Our house is being refurbished at the moment so I thought it would be a good
idea to put in some cabling and outlets for computer/tv/sat/fm/telephone
whilst everythings opened up. Planning to use the understairs cupboard as
the nerve centre (broadband router will be shoved in here- draytek2600) and
will use the MK Logic Plus range thoughtout so the new outlets match the
existing electrical sockets/switches.

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to each
room in the house?

Would like data and telephone connections in most rooms. Not sure whether to
use RJ45 data sockets throughout or to use these and separate BT telephone
sockets. What would you recommend? I know you can use the data network and
RJ45 sockets for the phone but how do you go about setting this up?

With regards to tv/sat/fm, planning to put a 'loftbox' in the understairs
cupboard with a couple of CT100 cables running to the lounge and a single
CT100 cable runing o each bedroom. In the lounge I would have a tv/sat/fm
triplexer with additional tv and tel connections (MK part K3563 WHI) and the
bedooms I would have tv/fm diplexers. Would this meet my requirement to have
tv/sat/fm in each room? (I do understand that with this setup I would be
restricted to viewing the same sat channel in each room)

Finally...

How close can the CAT5e STP, CT100 and mains cable be to one another?
(Thinking of interference here)


Thanks in advance for any help/advice given.

Dave.

Dave wrote:

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to each
room in the house?

CAT5 is cheap, so work out hoy many you think you are ever likely to
need and then install twice that number! ;-)

(BTW it's more usual these days to install CAT5 UTP rather than STP)

Would like data and telephone connections in most rooms. Not sure whether to
use RJ45 data sockets throughout or to use these and separate BT telephone
sockets. What would you recommend? I know you can use the data network and
RJ45 sockets for the phone but how do you go about setting this up?

I would go for modular connectors - these consist of a face plate that
has a large cutout in it, into which you can snap a pair (single face
plate) or 4 (double faceplate) modules. You can get modules that
terminate in all sorts of sockets including BT and RJ45. With CAT5 you
have 4 pairs - only 2 of which are used for ethernet links. Hence you
can wire the other pairs for for telephone use. If you use "master"
style BT modules (i.e. with a built in ring capacitor) then you only
need wire 1 pair of wires for a BT connection. This also helps reduce
possibility of noise on the phone line as a result of having to use one
wire of the second pair for the "ring" wire otherwise.

With regards to tv/sat/fm, planning to put a 'loftbox' in the understairs
cupboard with a couple of CT100 cables running to the lounge and a single
CT100 cable runing o each bedroom. In the lounge I would have a tv/sat/fm
triplexer with additional tv and tel connections (MK part K3563 WHI) and the
bedooms I would have tv/fm diplexers. Would this meet my requirement to have
tv/sat/fm in each room? (I do understand that with this setup I would be
restricted to viewing the same sat channel in each room)

Sounds fair enough. If you have thoughts of sticking freeview boxes in
any place in the future then try and stick to fully shielded connectors
and face plates where possible.

Finally...

How close can the CAT5e STP, CT100 and mains cable be to one another?
(Thinking of interference here)

The usual recommendation for telephone connections is keep parallel runs
of cable at least 2" or 50mm apart. I would not have thought the CT100
however would cause much problem if placed in proximity of any of the
others since it is well screened and carrying signals well out of the
likely frequency range of the signals on the other cables.

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John.

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With regards to tv/sat/fm, planning to put a 'loftbox' in the understairs
cupboard with a couple of CT100 cables running to the lounge and a single
CT100 cable runing o each bedroom. In the lounge I would have a tv/sat/fm
triplexer with additional tv and tel connections (MK part K3563 WHI) and
the
bedooms I would have tv/fm diplexers. Would this meet my requirement to
have
tv/sat/fm in each room? (I do understand that with this setup I would be
restricted to viewing the same sat channel in each room)

If you want to control the sat box with "magic eye" remote extenders in each
room, make sure the triplexer can deal with the DC control voltage.

An alternative, but with no BT socket is to get a Clipsal 1 gang 4 way
modular socket (Clipsal E34WE), an "F" coax output and 3 "UHF TV/FM"
modules.
Connect satellite feed to the "F" connector, TV and FM aerial leads to "UHF
modules", and then a return UHF from the sat box aerial output 2 (and
video/DVD etc) up the third "UHF module" back into the loft.
Now get a cheap aerial splitter instead of a loftbox, and distribute the
sat/tv signal to all rooms. If you want FM, either diplex the signals into
the UHF or run extra coax to each bedroom socket.

Unfortunately Clipsal don't make a BT phone socket, though they do make a
Cat 5 socket.
This setup means a bit more coax laying, but the splitter should be cheaper
than the loftbox (8way £30vs.£90, 4way £25vs.£70), the socket is 1 gang, and
the satellite signal is tampered with a lot less (which can be important
with a small dish / weak signal).

Dave wrote:

Our house is being refurbished at the moment so I thought it would be a good
idea to put in some cabling and outlets for computer/tv/sat/fm/telephone
whilst everythings opened up. Planning to use the understairs cupboard as
the nerve centre (broadband router will be shoved in here- draytek2600) and
will use the MK Logic Plus range thoughtout so the new outlets match the
existing electrical sockets/switches.

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to each
room in the house?



Depends on teh room. Miniumum of two I'd say. Most of my cat 5/tepelhone
sockets have a spare cable coiled inside em.

This room (nerve center office has 8 cat 5 and one tv socket, and a rats
nest of cat 5, sat coax and alarm wiring coming into a 19" rack...


Would like data and telephone connections in most rooms. Not sure whether to
use RJ45 data sockets throughout or to use these and separate BT telephone
sockets. What would you recommend? I know you can use the data network and
RJ45 sockets for the phone but how do you go about setting this up?


What I did was run cat 5, and apart from the office, simply put the
correct thing (BT master, or Ethernet) socket in in each room. Its easy
enough to cahnge, and that way I didn't have to wory abourt apperance,
and used nice bneat brassy phone sockets where its 'posh' roomspace...

Here in the office I use RJ45 to BT master tails, as its the office.

All this lot terminates in a RJ45 patch panel, and teh outputs from a
panasonic PABX are terminated there as well, and patched across.



With regards to tv/sat/fm, planning to put a 'loftbox' in the understairs
cupboard with a couple of CT100 cables running to the lounge and a single
CT100 cable runing o each bedroom. In the lounge I would have a tv/sat/fm
triplexer with additional tv and tel connections (MK part K3563 WHI) and the
bedooms I would have tv/fm diplexers. Would this meet my requirement to have
tv/sat/fm in each room? (I do understand that with this setup I would be
restricted to viewing the same sat channel in each room)


Off my patch. Don't do sat. I put a labgear amp with multiplexed FM/TV
to every room. Worjks fine - don't even bother to demux - just use a
pair of sockets hard wired together. Makes eff all difference.



Finally...

How close can the CAT5e STP, CT100 and mains cable be to one another?
(Thinking of interference here)


Keep the mains away from the cat 5 and coax. They can be run together no
probs.




Thanks in advance for any help/advice given.

Dave.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:

Our house is being refurbished at the moment so I thought it would be a
good
idea to put in some cabling and outlets for computer/tv/sat/fm/telephone
whilst everythings opened up. Planning to use the understairs cupboard
as
the nerve centre (broadband router will be shoved in here- draytek2600)
and
will use the MK Logic Plus range thoughtout so the new outlets match the
existing electrical sockets/switches.

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to each
room in the house?


I have run CAT 5 and CT100 around the house -

CAT 5 - In lounge I have 2 double outlets in each corner, plus another by
the TV point, in all others I have 2 doubles in all others rooms.

CT100 - In lounge 3 pairs of CT100 outlets neat TV location, a pair in each
corner, all other rooms I have at least 2 CT100 outlets - in close location
to CAT5 outlets.
I run 3 x CT100 to sat dish location, and 2 to the TV antennae location.


All runs go to central location (Node zero).

Yet to find a neat patch panel for CT 100, but they must exist.

Rick

Rick Hughes wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Dave wrote:


Our house is being refurbished at the moment so I thought it would be a

good

idea to put in some cabling and outlets for computer/tv/sat/fm/telephone
whilst everythings opened up. Planning to use the understairs cupboard

as

the nerve centre (broadband router will be shoved in here- draytek2600)

and

will use the MK Logic Plus range thoughtout so the new outlets match the
existing electrical sockets/switches.

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to each
room in the house?



I have run CAT 5 and CT100 around the house -

CAT 5 - In lounge I have 2 double outlets in each corner, plus another by
the TV point, in all others I have 2 doubles in all others rooms.

CT100 - In lounge 3 pairs of CT100 outlets neat TV location, a pair in each
corner, all other rooms I have at least 2 CT100 outlets - in close location
to CAT5 outlets.
I run 3 x CT100 to sat dish location, and 2 to the TV antennae location.


All runs go to central location (Node zero).

Yet to find a neat patch panel for CT 100, but they must exist.


Probably easier to use BNC sockets and cross wire with BNC patch leads.



Rick

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Rick Hughes wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Dave wrote:


Our house is being refurbished at the moment so I thought it would be a

good

idea to put in some cabling and outlets for computer/tv/sat/fm/telephone
whilst everythings opened up. Planning to use the understairs cupboard

as

the nerve centre (broadband router will be shoved in here- draytek2600)

and

will use the MK Logic Plus range thoughtout so the new outlets match the
existing electrical sockets/switches.

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to each
room in the house?



I have run CAT 5 and CT100 around the house -

CAT 5 - In lounge I have 2 double outlets in each corner, plus another by
the TV point, in all others I have 2 doubles in all others rooms.

CT100 - In lounge 3 pairs of CT100 outlets neat TV location, a pair in each
corner, all other rooms I have at least 2 CT100 outlets - in close location
to CAT5 outlets.
I run 3 x CT100 to sat dish location, and 2 to the TV antennae location.


All runs go to central location (Node zero).

Yet to find a neat patch panel for CT 100, but they must exist.


Probably easier to use BNC sockets and cross wire with BNC patch leads.



Rick






You could make a CT100 patch panel using F connectors. There is a
female-female connector that is threaded along its length and comes with
a couple of locknuts. Best bet is to mount these on a non-conductive
panel. This will remove any hum loops and eddy current problems.

If you must have a patch panel that is.....
--
Tony Sayer

are there any NG's / web sites for this specific subject - would like to
more about it before I start wiring up the rooms...Probably get them all
wired up and realise I've missed something that I would have liked!! Doh!

J.



"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Rick Hughes wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Dave wrote:


Our house is being refurbished at the moment so I thought it would be
a

good

idea to put in some cabling and outlets for
computer/tv/sat/fm/telephone
whilst everythings opened up. Planning to use the understairs cupboard

as

the nerve centre (broadband router will be shoved in here-
draytek2600)

and

will use the MK Logic Plus range thoughtout so the new outlets match
the
existing electrical sockets/switches.

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to
each
room in the house?



I have run CAT 5 and CT100 around the house -

CAT 5 - In lounge I have 2 double outlets in each corner, plus another
by
the TV point, in all others I have 2 doubles in all others rooms.

CT100 - In lounge 3 pairs of CT100 outlets neat TV location, a pair in
each
corner, all other rooms I have at least 2 CT100 outlets - in close
location
to CAT5 outlets.
I run 3 x CT100 to sat dish location, and 2 to the TV antennae
location.


All runs go to central location (Node zero).

Yet to find a neat patch panel for CT 100, but they must exist.


Probably easier to use BNC sockets and cross wire with BNC patch leads.



Rick






You could make a CT100 patch panel using F connectors. There is a
female-female connector that is threaded along its length and comes with
a couple of locknuts. Best bet is to mount these on a non-conductive
panel. This will remove any hum loops and eddy current problems.

If you must have a patch panel that is.....
--
Tony Sayer

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:36:57 GMT, "J."
wrote:

are there any NG's / web sites for this specific subject - would like to
more about it before I start wiring up the rooms...Probably get them all
wired up and realise I've missed something that I would have liked!! Doh!

J.

There are some digital and satellite TV newsgroups, but the focus
seems to be more on how to steal content from broadcasters and the
button sequence needed to access a Skybox.

Not very enlightening normally.



..andy

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J. wrote:
are there any NG's / web sites for this specific subject - would like
to more about it before I start wiring up the rooms...Probably get
them all wired up and realise I've missed something that I would have
liked!! Doh!

Stick your head round the corner into uk.tech.digital-tv and look for Bill
Wright. He does that sort of thing for a living so he'd be the guy to ask.

--
James...
http://www.jameshart.co.uk/

James Hart wrote:


Stick your head round the corner into uk.tech.digital-tv and look for Bill
Wright. He does that sort of thing for a living so he'd be the guy to ask.

Lots of useful info on his web site as well:-

http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/

--
Cheers,

John.

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Still trying to get my head around all this cabling stuff...

IF I run 1 wire to each room from my loft (eh.. sorry dustribution point )
using CT100 will this enable me to watch my DVD/sat in each room. I suppose
I would need to run cable from the DVD/sat in the living room to the loft
also. If this sounds correct what devices would I need to do this??

Ta.

J.



"Dave" wrote in message
...
Our house is being refurbished at the moment so I thought it would be a
good
idea to put in some cabling and outlets for computer/tv/sat/fm/telephone
whilst everythings opened up. Planning to use the understairs cupboard as
the nerve centre (broadband router will be shoved in here- draytek2600)
and
will use the MK Logic Plus range thoughtout so the new outlets match the
existing electrical sockets/switches.

How many network cables (CAT5e STP) would it be advisable to run to each
room in the house?

Would like data and telephone connections in most rooms. Not sure whether
to
use RJ45 data sockets throughout or to use these and separate BT telephone
sockets. What would you recommend? I know you can use the data network
and
RJ45 sockets for the phone but how do you go about setting this up?

With regards to tv/sat/fm, planning to put a 'loftbox' in the understairs
cupboard with a couple of CT100 cables running to the lounge and a single
CT100 cable runing o each bedroom. In the lounge I would have a tv/sat/fm
triplexer with additional tv and tel connections (MK part K3563 WHI) and
the
bedooms I would have tv/fm diplexers. Would this meet my requirement to
have
tv/sat/fm in each room? (I do understand that with this setup I would be
restricted to viewing the same sat channel in each room)

Finally...

How close can the CAT5e STP, CT100 and mains cable be to one another?
(Thinking of interference here)


Thanks in advance for any help/advice given.

Dave.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:12:16 GMT, "J."
wrote:

Still trying to get my head around all this cabling stuff...

IF I run 1 wire to each room from my loft (eh.. sorry dustribution point )
using CT100 will this enable me to watch my DVD/sat in each room. I suppose
I would need to run cable from the DVD/sat in the living room to the loft
also. If this sounds correct what devices would I need to do this??

Ta.

J.



It really depends on how sophisticated you want it to be - for
example, if you want to be able to have your satellite receiver, VCR
and DVD in one room and then be able to watch any combination of these
in other rooms simultaneously. This needs a fair bit of equipment
in the form of modulators, filters and distribution amplifiers to do
properly.

If you are happy with just distributing off-air TV plus (VCR or DVD or
Satellite) - i.e. TV plus one, possibly two other things then
something cheap and cheerful like a Loftbox may be good enough

http://www.tvlink.co.uk/loftbox.htm


..andy

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