Our old washing machine seems to be destined for the great spin cycle in
the sky[1] so new one time. John Lewis have their own brand JLWM1200 for
£230[2] but it seems to be made by Zanussi to JL's spec[3].

I thought Zanussi were generally reckoned to be crap. Does the fact John
Lewis use them make them OK or make John Lewis crap?


[1] house RCD cut out last weekend. Magic smell seemed to be escaping
from machine. Investigation revealed no obvious damage on PCB but motor
brushes down to nothing. eBayed some more & put them in today. RCD
clicked straight off again. Don't think I can justify shelling out on new
PCB or professional repair on ancient machine (Bosch Maxx WFL2260).


[2] http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-...hine-6kg-load-
a-energy-rating-1200rpm-spin-white/p230604487

[3] http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/reviews/...03-review.html



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On 25/06/14 21:38, John Stumbles wrote:
Our old washing machine seems to be destined for the great spin cycle in
the sky[1] so new one time. John Lewis have their own brand JLWM1200 for
£230[2] but it seems to be made by Zanussi to JL's spec[3].

I thought Zanussi were generally reckoned to be crap. Does the fact John
Lewis use them make them OK or make John Lewis crap?


[1] house RCD cut out last weekend. Magic smell seemed to be escaping
from machine. Investigation revealed no obvious damage on PCB but motor
brushes down to nothing. eBayed some more & put them in today. RCD
clicked straight off again. Don't think I can justify shelling out on new
PCB or professional repair on ancient machine (Bosch Maxx WFL2260).


new motor is sub £100 usually. I had this. Internal motor short to earth.


[2] http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-...hine-6kg-load-
a-energy-rating-1200rpm-spin-white/p230604487

[3] http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/reviews/...03-review.html




Get a miele or fix what you have


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In article ,
John Stumbles writes:
[1] house RCD cut out last weekend. Magic smell seemed to be escaping
from machine. Investigation revealed no obvious damage on PCB but motor
brushes down to nothing. eBayed some more & put them in today. RCD
clicked straight off again. Don't think I can justify shelling out on new
PCB or professional repair on ancient machine (Bosch Maxx WFL2260).

May need to use an air duster to blow brush dust off the insulators
holding the brushes, or wipe them clean if accessible.

New washing machine life has apparenly halved over last 10 years.
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.
You may well regret getting rid of an older machine which might have
been repairable, and ending up with a new one with limited life and
not servicable and clothes wearing out faster.

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On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:08:57 PM UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.

I am reduced to pouring in kettles of water through the detergent drawer to get my eco washing machine to use enough water. I like to see my clothes splashing through the Surf.

Haven't found anything that washes as well as a twin-tub with the proviso you need a room with a floor drain to deal with the splashes.

Owain

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On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:08:57 PM UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.

I am reduced to pouring in kettles of water through the detergent drawer to get my eco washing machine to use enough water. I like to see my clothes splashing through the Surf.




I often rinse the washing first, to ensure it's all wet. Overfill too,
so the clothes are not rubbing against each other. Dunno if it works !




Haven't found anything that washes as well as a twin-tub with the proviso you need a room with a floor drain to deal with the splashes.

Owain


I worked for a firm that paid it's *repairmen* a bonus for any twin tub
they claimed wasn't repairable and took away. It would be fixed, tidied
up and out in the showroom in a couple of days. The ripped off dozens
of little old ladies - the *******s.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:08:57 PM UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.

I am reduced to pouring in kettles of water through the detergent drawer to get my eco washing machine to use enough water. I like to see my clothes splashing through the Surf.

So I am not the only nutter that creeps into the kitchen to do this
arcane activity then.

In article ,
EricP writes:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:08:57 PM UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.

I am reduced to pouring in kettles of water through the detergent drawer to get my eco washing machine to use enough water. I like to see my clothes splashing through the Surf.

So I am not the only nutter that creeps into the kitchen to do this
arcane activity then.

+1

I kept my 1980's Hotpoint microprofile machine going as long as possible.
I bought it through GEC staff sales and talked with the Hotpoint engineers
who designed it (Hotpoint was also GEC back then - it's just a name now
used by Merloni/Indesit).

The standard wash cycle was designed to gently lift the clothes out and
drop them back into the water repeatedly, to wash the detergent (and
rinse water) through them. Variations for different fabrics would change
the level so as not to lift the clothes so far, right up to the hand-wash
wool program which filled far enough to never lift the clothes out and
just slowly agitate them. I used this to wash my dry-clean-only wollen
suit trousers many times, without causing any damage.

Today's machines are only allowed to use enough water to dampen the clothes,
and then rely on rubbing them together to do the cleaning, i.e. back to
the wash-board.

Parts such as drum bearings are no longer replacable - the drums are
solvent or heat welded shut, and the inner drums can't be removed.
The machine is designed to be replaced when things like drum bearings
wear out.

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On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:38:34 PM UTC+1, John Stumbles wrote:

Our old washing machine seems to be destined for the great spin cycle in
the sky[1] so new one time. John Lewis have their own brand JLWM1200 for
£230[2] but it seems to be made by Zanussi to JL's spec[3].
I thought Zanussi were generally reckoned to be crap. Does the fact John
Lewis use them make them OK or make John Lewis crap?
[1] house RCD cut out last weekend. Magic smell seemed to be escaping
from machine. Investigation revealed no obvious damage on PCB but motor
brushes down to nothing. eBayed some more & put them in today. RCD
clicked straight off again. Don't think I can justify shelling out on new
PCB or professional repair on ancient machine (Bosch Maxx WFL2260).
[2] http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-...hine-6kg-load-
a-energy-rating-1200rpm-spin-white/p230604487
[3] http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/reviews/...03-review.html

I'd prefer to fix the Bosch. When brushes wear out they splatter carbon dust all over, this is the most likely cause of the rcd trip. Running the motor through the washing machine is an easy way to get most of it off.

Spare used parts arent expensive when you can find them.


NT

En el artículo ,
escribió:

Running the motor through
the washing machine is an easy way to get most of it off.

I hope you meant the dishwasher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_jLpd-_gdY&feature=kp

Wouldn't that wash the grease out of the bearings?

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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Stumbles writes:
[1] house RCD cut out last weekend. Magic smell seemed to be escaping
from machine. Investigation revealed no obvious damage on PCB but motor
brushes down to nothing. eBayed some more & put them in today. RCD
clicked straight off again. Don't think I can justify shelling out on new
PCB or professional repair on ancient machine (Bosch Maxx WFL2260).

May need to use an air duster to blow brush dust off the insulators
holding the brushes, or wipe them clean if accessible.

New washing machine life has apparenly halved over last 10 years.
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.
You may well regret getting rid of an older machine which might have
been repairable, and ending up with a new one with limited life and
not servicable and clothes wearing out faster.


Reduced water level = increased mechanical action = more wear on clothes.
I have a Miele. Lasted over 20 years so far. Zero repairs.
Touch wood.
Dunno if the new ones are as good.

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On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:08:57 PM UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.

I am reduced to pouring in kettles of water through the detergent drawer
to get my eco washing machine to use enough water. I like to see my
clothes splashing through the Surf.




I often rinse the washing first, to ensure it's all wet. Overfill too,
so the clothes are not rubbing against each other. Dunno if it works !


Water levels can be ajusted by fiddling with the pressure switches.

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
EricP writes:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:08:57 PM UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Changes in wash cycle to meet EU regs also wears clothes much faster.

I am reduced to pouring in kettles of water through the detergent drawer
to get my eco washing machine to use enough water. I like to see my
clothes splashing through the Surf.

So I am not the only nutter that creeps into the kitchen to do this
arcane activity then.

+1

I kept my 1980's Hotpoint microprofile machine going as long as possible.
I bought it through GEC staff sales and talked with the Hotpoint engineers
who designed it (Hotpoint was also GEC back then - it's just a name now
used by Merloni/Indesit).

The standard wash cycle was designed to gently lift the clothes out and
drop them back into the water repeatedly, to wash the detergent (and
rinse water) through them. Variations for different fabrics would change
the level so as not to lift the clothes so far, right up to the hand-wash
wool program which filled far enough to never lift the clothes out and
just slowly agitate them. I used this to wash my dry-clean-only wollen
suit trousers many times, without causing any damage.

Today's machines are only allowed to use enough water to dampen the
clothes,
and then rely on rubbing them together to do the cleaning, i.e. back to
the wash-board.

Parts such as drum bearings are no longer replacable - the drums are
solvent or heat welded shut, and the inner drums can't be removed.
The machine is designed to be replaced when things like drum bearings
wear out.


Hmm. Interesting.
I used to repair automatic washing machines thirty odd years ago.
Some of them, it wasn't neccesary to open up the outer drum, the bearing was
replaced from outside.

But the earliest mass produced ones (Hoover, £100) were ****. They were put
out long before properly developed.
The range of fault was small but there were lots of them. Main bearing was
one of them. About four/five hours work to replace.
It had however a bomb proof induction motor.

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:45:31 AM UTC+1, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el art�culo ,
escribi�:

Running the motor through
the washing machine is an easy way to get most of it off.

I hope you meant the dishwasher.

er, yes Wy do I do so many typos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_jLpd-_gdY&feature=kp
Wouldn't that wash the grease out of the bearings?

Wuold enough detergent get into them to do that? My current machine's had its motor dishwashed and is fine.


NT

wrote
Mike Tomlinson wrote
wrote

Running the motor through the washing
machine is an easy way to get most of it off.

I hope you meant the dishwasher.

er, yes Wy do I do so many typos.

That's just the Alzheimer's, nothing to worry about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_jLpd-_gdY&feature=kp
Wouldn't that wash the grease out of the bearings?

Wuold enough detergent get into them to do that?
My current machine's had its motor dishwashed and is fine.

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:02:32 PM UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Mike Tomlinson wrote
wrote

Running the motor through the washing
machine is an easy way to get most of it off.

I hope you meant the dishwasher.

er, yes Wy do I do so many typos.

That's just the Alzheimer's, nothing to worry about.

Oldtimer's is one disease I'd hate to have.


NT

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:53:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

new motor is sub £100 usually. I had this. Internal motor short to
earth.

That's what it's turned out to be. Less than 10ohms armature to frame


--
John Stumbles

Thank God I'm an atheist

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:38:34 PM UTC+1, John Stumbles wrote:

Our old washing machine seems to be destined for the great spin cycle in
the sky[1] so new one time. John Lewis have their own brand JLWM1200 for
£230[2] but it seems to be made by Zanussi to JL's spec[3]. I thought Zanussi
were generally reckoned to be crap. Does the fact John Lewis use them make
them OK or make John Lewis crap?

We've had one - or at least a very similar model (looks the same but has a digital countdown timer) - for around 8 years now and have found it superb. It feels very well built and the only time it let us down was with a weeping inlet valve. We live in a very hard water area and such a fault is not at all uncommon. Finding a replacement valve was easy, as was fitting.

Mathew

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:59:11 PM UTC+1, John Stumbles wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:53:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

new motor is sub £100 usually. I had this. Internal motor short to
earth.

That's what it's turned out to be. Less than 10ohms armature to frame

You removed every trace of carbon first?


NT

wrote
Rod Speed wrote
wrote
Mike Tomlinson wrote
wrote

Running the motor through the washing
machine is an easy way to get most of it off.

I hope you meant the dishwasher.

er, yes Wy do I do so many typos.

That's just the Alzheimer's, nothing to worry about.

Oldtimer's is one disease I'd hate to have.

The good thing about it is that by the time you get it, you don't notice.

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:25:40 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:59:11 PM UTC+1, John Stumbles wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:53:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

new motor is sub £100 usually. I had this. Internal motor short to
earth.

That's what it's turned out to be. Less than 10ohms armature to frame

You removed every trace of carbon first?

iirc the wfl2260 motor is bolted to plastic, so a live motor case doesnt matter much - if the tacho isnt case connected. If so, and carbon cleanup doesnt do it, just remove motor earth & fit a caution notice.


NT

En el artículo ,
escribió:

Wuold enough detergent get into them to do that? My current machine's had its
motor dishwashed and is fine.

OK, ta. I'd probably give it a go too if it meant I could resurrect a
motor, though would want to see if I could re-lubricate the bearings
afterwards.

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In article , EricP
writes

So I am not the only nutter that creeps into the kitchen to do this
arcane activity then.

Me too, especially for things like bed linen and towels that soak up a
lot of water.

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On 25 Jun 2014 20:38:34 GMT, John Stumbles
wrote:

Our old washing machine seems to be destined for the great spin cycle in
the sky[1] so new one time. John Lewis have their own brand JLWM1200 for
£230[2] but it seems to be made by Zanussi to JL's spec[3].

I thought Zanussi were generally reckoned to be crap. Does the fact John
Lewis use them make them OK or make John Lewis crap?

I can't answer the question but is 6kg capacity adequate? (Just
changed an old (10 year plus) Bosch 6kg for a Bosch 8kg. And check out
ao.com, good for prices and next day deliveries.)