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Should washing machine hoses be replaced every ten years?
I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses
failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM |
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I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. No big deal in my case, its in the laundry with concrete block walls and a concrete slab floor with a floor drain. It'd just go down the drain. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. I haven't had one fail in 40 years and that is with the one washing machine. Same with the dishwasher. Some do turn them off when going away for more than overnight. |
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On 06/10/2015 08:16, Rod Speed wrote:
MM wrote I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. No big deal in my case, its in the laundry with concrete block walls and a concrete slab floor with a floor drain. It'd just go down the drain. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. I haven't had one fail in 40 years and that is with the one washing machine. Same with the dishwasher. Some do turn them off when going away for more than overnight. +1. Probably more sensible to turn water off at main stop-cock. There are devices that you put in the main feed and will detect a significant leak and shut off after a certain volume. Here is an "electronic" one but ISTR there are simpler mechanical systems. http://www.treehugger.com/gadgets/wa...on-system.html I'm a big fan of utility rooms with floor drains, sadly not common here. |
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:02:16 +0100, MM wrote:
I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Some years ago I noticed that the pressure rating dropped rapidly with temperature. Not a problem on indirect HW, but a combi feed would rise close to mains pressure when shut off, so if the hose is full of hot water... About 15 years ago I installed a Miele - the hose was rated above any mains pressure at 90 deg. C. Hoses are cheap, but I'm always wary of a new one being worse than the original one. My last machine, an AEG, was OK for 13 years, so hoses were good then. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 06/10/15 09:24, PeterC wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:02:16 +0100, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Some years ago I noticed that the pressure rating dropped rapidly with temperature. Not a problem on indirect HW, but a combi feed would rise close to mains pressure when shut off, so if the hose is full of hot water... About 15 years ago I installed a Miele - the hose was rated above any mains pressure at 90 deg. C. Hoses are cheap, but I'm always wary of a new one being worse than the original one. My last machine, an AEG, was OK for 13 years, so hoses were good then. I asked a plumber I know if he's seen any old appliance hoses look bad (perished) after 10+ years. No was the answer. I suspect these days, the hose will outlive the machine mechanics. The main thing to check is if they've been damaged (kinked, cut etc). |
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On 06/10/2015 11:04, Tim Watts wrote:
On 06/10/15 09:24, PeterC wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:02:16 +0100, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Some years ago I noticed that the pressure rating dropped rapidly with temperature. Not a problem on indirect HW, but a combi feed would rise close to mains pressure when shut off, so if the hose is full of hot water... About 15 years ago I installed a Miele - the hose was rated above any mains pressure at 90 deg. C. Hoses are cheap, but I'm always wary of a new one being worse than the original one. My last machine, an AEG, was OK for 13 years, so hoses were good then. I asked a plumber I know if he's seen any old appliance hoses look bad (perished) after 10+ years. No was the answer. I suspect these days, the hose will outlive the machine mechanics. The main thing to check is if they've been damaged (kinked, cut etc). Agreed. These days they tend to have a PVC cladding, which eliminates Ozone and UV attack on the rubber (not that they usually see much light). And of course machines have been cold fill only for a long time now. I think the only failure I have seen was at the cheap and nasty coupling, where one of the "nuts" pinged out one thread a few weeks after (someone else) fitted it. |
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On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 11:58:23 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 06/10/2015 11:04, Tim Watts wrote: On 06/10/15 09:24, PeterC wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:02:16 +0100, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Some years ago I noticed that the pressure rating dropped rapidly with temperature. Not a problem on indirect HW, but a combi feed would rise close to mains pressure when shut off, so if the hose is full of hot water... About 15 years ago I installed a Miele - the hose was rated above any mains pressure at 90 deg. C. Hoses are cheap, but I'm always wary of a new one being worse than the original one. My last machine, an AEG, was OK for 13 years, so hoses were good then. I asked a plumber I know if he's seen any old appliance hoses look bad (perished) after 10+ years. No was the answer. I suspect these days, the hose will outlive the machine mechanics. The main thing to check is if they've been damaged (kinked, cut etc). Agreed. These days they tend to have a PVC cladding, which eliminates Ozone and UV attack on the rubber (not that they usually see much light). And of course machines have been cold fill only for a long time now. I think the only failure I have seen was at the cheap and nasty coupling, where one of the "nuts" pinged out one thread a few weeks after (someone else) fitted it. The main failure point is the rubber washers. NT |
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:58:17 +0100, newshound
wrote: On 06/10/2015 11:04, Tim Watts wrote: On 06/10/15 09:24, PeterC wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:02:16 +0100, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Some years ago I noticed that the pressure rating dropped rapidly with temperature. Not a problem on indirect HW, but a combi feed would rise close to mains pressure when shut off, so if the hose is full of hot water... About 15 years ago I installed a Miele - the hose was rated above any mains pressure at 90 deg. C. Hoses are cheap, but I'm always wary of a new one being worse than the original one. My last machine, an AEG, was OK for 13 years, so hoses were good then. I asked a plumber I know if he's seen any old appliance hoses look bad (perished) after 10+ years. No was the answer. I suspect these days, the hose will outlive the machine mechanics. The main thing to check is if they've been damaged (kinked, cut etc). Agreed. These days they tend to have a PVC cladding, which eliminates Ozone and UV attack on the rubber (not that they usually see much light). And of course machines have been cold fill only for a long time now. I think the only failure I have seen was at the cheap and nasty coupling, where one of the "nuts" pinged out one thread a few weeks after (someone else) fitted it. Well, my 10-year-old Hotpoint has both hot and cold hoses. It works fine, though, even if the hot water is only tepid. Just has to heat more itself, I assume. MM |
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newshound writes On 06/10/2015 11:04, Tim Watts wrote: On 06/10/15 09:24, PeterC wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:02:16 +0100, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Some years ago I noticed that the pressure rating dropped rapidly with temperature. Not a problem on indirect HW, but a combi feed would rise close to mains pressure when shut off, so if the hose is full of hot water... About 15 years ago I installed a Miele - the hose was rated above any mains pressure at 90 deg. C. Hoses are cheap, but I'm always wary of a new one being worse than the original one. My last machine, an AEG, was OK for 13 years, so hoses were good then. I asked a plumber I know if he's seen any old appliance hoses look bad (perished) after 10+ years. No was the answer. I suspect these days, the hose will outlive the machine mechanics. The main thing to check is if they've been damaged (kinked, cut etc). Agreed. These days they tend to have a PVC cladding, which eliminates Ozone and UV attack on the rubber (not that they usually see much light). And of course machines have been cold fill only for a long time now. I think the only failure I have seen was at the cheap and nasty coupling, where one of the "nuts" pinged out one thread a few weeks after (someone else) fitted it. I did have one hose start to leak. IIRC it was at the end of the hose - there was a metal bit crimped to the hose or something where it joined onto the screwy bit. Only a slow leak though -- Chris French |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 08:43:28 +0100, Chris French
wrote: In message , newshound writes On 06/10/2015 11:04, Tim Watts wrote: On 06/10/15 09:24, PeterC wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 08:02:16 +0100, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Some years ago I noticed that the pressure rating dropped rapidly with temperature. Not a problem on indirect HW, but a combi feed would rise close to mains pressure when shut off, so if the hose is full of hot water... About 15 years ago I installed a Miele - the hose was rated above any mains pressure at 90 deg. C. Hoses are cheap, but I'm always wary of a new one being worse than the original one. My last machine, an AEG, was OK for 13 years, so hoses were good then. I asked a plumber I know if he's seen any old appliance hoses look bad (perished) after 10+ years. No was the answer. I suspect these days, the hose will outlive the machine mechanics. The main thing to check is if they've been damaged (kinked, cut etc). Agreed. These days they tend to have a PVC cladding, which eliminates Ozone and UV attack on the rubber (not that they usually see much light). And of course machines have been cold fill only for a long time now. I think the only failure I have seen was at the cheap and nasty coupling, where one of the "nuts" pinged out one thread a few weeks after (someone else) fitted it. I did have one hose start to leak. IIRC it was at the end of the hose - there was a metal bit crimped to the hose or something where it joined onto the screwy bit. Exactly like mine, in fact! Only a slow leak though Yeah, but when you're away on holiday...? MM |
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I'd hope the hoses that came with the washing machine would outlast the
machine. of course the more likely scenario is that the couplers can work loose or the hose rub on something during spin and make it fail. I'm afraid there is no simple answer there should have been a simple way to detach the furniture, so to speak to get in and inspect stuff. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active Remember, if you don't like where I post or what I say, you don't have to read my posts! :-) "MM" wrote in message ... I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM |
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:05:13 +0100, "Brian-Gaff"
wrote: I'd hope the hoses that came with the washing machine would outlast the machine. of course the more likely scenario is that the couplers can work loose or the hose rub on something during spin and make it fail. I'm afraid there is no simple answer there should have been a simple way to detach the furniture, so to speak to get in and inspect stuff. Brian Only problem: The w/m is f... heavy! Don't forget I had the sternum cracked open 2 years ago... MM |
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On 06/10/2015 08:02, MM wrote:
I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM "Every" ten years? Just how long do you expect your machine to last? Judging by what I see, heard and read, more than 19 years would be a miracle. -- Rod |
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"polygonum" wrote in message ... On 06/10/2015 08:02, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM "Every" ten years? Just how long do you expect your machine to last? Judging by what I see, heard and read, more than 19 years would be a miracle. Nothing like a miracle, mine did 40 years fine. |
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On Sunday, 11 October 2015 09:50:24 UTC+1, polygonum wrote:
On 06/10/2015 08:02, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. "Every" ten years? Just how long do you expect your machine to last? Judging by what I see, heard and read, more than 19 years would be a miracle. I've had many miracles then. NT |
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On Sunday, 11 October 2015 17:55:36 UTC+1, polygonum wrote:
On 11/10/2015 12:08, nt wrote: On Sunday, 11 October 2015 09:50:24 UTC+1, polygonum wrote: On 06/10/2015 08:02, MM wrote: I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. "Every" ten years? Just how long do you expect your machine to last? Judging by what I see, heard and read, more than 19 years would be a miracle. I've had many miracles then. How many? Seems a bit odd to have machines which last so long and yet to have had two or more of them. Surely if they are so long-lived, you wouldn't get through many even in a lifetime. Almost all my household appliances are miracles according to your definition. Several are multi-miracles. People do seem to have unrealistic ideas about electronics these days. NT |
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polygonum wrote nt wrote polygonum wrote MM wrote I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. "Every" ten years? Just how long do you expect your machine to last? Judging by what I see, heard and read, more than 19 years would be a miracle. I've had many miracles then. How many? Seems a bit odd to have machines which last so long and yet to have had two or more of them. Surely if they are so long-lived, you wouldn't get through many even in a lifetime. Almost all my household appliances are miracles according to your definition. Several are multi-miracles. Yeah, all of my major appliances like dishwasher, wall oven, cooktop, washing machine, microwave etc have all managed 40+ years. Some like the original fridge has managed 60 and I stopped using it because its just too small and has bugger all frozen storage. No so true of the smaller appliances. Wouldn't like to count how many toasters I have been thru, dozens of them. Not quite as many of the small glass convection ovens, but I have only been using them for a much shorter time. They mostly don't last as long as the toasters and the current one does get used at about the same frequency, most days. Some other stuff like CRT monitors in the middle life wise. People do seem to have unrealistic ideas about electronics these days. |
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On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 07:58:34 UTC+1, MM wrote:
I was contemplating what the results would be if one or both hoses failed while I was away. They ~look~ okay, but I can only see a part of them. The rest is behind the w/m. MM Would a hose get blocked or the internal diameter reduced by limescale, as over the last few years the water pressure has dropped slightly and my washing machine beeps with an error code which means lack of water pressure. SO was thinking maybe after 5 years it could be the hose. |
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