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About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around
the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. |
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Well, one other thing to consider is a mixer device. A friend of mine says a
mixer device is available for cold fill machines that stops the high pressure cold going back up the hot feed and you set the mixing to a nice normally warm temp and it seems to work well. The issue of the hot running cold is not an issue as of course being a cold fill only it then just reverts to heating the cold water. I've not tried it myself, but I do wonder if dual connection machines are in fact just doing what the hose does inside the machine. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active Remember, if you don't like where I post or what I say, you don't have to read my posts! :-) "Capitol" wrote in message ... About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. |
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Brian-Gaff wrote:
Well, one other thing to consider is a mixer device. A friend of mine says a mixer device is available for cold fill machines that stops the high pressure cold going back up the hot feed and you set the mixing to a nice normally warm temp and it seems to work well. The issue of the hot running cold is not an issue as of course being a cold fill only it then just reverts to heating the cold water. I've not tried it myself, but I do wonder if dual connection machines are in fact just doing what the hose does inside the machine. Brian Yes, I did consider doing that, as both hot and cold feeds are equal pressure a simple combiner will work. The advantage of your system is that rinsing will be done in warm water which is more efficient. I do not know of any modern washing machine which works properly. The wash is crap due to lack of water and the rinse totally inadequate for the same reason. |
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On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:44:38 UTC, Capitol wrote:
Brian-Gaff wrote: Well, one other thing to consider is a mixer device. A friend of mine says a mixer device is available for cold fill machines that stops the high pressure cold going back up the hot feed and you set the mixing to a nice normally warm temp and it seems to work well. The issue of the hot running cold is not an issue as of course being a cold fill only it then just reverts to heating the cold water. I've not tried it myself, but I do wonder if dual connection machines are in fact just doing what the hose does inside the machine. Brian Yes, I did consider doing that, as both hot and cold feeds are equal pressure a simple combiner will work. The advantage of your system is that rinsing will be done in warm water which is more efficient. I do not know of any modern washing machine which works properly. The wash is crap due to lack of water and the rinse totally inadequate for the same reason. Rinsing in hot water is not more efficient. You get slightly dryer clothes as the spin works better, that's all. |
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On 03/11/15 17:46, Capitol wrote:
I do not know of any modern washing machine which works properly. The wash is crap due to lack of water and the rinse totally inadequate for the same reason. Absolute ********, just like everything else you've said in this thread. My Miele washes and rinses perfectly every time, with plenty of water if I choose. |
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On 03/11/15 17:46, Capitol wrote: I do not know of any modern washing machine which works properly. The wash is crap due to lack of water and the rinse totally inadequate for the same reason. Absolute ********, just like everything else you've said in this thread. My Miele washes and rinses perfectly every time, with plenty of water if I choose. Not what Which found. |
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On 10/11/15 11:55, Huge wrote:
On 2015-11-10, Capitol wrote: pcb1962 wrote: On 03/11/15 17:46, Capitol wrote: I do not know of any modern washing machine which works properly. The wash is crap due to lack of water and the rinse totally inadequate for the same reason. Absolute ********, just like everything else you've said in this thread. My Miele washes and rinses perfectly every time, with plenty of water if I choose. Not what Which found. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. "Which" is arsewipe. +1000 -- the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is. |
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On 10/11/2015 11:55, Huge wrote:
On 2015-11-10, Capitol wrote: pcb1962 wrote: On 03/11/15 17:46, Capitol wrote: I do not know of any modern washing machine which works properly. The wash is crap due to lack of water and the rinse totally inadequate for the same reason. Absolute ********, just like everything else you've said in this thread. My Miele washes and rinses perfectly every time, with plenty of water if I choose. Not what Which found. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. "Which" is arsewipe. Their reviews are too cursory for me. Still, I'd use them for a ballpark recommendation every time, and I happen to have access to a subscription. Of course times change, but their provenance is sound: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ntenary-ageism -- Cheers, Rob |
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On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote:
About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. To be fair, hot fill is pretty rare - I did not know they still existed! I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. The general consensus is: they admit so little hot water that buy the time the pipe's run through hot or the combi's started up it's half full of cold anyway. Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. |
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Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. To be fair, hot fill is pretty rare - I did not know they still existed! I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. The general consensus is: they admit so little hot water that buy the time the pipe's run through hot or the combi's started up it's half full of cold anyway. Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? |
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On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:48:34 UTC, Capitol wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. To be fair, hot fill is pretty rare - I did not know they still existed! I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. The general consensus is: they admit so little hot water that buy the time the pipe's run through hot or the combi's started up it's half full of cold anyway. Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? There is no problem. |
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On 03/11/15 17:50, Capitol wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? I don't consider it much of a problem in this particular domain. Even on a hot wash, the machine will not take on hot on every fill (some rinses are cold). You of course may view it differently, but is the trade off worth it? How many pennies will it save per wash and will you overly compromise on other factors? |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:50:30 +0000, Capitol wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. To be fair, hot fill is pretty rare - I did not know they still existed! I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. The general consensus is: they admit so little hot water that buy the time the pipe's run through hot or the combi's started up it's half full of cold anyway. Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? There is no problem. Cold fill works better. Buy the one you want, though. |
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On 03/11/2015 18:33, Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:50:30 +0000, Capitol wrote: Tim Watts wrote: On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote: Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? There is no problem. Cold fill works better. Buy the one you want, though. That's my understanding. The heating time is part of the pre-soak that the powder needs to get the most out of it. -- F |
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"Capitol" wrote in message ... Tim Watts wrote: On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. To be fair, hot fill is pretty rare - I did not know they still existed! I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. The general consensus is: they admit so little hot water that buy the time the pipe's run through hot or the combi's started up it's half full of cold anyway. Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? What he's saying (and correctly so I might add) is that you can only buy a cold fill washing machine. You can *pay* for a hot and cold fill washing machine, but you are still only *getting* a cold fill washing machine as the water takes that long to get from the boiler to the machine that no hot water will reach it, tepid perhaps, but not hot |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:35:55 -0000, "Phil L"
wrote: "Capitol" wrote in message ... Tim Watts wrote: On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. To be fair, hot fill is pretty rare - I did not know they still existed! I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. The general consensus is: they admit so little hot water that buy the time the pipe's run through hot or the combi's started up it's half full of cold anyway. Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? What he's saying (and correctly so I might add) is that you can only buy a cold fill washing machine. You can *pay* for a hot and cold fill washing machine, but you are still only *getting* a cold fill washing machine as the water takes that long to get from the boiler to the machine that no hot water will reach it, tepid perhaps, but not hot The machine could just dump the first 3 or 4 litres to the drain, after all, that's what you or I would do if hand washing. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Graham. wrote:
"Phil L" wrote: What he's saying (and correctly so I might add) is that you can only buy a cold fill washing machine. You can *pay* for a hot and cold fill washing machine, but you are still only *getting* a cold fill washing machine as the water takes that long to get from the boiler to the machine that no hot water will reach it, tepid perhaps, but not hot The machine could just dump the first 3 or 4 litres to the drain, after all, that's what you or I would do if hand washing. I draw the cold leg from the mixer tap, so that when the W/M starts asking for hot water, it does get some ... |
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"Graham." wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:35:55 -0000, "Phil L" wrote: "Capitol" wrote in message ... Tim Watts wrote: On 03/11/15 17:26, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. To be fair, hot fill is pretty rare - I did not know they still existed! I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. The general consensus is: they admit so little hot water that buy the time the pipe's run through hot or the combi's started up it's half full of cold anyway. Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? What he's saying (and correctly so I might add) is that you can only buy a cold fill washing machine. You can *pay* for a hot and cold fill washing machine, but you are still only *getting* a cold fill washing machine as the water takes that long to get from the boiler to the machine that no hot water will reach it, tepid perhaps, but not hot The machine could just dump the first 3 or 4 litres to the drain, If it did that it would look very bad in the eco ratings, so they don't. after all, that's what you or I would do if hand washing. |
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On 11/3/2015 2:59 PM, Graham. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:35:55 -0000, "Phil L" What he's saying (and correctly so I might add) is that you can only buy a cold fill washing machine. You can *pay* for a hot and cold fill washing machine, but you are still only *getting* a cold fill washing machine as the water takes that long to get from the boiler to the machine that no hot water will reach it, tepid perhaps, but not hot The machine could just dump the first 3 or 4 litres to the drain, after all, that's what you or I would do if hand washing. My washer is installed right next to the boiler. Hot water _does_ reach that washer rather quickly. |
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On 03/11/2015 17:50, Capitol wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: Personally, I'd give up and just accept cold fill and base your choice on other factors. But I can buy the product I want. Do you give up that easily when faced with a problem? You can buy the product you *think* you want. However have you checked that its not also a low water usage machine? Hot and cold fill is pretty pointless on machines with very low water consumption. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote:
About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. |
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On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! |
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On 03/11/2015 20:35, Capitol wrote:
harry wrote: On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. For once Harry is actually right. The market switched over about a decade ago so you possibly bought one of the last dual fill machines. Even when you have cheap hot water freely available it still isn't worth it for the amount that the washing machine will require. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? You They still think top loaders are kewl too. are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some Which is now the majority of the market. If you want to use lye and animal fat to get the woad out of your shirt then expect to pay dearly. research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! It *is* available if you are prepared to pay through the nose for it and have a circulating hot water system that gives instant hot water. (US homes sometimes have this feature which in the UK is only really found in hotels and very upmarket large homes). -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Which is now the majority of the market. If you want to use lye and animal fat to get the woad out of your shirt then expect to pay dearly. So, thats why non bio powders are so popular with families who react to the bio ones. Is your other name Harry? |
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"Capitol" wrote in message o.uk... harry wrote: On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, Not if hardly anyone wants one of those. not all us want to use washboards! |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:35:07 +0000, Capitol wrote:
So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. The word is 'fill'. Not 'wash'. |
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On 11/3/2015 3:35 PM, Capitol wrote:
So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? Very few US washers heat their own water - most use hot water from a separate hot water heating cylinder/tank. |
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Capitol wrote:
harry wrote: On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? Because they're stuck in the dark ages with regards to washing machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! The only time we've used a US washing machine it's performance was very unimpressive. Tim |
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wrote: harry wrote: On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? Because they're stuck in the dark ages with regards to washing machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! The only time we've used a US washing machine it's performance was very unimpressive. Tim Date? |
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writes Tim+ wrote: wrote: You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! The only time we've used a US washing machine it's performance was very unimpressive. Date? Was staying with relatives in Canada in 2011. I was unimpressed with the washing performance of their washing machine, compared to ours. Which was a top loading US style machine, presumably the same sort of thing. Don't know the age of the machine though. Back to the UK, why would a cold fill only machine only work well with bio powders? I use both bio and non bio powders in ours and they both work well.- They take cold water and heat it up, as opposed to using some hot water as well and then heating that up.. True they heat the water at a speed that enables the enzymes to work first (if it is a hot wash program). But hot and cold fill machines will do the same thing, it's just that they will use some hot water to raise the wash water temp. I would imagine that even H&C fill machines don't use hot water on the cooler wash programs. Probably only using hot water to fill on the 60+ programs. But they will still start off cool and then heat up, mostly using the hot fill water to raise the water temp higher later on in the wash I expect. -- Chris French |
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On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:41:45 UTC, Tim wrote:
Capitol wrote: harry wrote: On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? Because they're stuck in the dark ages with regards to washing machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! The only time we've used a US washing machine it's performance was very unimpressive. Tim True. I have experience with US made "Speed Queen" and "Maytag" washing machines. The one advantage was they were almost indestructible. Poor performance, used lots of water and electricity. (More than twice as much.) Positively primitive. |
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On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:33:10 UTC, Capitol wrote:
harry wrote: On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! I used to manage maintenance in a commercial laundry ****-fer-brains. So it's not opinion. Consumers in the USA are largely brain dead. They believe what thy're told to believe. Comes from watching Fox TV. Your beliefs concern biological powders are drivel. There are no/few hot water machines available for the reasons I gave. Only the brain dead don't know about this, it has been common knowledge for years and makes perfect sense. |
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harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:33:10 UTC, Capitol wrote: harry wrote: On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:24:54 UTC, Capitol wrote: About 3 months ago, her machine started to throw itself around the kitchen. I guessed at falling off weights as it's a pig to remove it and left it alone. Having listened to her noises getting louder, I decided to take the easy way out and buy a new hot and cold fill machine. Sounds easy but it has taken weeks to find a couple. Today for entertainment value I decided to try the local retailers as a source. The first, a small local man, told me they don't exist any more and he knows because the EU has banned them. I quickly enlightened him that he is incompetent in my best Victor Meldrew manner. The next call was Currys, who proudly announced that they only sell cold fill machines as they are more efficient and that mould growth in cold washing machines is a problem that customers can live with. The third call was the local Argos, who very nicely checked with their customer services that they did not for some reason sell hot and cold fill machines. Before I go on line and buy the Statesman machine, does anyone know if any of the major manufacturers offer such a machine? I even idly considered rebuilding the 10 year old machine, before common sense crept in! ie, new bearings,seals, springs and timer. (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! I used to manage maintenance in a commercial laundry ****-fer-brains. So it's not opinion. Consumers in the USA are largely brain dead. They believe what thy're told to believe. Comes from watching Fox TV. Your beliefs concern biological powders are drivel. There are no/few hot water machines available for the reasons I gave. Only the brain dead don't know about this, it has been common knowledge for years and makes perfect sense. It is opinion if you haven't done the testing or the research. The idiot who told me that the EU had banned the machines was also a maintenance man. Get yourself educated. |
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On 03/11/2015 20:35, Capitol wrote:
So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? US machines are not really comparable to UK ones for several reasons. Generally they are much larger, use far more water, are often top loaders. Also many will be designed to run from a 120V AC supply, which limits the electrical input power to around 1.8kW, which makes in machine heating less effective. You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Surprisingly for harry, in this case he is being mostly factual. With the exception of older recon or re-manufactured machines, or imports of products designed for other markets, the vast majority of machines you will find *are* cold fill only. (as you have found!) That does not mean that dual fill are impossible to find, just difficult. If they also comply with the requirements for low water usage, then they won't work as well as dual fill machines used to - in fact they will be worse than a modern cold fill one. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. They will work with non bio as well. You will get better cleaning with bio, but that is true regardless of the machine type. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! Define "should be available"? If there is no market for a product (either because technology or legislation has moved on), then the fact that there are a small band of hold outs that still hanker for how it used to be does not in itself create a viable market. A friend of mine had great difficulty finding a replacement twin tub machine that his mother insisted she wanted - took months, but eventually a company that recons them was able to supply. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 2015-11-03, Capitol wrote:
harry wrote: (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? American dual-fill washing machines don't have internal heating elements. The "hot" program fills the wash phase from the hot tap water (including the dead leg, I presume, unless there's a diverter in the input); the "cold" program fills it from the cold tap water; the "warm" program uses a mixture. Those machines do not have the high-temperature "sanitizing" (or "blasting your towels") programs that we get. (OTOH, we don't generally get a true cold program; I'd be happy to use that for some things because they last longer.) |
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On 2015-11-03, Capitol wrote: harry wrote: (A) Little of the hot water makes it to the machine anyway. (B) Starting from cold enables a cleaner wash. Hot water on laundry sets stains in. Cold water only is cheaper to make. So that why nobody makes mixed fill washing machines these days. They told you the truth. So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? American dual-fill washing machines don't have internal heating elements. The "hot" program fills the wash phase from the hot tap water (including the dead leg, I presume, unless there's a diverter in the input); the "cold" program fills it from the cold tap water; the "warm" program uses a mixture. Those machines do not have the high-temperature "sanitizing" (or "blasting your towels") programs that we get. (OTOH, we don't generally get a true cold program; I'd be happy to use that for some things because they last longer.) Some don't have internal heaters, some do. |
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On 11/4/2015 11:54 AM, Capitol wrote:
Adam Funk wrote: So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? American dual-fill washing machines don't have internal heating elements. The "hot" program fills the wash phase from the hot tap water (including the dead leg, I presume, unless there's a diverter in the input); the "cold" program fills it from the cold tap water; the "warm" program uses a mixture. Those machines do not have the high-temperature "sanitizing" (or "blasting your towels") programs that we get. (OTOH, we don't generally get a true cold program; I'd be happy to use that for some things because they last longer.) Some don't have internal heaters, some do. Our most recent US washer has an internal heater which only functions on the 'sanitize' program - otherwise it simply mixes hot and cold. |
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Capitol wrote: So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? They tend to be top loaders and use a vast amount of water compared to a front loader. What some are used to. The same people like to change the oil in their cars every 1000 miles. You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. ********. They heat the water to anything you want. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! With 99% of domestic hot water systems, the hot to the machine won't be hot anyway - unless you've run it hot from the tap before. -- *Organized Crime Is Alive And Well; It's Called Auto Insurance. * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Capitol wrote: So why does the US market use hot and cold fill machines? They tend to be top loaders and use a vast amount of water compared to a front loader. What some are used to. The same people like to change the oil in their cars every 1000 miles. You are regurgitating someone else's opinion as fact. Cold fill washing machines only work properly with bio powders. ********. They heat the water to anything you want. Go away and do some research. If I am prepared to pay for the product it should be readily available, not all us want to use washboards! With 99% of domestic hot water systems, the hot to the machine won't be hot anyway - unless you've run it hot from the tap before. On a recent trip to Oregon one motel we used had a front loading washing machine. I did notice it only had one pipe leading to the water supply. Our laundry room is at the furthest point in the house from the hot water cylinder so absolutely no point in having a dual fill machine. Mike |
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