I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?

Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.

Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
just visit the once.

Can anybody help me here?

For the record, the context in which I'm coming to this is as follows:
Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
on some the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
a regimented council "scheme."

If you have been, thanks for reading.

Nick

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:21:40 +0000, Nick Odell
wrote:

I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?

Bugger: wrong group.

Sorry about that!

Nick

Nick Odell wrote

I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference
between making your home available to a lodger and
making your home available for bed and breakfast.

Surely the obvious difference is the usual time of stay involved.

And what is a paying guest?

Just another name for a lodger IMO.
Lodger is getting a bit antique now.

Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent
a Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone
who stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to
stay every second Tuesday or once in a blue moon.

Yes.

Or I suppose, just the once.

I doubt too many call it that unless they decide that they
don't like the meals you serve and demand a full refund etc.

Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity
to register with the local council, food and fire regulations
etc yet a bed and breakfast guest could stay in your home
for months,

But normally doesn't.

visit regularly or just visit the once.

Can anybody help me here?

Presumably its just another example of where they want to
enforce some extra requirements for what they call B&B and
need to allow the traditional lodger/room rent to not have
to comply with those requirements. In other words distinguish
between the two groups, even tho there is some overlap on
the detail.

For the record, the context in which I'm coming to this is as follows:
Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
on some the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
a regimented council "scheme."

Presumably they didn't allow for that situation when doing the B&B
requirements.

Most jurisdictions make a distinction between backpacker accommodation
and the more traditional B&B tho it may be quite hard to separate them
at the edges.

I'd be surprised if the council would see yours as other than B&B
unless they do have provision for backpacker accommodation, and
even that is likely to have more regimentation than the traditional
lodger arrangements. Not clear how easy it would be to convince
them that its actually a traditional lodger situation.

And then there is also the traditional boarding house approach
too. How does the council handle that in your town, if at all ?

Plenty of places do have places where those who used to be
kept in mental institutions etc now exist on welfare, usually
called boarding houses, and most jurisdictions have different
requirements for those than they do with traditional B&Bs.
The residents normally stay much longer than with B&Bs.

Oh well, then there is the planning aspect. I noted that training is some
kind of special use so residential sites that do education have to apply for
planning permission.

Brian

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"Nick Odell" wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:21:40 +0000, Nick Odell
wrote:

I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?

Bugger: wrong group.

Sorry about that!

Nick

In message , Nick Odell
writes
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:21:40 +0000, Nick Odell
wrote:

I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?

Bugger: wrong group.

Sorry about that!

No, no, no

no more off topic than many of the posts that find their way here

.... the sort of project that plenty of people here would be willing to
support, I'm sure by spreading word of what you're doing

Post a bit more detail

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geoff

In message , geoff
writes
In message , Nick Odell
writes
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:21:40 +0000, Nick Odell
wrote:

I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?

Bugger: wrong group.

Sorry about that!

No, no, no

no more off topic than many of the posts that find their way here

... the sort of project that plenty of people here would be willing to
support, I'm sure by spreading word of what you're doing

Post a bit more detail

Very relevant here but sensitive in that full planning may not have been
obtained.

Local authorities take a close interest in the accommodation available
within their district. Lots of boxes to tick:-(

A danger is that while tax reliefs encourage you to take a lodger, the
same space used for B+B or short term lets may be considered a business
use; requiring planning consent and potentially changing the status of
part of your home.

This can impact on community charge and the taxation of any future sale.


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Tim Lamb

On Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:21:40 PM UTC, Nick Odell wrote:
I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between

making your home available to a lodger and making your home available

for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?



Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a

Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who

stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every

second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.



Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register

with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and

breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or

just visit the once.



Can anybody help me here?

When we were looking at running a B&B, lots of the regulations were based on the idea that the guests would be unfamiliar with the house, so that for instance in a fire, they wouldn't know the escape routes. I expect that a lodger would be expected to be either a regular guest or longer term, so those issues wouldn't apply.
Getting the permissions was fairly painless, and would have been very straightforward in a 2 storey house - the only problems we had were around fire regs for the attic.

A

In message , Nick Odell
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I've got the opportunity to buy a huge 5-story mixed
business/residential building and I'm trying to see if I can tease out
of it a business plan that won't bankrupt me. I'll probably take the
safe option and pass this opportunity by because I can see it being a
local authority nightmare and a money pit. Northerners will know the
sort of building I mean: a combined overdwelling and underdwelling
where it presents as a modest 2-story building from the road but a
towering five-story Grade II listed edifice from the canal. I can
envisage big workshops and residential courses (and as I hinted in my
first post, I'd like to make the money from the residential bit but
make the courses free) but all the other considerations aside, I'm not
sure I'll want to run something that complex when I'm in my seventies
- that's if I make it into my seventies, of course.

Some distant friends tried this in France. They are keen on quilting and
fabric collage. The concept was short residential holidays with quilting
tuition.

Unfortunately the recession coupled with property price changes and
threats of changed taxation rules hit them very hard leading to a
housing downscale on their return.

I suppose you need to be confident that potential guests would find the
area worth visiting anyway. They won't be beavering away constructing
instruments for 24 hours each day. Are you likely to provide catering or
must they forage locally. If a couple, what does the wife/husband do
while the other is busy. Is the timescale for the finished work within
what might be afforded for a holiday?

These things can work. My wife and a friend had a week in Majorca last
year doing water colour and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. That was a
full package with airport transfer, catering and tuition.

Sometimes these holidays involve art combined with walking for the
spouse.

good luck!

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Tim Lamb

On Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:29:07 PM UTC, Nick Odell wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:21:40 +0000, Nick Odell

wrote:



I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between

making your home available to a lodger and making your home available

for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?



Bugger: wrong group.


Buggering lodgers can also get you in hot water ;-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-20936243




Sorry about that!



Nick

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:14:35 +0000, Nick Odell wrote:

Northerners will know the sort of building I mean: a combined
overdwelling and underdwelling where it presents as a modest 2-story
building from the road but a towering five-story Grade II listed
edifice from the canal.

Listed - money pit. And one assumes a huge amount of space. This is
supposed to be "retirement" and "enjoyable". What ever you go for needs
to run and provide enough income without a great deal of effort from
yourself, baove what you find enjoyable. As you say is this practical in
your 70's?

Is there scope for having a sort of music/craft co-operative of some sort
with others renting space in your building?

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Dave.