On 24/03/15 08:35, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 22:46, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:42:27 +0000, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a recipe for
disaster.

They have policies?


They have many, although they all appear to boil down to kick out
foreigners and leave the EU; xenophobia and isolationism.

Usual lies.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 24/03/15 08:39, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 24/03/2015 00:04, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
On 23/03/2015 18:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/03/15 18:32, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 09:53, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
news On 21/03/2015 08:32, harryagain wrote:
About to be played again.
http://ukipdaily.com/the-harold-wils...cance-of-2017/





There is no trick in giving people what they want, rather than what
you
think they ought to want.

There's a lot out there tells people what they want to hear rather
than the
truth.

That does, indeed, seem to be the basis of UKIP's policies. No wonder
they are worried by getting what people want wrong.


??? I realluy think you are naive4. That is the basis of the EU policy.
As implemented by Cameron Clegg and formeely Blair and Brown.UKIP
doesn't tell people what they want to hear. Quite the reverse. They
tend
to tell the unpleasant truth....

If you are being told what you want to hear, naturally you will think it
is the truth. However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a
recipe
for disaster.

UKIPs important policy is Brexit.
Everything else will follow on.

That is what worries me. The National Institute of Economic and Social
Research has an excellent track record of economic predictions and they
foresee that leaving the EU will permanently reduce the UK economy by
2.25%.


Did they foresee the financial crash ? No, thought not.

Anyway, at the rate fuhrer Merkel is going, there woon't be a fourth
Reich ^H^H^H^H^H European Union left to leave soon.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

Opinion backed up by lots of data and expertise:

http://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/...t_june2014.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...foreign-exodus

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...u-7904469.html

http://www.grant-thornton.co.uk/en/T...siness-impact/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...conomy-culture


And what did this lot of "experts" say about why we should join the euro
- Oh let me see

http://www.theguardian.com/money/200...ances.politics

"Britain will be billions of pounds better off if it joins the European
single currency, saving enough money over the next 30 years to pay for
the whole of the National Health Service, the Prime Minister said
yesterday."


--
CB

On 24/03/2015 08:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:35, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 22:46, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:42:27 +0000, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a recipe for
disaster.

They have policies?


They have many, although they all appear to boil down to kick out
foreigners and leave the EU; xenophobia and isolationism.

Usual lies.


Those too.

--
Colin Bignell

On 24/03/2015 08:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 00:08, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
Opinion backed up by lots of data and expertise:

Funded by those who have a lot to lose if they are thrown off the
Brussels gravy train.


You are back to only being able to defend your position by putting
forward a conspiracy theory. How about an equally well researched and
detailed report on the benefits of leaving the EU, or examples of major
business leaders clamouring for us to leave?

--
Colin Bignell

On 24/03/2015 08:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:39, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 24/03/2015 00:04, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
....
UKIPs important policy is Brexit.
Everything else will follow on.

That is what worries me. The National Institute of Economic and Social
Research has an excellent track record of economic predictions and they
foresee that leaving the EU will permanently reduce the UK economy by
2.25%.


Did they foresee the financial crash ?...

They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003
that predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis, but nobody took
any notice of it until after the crash.


--
Colin Bignell

On 24/03/15 09:44, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 24/03/2015 08:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 00:08, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
Opinion backed up by lots of data and expertise:

Funded by those who have a lot to lose if they are thrown off the
Brussels gravy train.


You are back to only being able to defend your position by putting
forward a conspiracy theory. How about an equally well researched and
detailed report on the benefits of leaving the EU, or examples of major
business leaders clamouring for us to leave?

Of which there are many.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

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...
On 24/03/2015 00:04, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
On 23/03/2015 18:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/03/15 18:32, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 09:53, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
news On 21/03/2015 08:32, harryagain wrote:
About to be played again.
http://ukipdaily.com/the-harold-wils...cance-of-2017/




There is no trick in giving people what they want, rather than what
you
think they ought to want.

There's a lot out there tells people what they want to hear rather
than the
truth.

That does, indeed, seem to be the basis of UKIP's policies. No wonder
they are worried by getting what people want wrong.


??? I realluy think you are naive4. That is the basis of the EU policy.
As implemented by Cameron Clegg and formeely Blair and Brown.UKIP
doesn't tell people what they want to hear. Quite the reverse. They
tend
to tell the unpleasant truth....

If you are being told what you want to hear, naturally you will think it
is the truth. However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a
recipe
for disaster.

UKIPs important policy is Brexit.
Everything else will follow on.

That is what worries me. The National Institute of Economic and Social
Research has an excellent track record of economic predictions and they
foresee that leaving the EU will permanently reduce the UK economy by
2.25%.

That is hardly anything even remotely like a disaster.

Nightjar cpb@ wrote:
On 24/03/2015 08:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:39, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 24/03/2015 00:04, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
UKIPs important policy is Brexit.
Everything else will follow on.

That is what worries me. The National Institute of Economic and Social
Research has an excellent track record of economic predictions and they
foresee that leaving the EU will permanently reduce the UK economy by
2.25%.


Did they foresee the financial crash ?...

They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003
that predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis, but nobody took
any notice of it until after the crash.



I told Cable in 2003 that Browns fiscal policies were a disaster. I
suffer from the problem that I am not an expert, that's why I got it right.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
With the EU, its essentially the end of national politics. Brussels will
rule whatever you vote.,

Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our national
'rules' in a way you object to.

And explain how this acts against the UK's interests - but not other
countries in the EU?

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In article ,
harryagain wrote:
We will be reurned to third world status and poverty by the begging bowl
economies of Eastern Europe.
As has already happened in Greece, Portugal Spain and Italy.
And invaded by (jihadist) muslims from Turkey, Greece, Spain and Italy.
Disease ridden immigrants from Africa.

Africa is in the EU now? They slipped that one in quietly.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:35, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 22:46, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:42:27 +0000, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a recipe for
disaster.

They have policies?


They have many, although they all appear to boil down to kick out
foreigners and leave the EU; xenophobia and isolationism.

Usual lies.

Which part of the above don't you approve of?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003
that predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis, but nobody took
any notice of it until after the crash.



I told Cable in 2003 that Browns fiscal policies were a disaster. I
suffer from the problem that I am not an expert, that's why I got it
right.

Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 24/03/15 10:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Capitol wrote:
They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003
that predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis, but nobody took
any notice of it until after the crash.



I told Cable in 2003 that Browns fiscal policies were a disaster. I
suffer from the problem that I am not an expert, that's why I got it
right.

Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?

Actually to an extent he was.



"We know in retrospect what we missed. We set up the Financial Services
Authority (FSA) believing that the problem would come from the failure
of an individual institution," he said. "So we created a monitoring
system which was looking at individual institutions. That was the big
mistake. We didn't understand how risk was spread across the system, we
didn't understand the entanglements of different institutions with the
other and we didn't understand even though we talked about it just how
global things were, including a shadow banking system as well as a
banking system. That was our mistake, but I'm afraid it was a mistake
made by just about everybody who was in the regulatory business."
BBC Article: Gordon Brown admits 'big mistake' over banking crisis.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 24/03/15 10:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
With the EU, its essentially the end of national politics. Brussels will
rule whatever you vote.,

Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our national
'rules' in a way you object to.

Renewable obligation?
Minimum wage policy, fishing policy, agricultural policy

to name but four off the top of my head...

Then there is immigration policy .....huge issues with the european
court of human rights..gay marriage

I cant think of anything much, apart from foxhunting, which is a 'UK
native' policy initiative.


And explain how this acts against the UK's interests - but not other
countries in the EU?


It does act very much against other countries in the EU's interest.

Liek Greece...

the EU is run for german industry and french farming. And big
multinationals.

Full stop.

It is not run for the benefit of EU citizens unless they are penniless
east european migrants. Or public sector workers. It is in essence a neo
communist bloc of the old school,which has enlisted the aid of large
corporates to support it, by favouring their interests too, and Merkel
is a communist of the old school herself.




--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 24/03/15 10:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:35, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 22:46, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:42:27 +0000, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a recipe for
disaster.

They have policies?


They have many, although they all appear to boil down to kick out
foreigners and leave the EU; xenophobia and isolationism.

Usual lies.

Which part of the above don't you approve of?

All of it.

If that were UKIP policy I wouldn't be a member of the party,.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?

Actually to an extent he was.



"We know in retrospect what we missed. We set up the Financial Services
Authority (FSA) believing that the problem would come from the failure
of an individual institution," he said. "So we created a monitoring
system which was looking at individual institutions. That was the big
mistake. We didn't understand how risk was spread across the system, we
didn't understand the entanglements of different institutions with the
other and we didn't understand even though we talked about it just how
global things were, including a shadow banking system as well as a
banking system. That was our mistake, but I'm afraid it was a mistake
made by just about everybody who was in the regulatory business."
BBC Article: Gordon Brown admits 'big mistake' over banking crisis.

So he was responsible for not doing what no one else in the world did
either?

Thought you didn't like him. But you obviously thought he was Superman.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 24/03/15 10:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
With the EU, its essentially the end of national politics. Brussels
will rule whatever you vote.,

Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our national
'rules' in a way you object to.

Renewable obligation? Minimum wage policy, fishing policy, agricultural
policy

to name but four off the top of my head...

Then there is immigration policy .....huge issues with the european
court of human rights.

[Snip]

ECHR has NOTHING to do with the EU.

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our national
'rules' in a way you object to.

Renewable obligation?
Minimum wage policy, fishing policy, agricultural policy

to name but four off the top of my head...

Then there is immigration policy .....huge issues with the european
court of human rights..gay marriage

Thanks for just confirming you're the bigot I always took you for.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 24/03/15 11:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our national
'rules' in a way you object to.

Renewable obligation?
Minimum wage policy, fishing policy, agricultural policy

to name but four off the top of my head...

Then there is immigration policy .....huge issues with the european
court of human rights..gay marriage

Thanks for just confirming you're the bigot I always took you for.

Objecting to someone changing the rules is NOT the same as objecting to
the thing the rules were changed about.

Thank you for coinfirming to me that you are the bigot I always took you
for.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our national
'rules' in a way you object to.

Renewable obligation?
Minimum wage policy, fishing policy, agricultural policy

to name but four off the top of my head...

Then there is immigration policy .....huge issues with the european
court of human rights..gay marriage

Thanks for just confirming you're the bigot I always took you for.

Objecting to someone changing the rules is NOT the same as objecting to
the thing the rules were changed about.

Then I'd suggest you answer the question I asked you. But perhaps that's
too difficult?

Or are you actually saying that changing a rule is always a bad thing
unless done by our own parliament?

--
*To err is human. To forgive is against company policy.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Nightjar posted
On 24/03/2015 08:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 00:08, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
Opinion backed up by lots of data and expertise:

Funded by those who have a lot to lose if they are thrown off the
Brussels gravy train.


You are back to only being able to defend your position by putting
forward a conspiracy theory.

You consider it a "conspiracy theory" to believe that people who make
their living from an institution tend to argue in favour of the
continuing existence of that institution?

Christ. I hadn't realised there were so many billions of true conspiracy
theories.

--
Les

On 24/03/15 12:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our national
'rules' in a way you object to.

Renewable obligation?
Minimum wage policy, fishing policy, agricultural policy

to name but four off the top of my head...

Then there is immigration policy .....huge issues with the european
court of human rights..gay marriage

Thanks for just confirming you're the bigot I always took you for.

Objecting to someone changing the rules is NOT the same as objecting to
the thing the rules were changed about.

Then I'd suggest you answer the question I asked you. But perhaps that's
too difficult?

I did.
you asked "Please give some examples of where the EU have changed our
national 'rules' *in a way* you object to."

You didn't ask "what rules did they force on you that you object to"


Or are you actually saying that changing a rule is always a bad thing
unless done by our own parliament?

That is essentially the point of democracy, yes.

Of course to an instinctive comunist and Marxist like yourself, I can
accept that the 'do as we say, not as we do' diktat method is infinitely
more appealing.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Or are you actually saying that changing a rule is always a bad thing
unless done by our own parliament?


Yes.

On 24/03/2015 00:09, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
....
Opinion backed up by lots of data and expertise:

http://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/...t_june2014.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...foreign-exodus

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...u-7904469.html

http://www.grant-thornton.co.uk/en/T...siness-impact/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...conomy-culture

All the lefty drivel lossmaking newspapers.
Written and read by brain dead socialists....

If it is all socialist propaganda, you shouldn't have any problem
providing a link to something that lays out the benefits of leaving the
EU in the same detail as the report in my first link, rather than the
vague and generalised promises that UKIP usually comes up with.


--
Colin Bignell

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlevZKdndmotf_1oIzInZ2dnUVZ8iKdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
wrote:
They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003
that predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis, but nobody took
any notice of it until after the crash.



I told Cable in 2003 that Browns fiscal policies were a disaster. I
suffer from the problem that I am not an expert, that's why I got it
right.

Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?


Yes.

On 24/03/2015 11:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 10:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:35, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 22:46, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:42:27 +0000, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a recipe for
disaster.

They have policies?


They have many, although they all appear to boil down to kick out
foreigners and leave the EU; xenophobia and isolationism.

Usual lies.

Which part of the above don't you approve of?

All of it.

If that were UKIP policy I wouldn't be a member of the party,.


I don't see anything in their manifesto that doesn't effectively boil
down to that. Perhaps you can enlighten us.

--
Colin Bignell

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
The Natural wrote:
Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?

Actually to an extent he was.



"We know in retrospect what we missed. We set up the Financial Services
Authority (FSA) believing that the problem would come from the failure
of an individual institution," he said. "So we created a monitoring
system which was looking at individual institutions. That was the big
mistake. We didn't understand how risk was spread across the system, we
didn't understand the entanglements of different institutions with the
other and we didn't understand even though we talked about it just how
global things were, including a shadow banking system as well as a
banking system. That was our mistake, but I'm afraid it was a mistake
made by just about everybody who was in the regulatory business."
BBC Article: Gordon Brown admits 'big mistake' over banking crisis.

So he was responsible for not doing what no one else in the world did
either?

Thought you didn't like him. But you obviously thought he was Superman.


Get it right. Brown cocked it up. The navigator is responsible if the
ship goes aground. The captain had jumped ship by the time it was
realised the ship was sinking.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlevZKdndmotf_1oIzInZ2dnUVZ8iKdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
wrote:
They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003
that predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis, but nobody took
any notice of it until after the crash.



I told Cable in 2003 that Browns fiscal policies were a disaster. I
suffer from the problem that I am not an expert, that's why I got it
right.

Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?


Yes.

Takes some doing to be wrong in two consecutive posts.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Or are you actually saying that changing a rule is always a bad thing
unless done by our own parliament?

That is essentially the point of democracy, yes.

The EU is also a democracy. Just because you have a little englander
mentality doesn't alter that.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 24/03/15 14:32, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 24/03/2015 11:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 10:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:35, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 23/03/2015 22:46, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:42:27 +0000, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

However, the real truth is that UKIP's policies are a recipe for
disaster.

They have policies?


They have many, although they all appear to boil down to kick out
foreigners and leave the EU; xenophobia and isolationism.

Usual lies.

Which part of the above don't you approve of?

All of it.

If that were UKIP policy I wouldn't be a member of the party,.


I don't see anything in their manifesto that doesn't effectively boil
down to that. Perhaps you can enlighten us.

the only reason that it seems top boild down to 'leaving te EU' is
simply because none ogf the th9ings teh country needs to do *can be done
as long as we remain in it*

We cant reform agriculture and fisheries policy.
We cant set our own immigration targets
We cant adapt industrial H & S and employment policy to undo the
stranglehold of micromanaging regulation.
We cant operate a decent trade arrangement with the anglosphere - which
is where the emerging markets are.
We cant set our own energy policy.
We cant even change any regional boundaries, since those are determined
by EU regional policy.

All of these are set by largely French and German bureaucrats for their
own benefit.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 24/03/15 15:13, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Takes some doing to be wrong in two consecutive posts.

No, you clearly demonstrate its possible to be wring in nearly every post.

This reinforcing the general maxim that Labour is for Losers


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 24/03/15 15:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Or are you actually saying that changing a rule is always a bad thing
unless done by our own parliament?

That is essentially the point of democracy, yes.

The EU is also a democracy.

Seer you got that wrong. It isn't.

Just because you have a little englander
mentality doesn't alter that.

Just because the soviet bloc held elections, didnt make it a democracy.


Little red bookworm

--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

"harryagain" wrote in message
...

"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
On 24/03/2015 00:09, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
...
Opinion backed up by lots of data and expertise:

http://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/...t_june2014.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...foreign-exodus

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...u-7904469.html

http://www.grant-thornton.co.uk/en/T...siness-impact/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...conomy-culture

All the lefty drivel lossmaking newspapers.
Written and read by brain dead socialists....

If it is all socialist propaganda, you shouldn't have any problem
providing a link to something that lays out the benefits of leaving the
EU in the same detail as the report in my first link, rather than the
vague and generalised promises that UKIP usually comes up with.

Hah.
Name a socialist economy that's thriving!

Norway, Sweden, Germany etc etc etc.

And don't say Sweden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy...ivatisati ons

That’s not what socialism means.

And Norway has done nothing like that.

"harryagain" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Capitol wrote:
They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003
that predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis, but nobody
took
any notice of it until after the crash.



I told Cable in 2003 that Browns fiscal policies were a disaster. I
suffer from the problem that I am not an expert, that's why I got it
right.

Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?


He failed to properly regulate the banks.
(No more Tory boom and bust)
You forgotten already?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancel...ank_of_England

And he got us into massive public and private debt.

He had nothing to do with private debt.

In article ,
harryagain wrote:
Why do they repeat referendii until they get the answer they want?
Why can't they account for the money they spend?
Wh are commissioners unelected?

I'm trying to think of any EU referendum we've been involved in. Pray tell
of this common occurrence.

The UK government accounts for all the money it spends?

Why is the UK prime minister - the most powerful person in the country -
not directly elected?

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In article ,
harryagain wrote:
I told Cable in 2003 that Browns fiscal policies were a disaster. I
suffer from the problem that I am not an expert, that's why I got it
right.

Are you saying Brown was responsible for the sub-prime crisis?


He failed to properly regulate the banks.
(No more Tory boom and bust)
You forgotten already?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancel...ank_of_England

He had it in his power to regulate all the world banks and building
societies, etc?

And he got us into massive public and private debt.

Which this lot seem not to be able to sort - despite promises.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 15:13, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Takes some doing to be wrong in two consecutive posts.

No, you clearly demonstrate its possible to be wring in nearly every
post.

This reinforcing the general maxim that Labour is for Losers

But are generally literate.

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"Nightjar.me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
news
On 24/03/2015 08:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 00:08, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
Opinion backed up by lots of data and expertise:

Funded by those who have a lot to lose if they are thrown off the
Brussels gravy train.


You are back to only being able to defend your position by putting forward
a conspiracy theory.

That's what he chose to do, not necessarily the only thing he can do.

How about an equally well researched and detailed report on the benefits
of leaving the EU,

Dont need one on the basic stuff like being able to
determine the laws entirely for yourself, and decide
who and how many are allowed to work in the country.

or examples of major business leaders clamouring for us to leave?

They are irrelevant to what the country chooses to do.

The sun doesnt actually shine out of their
arses and they have a vested interest anyway.

"Nightjar.me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
On 24/03/2015 08:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/15 08:39, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 24/03/2015 00:04, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message
...
UKIPs important policy is Brexit.
Everything else will follow on.

That is what worries me. The National Institute of Economic and Social
Research has an excellent track record of economic predictions and they
foresee that leaving the EU will permanently reduce the UK economy by
2.25%.


Did they foresee the financial crash ?...

They produced a model based upon banking during the period 1980-2003 that
predicted the possibility of the sub-prime crisis,

But never said it was going to happen.

but nobody took any notice of it until after the crash.

Because it never said that that was going to happen.