Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what
is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm
sure I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment
would be to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop
motherboards.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one for
£43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

TIA

On 09/08/2012 19:22, Dave wrote:
Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what is
"emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm sure
I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment would be
to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop motherboards.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one for
£43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457


or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

TIA


I have something unbranded but similar looking, and a smaller cheaper
version (no laser). I think they would be fine for CPU temperatures,
they are also good for balancing radiators. I stick a bit of black PVC
tape on the valve when doing this in the belief it should improve the
accuracy. For most purposes you don't need absolute accuracy to less
than a couple of degrees. In theory results should be less reliable on
shiny metal surfaces (google emissivity for more details). If you were
using it (say) for process control where accuracy was important you
could always calibrate it against a thermocouple (and then you would
have to decide whether you need a calibrated thermocouple). My guess is
that they might have similar errors to cheap thermistor based devices.
But they go up to much higher temperatures.

newshound laid this down on his screen :
On 09/08/2012 19:22, Dave wrote:
Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what is
"emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm sure
I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment would be
to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop motherboards.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one for
£43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457


or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

TIA


I have something unbranded but similar looking, and a smaller cheaper version
(no laser). I think they would be fine for CPU temperatures, they are also
good for balancing radiators. I stick a bit of black PVC tape on the valve
when doing this in the belief it should improve the accuracy. For most
purposes you don't need absolute accuracy to less than a couple of degrees.
In theory results should be less reliable on shiny metal surfaces (google
emissivity for more details). If you were using it (say) for process control
where accuracy was important you could always calibrate it against a
thermocouple (and then you would have to decide whether you need a calibrated
thermocouple). My guess is that they might have similar errors to cheap
thermistor based devices. But they go up to much higher temperatures.

Cheers Newshound, I think I'll treat myself tomorrow then lol

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:22:41 +0100, Dave wrote:


I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one for
£43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

Have a look at www.chinavision.com

2 types, £10 or £16. I've otrdered a few bits from them, decent
quality and cheap cheap cheap.

Chinese sense of humour too...
If I use this IR thermometer to take someone's temperature, will they
feel anything?
No, absolutely nothing. They will not even know you are taking their
temperature.
Is this thermometer safe?
Yes. This thermometer uses infrared to read temperatures, which is
perfectly safe. Just make sure that you don't shine the laser into
anyone's eye! If you want to measure the temperature of someone's eye,
please use a different device.

http://www.chinavasion.com/qsh5/
Advanced Non-Contact Infrared Thermometer with Laser Targeting and
Emissivity Adjustment

http://www.chinavasion.com/wwgh/
Non-Contact Infrared Thermometer with Laser Targeting/LCD Display

Dave wrote:
Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what
is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm
sure I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment
would be to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop
motherboards.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one
for £43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

Best cat toy you will ever buy:-)

If you are not in a rush to buy one Maplins often do half price sales on
them. Paid about £20 for mine.

--
Adam

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:01:07 +0100, Simon Cee wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:22:41 +0100, Dave wrote:


I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one for
£43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

Have a look at www.chinavision.com


Oops, that should be www.chinavasion.com

Tim Streater explained :
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and also
without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what is
"emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

Was there some reason you were unable to look it up?

Yes. I'm thick. Rather than read lots of confusing big words, I just
wanted someone to say yes, these are good little gadgets or no, they're
a waste of money. Or for someone to say, that's not a bad one but this
one is better.

On 09/08/2012 21:15, ARWadsworth wrote:
Dave wrote:
Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what
is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm
sure I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment
would be to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop
motherboards.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one
for £43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

Best cat toy you will ever buy:-)

If you are not in a rush to buy one Maplins often do half price sales on
them. Paid about £20 for mine.

Good call, I think my little one may have come from there. Maplins have
a load of stuff on offer at the moment anyway. But you probably *do*
want one with a laser to check CPUs.

On 09/08/2012 19:22, Dave wrote:

Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what is
"emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

Some surfaces radiate better than others. So when making an estimate of
the temperature based on the IR being emitted the device has to take
this into question. The cheaper meters will make a fixed assumption
about this. They work well on most surfaces, but will be fooled by
reflective things and shiny metal etc. o you could read the temperature
of a radiator for example, but would not get a sensible reading from the
pipework or valve's body.

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm sure
I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment would be
to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop motherboards.

Hence one with adjustable emissivity might be handy since you could be
looking at unpainted heatsinks.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one for
£43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457

Looks fine.

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

I have a simpler one that works well, but would not be as well suited to
your application.


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John.

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On 09/08/2012 22:46, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Tim Streater explained :
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank
and also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for
instance, what is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

Was there some reason you were unable to look it up?

Yes. I'm thick. Rather than read lots of confusing big words, I just
wanted someone to say yes, these are good little gadgets or no,
they're a waste of money. Or for someone to say, that's not a bad one
but this one is better.

:-)

John's explained about emissivity (but I still think you could have got
that info yourself). While he's right that a variable emissivity device
will be useful in more situations, generally you can take emissivity to
be 0.95, fixed, which is what the cheaper devices do. This covers most
surfaces except shiny ones, so you'll get a decent result off a rad
painted black or white, but not a shiny chrome one.

Although black dry marker pen is reasonably effective and reversible as
a way to make the emissivity non-metalic. Though you can sometimes be
unlucky and find a surface that has pores and marks permanently with dry
marker.

Basically any shiny metal behaves to some extent as a reflector of IR
wavelengths. Most resin paints and common materials are black in the
thermal IR including glass windows.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Dave wrote

Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and also
without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what is
"emissivity"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissivity

and does it need to be adjustable?

Depends on what you want to used the IR thermometer for.

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one purpose
but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm sure I'll
find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment would be to
monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop motherboards.

Then you don't need to have one that does adjustable emissivity.

But you are much better off using the inbuilt sensors to measure
the temps and monitor those with something like Everest.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one for
£43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for absolutely
no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

"Rod Speed" wrote:
Dave wrote

Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what is "emissivity"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissivity

and does it need to be adjustable?

Depends on what you want to used the IR thermometer for.

Wodney Speed - self appointed Expert in Everything. Master of **** all.

In article om,
newshound writes
On 09/08/2012 21:15, ARWadsworth wrote:
Dave wrote:
Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what
is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm
sure I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment
would be to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop
motherboards.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one
for £43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...546.xml&sku=IN
05457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

Best cat toy you will ever buy:-)

If you are not in a rush to buy one Maplins often do half price sales on
them. Paid about £20 for mine.

Good call, I think my little one may have come from there. Maplins have
a load of stuff on offer at the moment anyway. But you probably *do*
want one with a laser to check CPUs.

I'm sure mine was from Maplin when on special, was def under 20quid
_and_ has a laser. Haven't seen them at those prices (either at Maplin
or CPC) for ages though.
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

In article , ARWadsworth
writes
Dave wrote:
Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and
also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what
is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one
purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm
sure I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment
would be to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop
motherboards.

I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one
for £43 inc VAT:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...46.xml&sku=IN0
5457

or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd

Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for
absolutely no more than £60, but preferably £50 or less?

Best cat toy you will ever buy:-)

Aaaaand you can see how hot and bothered the cat is getting . . .
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Rodney. Why don't you shut the **** up? Do you enjoy making yourself
look like the dumbarse you are each time you post to usenet?

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

On 09/08/2012 22:46, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Tim Streater explained :
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank
and also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for
instance, what is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?

Was there some reason you were unable to look it up?

Yes. I'm thick. Rather than read lots of confusing big words, I just
wanted someone to say yes, these are good little gadgets or no,
they're a waste of money. Or for someone to say, that's not a bad one
but this one is better.

:-)

John's explained about emissivity (but I still think you could have got
that info yourself). While he's right that a variable emissivity device
will be useful in more situations, generally you can take emissivity to
be 0.95, fixed, which is what the cheaper devices do. This covers most
surfaces except shiny ones, so you'll get a decent result off a rad
painted black or white, but not a shiny chrome one.

Worth noting that if you do want a reading of something metal and shiny,
then sticking a bit of tape on it will usually suffice to get a reading.


--
Cheers,

John.

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En el artículo
nal-september.org, Steve Firth escribió:

Wodney Speed - self appointed Expert in Everything. Master of **** all.

Always worth an occasional pointer to the WodneyFAQ, Steve.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v
RodBot: http://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Steve Firth wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Rodney. Why don't you shut the **** up? Do you enjoy making yourself
look like the dumbarse you are each time you post to usenet?

It must do, it's been doing it for at least 15 years.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

John Williamson wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote just the puerile **** that it
always ends up with when its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it
ALWAYS is.

Rodney. Why don't you shut the **** up? Do you enjoy making yourself
look like the dumbarse you are each time you post to usenet?

It must do, it's been doing it for at least 15 years.

Been ****ing over fools like you two for a hell of a lot longer than that,
****wit.

Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.


Rodney. Why don't you shut the **** up? Do you enjoy making yourself
look like the dumbarse you are each time you post to usenet?

Rod Speed wrote:

John Williamson wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote just the puerile **** that it
always ends up with when its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it
ALWAYS is.

Rodney. Why don't you shut the **** up? Do you enjoy making yourself
look like the dumbarse you are each time you post to usenet?

It must do, it's been doing it for at least 15 years.

I've been a ****ed over fool for a hell of a lot longer than that. I'm a
card carrying ****wit.

Sadly true. Any chance of you growing up before another 15 years is
over?

On 09/08/2012 22:54, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically any shiny metal behaves to some extent as a reflector of IR
wavelengths. Most resin paints and common materials are black in the
thermal IR including glass windows.

Regards,
Martin Brown

I'd love to find a reference for your comments on paints. I have a work
job at the moment where this is a very real issue. IR spectra by ATR
show relatively narrow absorption bands with high transmission in
between. These are paints on blast cleaned (i.e. rough) steel. Are we
getting absorption at the metal-paint interface? Coating thickness is
200 - 250 microns, two pack epoxy and polysiloxane "white" paint.

TIA
Steve

On 10/08/2012 08:50, newshound wrote:
On 09/08/2012 22:54, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically any shiny metal behaves to some extent as a reflector of IR
wavelengths. Most resin paints and common materials are black in the
thermal IR including glass windows.

Regards,
Martin Brown

I'd love to find a reference for your comments on paints. I have a work

It is a slight over simplification but basically true for most paints.

Work in this area is not much in the open literature but some is for the
paints used on major observatory domes. Brief intro here a few searches
on ADS abstracts should get you more detail:

http://www.umich.edu/~lowbrows/refle...1/tryan.5.html

Basically the old way was to use extremely white paint to keep solar
heat out of big observatory domes. Now they use a cunning mix of white
and aluminium to get thermaly neutral paint at night. Otherwise the dome
surface supercools to the night sky and cold air drips in through the
open dome slit producing local severe turbulence in the seeing.

Other variants include base coat clear technology where the undercoat is
shiny metallic to reflect most light and the top coat varnish is as
close to being black in the thermal IR band as they can make it.

Another intro:

http://www.pcimag.com/articles/intro...ctive-pigments

There are military applications to adjusting your thermal IR emission
signature.

job at the moment where this is a very real issue. IR spectra by ATR
show relatively narrow absorption bands with high transmission in
between. These are paints on blast cleaned (i.e. rough) steel. Are we
getting absorption at the metal-paint interface? Coating thickness is
200 - 250 microns, two pack epoxy and polysiloxane "white" paint.

Is the white TiO2 pigment? I am a physicist and not a proper chemist but
I can ask my wife who is tonight. I have no experience with ATR.

Asking your paint supplier tech support is probably your best bet.

Regards,
Martin Brown

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
En el artículo
nal-september.org, Steve Firth escribió:

Wodney Speed - self appointed Expert in Everything. Master of **** all.

Always worth an occasional pointer to the WodneyFAQ, Steve.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v
RodBot: http://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

It's high time the dickhead ****ed off out of here.

On 10/08/2012 09:34, Martin Brown wrote:
On 10/08/2012 08:50, newshound wrote:
On 09/08/2012 22:54, Martin Brown wrote:

Basically any shiny metal behaves to some extent as a reflector of IR
wavelengths. Most resin paints and common materials are black in the
thermal IR including glass windows.

Regards,
Martin Brown

I'd love to find a reference for your comments on paints. I have a work

It is a slight over simplification but basically true for most paints.

Work in this area is not much in the open literature but some is for the
paints used on major observatory domes. Brief intro here a few searches
on ADS abstracts should get you more detail:

http://www.umich.edu/~lowbrows/refle...1/tryan.5.html

Basically the old way was to use extremely white paint to keep solar
heat out of big observatory domes. Now they use a cunning mix of white
and aluminium to get thermaly neutral paint at night. Otherwise the dome
surface supercools to the night sky and cold air drips in through the
open dome slit producing local severe turbulence in the seeing.

Other variants include base coat clear technology where the undercoat is
shiny metallic to reflect most light and the top coat varnish is as
close to being black in the thermal IR band as they can make it.

Another intro:

http://www.pcimag.com/articles/intro...ctive-pigments

There are military applications to adjusting your thermal IR emission
signature.

job at the moment where this is a very real issue. IR spectra by ATR
show relatively narrow absorption bands with high transmission in
between. These are paints on blast cleaned (i.e. rough) steel. Are we
getting absorption at the metal-paint interface? Coating thickness is
200 - 250 microns, two pack epoxy and polysiloxane "white" paint.

Is the white TiO2 pigment? I am a physicist and not a proper chemist but
I can ask my wife who is tonight. I have no experience with ATR.

Asking your paint supplier tech support is probably your best bet.

Regards,
Martin Brown


Thanks, that is fascinating. I hadn't thought about observatory domes
before. We are looking at "off the shelf" industrial paints where solar
heating is sometimes of interest, but IR performance doesn't normally
matter. Last time this came up the client had some emissivity
measurements done at Cardiff.

The suppliers are a bit coy about their formulations; I'd expect the top
coats to contain plenty of TiO2, but when I get some samples I will pop
them in an SEM!

Steve

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Rod Speed wrote:

I've been a ****ed over fool for a hell of a lot longer than that. I'm a
card carrying ****wit.

We know Wodney, we know. You've been told to FOAD by more famous people
than I. What stops you taking the excellent advice that you have been
given?

Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

One wonders how one "gets done like a dinner"? Does it mean that I am
dressed in fine linen, set about with shiny flatware and served with
fine wines?

Meanwhle... which bit of Italy did you visit Wodders? Was it Sydney or
Gladstone?

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that’s all it can ever manage when
it's done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

On 11/08/2012 13:28, Steve Firth wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

I've been a ****ed over fool for a hell of a lot longer than that. I'm a
card carrying ****wit.

We know Wodney, we know. You've been told to FOAD by more famous people
than I. What stops you taking the excellent advice that you have been
given?


I, for one, am losing the will to live. Why do you people seem to
delight in ruining the enjoyment of serious readers and posters to this
and other newsgroups by continuously engaging in petty attacks on
others? It is behaviour more suited to the school playground and it is
boring.

This particular thread was of great interest to me personally but, yet
again, it is being ruined and useful posts on the subject will now be
lost amongst the purile postings of those hell-bent on showing how small
their minds really are!

This newsgroup used to be a place where useful information was available
to those in need of help with DIY problems or projects but, the pathetic
childlike attempts to belittle others simply ruins it for everyone.

Is it envy or the need to show how big they are that drives the small
core of attackers on this newsgroup? Why don't you all ignore the TROLLS
and if you disagree with what someone posts either ignore it or respond
constructively and move on to something more interesting and productive.

I know my post will attract the same pathetic bullying responses from
the same small minded, ignorant people but, I rest easy in the knowledge
that the sane, intelligent users of this newsgroup will agree with my
sentiments.

--
Phamer

On 13/08/12 09:45, Phamer wrote:
On 11/08/2012 13:28, Steve Firth wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

I've been a ****ed over fool for a hell of a lot longer than that. I'm a
card carrying ****wit.

We know Wodney, we know. You've been told to FOAD by more famous people
than I. What stops you taking the excellent advice that you have been
given?


I, for one, am losing the will to live. Why do you people seem to
delight in ruining the enjoyment of serious readers and posters to this
and other newsgroups by continuously engaging in petty attacks on
others? It is behaviour more suited to the school playground and it is
boring.

This particular thread was of great interest to me personally but, yet
again, it is being ruined and useful posts on the subject will now be
lost amongst the purile postings of those hell-bent on showing how small
their minds really are!

This newsgroup used to be a place where useful information was available
to those in need of help with DIY problems or projects but, the pathetic
childlike attempts to belittle others simply ruins it for everyone.

Is it envy or the need to show how big they are that drives the small
core of attackers on this newsgroup? Why don't you all ignore the TROLLS
and if you disagree with what someone posts either ignore it or respond
constructively and move on to something more interesting and productive.

I know my post will attract the same pathetic bullying responses from
the same small minded, ignorant people but, I rest easy in the knowledge
that the sane, intelligent users of this newsgroup will agree with my
sentiments.

+1

--
djc

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:45:27 +0100, Phamer
wrote:

I know my post will attract the same pathetic bullying responses from
the same small minded, ignorant people

The trick is to killfile Rod and his like permanently, and k/f for 48
hours the responders to him. It's amazing how sane the group becomes.

Phamer wrote:
[snip overlong rant]

I know my post will attract the same pathetic bullying responses from the
same small minded, ignorant people but, I rest easy in the knowledge that
the sane, intelligent users of this newsgroup will agree with my sentiments.


And... Relax. I assume that you can spot the hypocrisy that your rant
represents? If you don't want to see the posts that you complain about use
your kill file.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, "Phamer" writ:

This newsgroup used to be a place where useful information was
available to those in need of help with DIY problems or projects but,
the pathetic childlike attempts to belittle others simply ruins it for
everyone.

Is it envy or the need to show how big they are that drives the small
core of attackers on this newsgroup? Why don't you all ignore the
TROLLS and if you disagree with what someone posts either ignore it or
respond constructively and move on to something more interesting and
productive.

I know my post will attract the same pathetic bullying responses from
the same small minded, ignorant people but, I rest easy in the
knowledge that the sane, intelligent users of this newsgroup will agree
with my sentiments.

Totally agree with your comments. A voice of sanity at last. I kill-file
the muppets but people insist on quoting them so I end up seeing the
drivel they write anyway :0(
--
P

On 8/13/2012 3:45 AM, Phamer wrote:

This particular thread was of great interest to me personally but, yet
again, it is being ruined and useful posts on the subject will now be
lost amongst the purile postings of those hell-bent on showing how small
their minds really are!

Use your killfile.

On 8/13/2012 4:30 AM, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:45:27 +0100, Phamer
wrote:

I know my post will attract the same pathetic bullying responses from
the same small minded, ignorant people

The trick is to killfile Rod and his like permanently, and k/f for 48
hours the responders to him. It's amazing how sane the group becomes.

+1

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:15:28 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Dave wrote:

Looking to buy an infrared thermometer without breaking the bank and

also without knowing exactly what I'm looking at - for instance, what

is "emissivity" and does it need to be adjustable?



I'm sure that these are the sort of things that are bought for one

purpose but actually end up being used for dozens of things and I'm

sure I'll find loads of uses for it, but my main use at the moment

would be to monitor temperatures of GPUs and CPUs on laptop

motherboards.



I live about a mile away from CPC in Preston and have seen this one

for �43 inc VAT:



http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/mo...ml&sku=IN05457



or http://tinyurl.com/bp2p5wd



Anyone have experience of them? Good? Bad? Anything better for

absolutely no more than �60, but preferably �50 or less?



Best cat toy you will ever buy:-)

Yep I'll support that if fact that's pretty much all mines used for now.
Brought from Maplin for about £25.



If you are not in a rush to buy one Maplins often do half price sales on

them. Paid about �20 for mine.



--

Adam