Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money, another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

Mr Pounder wrote:
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money, another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.



I am bored with it already. And it hasn't even started.

Or has it? Oh, don't tell me. I couldn't care less.

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that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder
wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better
spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

You should worry. Stratford is between me and London. People who live in
the London area are going to have a nightmare with closed lanes, closed
roads, public transport even more overloaded than usual etc.
Those living in the area which was supposed to be improved seem to have
been most put out.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:12:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Mr Pounder wrote:
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another **** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been
better spent on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

I am bored with it already. And it hasn't even started.

Or has it? Oh, don't tell me. I couldn't care less.

It hasn't but people have started arriving and the chaos has started.

Hugh - Was Invisible wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder
wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better
spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

You should worry. Stratford is between me and London. People who live in
the London area are going to have a nightmare with closed lanes, closed
roads, public transport even more overloaded than usual etc.
Those living in the area which was supposed to be improved seem to have
been most put out.

I'm still wondering if there are going to be confused foreign tourists in
the other Stratford wondering where the stadium is...


--
Tim Watts

In message , Mr Pounder
writes
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money, another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

Its a corporate money orgy

--
geoff

On 21/07/12 19:56, Mr Pounder wrote:
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money, another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better spent on
the NHS?

Too right.

I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

I live in London., I don't see it as a benefit.


--
djc

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder
wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better
spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.



And it is indirectly getting even more of our money than may initially be
obvious. Atos is a sponsor, sorry - partner, for the Olympics &
Paralympics. But they get a huge wodge of money from the DWP for doing
medical assessments on DLA claimants - which these days seem to have
extraordinarily high levels of successful appeals.

--
Rod

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another **** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been
better spent on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.



I am bored with it already. And it hasn't even started.

Or has it? Oh, don't tell me. I couldn't care less.

I actually went to see the torch pass, the wife decided that as it will
never happen again we may as well see what the fuss was about.
I was underwhelmed as I expect the 30 or so other people standing there
watching.
The BBC reported thousands turned out so I guess they were somewhere else.

"polygonum" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder
wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better
spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.



And it is indirectly getting even more of our money than may initially be
obvious. Atos is a sponsor, sorry - partner, for the Olympics &
Paralympics. But they get a huge wodge of money from the DWP for doing
medical assessments on DLA claimants - which these days seem to have
extraordinarily high levels of successful appeals.

--
Rod

I thought I would be standing alone with my posting.

On 21/07/2012 20:03, dennis@home wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another **** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been
better spent on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has
been spent.



I am bored with it already. And it hasn't even started.

Or has it? Oh, don't tell me. I couldn't care less.

I actually went to see the torch pass, the wife decided that as it will
never happen again we may as well see what the fuss was about.
I was underwhelmed as I expect the 30 or so other people standing there
watching.
The BBC reported thousands turned out so I guess they were somewhere else.

Bloody joke. In Leyton nobody could pick their kids up from school by
car. Had they waited a week, the schools would have broken up.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:03:15 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:



"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another **** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been
better spent on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.



I am bored with it already. And it hasn't even started.

Or has it? Oh, don't tell me. I couldn't care less.

I actually went to see the torch pass, the wife decided that as it will
never happen again we may as well see what the fuss was about.
I was underwhelmed as I expect the 30 or so other people standing there
watching.
The BBC reported thousands turned out so I guess they were somewhere else.

I think they were all in Huddersfield. The police estimate for
attendance was about 40,000 so based on their figures from demos I
guess that makes it about two million or so.

Nick

I've never understood why anybody would be fascinated by the fact that some
people can run faster than others, jump higher, or hit a ball with more
accuracy.

Mr Pounder wrote

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,

Nope, there are always some with every games.

another **** up waiting to happen

Nope, there are always some with every games.

and that the money could have been better spent on the NHS?

Nope, there are always some with every games with
something else they recon its better to spend the money on.

I live in the north

Not even possible. Exist, possibly...

and will not see a penny of where my money has been spent.

You could just cut to the chase and hang yourself or sumfin.

In message , Bert
Coules writes
I've never understood why anybody would be fascinated by the fact that
some people can run faster than others, jump higher, or hit a ball with
more accuracy.


You mean a desire to be the best

watching the best compete to see who is the best of the best?

People need heroes

Why they should choose corporate sponsors who represent the total
opposite of the olympic ideal, why half the roads in london should
close, why the only beer allowed on site isn't even british etc

Thats where I have a problem


--
geoff

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another **** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been
better spent on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

No, you're not. It's a load of corporate money grabbing ********. I find
it rather tasteless that in these times of fatties everywhere, an event
that is about sport, and one would hope help to promote health and
fitness is sponsored/owned by McDonalds and Coca-Cola. They can ****
right off.


--
Mike P

Well yes in some ways of course. Unfortunately, most of the decisions were
taken in times of plenty.
Hindsight is wonderful and if you have a time machine then best rent it to
the next Government, mind you they would probably leave it on a train.


I reckon this group should declare itself an Olympics free zone from Friday.

Brian

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"Mr Pounder" wrote in message
...
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money, another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better spent
on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

On 21/07/2012 18:56, Mr Pounder wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,

That would seem unlikely.

another **** up waiting to happen

Possibly, but then again it might all go swimmingly.

and that the money could have been better spent on the NHS?

Ah, a **** up that has already happened?

I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

Not directly, but there is a fair chance there will be indirect benefit.
(GB "brand" awareness (assuming aforementioned **** up does not create
the wrong sort of awareness!)

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On 21/07/12 18:56, Mr Pounder wrote:
Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money, another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better spent on
the NHS?

No.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:00:52 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:


I reckon this group should declare itself an Olympics free zone from Friday.

I wonder if there is a link between those of us who 'do' versus those
of us who like to watch other people doing (no, not dogging as such).

Like, I like cycling, archery, canoeing, sailing and rowing but I'm
not particularly interested in watching other people doing the same.

Neither do I see any of them as 'My' heroes. There will always be
someone who can run or swim faster than someone else shrug.

And as for someone who happens to be able to kick a ball getting paid
as much and being seen as some sort of deity ... that's a game, for
the park, with your mates, jumpers for goalposts etc. grin

And without those of us who do what we do for fun, how would those who
are at the top of their game look then?

And as for any of the getting knighthoods etc ...

Thank goodness I've also got a couple of motorbikes to use as and when
the local roads get gridlocked (well, more than usual).

Cheers, T i m

John Rumm wrote
Mr Pounder wrote

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,

That would seem unlikely.

Absolutely guaranteed in fact.

another **** up waiting to happen

Possibly, but then again it might all go swimmingly.

It hasn't already.

and that the money could have been better spent on the NHS?

Ah, a **** up that has already happened?

Lots better than the alternative.

I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

Not directly, but there is a fair chance there will be indirect benefit.

Not to him there wont be, you watch.

(GB "brand" awareness

Completely ****ing useless.

(assuming aforementioned **** up does not create the wrong sort of
awareness!)

Its already done that with the GS4 complete and utter ****up and
the border goons/arseholes going on strike at the worst possible time.

Hmm, well, I nearly got involved with blind archery, but all that pulling
back of the bow did my elbow in.
Brian

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"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:00:52 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:


I reckon this group should declare itself an Olympics free zone from
Friday.

I wonder if there is a link between those of us who 'do' versus those
of us who like to watch other people doing (no, not dogging as such).

Like, I like cycling, archery, canoeing, sailing and rowing but I'm
not particularly interested in watching other people doing the same.

Neither do I see any of them as 'My' heroes. There will always be
someone who can run or swim faster than someone else shrug.

And as for someone who happens to be able to kick a ball getting paid
as much and being seen as some sort of deity ... that's a game, for
the park, with your mates, jumpers for goalposts etc. grin

And without those of us who do what we do for fun, how would those who
are at the top of their game look then?

And as for any of the getting knighthoods etc ...

Thank goodness I've also got a couple of motorbikes to use as and when
the local roads get gridlocked (well, more than usual).

Cheers, T i m

"geoff" wrote:

You mean a desire to be the best.

Exactly. I don't understand competitiveness. Never have.

Bert

In message , T i m
writes
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:00:52 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:


I reckon this group should declare itself an Olympics free zone from Friday.

I wonder if there is a link between those of us who 'do' versus those
of us who like to watch other people doing (no, not dogging as such).

Like, I like cycling, archery, canoeing, sailing and rowing but I'm
not particularly interested in watching other people doing the same.

Neither do I see any of them as 'My' heroes. There will always be
someone who can run or swim faster than someone else shrug.

And a forum where this can be tested, why not?


And as for someone who happens to be able to kick a ball getting paid
as much and being seen as some sort of deity ... that's a game, for
the park, with your mates, jumpers for goalposts etc. grin

And without those of us who do what we do for fun, how would those who
are at the top of their game look then?

Money corrupts


And as for any of the getting knighthoods etc ...

I dislike the whole concept of the honours system, lets not get started
on that


Thank goodness I've also got a couple of motorbikes to use as and when
the local roads get gridlocked (well, more than usual).

There is that ...


--
geoff

In message , Bert
Coules writes
"geoff" wrote:

You mean a desire to be the best.

Exactly. I don't understand competitiveness. Never have.

Life is a competition for all but the most vegetative


--
geoff

"Mike P" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another **** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been
better spent on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

No, you're not. It's a load of corporate money grabbing ********. I find
it rather tasteless that in these times of fatties everywhere, an event
that is about sport, and one would hope help to promote health and
fitness is sponsored/owned by McDonalds and Coca-Cola. They can ****
right off.


--
Mike P

I'm another one, all this talk about we must reduce our deficit and it will
cost us alot of money once the games are over. Judging by the sponsors it
should be called the Diabetic Games
Robbie

In message , Roberts
writes

"Mike P" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another **** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been
better spent on the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

No, you're not. It's a load of corporate money grabbing ********. I find
it rather tasteless that in these times of fatties everywhere, an event
that is about sport, and one would hope help to promote health and
fitness is sponsored/owned by McDonalds and Coca-Cola. They can ****
right off.


--
Mike P

I'm another one, all this talk about we must reduce our deficit and it will
cost us alot of money once the games are over. Judging by the sponsors it
should be called the Diabetic Games
Robbie


For those who want this NG to be an olympics free zone, there seems to
be an awful lot of airing going on


--
geoff

On 21/07/2012 23:02, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
T i m wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:00:52 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:


I reckon this group should declare itself an Olympics free zone from
Friday.

I wonder if there is a link between those of us who 'do' versus those
of us who like to watch other people doing (no, not dogging as such).
Like, I like cycling, archery, canoeing, sailing and rowing but I'm
not particularly interested in watching other people doing the same.

I'd say that's partly because cycling doesn't involve any skill, just
being fit. For the other activities you mention except archery, more
skill is involved but that is not so obvious to the casual observer. You
have to have done the activity yourself to notice.

Neither do I see any of them as 'My' heroes. There will always be
someone who can run or swim faster than someone else shrug.

+1

And as for someone who happens to be able to kick a ball getting paid
as much and being seen as some sort of deity ... that's a game, for
the park, with your mates, jumpers for goalposts etc. grin

+1 again, except that it can sometimes be interesting to watch an expert
footer player.

And without those of us who do what we do for fun, how would those who
are at the top of their game look then?

And as for any of the getting knighthoods etc ...

Even more dopey.

I would have said that the likes of Steve Redgrave getting 4 golds in 4
consecutive Olympics was a super human achievement and worthy of such
recognition... certainly more deserving than those who receive them for
brown nosing the incumbent politicos of the day.




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Bert Coules wrote:
"geoff" wrote:

You mean a desire to be the best.

Exactly. I don't understand competitiveness. Never have.

Bert

where were you when your anscestors were running away from sabre toothed
tigers?

Anyway you have won the competition to be the most graceless nerd :-)

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To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:01:38 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Hmm, well, I nearly got involved with blind archery, but all that pulling
back of the bow did my elbow in.

It can have it's 'costs' that's for sure.

I guess most of the activities (I wouldn't call them 'sort; in my
usage) I typically get involved in revolve around using 'kit'. And
that is really part of the appeal, using a machine or vessel to do
what I want.

Years and years ago Dad signed a mate and I up for an open regatta on
Oulton Broad and to my surprise we came 3rd out of a very mixed fleet
of about 30 boats. However, whilst it was ok, I much prefer actually
going from A to B by sail, rather than just racing round in circles.
;-)

But then it does seem to be the nature of some humans to want to
*******ise everything, turning what should be transport into a race.

I've never been interested in racing full size bikes / boats / cars /
cycles', however, I have done a fair bit of RC car and boat racing (I
was even a sponsored driver for a couple of seasons) because I was the
owner, driver and pit crew. ;-)

When I was racing RC cars (the second time around, when racing with
our daughter), most of my time was spent helping those kids who were
just dumped off at the track by their parents who were using it like a
creche. They neither had tools nor the skills to use them so it was
nice to be able to help and show / advise them how they could help
themselves.


Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:46:10 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/07/2012 23:02, Tim Streater wrote:

And as for any of the getting knighthoods etc ...

Even more dopey.

I would have said that the likes of Steve Redgrave getting 4 golds in 4
consecutive Olympics was a super human achievement and worthy of such
recognition...

I guess that all depends on how much notice you take of all that 'sort
of thing'?

certainly more deserving than those who receive them for
brown nosing the incumbent politicos of the day.

Oh, for sure.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Anyway you have won the competition
to be the most graceless nerd :-)

Nerd, I accept with a degree of pride. But when exactly have I been
graceless?

In message , T i m
writes
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:01:38 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Hmm, well, I nearly got involved with blind archery, but all that pulling
back of the bow did my elbow in.

It can have it's 'costs' that's for sure.

I guess most of the activities (I wouldn't call them 'sort; in my
usage) I typically get involved in revolve around using 'kit'. And
that is really part of the appeal, using a machine or vessel to do
what I want.

Years and years ago Dad signed a mate and I up for an open regatta on
Oulton Broad and to my surprise we came 3rd out of a very mixed fleet
of about 30 boats. However, whilst it was ok, I much prefer actually
going from A to B by sail, rather than just racing round in circles.
;-)

But then it does seem to be the nature of some humans to want to
*******ise everything, turning what should be transport into a race.

I've never been interested in racing full size bikes / boats / cars /
cycles', however, I have done a fair bit of RC car and boat racing (I
was even a sponsored driver for a couple of seasons) because I was the
owner, driver and pit crew. ;-)

But there is always competition - winners and losers

You're of an age when you took the 11+

I presume you passed and went to grammar school, you BEAT someone else
who didn't. Same through academic / employed life

Life cannot be neutral

Your life is, to an extent, run by those who have competed to be in
government /local authority / whatever
--
geoff

geoff wrote
T i m wrote
Brian wrote

Hmm, well, I nearly got involved with blind archery, but all that
pulling back of the bow did my elbow in.

It can have it's 'costs' that's for sure.

I guess most of the activities (I wouldn't call them 'sort; in my usage)
I typically get involved in revolve around using 'kit'. And that is
really part of the appeal, using a machine or vessel to do what I want.

Years and years ago Dad signed a mate and I up for an open regatta on
Oulton Broad and to my surprise we came 3rd out of a very mixed fleet
of about 30 boats. However, whilst it was ok, I much prefer actually
going from A to B by sail, rather than just racing round in circles.
;-)

But then it does seem to be the nature of some humans to want to
*******ise everything, turning what should be transport into a race.

I've never been interested in racing full size bikes / boats / cars /
cycles', however, I have done a fair bit of RC car and boat racing (I was
even a sponsored driver for a couple of seasons) because I was the owner,
driver and pit crew. ;-)

But there is always competition - winners and losers

You're of an age when you took the 11+

I presume you passed and went to grammar school, you BEAT someone else who
didn't.

Nope, they just decided that he was worth that.

No BEATING involved.

Same through academic / employed life

Nope.

Life cannot be neutral

Corse it can, and can involve cooperation as well.

Brian didn't lose when he ended up blind either.

Your life is, to an extent, run by those who have competed to be in
government /local authority / whatever

Yours might be. Mine aint.

Hugh - Was Invisible wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder
wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better
spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

You should worry. Stratford is between me and London. People who live in
the London area are going to have a nightmare with closed lanes, closed
roads, public transport even more overloaded than usual etc.
Those living in the area which was supposed to be improved seem to have
been most put out.

When it happened in Sydney Australia, every one whinged and moaned
before the event but in reality when it started the traffic flowed
better than ever, the buses and trains flowed faultlessly.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:29:10 +0100, geoff wrote:


But then it does seem to be the nature of some humans to want to
*******ise everything, turning what should be transport into a race.

But there is always competition - winners and losers

Not always.

You're of an age when you took the 11+

Not quite I don't think (55?)

I presume you passed and went to grammar school, you BEAT someone else
who didn't.

Nope. Left my Comprehensive when I was 15 as I hated it. Went onto a
Technical College where I did a 'Trans Ed' course and loved it.
English, Maths, Science or Technical Drawing in the mornings (to 'O'
Level), welding, sheet metalwork, automobile engineering, catering and
workshop practice in the afternoons (and after college I was on the
Teletype to the PDP11 at Hatfield Poly till the caretaker threw me
out). ;-)

Same through academic / employed life

I guess. However, not the sort of 'competition that people actively
indulge in as with sport. ie, If I went to a job interview I was
potentially up against other candidates but we didn't know about each
other and it wasn't a 'sport' as such.

Doing the 100m (especially when you didn't want to) wasn't
'competition for those who weren't interested in competing.

Life cannot be neutral

True, but I still think there is a distinction between true active
competition, where the whole point *is* the competition and those
things where there is one 'winner' as such but whilst 'winning' is the
destination it isn't the journey.

Your life is, to an extent, run by those who have competed to be in
government /local authority / whatever

Oh, sure. I'm not saying I wasn't involved in that sort of competition
directly, just if I am it's mostly unwittingly and often as a
bystander rather than spectator. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

"F Murtz" wrote in message
d.com...
Hugh - Was Invisible wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:56:33 +0100, Mr Pounder
wrote:

Is it only me who considers the Games to be a huge waste of money,
another
**** up waiting to happen and that the money could have been better
spent on
the NHS?
I live in the north and will not see a penny of where my money has been
spent.

You should worry. Stratford is between me and London. People who live in
the London area are going to have a nightmare with closed lanes, closed
roads, public transport even more overloaded than usual etc.
Those living in the area which was supposed to be improved seem to have
been most put out.

When it happened in Sydney Australia, every one whinged and moaned before
the event but in reality when it started the traffic flowed better than
ever, the buses and trains flowed faultlessly.

Only because hordes chose not to bother with normal movements and work etc.

It was also deliberately timed so that schools were out etc.

On 21/07/2012 23:02, Tim Streater wrote:

I'd say that's partly because cycling doesn't involve any skill, just
being fit.

You do talk **** sometimes.

In message , Bert
Coules wrote
I've never understood why anybody would be fascinated by the fact that
some people can run faster than others, jump higher, or hit a ball with
more accuracy.


But only if they are on performance enhancing drugs.

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In message , John
Rumm wrote

Not directly, but there is a fair chance there will be indirect
benefit. (GB "brand" awareness (assuming aforementioned **** up does
not create the wrong sort of awareness!)


Brand awareness for an American burger and fizzy drink?
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Alan
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