European Union to ban dozens of high-wattage household electrical
appliances in follow-up to controversial ban on powerful vacuum cleaners

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

http://tinyurl.com/kjc2g4y

On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".

Tim Watts wrote


On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".


I liked the hairdressers response. If they have to use hair dryers
longer because of the lack of power, they could suffer from RSI. That
could be a serious issue as most have limp wrists to start with...

On 29/08/2014 16:05, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".


The people behind this must be Greens, so probably not.

--
Colin Bignell

On 29/08/14 16:11, Jabba wrote:
Tim Watts wrote


On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".


I liked the hairdressers response. If they have to use hair dryers
longer because of the lack of power, they could suffer from RSI. That
could be a serious issue as most have limp wrists to start with...



I don't think this one is actually the EU.

I think it's actually the UK gov trying to reduce peak demand because
they ****ed up the national grid and it might get dark randomly over the
coming winters.

Handy being able to blame the EU as it's as plausible as "Jimmy Saville
molested my hamster".

On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:05, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".


The people behind this must be Greens, so probably not.


Probably.

Sometimes it's possible to be innovative.

The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands.

Clearly "kettles" is dumb.

Hairdryers are unlikely to benefit as super high velocity tepid air is
not likely to help a stylist work well.

And smartphones? WTF?

That should be more or less self regulating as people desire more
battery life from a single charge so everyone's trying to do it with
lower power chips and screens. But there are limits. And this is trivial
background load nicely spread out over the night for the most part.

On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
....
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.


--
Colin Bignell

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 29/08/14 16:11, Jabba wrote:
Tim Watts wrote


On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".


I liked the hairdressers response. If they have to use hair dryers
longer because of the lack of power, they could suffer from RSI. That
could be a serious issue as most have limp wrists to start with...



I don't think this one is actually the EU.

I think it's actually the UK gov trying to reduce peak demand because
they ****ed up the national grid and it might get dark randomly over
the coming winters.

Handy being able to blame the EU as it's as plausible as "Jimmy Saville
molested my hamster".

I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I was
listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU decreed
that toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As a result,
many tended to need two flushes - using more water than before.

The same is certainly true of kettles. The least energy is used by the
more powerful kettles (which boil very quickly). In fact, if you reduce
the power below a certain level, the heat being lost by radiation and
convection of the surrounding air exceeds that being supplied, and it
will never ever boil (although this could be offset by adding sufficient
thermal insulation).

As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power
consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be
appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended
purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW
kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second
1.5kW.
--
Ian

On 29/08/14 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

It is true that unmaintained air dryers are a horrible *source* of bugs too.

On Friday, 29 August 2014 16:15:10 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:11, Jabba wrote:

Tim Watts wrote





On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-

high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html



Is it April 1st?



Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water

is about *energy" not "power".





I liked the hairdressers response. If they have to use hair dryers

longer because of the lack of power, they could suffer from RSI. That

could be a serious issue as most have limp wrists to start with...







I don't think this one is actually the EU.



I think it's actually the UK gov trying to reduce peak demand because

they ****ed up the national grid and it might get dark randomly over the

coming winters.



Handy being able to blame the EU as it's as plausible as "Jimmy Saville
molested my hamster".

and JS molesting hamsters isn't possible ;-)

On 29/08/14 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:

I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I was
listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU decreed
that toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As a result,
many tended to need two flushes - using more water than before.

True IME. I fitted a high level cistern at my house and it works with
one flush (and it is a standard low volume type).

On holiday, the low level bogs needed 2 flushes typically for anything
more than a No 1.

The same is certainly true of kettles. The least energy is used by the
more powerful kettles (which boil very quickly). In fact, if you reduce
the power below a certain level, the heat being lost by radiation and
convection of the surrounding air exceeds that being supplied, and it
will never ever boil (although this could be offset by adding sufficient
thermal insulation).

As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power
consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be
appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended
purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW
kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second
1.5kW.

Indeed - unless the power is reduced so far at takes all night to boil,
in which case the elect companies will love it

On 29/08/14 16:42, whisky-dave wrote:

and JS molesting hamsters isn't possible ;-)

Thankfully the only thing he can molest now are a few worms...

I liked the bit in the sitcom "Outnumbered" when someone said:

"Jimmy Savile didn't look like a paedophile did he?"

and Hugh Dennis's character replied:

"Um...YES!! He looked EXACTLY like a paedophile!"

In article ,
Tim Watts writes:
On 29/08/14 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

They don't *remove* bacteria, but they don't recontaminate your
damp freshly cleaned hands.

It is true that unmaintained air dryers are a horrible *source* of bugs too.

They are always unmaintained, and yes, they are the least hygenic
way to dry your hands, contrary to what most people imagine.

OTOH, for most purposes, your hands don't need to be *that* clean.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 29/08/2014 17:27, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts writes:
On 29/08/14 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

They don't *remove* bacteria, but they don't recontaminate your
damp freshly cleaned hands...

According to the microbiologist I use to consult when I had a clean
room, the mechanical action does remove some.


--
Colin Bignell

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:50:07 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 29/08/14 16:42, whisky-dave wrote:

and JS molesting hamsters isn't possible ;-)

Thankfully the only thing he can molest now are a few worms...

I liked the bit in the sitcom "Outnumbered" when someone said:

"Jimmy Savile didn't look like a paedophile did he?"

and Hugh Dennis's character replied:

"Um...YES!! He looked EXACTLY like a paedophile!"

Indeed he did, indeed he did (and if not, then he, at the every
least, looked _very_ creepy).

The saddest thing to come out of Jimmy's activities is the subsequent
fall out that befell the likes of Rolf Harris which just seems to be
more a case of "The Victims" jumping onto the latest bandwagon rather
than out of achieving any real sense of justice. It was a very
different time back then.

The "Paedophile Finder General" sketches in the "Monkey Dust" cartoon
series could hardly have expressed all of this societal hysteria any
better.
--
J B Good

On 29/08/2014 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.


But in high volume areas e.g. motorway services, you would have paper
mountains. New & used.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 29/08/2014 15:58, Jabba wrote:
European Union to ban dozens of high-wattage household electrical
appliances in follow-up to controversial ban on powerful vacuum cleaners

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

http://tinyurl.com/kjc2g4y



Couldn't they save energy by not moving from Strasbourg to Brussels
every month?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 29/08/2014 18:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.


But in high volume areas e.g. motorway services, you would have paper
mountains. New & used.


That is why air dryers are popular with the people who run them. Also
such applications are fairly non-critical. However, I have noticed that
more and more places are offering both.

--
Colin Bignell

Johny B Good wrote


On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:50:07 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 29/08/14 16:42, whisky-dave wrote:

and JS molesting hamsters isn't possible ;-)

Thankfully the only thing he can molest now are a few worms...

I liked the bit in the sitcom "Outnumbered" when someone said:

"Jimmy Savile didn't look like a paedophile did he?"

and Hugh Dennis's character replied:

"Um...YES!! He looked EXACTLY like a paedophile!"

Indeed he did, indeed he did (and if not, then he, at the every
least, looked _very_ creepy).

The saddest thing to come out of Jimmy's activities is the subsequent
fall out that befell the likes of Rolf Harris which just seems to be
more a case of "The Victims" jumping onto the latest bandwagon rather
than out of achieving any real sense of justice. It was a very
different time back then.

********. Too many like JS and that fat liberal **** got away with
being kiddie fiddlers because they were untouchable. Now the victims
have a chance of being believed. The posh boys still look after their
own, like giving the kiddie fiddler who worked in Downing St with Call
me Dave a day to wipe his home computer.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...k-rock-tip-off



The "Paedophile Finder General" sketches in the "Monkey Dust" cartoon
series could hardly have expressed all of this societal hysteria any
better.

In the news this week, over 1,400 children abused in Rotherham is
hysteria? YFI

On 29/08/14 18:35, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-29, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".

Might I be a little silly and point out (no doubt not for the first or
last time) the apposite nature of your surname?

On 29/08/14 18:38, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-29, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts writes:
On 29/08/14 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

They don't *remove* bacteria, but they don't recontaminate your
damp freshly cleaned hands.

It is true that unmaintained air dryers are a horrible *source* of bugs too.

They are always unmaintained, and yes, they are the least hygenic
way to dry your hands, contrary to what most people imagine.

And because the Die-Soon Airblades(!) don't dry your fingertips, there's
always a pool of festering goo in the bottom of them. Horrid things.



I saw a better version - might still have been a Dyson. It was a small
box that blasted a sheet of fast air out the base - more like a regular
hand dryer. But it literally blasted the water drops off your hands,
tips included.

I do not like the "dip" type - you cannot avoid touching the sides that
is basically mouldy. And they star a bit too early and blow a load of
drops in your face.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:39:00 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 29/08/14 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

It is true that unmaintained air dryers are a horrible *source* of bugs too.


In view of the latest thinking on the causes of the extremely high
incidence of allergies (33%) amongst the 1st world countries'
populations, this may not be such a bad thing.
--
J B Good

In message , Huge
writes
On 2014-08-29, Tim Watts wrote:

The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands.

Other than the wet fingertips and the ringing noise in your ears from the
noise.

My wife absolutely dreads having to use the toilets in certain motorway
service stations. She has severe tinnitus, and the noise made by some of
the hand dryers in the confined space really sets it off. It's second
only to the Concorde taking off.
--
Ian

On 29/08/2014 19:05, Johny B Good wrote:
In view of the latest thinking on the causes of the extremely high
incidence of allergies (33%) amongst the 1st world countries'
populations, this may not be such a bad thing.

Saved me writing that. :-)

--
Rod

On 29/08/2014 19:07, Ian Jackson wrote:
My wife absolutely dreads having to use the toilets in certain motorway
service stations. She has severe tinnitus, and the noise made by some of
the hand dryers in the confined space really sets it off. It's second
only to the Concorde taking off.

Almost completely agreed - but for me not wife - and Concorde type noise
really doesn't upset me anything like vacuum cleaners and hair and hand
dryers.

--
Rod

On 29/08/2014 19:05, Johny B Good wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:39:00 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 29/08/14 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

It is true that unmaintained air dryers are a horrible *source* of bugs too.


In view of the latest thinking on the causes of the extremely high
incidence of allergies (33%) amongst the 1st world countries'
populations, this may not be such a bad thing.


That rather depends upon what bugs they are. I had quite a lot of
discussion with a professor who wanted to do trials of using BCG (TB)
vaccination on neonates, in an attempt to reduce the incidence of
allergies. The important thing about TB vaccination is that it triggers
a reaction at the cellular level, which is permanent, rather than just
initiating the creation of anti-bodies, which may not be.

--
Colin Bignell

On 29/08/2014 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

...and take how much energy/raw materials, causing what pollution, to
produce?

On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:


As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power
consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be
appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended
purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW
kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second
1.5kW.

You must already have the new EU kettles, mines 3kW.
Takes about 30 seconds to boil a mug of tea.

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 29/08/14 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:

I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I was
listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU decreed
that toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As a result,
many tended to need two flushes - using more water than before.

True IME. I fitted a high level cistern at my house and it works with
one flush (and it is a standard low volume type).

On holiday, the low level bogs needed 2 flushes typically for anything
more than a No 1.


Installed a new close couple toilet last year (so with the usual 6L (?)
cistern). It flushes fine.
--
Chris French

On 29/08/2014 16:50, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:42, whisky-dave wrote:

and JS molesting hamsters isn't possible ;-)

Thankfully the only thing he can molest now are a few worms...

I liked the bit in the sitcom "Outnumbered" when someone said:

"Jimmy Savile didn't look like a paedophile did he?"

and Hugh Dennis's character replied:

"Um...YES!! He looked EXACTLY like a paedophile!"


Everyone looks so, you can't tell by looking at them.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:32:11 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Couldn't they save energy by not moving from Strasbourg to Brussels
every month?

I wouldn't mind betting they leave their lights and PCs on 24/7 in both
places!

--

TOJ.

On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:05, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".


The people behind this must be Greens, so probably not.


Probably.

Sometimes it's possible to be innovative.

The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands.

Only Dyson could build a high velocity, spread the germs more, hand
dryer just as the NHS started to remove hand driers to prevent infection
spreading.
If you have a choice don't use them and use a paper towel as its a lot
safer.

On 29/08/2014 16:39, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of high speed tepid
air work a lot better than an old style monster that wafts slow hot air
vaguely over your hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

It is true that unmaintained air dryers are a horrible *source* of bugs
too.



The word "unmaintained" is redundant.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:39:34 +0100, Jabba wrote:

Johny B Good wrote


On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:50:07 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 29/08/14 16:42, whisky-dave wrote:

and JS molesting hamsters isn't possible ;-)

Thankfully the only thing he can molest now are a few worms...

I liked the bit in the sitcom "Outnumbered" when someone said:

"Jimmy Savile didn't look like a paedophile did he?"

and Hugh Dennis's character replied:

"Um...YES!! He looked EXACTLY like a paedophile!"

Indeed he did, indeed he did (and if not, then he, at the every
least, looked _very_ creepy).

The saddest thing to come out of Jimmy's activities is the subsequent
fall out that befell the likes of Rolf Harris which just seems to be
more a case of "The Victims" jumping onto the latest bandwagon rather
than out of achieving any real sense of justice. It was a very
different time back then.

********. Too many like JS and that fat liberal **** got away with
being kiddie fiddlers because they were untouchable. Now the victims
have a chance of being believed. The posh boys still look after their
own, like giving the kiddie fiddler who worked in Downing St with Call
me Dave a day to wipe his home computer.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...k-rock-tip-off



The "Paedophile Finder General" sketches in the "Monkey Dust" cartoon
series could hardly have expressed all of this societal hysteria any
better.

In the news this week, over 1,400 children abused in Rotherham is
hysteria? YFI


I'm afraid I can't help you there. I don't have any opinion on _this_
particular report of child abuse (it seems we've been here before...
many times). You'll have to examine the case yourself to determine
just how much is hysteria and how much is humdrum 'fact' worthy of
being reported in the media.

What, unfortunately, is almost certain to happen is yet another
inappropriate reaction by the authorities in regard of "Bolting the
stable door after the horse has run away" in trying to impose new and
ill thought out legislation that results in even greater injustices.
--
J B Good

On 29/08/2014 22:51, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-29, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

..and take how much energy/raw materials, causing what pollution, to
produce?

Surely this is irrelevant if they are the best solution?

What if they're the most expensive?

On Friday, August 29, 2014 6:30:43 PM UTC+1, The Medway Handyman wrote:
But in high volume areas e.g. motorway services, you would have paper
mountains. New & used.

.... clogging up the basins and toilets causing flooding, and bins of them are flammable.

Owain

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:38:28 PM UTC+1, Ian Jackson wrote:
I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I was
listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU decreed
that toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As a result,
many tended to need two flushes - using more water than before.

And washing machines, which used to fill up to halfway up the porthole, now 'wash' and 'rinse' clothes in about a teaspoon of water, spinning them at high speed to get the detergent out, causing greater wear on the machine and clothes.

I and many others pour additional water in through the detergent drawer to get my clothes splashing through the Surf.

Owain

"Dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:


As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power
consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be
appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended
purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW
kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second
1.5kW.

You must already have the new EU kettles, mines 3kW.
Takes about 30 seconds to boil a mug of tea.

you do know you're not supposed to put the tea in the kettle

tim

Surely, smart phones do not deserve to be on this list.
The other inefficient items are electric irons and heating devices in my
view..
Brian

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European Union to ban dozens of high-wattage household electrical
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
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On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
The least energy is used by the more powerful kettles (which boil very
quickly).

Perhaps one of the biggest energy usage reductions is achieved by making
it as easy as possible to assess how much water is in the kettle. I
certainly remember lots of people filling their kettles up way over what
they needed - often because they were being over-cautious about making
sure the element was covered. The introduction of transparent windows
and elements in the base have made it possible to get the amount of
water right more of the time.

One gripe I have is that the scales vary - let us simply have a numeric
scale based on litres. Cups are so variable it really doesn't help very
much having a cup scale.

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