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Mark wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote: Got to do a fair bit of pointing soon, I've also seen a sort of sealant gun for mortar http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd140/p51065 Are these any good? Bit wary after spending money on a Durgun which was useless (I know its for a different application). video of someone using a mortar Gun its ok with Lime, but Christ it would be an unimaginable mess with cement mortar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgjxCcQ020M That was certainly my experience |
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dave writes: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:38:16 GMT, Stuart Noble wrote: Mark wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: Got to do a fair bit of pointing soon, I've also seen a sort of sealant gun for mortar http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd140/p51065 Are these any good? Bit wary after spending money on a Durgun which was useless (I know its for a different application). video of someone using a mortar Gun its ok with Lime, but Christ it would be an unimaginable mess with cement mortar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgjxCcQ020M That was certainly my experience Would you care to elaborate for folk like myself who don't know why? Well, I haven't tried one, so I can only guess, but I can't imagine mortar being sufficiently fluid to flow through the device. Imagine trying to operate it full of dry sand for starters -- I wouldn't expect that to work. If you make the sand damp, it's even less fluid (i.e. you need wet sand to make a sand-castle). If you add more water (ignoring for the moment that it will be wrong proportion for a mortar), then squeezing it will just squeeze out the excess water, as sand doesn't actually dissolve in water. So I'm left asking myself how on earth it could work? Maybe if you mixed your mortar with ultra-fine sandpit sand? -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , dave writes: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:38:16 GMT, Stuart Noble wrote: Mark wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: Got to do a fair bit of pointing soon, I've also seen a sort of sealant gun for mortar http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd140/p51065 Are these any good? Bit wary after spending money on a Durgun which was useless (I know its for a different application). video of someone using a mortar Gun its ok with Lime, but Christ it would be an unimaginable mess with cement mortar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgjxCcQ020M That was certainly my experience Would you care to elaborate for folk like myself who don't know why? Well, I haven't tried one, so I can only guess, but I can't imagine mortar being sufficiently fluid to flow through the device. Imagine trying to operate it full of dry sand for starters -- I wouldn't expect that to work. If you make the sand damp, it's even less fluid (i.e. you need wet sand to make a sand-castle). If you add more water (ignoring for the moment that it will be wrong proportion for a mortar), then squeezing it will just squeeze out the excess water, as sand doesn't actually dissolve in water. So I'm left asking myself how on earth it could work? Maybe if you mixed your mortar with ultra-fine sandpit sand? I have tried one, and it progressively compacted the solids as you would expect. IMO the only things suitable for such a device would be those that normally come in a cartridge anyway, and they would be too sticky to load manually. |
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Stuart Noble coughed up some electrons that declared:
I have tried one, and it progressively compacted the solids as you would expect. IMO the only things suitable for such a device would be those that normally come in a cartridge anyway, and they would be too sticky to load manually. I had a long look at those on the internet - I was wondering the same. Good to have confirmation. Gun delivery is certainly a good idea in principle - being able to inject a fillet sized stripe direct to where it's needed without faffing. But AFAICS, the only way this is actually going to work with with a pump and a specially forumalated mix. Some sort of electric gun (even something with a small battery drill on the back) and a worm drive pump might work - thought I'd seen something like that somewhere... Tim |
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So I'm left asking myself how on earth it could work? Maybe if you mixed your mortar with ultra-fine sandpit sand? -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] See http://www.pointmaster.co.uk/how_to.html |
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Michael Shergold wrote:
So I'm left asking myself how on earth it could work? Maybe if you mixed your mortar with ultra-fine sandpit sand? -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] See http://www.pointmaster.co.uk/how_to.html yes as i said originally, the mortar mix is far far too wet, so it comes out like Diarrhea, it will get all over the face of the bricks and will look like a dogs breakfast done by an amateur. and note they don't show it being used to actually do any pointing. |
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Mark wrote:
Michael Shergold wrote: So I'm left asking myself how on earth it could work? Maybe if you mixed your mortar with ultra-fine sandpit sand? -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] See http://www.pointmaster.co.uk/how_to.html yes as i said originally, the mortar mix is far far too wet, so it comes out like Diarrhea, it will get all over the face of the bricks and will look like a dogs breakfast done by an amateur. and note they don't show it being used to actually do any pointing. The one I used was the cartridge type. This looks slightly more promising, if only as a way of doing the vertical bits. I've rigged up various aids for that but still end up using fingers. That bricklayer's flick whereby the right amount miraculously lands exactly where you want it is a source of wonder to me. Maybe the consistency/flow thing is all about the plasticiser, a mousse type mix that flows easily without needing too much water |
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