heaters and off-peak immersion heaters cut in and out. I don't
know whether they did this deliberately or just allowed the times to drift.

I suggest you make use of the odd times by using your washing machine or
cooking stuff in the oven before 0815, getting stuff ready the night before.

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On 01/05/2018 12:46, Max Demian wrote:
I suggest you make use of the odd times by using your washing machine

Hope your neighbours are deaf, night workers or heavy sleepers !

On 02/05/2018 19:52, Andrew wrote:
On 01/05/2018 12:46, Max Demian wrote:
I suggest you make use of the odd times by using your washing machine

Hope your neighbours are deaf, night workers or heavy sleepers !

I was suggesting starting the activity at 7am or so, so there would be
an hour and a quarter at the economy rate.

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I have been told that economy 7 on smart meters is not currently supported
due to a software issue. I thought how unsurprising that is, considering the
ineptitude thus far over smart meter design and lack of communication.
I spoke to a person about 9 months ago at the regulators, whatever they are
called this week, and (Ofgen?) who told me categorically that there were now
talking remote units in stock for the energy companies and there should be
no problem with Economy 7. Spool on a couple of months and EDF categorically
told me exactly the opposite, ie no talking remote units, and economy 7 was
still not being supported.
There have been items over the last few years on BBC You and yours on
these problems but it seems that still, the regulators and the companies are
not actually talking to each other on these issues.
Brian

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On 01/05/2018 12:46, Max Demian wrote:
I suggest you make use of the odd times by using your washing machine

Hope your neighbours are deaf, night workers or heavy sleepers !

Brian Gaff wrote:

I have been told that economy 7 on smart meters is not currently supported

I though someone here mentioned an E7 smartmeter some time ago?
I forget which supplier ...

OK EDF was my one, now tell me which has one?
Brian

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Brian Gaff wrote:

I have been told that economy 7 on smart meters is not currently
supported

I though someone here mentioned an E7 smartmeter some time ago?
I forget which supplier ...

Brian Gaff wrote:

OK EDF was my one, now tell me which has one?

Google says that it was Ovo Energy, as reported by Peter Johnson.

On 03/05/2018 07:36, Brian Gaff wrote:

There have been items over the last few years on BBC You and yours on
these problems but it seems that still, the regulators and the companies are
not actually talking to each other on these issues.
Brian


The "government minister" was on BBC Watchdog last night. There is
nothing wrong with the roll out program and these smart meters are
saving people money! The meter fitters are finding lots of safety issues
in customers premises. Unfortunately the BBC interviewer was equally as
clueless and didn't question how people were saving money and how much
nor possible problems of incompatibility and battery life for gas meters
etc.


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On 03/05/2018 22:00, alan_m wrote:
On 03/05/2018 07:36, Brian Gaff wrote:

Â* There have beenÂ* items over the last few years on BBC You and yours on
these problems but it seems that still, the regulators and the
companies are
not actually talking to each other on these issues.
Â* Brian


The "government minister" was on BBC Watchdog last night.Â* There is
nothing wrong with the roll out program and these smart meters are
saving people money! The meter fitters are finding lots of safety issues
in customers premises. Unfortunately the BBC interviewer was equally as
clueless and didn't question how people were saving money and how much
nor possible problems of incompatibility and battery life for gas meters
etc.

I am probably being overly suspicious here, but having not got round to
giving my readings for a while, the estimated ones were a bit out -
overestimated electricity usage and underestimated gas usage. I put in
the readings a couple of days ago and their system has now updated. If I
go to my usage graph online, I can no longer compare my electricity
month by month to last year's, as it has miscalculated my usage. Instead
of realising that the estimate was too high and adjusting the previous
estimates a bit, it has assumed that I have run off the end of the meter
reading limit and wrapped around, so it displays as over 99,000KWh for
April! This scales every other month down to the zero line, so I can't
see any difference. Now to the suspicion bit - they told me that there
is nothing they can do about it and that feature will remain useless to
me ... unless I let them fit a Smart meter!

They have confirmed that it is only the usage graph and my usage for
billing has calculated correctly and I am now in credit.

SteveW