Hello,

Can someone advise on what adhesive I need for sticking a steel fire trim
to fireproof render? This will be the only means of securing the trim in
place; I'm not looking for something that's only a sealant.

Someone recommended Everflex Heat Mate sealant, but I don't think this is
the right thing, given that it's marketed as a sealant and more importantly
the manufacturer says it's not recommended for stone.
(http://www.everbuild.co.uk/heat-mate).

I'd like something I can put a couple of beads of onto the three sides of
the fire trim before fitting; hold the trim in place with some wood or
whatever; and then remove the wood and the trim stays where it is! I know
of several products I could then use for sealing, but it's the sticking I
haven't worked out yet!

Many thanks in advance.

Harry

Harold Davis wrote in
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Hello,

Can someone advise on what adhesive I need for sticking a steel fire
trim to fireproof render? This will be the only means of securing the
trim in place; I'm not looking for something that's only a sealant.

Someone recommended Everflex Heat Mate sealant, but I don't think this
is the right thing, given that it's marketed as a sealant and more
importantly the manufacturer says it's not recommended for stone.
(http://www.everbuild.co.uk/heat-mate).

I'd like something I can put a couple of beads of onto the three sides
of the fire trim before fitting; hold the trim in place with some wood
or whatever; and then remove the wood and the trim stays where it is!
I know of several products I could then use for sealing, but it's the
sticking I haven't worked out yet!

Just in case this isn't enough information: the trim will be around the
fireplace opening for an unenclosed solid-fuel fire.

Harry

Harold Davis wrote:

Can someone advise on what adhesive I need for sticking a steel fire trim
to fireproof render?

No experience of it, but this sounds up to the job

http://www.fortafix.com/fiborclad.html

"Our products are supplied to many industrial users as well as
well-known household names such as Aga Cookers and Baxi Heating"

There are a couple of reasons why all this may not last long. First is the
different expansion rates of the two materials you are trying to attach to
each other, the other is that one assumes the fireproof render is at the end
of the day m basically cement, which is not strong for anything but
compression, it might just separate from itself and come away on the trim
after a while. I'm pretty sure when I last looked, which was admittedly a
long time ago now, that most of this sort of thing was actually attached
when the render was being applied or it was screwed through the render to
the wall underneath.
That is not to say of course that a wonder material has not appeared more
recently!
Brian

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Harold Davis wrote:

Can someone advise on what adhesive I need for sticking a steel fire trim
to fireproof render?

No experience of it, but this sounds up to the job

http://www.fortafix.com/fiborclad.html

"Our products are supplied to many industrial users as well as well-known
household names such as Aga Cookers and Baxi Heating"

On Tuesday, 20 January 2015 00:16:46 UTC, Harold Davis wrote:
Can someone advise on what adhesive I need for sticking a steel fire trim
to fireproof render?

Could you screw magnets into the render, then the trim would hold itself on by magicnetism?

Owain

"Harold Davis" wrote in message
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Hello,

Can someone advise on what adhesive I need for sticking a steel fire trim
to fireproof render? This will be the only means of securing the trim in
place; I'm not looking for something that's only a sealant.

Someone recommended Everflex Heat Mate sealant, but I don't think this is
the right thing, given that it's marketed as a sealant and more
importantly
the manufacturer says it's not recommended for stone.
(http://www.everbuild.co.uk/heat-mate).

I'd like something I can put a couple of beads of onto the three sides of
the fire trim before fitting; hold the trim in place with some wood or
whatever; and then remove the wood and the trim stays where it is! I know
of several products I could then use for sealing, but it's the sticking I
haven't worked out yet!

Nothing will stick to render apart from plaster.
Adhesives will at first adhere to the surface, but the surface of render is
sandy and this will easily detatch from the main body of render, especially
with metal's expansion and contraction, but even timber won't stick to it.

Is it decorative trim or is it out of sight? - if the latter, you can drill
and plug it on, if the former, you may need to plaster the render and then
the trim /may/ stick to the plaster

"Phil L" wrote in
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"Harold Davis" wrote in
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Hello,

Can someone advise on what adhesive I need for sticking a steel fire
trim to fireproof render? This will be the only means of securing
the trim in place; I'm not looking for something that's only a
sealant.

Someone recommended Everflex Heat Mate sealant, but I don't think
this is the right thing, given that it's marketed as a sealant and
more importantly
the manufacturer says it's not recommended for stone.
(http://www.everbuild.co.uk/heat-mate).

I'd like something I can put a couple of beads of onto the three
sides of the fire trim before fitting; hold the trim in place with
some wood or whatever; and then remove the wood and the trim stays
where it is! I know of several products I could then use for sealing,
but it's the sticking I haven't worked out yet!

Nothing will stick to render apart from plaster.
Adhesives will at first adhere to the surface, but the surface of
render is sandy and this will easily detatch from the main body of
render, especially with metal's expansion and contraction, but even
timber won't stick to it.

Is it decorative trim or is it out of sight? - if the latter, you can
drill and plug it on, if the former, you may need to plaster the
render and then the trim /may/ stick to the plaster

Thanks for this.

The trim is decorative. The front face of the chimney breast has been
covered with heatproof render (Vitcas) and then 'tiled' on top with 20mm
thick brick slips secured with adhesive (Nicobond Quickfix). I have left
some leeway at the edges of the fireplace opening, about 25mm each side,
and was planning to pack that area with render to leave a flat surface a
few mm away from where the trim will go.

I'm no expert, but I have to question what you say about nothing sticking
to render other than plaster. The manufacturers of Nicobond Quickfix say
it will stick to render:

http://nichollsandclarke.com/uploads...029ce459d9.pdf

and I've found many positive reviews saying it has been fine for doing
what I've done or similar.

They also say it will stick to steel when mixed with an enhancer (?).
Maybe I should use render to make a surface under where the trim will go
and then butter both trim and that surface with (enhanced) Quickfix? The
thought hadn't occurred to me before. The problem is that whereas it can
take the heat that will be experienced by the chimney breast, I am not
sure whether it could withstand the higher temperatures experienced by
the trim.

Harry

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"Phil L" wrote in
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Nothing will stick to render apart from plaster.
Adhesives will at first adhere to the surface, but the surface of
render is sandy and this will easily detatch from the main body of
render, especially with metal's expansion and contraction, but even
timber won't stick to it.

Is it decorative trim or is it out of sight? - if the latter, you can
drill and plug it on, if the former, you may need to plaster the
render and then the trim /may/ stick to the plaster

Thanks for this.

The trim is decorative. The front face of the chimney breast has been
covered with heatproof render (Vitcas) and then 'tiled' on top with 20mm
thick brick slips secured with adhesive (Nicobond Quickfix). I have left
some leeway at the edges of the fireplace opening, about 25mm each side,
and was planning to pack that area with render to leave a flat surface a
few mm away from where the trim will go.

I'm no expert, but I have to question what you say about nothing sticking
to render other than plaster. The manufacturers of Nicobond Quickfix say
it will stick to render:

http://nichollsandclarke.com/uploads...029ce459d9.pdf


That tile adhesive may stick to render, but as I've never used it, I don't
know.

and I've found many positive reviews saying it has been fine for doing
what I've done or similar.

They also say it will stick to steel when mixed with an enhancer (?).
Maybe I should use render to make a surface under where the trim will go
and then butter both trim and that surface with (enhanced) Quickfix? The
thought hadn't occurred to me before. The problem is that whereas it can
take the heat that will be experienced by the chimney breast, I am not
sure whether it could withstand the higher temperatures experienced by
the trim.

You can try it, at the very worst, it will come away when you light the
fire, which means you'll have to find something else.

Fire putty (exhaust sealant) may do the trick - it sticks to steel OK - I
bought a tube (that fits in a sealant gun) years ago for about £2 and I've
used it around a cement board backer behind my log burner, that is, where
the steel flue goes through the cement board - it's still Ok after 4 years,
and i used some of the same tube a few weeks ago to seal a small crack in my
car exhaust

Hello! I was wondering did you ever find a solution? I have the same question now in 2020 and have not had much success so far.
The trim has loosened and come off. Many thanks!

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On 20/10/2020 06:01, keke wrote:
Hello! I was wondering did you ever find a solution? I have the same
question now in 2020 and have not had much success so far. The trim has
loosened and come off. Many thanks!

ICBA to look at the forum, but perhaps a non-setting mastic (frame or
gutter sealant, etc) might work?

keke wrote:
Hello! I was wondering did you ever find a solution? I have the same
question now in 2020 and have not had much success so far.
The trim has loosened and come off. Many thanks!


I find epoxy works well for most applications and I would expect it to work
well here.

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On 12/11/2020 16:07, Chris Holmes wrote:
keke wrote:
Hello! I was wondering did you ever find a solution? I have the same
question now in 2020 and have not had much success so far.
The trim has loosened and come off. Many thanks!


I find epoxy works well for most applications and I would expect it to work
well here.

Car body filler is cheaper and probably better


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On 12/11/2020 17:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/11/2020 16:07, Chris Holmes wrote:
keke wrote:
Hello! I was wondering did you ever find a solution? I have the same
question now in 2020 and have not had much success so far.
The trim has loosened and come off. Many thanks!


I find epoxy works well for most applications and I would expect it to
work
well here.

Car body filler is cheaper and probably better



Car body filler would stick well to a (rough) render but would it stick
to a smooth piece of metal? However if car body filler was used and the
metal surround falls off there would be a smooth car body filler surface
where the metal came away from and sticking the smooth metal to this
smooth surface would be easier with some other form of thin film glue.

My experiment glueing a concrete slab with two part (car body) filler
The final photo shows one side of the slab clamped to the arm of a bench
whilst the other side is loaded with bricks.

http://www.admac.myzen.co.uk/Glue_slab/

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On 12/11/2020 22:30, alan_m wrote:
On 12/11/2020 17:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/11/2020 16:07, Chris Holmes wrote:
keke wrote:
Hello! I was wondering did you ever find a solution? I have the same
question now in 2020 and have not had much success so far.
The trim has loosened and come off. Many thanks!


I find epoxy works well for most applications and I would expect it
to work
well here.

Car body filler is cheaper and probably better



Car body filler would stick well to a (rough) render but would it stick
to a smooth piece of metal?

Well that is precisely what it was DESIGNED to do! Cars are generally
made of 'smooth bits of metal'

It is far more likely to rip the surface of the render off.

However if car body filler was used and the
metal surround falls off


It wont.


there would be a smooth car body filler surface
where the metal came away from and sticking the smooth metal to this
smooth surface would be easier with some other form of thin film glue.

My experiment glueing a concrete slab with two part (car body) filler
The final photo shows one side of the slab clamped to the arm of a bench
whilst the other side is loaded with bricks.

http://www.admac.myzen.co.uk/Glue_slab/



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