On 30/08/2014 00:18, wrote:
On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:38:28 PM UTC+1, Ian Jackson wrote:
I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I
was listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU
decreed that toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As
a result, many tended to need two flushes - using more water than
before.

And washing machines, which used to fill up to halfway up the
porthole, now 'wash' and 'rinse' clothes in about a teaspoon of
water, spinning them at high speed to get the detergent out, causing
greater wear on the machine and clothes.

I and many others pour additional water in through the detergent
drawer to get my clothes splashing through the Surf.

Owain


That probably makes them wash less effectively.
They are designed to have the tumbling action push the water through the
clothes.
Mine uses more water on the wool and delicates and sloshes them about in
the water and tumbles them in less water for the intensive washes.

As for rinses, I just program in an extra rinse .

They all have to use less water because the people in the SE haven't
invested enough in water supply and we all have to suffer for them.

polygonum wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
The least energy is used by the more powerful kettles (which boil very
quickly).

Perhaps one of the biggest energy usage reductions is achieved by making
it as easy as possible to assess how much water is in the kettle. I
certainly remember lots of people filling their kettles up way over what
they needed - often because they were being over-cautious about making
sure the element was covered. The introduction of transparent windows
and elements in the base have made it possible to get the amount of
water right more of the time.

One gripe I have is that the scales vary - let us simply have a numeric
scale based on litres. Cups are so variable it really doesn't help very
much having a cup scale.

Measuring volumes in cups is bonkers. When I tried to buy a cafétiere
online I rejected any that didn't give the capacity in litres. That was
about 90% of those on offer.

I've just about got used to the American "cup", about 240 ml, only to
discover that the Japanese "cup" is 180 ml.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

Brian Gaff wrote:

Surely, smart phones do not deserve to be on this list.

Ah, but each house has multiple phones, and the chargers are left
plugged in even when they're not in use, just think how many kittens
they can save.

They don't think the manufacturers have spent the last 7 years getting
maximum battery life for these?

Huge wrote:

And because the Die-Soon Airblades(!) don't dry your fingertips, there's
always a pool of festering goo in the bottom of them. Horrid things.

I'm more concerned about the state of the door handles,
especially if you have to follow someone who hasn't even tried to
wash.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 30/08/14 00:18, wrote:
On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:38:28 PM UTC+1, Ian Jackson wrote:
I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I
was listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU
decreed that toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As
a result, many tended to need two flushes - using more water than
before.

And washing machines, which used to fill up to halfway up the
porthole, now 'wash' and 'rinse' clothes in about a teaspoon of
water, spinning them at high speed to get the detergent out, causing
greater wear on the machine and clothes.

I and many others pour additional water in through the detergent
drawer to get my clothes splashing through the Surf.

We noticed something on holiday...

My washing machine is modern (7 year old Miele).
It has an extra-rinse setting which we leave on as the kids used to be
sensitive to residual detergent (we use non-bio and no conditioner as
both made things worse).

Well, we did some washing on holiday and used the same non bio (Persil)
but in tablet format rather than liquid.

Son started complaining of an itchy back which then got covered in hives
- recovering fairly quickly when he had a shower.

Fresh shirt - they came back next day.

Another shower and an item of clothing that was still fresh from home -
no problem.


So I am wondering if they've gone too far and machines aren't rinsing as
well as they could. Hard to be sure - could be all sorts of factors in a
public laundrette.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 8:06:17 PM UTC+1, Dennis@home wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:





As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power

consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be

appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended

purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW

kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second

1.5kW.



You must already have the new EU kettles, mines 3kW.

Takes about 30 seconds to boil a mug of tea.

Yes if only people would boil only the amount they need. filling a kettle for one cup of coffee is insane but v.common around here

On 29/08/2014 22:51, Huge wrote:

Surely this is irrelevant if they are the best solution?

Best? In what way?
Cheapest, cleanest, most green what?

The thread originally was about the EU banning high power devices so
they could be seen to be green. Basically I am questioning what is most
green :-

Hot air dryers
or paper towels (with associated tree use, disposal of used towels etc)

BTW I am of the opinion that a lot of things are too clean nowadays,
there is an upsurge in allergys etc perhaps this is because the
body has never been exposed to 'nasties' so has not developed a
measured immune response to them.

Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting everyone live in squalor just
that maybe the modern fad for killing all (well 99.9%) of germs is
going a bit far, and people tend to be paranoid about any microbes
(witness the 'rise' of anti-bacterial sprays for EVERYWHERE).

Tim Watts wrote:
So I am wondering if they've gone too far and machines aren't rinsing as
well as they could. Hard to be sure - could be all sorts of factors in a
public laundrette.

I seem to recall that testing shows that the modern low water rinse
cycle doesn't work at all well and high levels of detergent can be left
in clothes.

"The Other John" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:32:11 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Couldn't they save energy by not moving from Strasbourg to Brussels
every month?

I wouldn't mind betting they leave their lights and PCs on 24/7 in both
places!

Well, where do you think that the phrase, "The lights are on, but..."
originated?

On 30/08/14 10:10, fred wrote:
On Friday, August 29, 2014 8:06:17 PM UTC+1, Dennis@home wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:





As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power

consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be

appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended

purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW

kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second

1.5kW.



You must already have the new EU kettles, mines 3kW.

Takes about 30 seconds to boil a mug of tea.

Yes if only people would boil only the amount they need. filling a kettle for one cup of coffee is insane but v.common around here

well it ends up heating the room and or being half hot for next time you
need a cuppa.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

"tim....." wrote in message ...


"Dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:


As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power
consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be
appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended
purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW
kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second
1.5kW.

You must already have the new EU kettles, mines 3kW.
Takes about 30 seconds to boil a mug of tea.

you do know you're not supposed to put the tea in the kettle

Let alone the mug

On 29/08/2014 19:58, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air dryer though.

..and take how much energy/raw materials, causing what pollution, to
produce?


The same question can be applied to air hand dryers. I either case, my
answer is that I don't know and don't have the facilities to find out.
However, hot air hand dryers have been suspected in the spread of
Legionnaire's disease, while paper hand towels have not.

--
Colin Bignell

On 30/08/14 10:18, Capitol wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
So I am wondering if they've gone too far and machines aren't rinsing as
well as they could. Hard to be sure - could be all sorts of factors in a
public laundrette.

I seem to recall that testing shows that the modern low water rinse
cycle doesn't work at all well and high levels of detergent can be left
in clothes.

We're back on the "flushing the bog twice" then.

The only mitigating factor is my machines extra rinsing uses cold water,
so not much energy impact.

I will be annoyed though, if I had to use a laundrette and pay a second
time just to run it through awash with no detergent!

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 29/08/14 16:13, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname
here wrote:
...
The new public bog hand dryers that blast a sheet of
high speed tepid air work a lot better than an old
style monster that wafts slow hot air vaguely over your
hands...

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of air
dryer though.
And vigorous washing is more benefit than high temp water or
using a fancy DON'T CONTAMINATE YOUR DIRTY HANDS BY TOUCHING
A SOAP DISPENSER soap dispenser.

John

--
John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

You're never too old to learn something stupid

On 30/08/2014 12:03, Huge wrote:
You're welcome to faecal coliforms on your hands. I'll pass.

It is precisely because someone did pass... :-)

--
Rod

On 30/08/2014 10:18, Capitol wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
So I am wondering if they've gone too far and machines aren't rinsing as
well as they could. Hard to be sure - could be all sorts of factors in a
public laundrette.

I seem to recall that testing shows that the modern low water rinse
cycle doesn't work at all well and high levels of detergent can be left
in clothes.

Isn't this how those "no detergent" balls "work"? The clothes have
detergent left in them from previous washes, so still get clean.
Obviously when that detergent is washed out the ball will stop working.

In article , Huge
wrote:
On 2014-08-29, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname
here wrote:

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of
air dryer though.

..and take how much energy/raw materials, causing what
pollution, to produce?
Toilet paper usage makes me want to pull my little bit of
remaining hair out!

Two of the last four lots of visitors (all family) seem to
be snacking on it at the rate of more than a bog roll a day,
for a couple of adults and a small child.

It's gone rapidly in the 'house' toilet as well so I reckon
it's going to be Izal next time for them.

J

--
John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

A little bit of pain never hurt anyone

On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Huge wrote:

And because the Die-Soon Airblades(!) don't dry your fingertips, there's
always a pool of festering goo in the bottom of them. Horrid things.

I'm more concerned about the state of the door handles,
especially if you have to follow someone who hasn't even tried to
wash.

I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards? Could be a long wait
for someone to do it for you.

I don't understand why it's not required that loo doors open outwards to
allow users to push them open without using their hands. Crazy that you
can wash your hands and then have no option but to touch a handle that
may well (usually *will be*) be filthy.

--
F

"Mike Barnes" wrote in message ...

polygonum wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
The least energy is used by the more powerful kettles (which boil very
quickly).

Perhaps one of the biggest energy usage reductions is achieved by making
it as easy as possible to assess how much water is in the kettle. I
certainly remember lots of people filling their kettles up way over what
they needed - often because they were being over-cautious about making
sure the element was covered. The introduction of transparent windows
and elements in the base have made it possible to get the amount of
water right more of the time.

One gripe I have is that the scales vary - let us simply have a numeric
scale based on litres. Cups are so variable it really doesn't help very
much having a cup scale.

Measuring volumes in cups is bonkers. When I tried to buy a cafétiere
online I rejected any that didn't give the capacity in litres. That was
about 90% of those on offer.

I've just about got used to the American "cup", about 240 ml, only to
discover that the Japanese "cup" is 180 ml.

Got put off cups by two girls...

In article , Tim
Watts wrote:
Well, we did some washing on holiday and used the same
non bio (Persil) but in tablet format rather than liquid.
Persil is the one detergant guaranteed to cause a rash in
our family

John

--
John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

I bet being with gamblers anonymous will work this time

On 30/08/2014 09:53, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Huge wrote:

And because the Die-Soon Airblades(!) don't dry your fingertips, there's
always a pool of festering goo in the bottom of them. Horrid things.

I'm more concerned about the state of the door handles,
especially if you have to follow someone who hasn't even tried to
wash.

Chris


You can easily avoid getting the germs on your hands, just use your
teeth to open the door.

On 30/08/2014 13:49, F wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Huge wrote:

And because the Die-Soon Airblades(!) don't dry your fingertips,
there's
always a pool of festering goo in the bottom of them. Horrid things.

I'm more concerned about the state of the door handles,
especially if you have to follow someone who hasn't even tried to
wash.

I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?...

Limbo through the gap under the cubicle door.


--
Colin Bignell

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 29/08/14 16:11, Jabba wrote:
Tim Watts wrote


On 29/08/14 15:58, Jabba wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

Is it April 1st?

Or do to EU morons not understand that heating a fixed volume of water
is about *energy" not "power".


I liked the hairdressers response. If they have to use hair dryers
longer because of the lack of power, they could suffer from RSI. That
could be a serious issue as most have limp wrists to start with...



I don't think this one is actually the EU.

I think it's actually the UK gov trying to reduce peak demand because they
****ed up the national grid and it might get dark randomly over the coming
winters.

Handy being able to blame the EU as it's as plausible as "Jimmy Saville
molested my hamster".

I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I was
listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU decreed that
toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As a result, many
tended to need two flushes - using more water than before.

The same is certainly true of kettles. The least energy is used by the
more powerful kettles (which boil very quickly). In fact, if you reduce
the power below a certain level, the heat being lost by radiation and
convection of the surrounding air exceeds that being supplied, and it will
never ever boil (although this could be offset by adding sufficient
thermal insulation).

As the previous poster suggests, this may be a move to reduce peak power
consumption - but this simply faulty logic. The result will simply be
appliances being used for longer in order to fulfil their intended
purpose, As a result, at any one time, you might have (say) two 1kW
kettles on (overlapping use) instead of one 1.5kW followed by a second
1.5kW.

The use of "Jugs " compared with keetle is a big improvement in efficiency.
Maybe this is where they're heading.

"Chris French" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 29/08/14 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote:

I don't know the exact truth of the matter, but a few days ago, I was
listening to a radio phone-in. One caller claimed that the EU decreed
that toilet cisterns had to be reduce in volume (75%?). As a result,
many tended to need two flushes - using more water than before.

True IME. I fitted a high level cistern at my house and it works with one
flush (and it is a standard low volume type).

On holiday, the low level bogs needed 2 flushes typically for anything
more than a No 1.


Installed a new close couple toilet last year (so with the usual 6L (?)
cistern). It flushes fine.
--
Chris French

There are some crap ones about. I bought a cheapie. Useless object.

"Clive George" wrote in message
...
On 30/08/2014 10:18, Capitol wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
So I am wondering if they've gone too far and machines aren't rinsing as
well as they could. Hard to be sure - could be all sorts of factors in a
public laundrette.

I seem to recall that testing shows that the modern low water rinse
cycle doesn't work at all well and high levels of detergent can be left
in clothes.

Isn't this how those "no detergent" balls "work"? The clothes have
detergent left in them from previous washes, so still get clean.

Or you don't in fact actually need detergent at all for most washing.

Obviously when that detergent is washed out the ball will stop working.

On 30/08/14 17:43, Dennis@home wrote:
On 30/08/2014 09:53, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Huge wrote:

And because the Die-Soon Airblades(!) don't dry your fingertips, there's
always a pool of festering goo in the bottom of them. Horrid things.

I'm more concerned about the state of the door handles,
especially if you have to follow someone who hasn't even tried to
wash.

Chris


You can easily avoid getting the germs on your hands, just use your
teeth to open the door.

I do an "arab" and use my left hand to open bog doors - often with my
little finger if possible.

On 30/08/14 16:15, JTM wrote:
In article , Tim
Watts wrote:
Well, we did some washing on holiday and used the same
non bio (Persil) but in tablet format rather than liquid.
Persil is the one detergant guaranteed to cause a rash in
our family

Bio?

We had a lot of unexplained eczema with the kids - first we went to
Persil Non Bio liquid and that was a big improvement.

Then we dropped conditioner (SWMBO's idea - I did not see how it was
relevant) - but it did help.

No problems since - apart from the holiday wash...

On 30/08/14 13:37, JTM wrote:
In article , Huge
wrote:
On 2014-08-29, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2014 16:33, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname
here wrote:

Paper towels remove more bacteria than either type of
air dryer though.

..and take how much energy/raw materials, causing what
pollution, to produce?
Toilet paper usage makes me want to pull my little bit of
remaining hair out!

Sometimes you just need a lot - as a mate once said:

"bit of a fudge that one - 10 wipes just to get the poo off my testicles..."

Lot to be said for the Japanese funky jet wash bogs.

Two of the last four lots of visitors (all family) seem to
be snacking on it at the rate of more than a bog roll a day,
for a couple of adults and a small child.

It's gone rapidly in the 'house' toilet as well so I reckon
it's going to be Izal next time for them.

And end up with a jobbie on your head... Bloody useless stuff. Used to
have it at York Uni in 1986.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 30/08/14 17:43, Dennis@home wrote:
On 30/08/2014 09:53, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Huge wrote:

And because the Die-Soon Airblades(!) don't dry your fingertips,
there's
always a pool of festering goo in the bottom of them. Horrid things.

I'm more concerned about the state of the door handles,
especially if you have to follow someone who hasn't even tried to
wash.

Chris


You can easily avoid getting the germs on your hands, just use your
teeth to open the door.

I do an "arab" and use my left hand to open bog doors - often with my
little finger if possible.

Geez... that's gross. What if there isn't an arab for you to do, just use
the left hand?

On 29/08/2014 15:58, Jabba wrote:
European Union to ban dozens of high-wattage household electrical
appliances in follow-up to controversial ban on powerful vacuum cleaners

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...538/EU-to-ban-
high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

http://tinyurl.com/kjc2g4y



When it comes to kettles, I have been thinking that an induction kettle
could be rather neat.

* The kettle itself could be very simple - pretty much a vessel with a
magnetic material near the base.
* It could be insulated all round for safety as well as heat retention.
* The kettle could be lighter than at least most available kettles. This
is an important factor having seen both mother and partner struggle with
standard kettles due to age/illness.
* A fairly simple chip device could communicate between the kettle and
its base (e.g. temperature).
* The types of control already used in many induction hobs could easily
provide accurate temperature control for those who want
less-than-boiling water.
* An optional second, perhaps smaller, kettle could be available for
heating milk (yeeuggh - but some people apparently like it). Obviously
with the option of the chip in that selecting the best heating profile
for milk.
* An optional third pan-type kettle (i.e. more like a pan but designed
to fit the base) could effectively provide a fifth burner for those who
find the standard four on a hob not quite enough at times.
* Maybe a stirrer device could be incorporated - to help avoid uneven
heating of milk but also, and here this is pure speculation, to make the
kettle less noisy.
* The base could incorporate a weighing sensor so you can know exactly
how much water is in the kettle.
* Optional extra small and extra large kettles could be made available.
Obviously extra large would take much longer to heat up but possibly
perfectly acceptable.

With all these advantages there is bound to be some cost. Given the
incredibly low price of Lidl/Aldi double burner induction hobs, and the
incredibly high price of many kettles, I don't think it would be
impossible to produce such a kettle within current kettle price ranges.
However, you are not going to get one at the £7.95 distress purchase end
of the market any time soon.

--
Rod

polygonum wrote:

When it comes to kettles, I have been thinking that an induction kettle
could be rather neat.

Since you appear to think creeping featuritus is a good thing, I suggest
you learn from this lot, crowdfund your technokettle to see how many
others fancy paying £299.95 for one ....

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ryangrepper/coolest-cooler-21st-century-cooler-thats-actually

On 8/30/2014 5:21 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

S Viemeister wrote:

Huge wrote:

F news@nowhere wrote:

Huge wrote:

I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

http://stepnpull.com

On 31/08/2014 09:29, Andy Burns wrote:
polygonum wrote:

When it comes to kettles, I have been thinking that an induction kettle
could be rather neat.

Since you appear to think creeping featuritus is a good thing, I suggest
you learn from this lot, crowdfund your technokettle to see how many
others fancy paying £299.95 for one ....

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ryangrepper/coolest-cooler-21st-century-cooler-thats-actually


At least all the features I suggest are related to heating liquids! That
is totally bloody ridiculous.

--
Rod

On 31/08/2014 09:38, S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/30/2014 5:21 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

That's been our experience on most ships we've been on. But not ashore...

--
F

On 31/08/2014 09:38, S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/30/2014 5:21 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

A non-contact door lock-unlock switch on the one I went on earlier in
the year. Unlocking the door automatically opened it.

--
Colin Bignell

S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/30/2014 5:21 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

Is there a reason why outward-opening doors would not be installed on a
ship?

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 31/08/2014 12:12, Mike Barnes wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/30/2014 5:21 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

Is there a reason why outward-opening doors would not be installed on a
ship?


The same general objection to outward opening doors anywhere, they are
likely to be a hazard to people passing, but with the added problem that
ship gangways are often even narrower than most corridors.

--
Colin Bignell

Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 31/08/2014 12:12, Mike Barnes wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/30/2014 5:21 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

Is there a reason why outward-opening doors would not be installed on a
ship?

The same general objection to outward opening doors anywhere, they are
likely to be a hazard to people passing, but with the added problem that
ship gangways are often even narrower than most corridors.

I understand that, and the usual solution AFAICS is to set the door
back. That requires extra space, but I'd have thought that space was
rather less precious in the passenger areas of a cruise ship (not that
I've ever been on one).

So where there's a bin outside the inward-opening door, does that create
a small obstruction in the narrow corridor^W gangway?

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Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

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Mike Barnes wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/30/2014 5:21 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2014-08-30, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/08/2014 12:02, Huge wrote:
I don't touch the door handles in public loos.

So how do you get out if the door opens inwards?

Using a piece of loo roll. Or a paper towel if they have them.

We were on a cruise ship not long ago - the public loos all had tissue
dispensers next to the door on the inside, and a refuse bin next to the
door on the outside.

Is there a reason why outward-opening doors would not be installed on a
ship?

probably because, unless they had a window, you'd hit someone when you
opened tem.

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