How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?


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On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?


RTFM.

On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Owain

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:58:04 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Owain

Mine goes directly into the CU to a 6A breaker, the transformer is
protected by its own 1A fuse.
It can't be very efficient, I could replace it with a socket and a
plug-in SMPS, I've plenty of 12V 2A units for CCTV/LED ribbon
lighting.


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Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:58:04 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Owain

Mine goes directly into the CU to a 6A breaker, the transformer is
protected by its own 1A fuse.
It can't be very efficient, I could replace it with a socket and a
plug-in SMPS, I've plenty of 12V 2A units for CCTV/LED ribbon
lighting.



Lot to be said for batteries in conventional doorbells. The usage pattern
means that they last for years and years and years and years....
Seriously, hardly seems worth the bother and extra wiring involved unless
you want a light up bell push.

Tim

Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

You don't. You buy a wireless one.

On 20/11/2015 21:45, Tim+ wrote:
Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:58:04 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Owain

Mine goes directly into the CU to a 6A breaker, the transformer is
protected by its own 1A fuse.
It can't be very efficient, I could replace it with a socket and a
plug-in SMPS, I've plenty of 12V 2A units for CCTV/LED ribbon
lighting.



Lot to be said for batteries in conventional doorbells. The usage pattern
means that they last for years and years and years and years....
Seriously, hardly seems worth the bother and extra wiring involved unless
you want a light up bell push.

Tim

There's perhaps something to be said for having a 13A socket near the
CU. Should be an unfused spur if not on its own breaker of course. I
have one which the damp-proof people put in to power their active DPC
may years ago (required by the bank for the mortgage, for all the good
it ever did). But it has been handy over the years for soldering irons,
hot air guns, and lead lights when I have needed to do something in that
area. I put a spare double socket next to the water tanks in the loft
for much the same reason, which came in handy when I added a brace of
Stuart Turners.

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

You don't. You buy a wireless one.




And those ****s, whose parents deny they do any wrong, steal the push button
from your door and make your life misery by transmitting from a distance
sometimes even from within their own homes.

Anyone want a wireless doorbell reciver (Westminster Chime) going cheap?

Krankie wrote:

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

You don't. You buy a wireless one.




And those ****s, whose parents deny they do any wrong, steal the push button
from your door and make your life misery by transmitting from a distance
sometimes even from within their own homes.

Anyone want a wireless doorbell reciver (Westminster Chime) going cheap?




They are the work of Satan (generally). Both my immediate neighbours have
them. They hardly ever work. Useless for uPVC door frames (which nobody
seems to warn prospective purchasers about). Then, when they don't work,
you have two batteries to faff about with to make it work again.

Wired doorbell every time for me.

Tim

On Friday, 20 November 2015 23:11:43 UTC, Tim wrote:
Krankie wrote:

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

You don't. You buy a wireless one.




And those ****s, whose parents deny they do any wrong, steal the push button
from your door and make your life misery by transmitting from a distance
sometimes even from within their own homes.

Anyone want a wireless doorbell reciver (Westminster Chime) going cheap?




They are the work of Satan (generally). Both my immediate neighbours have
them. They hardly ever work. Useless for uPVC door frames (which nobody
seems to warn prospective purchasers about). Then, when they don't work,
you have two batteries to faff about with to make it work again.

Wired doorbell every time for me.

Tim

+1. Wireless guarantees you'll miss visitors.


NT

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:39:27 -0800, tabbypurr wrote:

On Friday, 20 November 2015 23:11:43 UTC, Tim wrote:
Krankie wrote:

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

You don't. You buy a wireless one.




And those ****s, whose parents deny they do any wrong, steal the push
button from your door and make your life misery by transmitting from
a distance sometimes even from within their own homes.

Anyone want a wireless doorbell reciver (Westminster Chime) going
cheap?




They are the work of Satan (generally). Both my immediate neighbours
have them. They hardly ever work. Useless for uPVC door frames (which
nobody seems to warn prospective purchasers about). Then, when they
don't work,
you have two batteries to faff about with to make it work again.

Wired doorbell every time for me.

Tim

+1. Wireless guarantees you'll miss visitors.

Same here. But no mains and no battery either (sort of). The button pulls
an input on an Arduino that then tells the PBX to ring all the phones
with a 'special' ring (as I mentioned before). USB powered!

On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?


If you have to ask, the answer must be "with great care"

On Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:01:42 UTC, wrote:
On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?


If you have to ask, the answer must be "with great care"

the question is too vague... the op must be quite clueless


NT

In article ,
wrote:
On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Or a direct connection to a lighting circuit. If handy.

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On 21/11/2015 00:03, wrote:
On Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:01:42 UTC, wrote:
On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?


If you have to ask, the answer must be "with great care"

the question is too vague... the op must be quite clueless

More milk tibbles?



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On Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:16:30 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/11/2015 00:03, nt wrote:
On Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:01:42 UTC, wrote:
On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:

How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

If you have to ask, the answer must be "with great care"

the question is too vague... the op must be quite clueless

More milk tibbles?

yum


NT

In message , Mr Pounder Esquire
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Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

You don't. You buy a wireless one.

Argh! Yes, we have a wireless door bell which is filed under U for
Useless. The signal will not pass our granite walls. The only way to
use it is to have the bell so close to the door we could hear someone
outside without the poxy bell!
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Graeme

On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?



I would use one or more slender, stringlike pieces or filaments of
relatively rigid or flexible metal, circular in section, woven or
twisted together and insulated with a dielectric material.

Bill

On 21/11/2015 07:47, Bill Wright wrote:
On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?



I would use one or more slender, stringlike pieces or filaments of
relatively rigid or flexible metal, circular in section, woven or
twisted together and insulated with a dielectric material.

Bill

So no use of (additional) ceramics then.

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What kind of question is that. I'm tempted to suggest RTFM!
Brian

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"Michael Chare" wrote in message
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How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?


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I've always fancied one of those mechanical door bells you used to see in
UpstairsDownstairs with brass plungers and bits of string and pulleys and
stuff. I wonder if anyone makes them?
Brian

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?



I would use one or more slender, stringlike pieces or filaments of
relatively rigid or flexible metal, circular in section, woven or twisted
together and insulated with a dielectric material.

Bill

On 21/11/2015 08:48, Brian-Gaff wrote:
What kind of question is that. I'm tempted to suggest RTFM!
Brian

Unfortunately I don't have a copy handy.

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Michael Chare wrote:
On 21/11/2015 08:48, Brian-Gaff wrote:
What kind of question is that. I'm tempted to suggest RTFM!
Brian

Unfortunately I don't have a copy handy.


If only someone would invent a way of searching the Internet... ;-)

Try this site.
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technic...land/Index.htm

Tim

On Saturday, 21 November 2015 08:55:35 UTC, Brian-Gaff wrote:
I've always fancied one of those mechanical door bells you used to see in
UpstairsDownstairs with brass plungers and bits of string and pulleys and
stuff. I wonder if anyone makes them?

No pulleys.
Where do you suppose the term "bell crank" comes from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellcrank

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On 20/11/2015 20:49, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?


If you have to ask, the answer must be "with great care"


I have a DIN rail mounted transformer in my consumer unit.

What we should be able to get is a decent wireless set-up. I envisage a
button outside wired through to an internal transmitter unit so that the
batteries are kept inside,

On 21/11/2015 00:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Or a direct connection to a lighting circuit. If handy.


That might be the easiest to arrange. The other one I have just connects
to the fuse box very likely to one of the lighting circuit fuses. But it
was installed sometime ago so I was wondering if any new standards have
been introduced in the meantime.

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Byron do them. Start he they have the brass plungers too.

http://goo.gl/jVjZ1p

On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 08:55:33 +0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

I've always fancied one of those mechanical door bells you used to see
in UpstairsDownstairs with brass plungers and bits of string and
pulleys and stuff. I wonder if anyone makes them?
Brian

On 21/11/15 09:18, Michael Chare wrote:
On 21/11/2015 00:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Or a direct connection to a lighting circuit. If handy.


That might be the easiest to arrange. The other one I have just connects
to the fuse box very likely to one of the lighting circuit fuses. But it
was installed sometime ago so I was wondering if any new standards have
been introduced in the meantime.


Chugger and survey detection is a recent thing. Ye need a metal
discriminator circuit for clipboard carrying verification, and a high
voltage supply (IP67 negative) for the metal work of the bell push...

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Tim+ wrote:
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:58:04 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:

How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Owain

Mine goes directly into the CU to a 6A breaker, the transformer is
protected by its own 1A fuse.
It can't be very efficient, I could replace it with a socket and a
plug-in SMPS, I've plenty of 12V 2A units for CCTV/LED ribbon
lighting.



Lot to be said for batteries in conventional doorbells. The usage pattern
means that they last for years and years and years and years....
Seriously, hardly seems worth the bother and extra wiring involved unless
you want a light up bell push.

Tim


IME, batteries in doorbells are a pain. The batteries corrode
and the contacts tarnish which gives you a permanent ongoing maintenance
problem. Just the same problems as battery operated thermostats,
wireless or otherwise. A mains operated doorbell is a fit and forget
operation. Ours was here when we arrived and apart from a new bell push,
has operated faultlessly since the house was built in 1973.

On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 01:13:46 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

On Saturday, 21 November 2015 08:55:35 UTC, Brian-Gaff wrote:
I've always fancied one of those mechanical door bells you used to see in
UpstairsDownstairs with brass plungers and bits of string and pulleys and
stuff. I wonder if anyone makes them?

No pulleys.
Where do you suppose the term "bell crank" comes from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellcrank

Plenty of set ups had pulleys as well, look on the various
architectural salvage sites or Ebay for example.

Harry, Where the term Bell End comes from.

Harry
" Benefits is paid to ******* who are either thick or idle.
With the possible exception of some disabled."

Got your Winter Fuel Payment yet Harry?

You thick idle Tosser.

G.Harman

Church bells? Quasimodo? He was a bit of a crank?
No I'm sure there was some pulleys as well.
Brian

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"harry" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 21 November 2015 08:55:35 UTC, Brian-Gaff wrote:
I've always fancied one of those mechanical door bells you used to see in
UpstairsDownstairs with brass plungers and bits of string and pulleys
and
stuff. I wonder if anyone makes them?

No pulleys.
Where do you suppose the term "bell crank" comes from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellcrank

In article , Tim+ wrote:
Krankie wrote:

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

You don't. You buy a wireless one.




And those ****s, whose parents deny they do any wrong, steal the push
button from your door and make your life misery by transmitting from a
distance sometimes even from within their own homes.

Anyone want a wireless doorbell reciver (Westminster Chime) going cheap?




They are the work of Satan (generally). Both my immediate neighbours have
them. They hardly ever work. Useless for uPVC door frames (which nobody
seems to warn prospective purchasers about). Then, when they don't work,
you have two batteries to faff about with to make it work again.

Wired doorbell every time for me.

How about buying adecent make? Mine works well allowing bells in different
points in the house and one I can take into the garden.

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On Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:19:26 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?
1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fus
Or a direct connection to a lighting circuit. If handy.

I like to have some way of easily disabling the doorbell for halloween etc

Owain

On Saturday, 21 November 2015 08:55:35 UTC, Brian-Gaff wrote:
I've always fancied one of those mechanical door bells you used to see in
UpstairsDownstairs with brass plungers and bits of string and pulleys and
stuff. I wonder if anyone makes them?

Yes. Often called a butler's bell.

http://www.blackcountrymetalworks.co...l-hardware.htm

http://www.inbrass.co.uk/acatalog/Be...l_systems.html

Someone I know still has the 19th-century original in their flat.

Owain

In article ,
Brian-Gaff wrote:
I've always fancied one of those mechanical door bells you used to see
in UpstairsDownstairs with brass plungers and bits of string and
pulleys and stuff. I wonder if anyone makes them?

Well, if installing a proper mains bell with cables is too much trouble
for most on here...

And then you'd have to educate the delivery men on how to use it. Might be
difficult since some don't seem to know how to use a bell push. ;-)

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In article ,
Michael Chare wrote:
On 21/11/2015 00:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Friday, 20 November 2015 20:49:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?

1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fuse.

Or a direct connection to a lighting circuit. If handy.


That might be the easiest to arrange. The other one I have just connects
to the fuse box very likely to one of the lighting circuit fuses. But it
was installed sometime ago so I was wondering if any new standards have
been introduced in the meantime.

I've not seen a new one, but my 30 year old one has an internal fuse
anyway. So all the MCB or whatever has to protect is the wiring to it.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 21/11/2015 11:12, wrote:


I like to have some way of easily disabling the doorbell for halloween etc


The whole point of trick or treat is to trick the *******s by wiring the
door push to the mains.


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In article ,
Capitol wrote:
IME, batteries in doorbells are a pain. The batteries corrode
and the contacts tarnish which gives you a permanent ongoing maintenance
problem. Just the same problems as battery operated thermostats,
wireless or otherwise. A mains operated doorbell is a fit and forget
operation. Ours was here when we arrived and apart from a new bell push,
has operated faultlessly since the house was built in 1973.

Quite. I'd never use battery or wireless anything unless there is a good
reason to do so.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
wrote:
On Saturday, 21 November 2015 00:19:26 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
How would you connect a door bell transformer to the mains?
1mm cable to fused connection unit with 3A fus
Or a direct connection to a lighting circuit. If handy.

I like to have some way of easily disabling the doorbell for halloween
etc

Then they'd just bang on the door. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 21/11/2015 09:13, Tim+ wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
On 21/11/2015 08:48, Brian-Gaff wrote:
What kind of question is that. I'm tempted to suggest RTFM!
Brian

Unfortunately I don't have a copy handy.


If only someone would invent a way of searching the Internet... ;-)

Try this site.
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technic...land/Index.htm

Tim

Great site! Played the doorbell sounds over and over until the dogs had
nervous breakdowns!

Bill