Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/
--
bert

In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.


As long as Danny Baker does not turn up at my front door with a packet of
Daz and a film crew then I am OK

--
Adam

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:46:34 +0000, bert wrote:

Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.

Interesting. I noticed a lot of slime behind the door seal t'other day -
we near-always use 40deg, even though it's got a hot fill. The combi at
the old house took a while to run hot, the new place has about a mile of
pipe between the cylinder & utility room.

It's set for an overnight 90deg clean-out wash...

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

Non-bio are essential for certain fabrics such as Gortex
--
bert

In article ,
bert ] writes:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

Non-bio are essential for certain fabrics such as Gortex

Goretex don't mention this. They are very specific about what
mustn't be used, such as any fabric conditioner or chlorine
based bleach.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:50:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
bert ] writes:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

Non-bio are essential for certain fabrics such as Gortex

Goretex don't mention this. They are very specific about what
mustn't be used, such as any fabric conditioner or chlorine
based bleach.

What about oxygen-based bleach on Goretex?
I don't wash any Goretex in the machine as I have no Goretex garments and
the one pair of shoes would just wedge across the drum.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:46:34 +0000, bert wrote:

Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

I read that a few years ago. I'd used Ecover liquid at 30 and 40 and was
getting the yuk. Changed to Bio-D liquid and not only was the result better
but most of the yuk er, yukked off.
Now some washes are done using Ecover powder, non-bio, oxygen bleach and
prety well all of the black/brown stuff has gone - more than service washes
ever managed to do.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

In article ,
PeterC writes:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:50:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
bert ] writes:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

Non-bio are essential for certain fabrics such as Gortex

Goretex don't mention this. They are very specific about what
mustn't be used, such as any fabric conditioner or chlorine
based bleach.

What about oxygen-based bleach on Goretex?

Well, in the washing detergent section, it says no bleach, and in the
bleach section, it says no chlorine bleach. So it's not 100% clear,
but it gives a number to call.

I don't think the regular washing detergents have contained chlorine
based bleaching agents for many decades - they have used other bleaching
agents (but check the ingredients label on yours rather than taking thet
for granted). Chlorine can also make GRP go brittle, which many washing
machine outer drums have been made of for 30+ years, so the machines
themselves often say not to use chlorine in them.

I don't wash any Goretex in the machine as I have no Goretex garments and
the one pair of shoes would just wedge across the drum.

Goretex garments may well contain other fabrics/materials with more
restrictive washing instructions than the goretex itself requires,
so you need to check the labels.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 2013-11-25, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
bert ] writes:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

Non-bio are essential for certain fabrics such as Gortex

Goretex don't mention this. They are very specific about what
mustn't be used, such as any fabric conditioner or chlorine
based bleach.

I don't take any chances with Goretex (& similar "technical" things);
I use Nikwax Tech Wash after cleaning out the drawer.

On 2013-11-24, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

I read recently (in _Which?_, I think) that the UK is just about the
only market where bio & non-bio versions of the same products are
sold; but they must have non-bio detergents in other places for use on
wool & silk (if nothing else)?

http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/biol...s-cause-holes/

In message , Adam Funk
writes
On 2013-11-24, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

I read recently (in _Which?_, I think) that the UK is just about the
only market where bio & non-bio versions of the same products are
sold; but they must have non-bio detergents in other places for use on
wool & silk (if nothing else)?

http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/biol...ge-woollens-si
lks-cause-holes/

Yes, I suppose they have specific products wool etc. (much like you can
buy specific wool wash here) (I note it says bio and non-bio versions of
the same product)
--
Chris French

In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:
On 2013-11-24, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

I read recently (in _Which?_, I think) that the UK is just about the
only market where bio & non-bio versions of the same products are
sold; but they must have non-bio detergents in other places for use on
wool & silk (if nothing else)?

http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/biol...s-cause-holes/

and I have a problem with bio detergerents, in that my skin is allegic to
the residue left after the modern "low water" rinse. So, all my socks need
rinsing by hand after the machine rinse. The final rinse water water gets
qute a bit of something in it.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:01:31 +0000, charles wrote:

and I have a problem with bio detergerents, in that my skin is allegic
to the residue left after the modern "low water" rinse. So, all my
socks need rinsing by hand after the machine rinse. The final rinse
water water gets qute a bit of something in it.

Sounds like you're filling the machine too full, so it's not properly
moving about.

On 2013-11-25, Adrian wrote:

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:01:31 +0000, charles wrote:

and I have a problem with bio detergerents, in that my skin is allegic
to the residue left after the modern "low water" rinse. So, all my
socks need rinsing by hand after the machine rinse. The final rinse
water water gets qute a bit of something in it.

Sounds like you're filling the machine too full, so it's not properly
moving about.


There is an article (on that website we all keep citing) that says
that _Which?_ considers almost all modern washing machines to be bad
at rinsing.

http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/why-...inse-properly/

In article ,
Adam Funk writes:
On 2013-11-25, Adrian wrote:

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:01:31 +0000, charles wrote:

and I have a problem with bio detergerents, in that my skin is allegic
to the residue left after the modern "low water" rinse. So, all my
socks need rinsing by hand after the machine rinse. The final rinse
water water gets qute a bit of something in it.

Sounds like you're filling the machine too full, so it's not properly
moving about.


There is an article (on that website we all keep citing) that says
that _Which?_ considers almost all modern washing machines to be bad
at rinsing.

.... and at washing - not the cleanlyness, but wear.
They can't use enough water anymore to immerse the clothes.
They work by rubbing the damp clothes together. This wears
the fabric much faster than the machines of 10 years ago
which work by lifting the clothes out of the water and
dropping back in (or for very delicate fabrics, by agitating
the clothes without lifting them out of the water).

If you have an older machine, I would not be in any hurry to
get rid of it.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:00:06 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
PeterC writes:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:50:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
bert ] writes:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

Non-bio are essential for certain fabrics such as Gortex

Goretex don't mention this. They are very specific about what
mustn't be used, such as any fabric conditioner or chlorine
based bleach.

What about oxygen-based bleach on Goretex?

Well, in the washing detergent section, it says no bleach, and in the
bleach section, it says no chlorine bleach. So it's not 100% clear,
but it gives a number to call.

I don't think the regular washing detergents have contained chlorine
based bleaching agents for many decades - they have used other bleaching
agents (but check the ingredients label on yours rather than taking thet
for granted). Chlorine can also make GRP go brittle, which many washing
machine outer drums have been made of for 30+ years, so the machines
themselves often say not to use chlorine in them.

I don't wash any Goretex in the machine as I have no Goretex garments and
the one pair of shoes would just wedge across the drum.

Goretex garments may well contain other fabrics/materials with more
restrictive washing instructions than the goretex itself requires,
so you need to check the labels.

Yes, ARTFL! Thanks for the info. I tend to go at laundry the same as
gardening: chainsaw and bulldozer (except for a very few good items and all
the Paramo).
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
bert ] writes:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
bert ] writes:
Came across this link when looking at previous thread but didn't get
round to posting it.
Also follow embedded ink on smells slime and black mould.
http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/cold...hing-machines/

Just to add to that - machines are made for use in several countries
(no one makes washing machines in the UK anymore). Non-bio washing
detergent pretty much vanished from all the EU about 20 years ago,
except for the UK, and a few other areas where the brits are found
in significant numbers (e.g. Spanish holiday resorts). That's partly
why no one makes any machines with programs for non-bio detergents
with hot fill anymore.

Non-bio are essential for certain fabrics such as Gortex

Goretex don't mention this. They are very specific about what
mustn't be used, such as any fabric conditioner or chlorine
based bleach.

Does on the coat label - at least on my Berghaus gor-tex coat and also
on my Keela Munro coat (as used by Mountain rescue teams).
--
bert

On 2013-11-25, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Adam Funk writes:

There is an article (on that website we all keep citing) that says
that _Which?_ considers almost all modern washing machines to be bad
at rinsing.

... and at washing - not the cleanlyness, but wear.
They can't use enough water anymore to immerse the clothes.
They work by rubbing the damp clothes together. This wears
the fabric much faster than the machines of 10 years ago
which work by lifting the clothes out of the water and
dropping back in (or for very delicate fabrics, by agitating
the clothes without lifting them out of the water).

I wonder, however, how much that can be offset by washing most laundry
at lower temperatures.

"Adam Funk" wrote in message
...
On 2013-11-25, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Adam Funk writes:

There is an article (on that website we all keep citing) that says
that _Which?_ considers almost all modern washing machines to be bad
at rinsing.

... and at washing - not the cleanlyness, but wear.
They can't use enough water anymore to immerse the clothes.
They work by rubbing the damp clothes together. This wears
the fabric much faster than the machines of 10 years ago
which work by lifting the clothes out of the water and
dropping back in (or for very delicate fabrics, by agitating
the clothes without lifting them out of the water).
..

The above is true. The way to offset it is to put less laundry in the
machine (or more water if the water level is adjustable in your machine.)

Some people are affected by residues of detergents in clothing if not
properly rinsed.
Often they are not aware of the cause of their various skin troubles.

In article ,
harryagain wrote:

"Adam Funk" wrote in message
...
On 2013-11-25, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Adam Funk writes:

There is an article (on that website we all keep citing) that says
that _Which?_ considers almost all modern washing machines to be bad
at rinsing.

... and at washing - not the cleanlyness, but wear.
They can't use enough water anymore to immerse the clothes.
They work by rubbing the damp clothes together. This wears
the fabric much faster than the machines of 10 years ago
which work by lifting the clothes out of the water and
dropping back in (or for very delicate fabrics, by agitating
the clothes without lifting them out of the water).
.

The above is true. The way to offset it is to put less laundry in the
machine (or more water if the water level is adjustable in your machine.)

Some people are affected by residues of detergents in clothing if not
properly rinsed.
Often they are not aware of the cause of their various skin troubles.

I am, though

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18