Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

On 20/02/2013 18:54, Dave West wrote:
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.


Window bars?

Or just an acorn to stop the window being slid open further?

In article , Dave West
wrote:
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to
be left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

my parents' home had what was referred to as a "Burglar catch". This was a
dropdown bar recessed into the upper sash when not set. This dropped down
with a gravity locking mechanism and prevented the lower sash opening more
than a preset amount. I've also come across a tapped plate, againe
recessed into the upper sash, into which you could screw a peg to prevent
the lower sash getting past. the first is neater and has no parts to get
lost. I'm sure any good architectural ironmonger will stock them.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 20/02/2013 18:54, Dave West wrote:
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.


Wooden blocks screwed to the inside of the sides of upper sash, unless
you want to be able to open it wider at other times.

A trickle vent through the sash or a glass vent would allow ventilation
without opening the window, but would be more difficult to fit.

Colin Bignell

On 20 Feb, 19:26, Nightjar wrote:
On 20/02/2013 18:54, Dave West wrote:

Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

Wooden blocks screwed to the inside of the sides of upper sash, unless
you want to be able to open it wider at other times.

A trickle vent through the sash or a glass vent would allow ventilation
without opening the window, but would be more difficult to fit.

Colin Bignell

if original they are usually draughty enough ;)

Jim K

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:54:03 PM UTC, Dave West wrote:

Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Most of the window locks that fit these do this job fine.


NT

In article , Dave West
writes
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...822_52_SA.html


As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1
1/4" x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:
In article , Dave West
writes
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window
to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...822_52_SA.html



As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1
1/4" x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.

Stops are easily overcome by forcing the sashes apart, and a pinned bead
is all that prevents the inner sash moving

On 20 Feb, 20:03, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:54:03 PM UTC, Dave West wrote:
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Most of the window locks that fit these do this job fine.

NT

"most"? no ITYM "a few"

Jim K

In article , stuart noble
writes
On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...Window_Stop_SA
_822_52_SA.html



As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1
1/4" x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.

Stops are easily overcome by forcing the sashes apart, and a pinned bead
is all that prevents the inner sash moving

So don't just pin the beads?
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

fred wrote:
In article , stuart noble
writes
On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...Window_Stop_SA
_822_52_SA.html



As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1
1/4" x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.

+1.

Stops are easily overcome by forcing the sashes apart, and a pinned bead
is all that prevents the inner sash moving

So don't just pin the beads?

That's fine, except that you'd need to force your way past whatever was
holding them in place in the event of having to do any maintenance, such
as replacing the sash cords. This would probably severely damage the
frame, necessitating new windows...

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 20 Feb, 21:25, John Williamson
wrote:
fred wrote:
In article , stuart noble
writes
On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...Window_Stop_SA
_822_52_SA.html

As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1
1/4" x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.

+1.

Stops are easily overcome by forcing the sashes apart, and a pinned bead
is all that prevents the inner sash moving

So don't just pin the beads?

That's fine, except that you'd need to force your way past whatever was
holding them in place in the event of having to do any maintenance, such
as replacing the sash cords. This would probably severely damage the
frame, necessitating new windows...

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

screws? WTF else?

Jim K

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , Dave West
writes
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to
be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...822_52_SA.html


As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1 1/4"
x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a place
is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the attention
of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way in.

Trouble with that line is that they can always break the glass if you leave
the window fully closed.

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:34:05 PM UTC, Jim K wrote:
On 20 Feb, 21:25, John Williamson
In article , stuart noble

So don't just pin the beads?

That's fine, except that you'd need to force your way past whatever was
holding them in place in the event of having to do any maintenance, such
as replacing the sash cords. This would probably severely damage the
frame, necessitating new windows...

screws? WTF else?

not enough adjustability


NT

On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:
....
With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.

There is probably a reason why so many basement windows are fitted with
bars.

The modern versions are probably less depressing when you are actually
in the flat:

http://www.securitygrillesdirect.co.uk/

Colin Bignell

On 21/02/2013 07:47, Nightjar wrote:
On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:
...
With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.

There is probably a reason why so many basement windows are fitted
with bars.

The modern versions are probably less depressing when you are actually
in the flat:

http://www.securitygrillesdirect.co.uk/

Colin Bignell
Do not forget the need to be able to get out in the case of fire.

On 21/02/2013 10:35, Gary wrote:
On 21/02/2013 07:47, Nightjar wrote:
On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:
...
With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a way
in.

There is probably a reason why so many basement windows are fitted
with bars.

The modern versions are probably less depressing when you are actually
in the flat:

http://www.securitygrillesdirect.co.uk/

Colin Bignell
Do not forget the need to be able to get out in the case of fire.

Sash windows are not a good choice for a fire exit. A second door is
much better and all the basement flats that I know of have both front
and back doors.

Colin Bignell

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:54:03 PM UTC, Dave West wrote:
Someone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash

windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be

left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.



Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

I've used these on mine in the past.

http://www.diy.com/nav/build/doors-w...?skuId=9286524


or search for 5010608011907 at diy.com.

On Feb 20, 9:06*pm, fred wrote:
In article , Dave West
writesSomeone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...sh_Window_Stop...

As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1
1/4" x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted.

With respect, we do exactly that on a regular basis, but then we don't
live in a Pikey area.

MBQ

On 21/02/2013 14:54, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Feb 20, 9:06 pm, fred wrote:
In article , Dave West
writesSomeone with a basement flat with old wooden frame vertical sliding sash
windows wants some simple to fit security device to enable the window to be
left open safely a couple of inches whilst no one is in the flat.

Grateful for an suggestions on a simple to fit device.

These are good:

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...sh_Window_Stop...

As the window opens, the lower sash covers the bottom part of the plate
which strengthens the retention of the stop if the window is forced.

Ditch the screws they come with, they are too weedy, I think I used 1
1/4" x 10 or possibly 12 to make them a bit more secure.

Always fit in pairs.

With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted.

With respect, we do exactly that on a regular basis, but then we don't
live in a Pikey area.

MBQ


But pikeys are mobile

On Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:33:21 AM UTC, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:34:05 PM UTC, Jim K wrote:

On 20 Feb, 21:25, John Williamson

In article , stuart noble



So don't just pin the beads?



That's fine, except that you'd need to force your way past whatever was

holding them in place in the event of having to do any maintenance, such

as replacing the sash cords. This would probably severely damage the

frame, necessitating new windows...



screws? WTF else?



not enough adjustability

?? How often do you adjust your inner beads then? Assuming you have got any ...

Jim K

On Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:01:22 PM UTC, Jim K wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:33:21 AM UTC, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:34:05 PM UTC, Jim K wrote:
On 20 Feb, 21:25, John Williamson
In article , stuart noble

So don't just pin the beads?
That's fine, except that you'd need to force your way past whatever was
holding them in place in the event of having to do any maintenance, such
as replacing the sash cords. This would probably severely damage the
frame, necessitating new windows...
screws? WTF else?
not enough adjustability
?? How often do you adjust your inner beads then? Assuming you have got any ...

Beading is prone to need adjustment after decorating. As seasons change it moves, so sometimes it needs adjusted twice. Screw holes aren't really adjustable, pins are easily moved without leaving huge holes.


NT

"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 21/02/2013 10:35, Gary wrote:
On 21/02/2013 07:47, Nightjar wrote:
On 20/02/2013 21:06, fred wrote:
...
With respect to your friend I wouldn't leave any windows open when a
place is unoccupied, whatever the security fitted. IMO it attracts the
attention of thieves and once they take an interest they will find a
way
in.

There is probably a reason why so many basement windows are fitted
with bars.

The modern versions are probably less depressing when you are actually
in the flat:

http://www.securitygrillesdirect.co.uk/

Colin Bignell
Do not forget the need to be able to get out in the case of fire.

Sash windows are not a good choice for a fire exit.

They are however better than nothing.

A second door is much better and all the basement flats that I know of
have both front and back doors.

But that wont necessarily help if you cant get out the room door.