Anyone here done this? Since the BBQ season is now upon us and we're doing
some work round the house and I was thinking of building a BBQ, but wifey
suggested one of those dome oven things... Which I quite fancy myself.

But there's not a lot online about building one though - at least not
that half an hour with google found me last night. A few books on the
subject that get varied reviews and one site with a description making
one out of standard red bricks and another out of clay..

I suspect it's not rocket science - I can get bricks or clay and fashion
it into the corner I want to put it, just wondering if anyones actually
done it with any hints & tips..

Cheers,

Gordon

On 4 May, 15:46, Gordon Henderson wrote:
Anyone here done this? Since the BBQ season is now upon us and we're doing
some work round the house and I was thinking of building a BBQ, but wifey
suggested one of those dome oven things... Which I quite fancy myself.

But there's not a lot online about building one though - at least not
that half an hour with google found me last night. A few books on the
subject that get varied reviews and one site with a description making
one out of standard red bricks and another out of clay..

I suspect it's not rocket science - I can get bricks or clay and fashion
it into the corner I want to put it, just wondering if anyones actually
done it with any hints & tips..

Cheers,

Gordon

well I've not done it but suspect you'd need either wood and warming
up time a plenty or be making pizzas for man and beast to make it
worthwhile - must take ages to get all the thermal mass up to a pizza
cooking 250degC?

Did see some "wide mouthed" chimeneas (sp?) a while back that claimed
able to be cooked in/on?

cheers
jim

Gordon Henderson wrote:
Anyone here done this? Since the BBQ season is now upon us and we're
doing some work round the house and I was thinking of building a BBQ,
but wifey suggested one of those dome oven things... Which I quite
fancy myself.

But there's not a lot online about building one though - at least not
that half an hour with google found me last night. A few books on the
subject that get varied reviews and one site with a description making
one out of standard red bricks and another out of clay..

I suspect it's not rocket science - I can get bricks or clay and
fashion it into the corner I want to put it, just wondering if
anyones actually done it with any hints & tips..

I've seen it done & eaten the pizza! It seemed to be a very basic
structure.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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jim wrote:
On 4 May, 15:46, Gordon Henderson wrote:
Anyone here done this? Since the BBQ season is now upon us and we're doing
some work round the house and I was thinking of building a BBQ, but wifey
suggested one of those dome oven things... Which I quite fancy myself.

But there's not a lot online about building one though - at least not
that half an hour with google found me last night. A few books on the
subject that get varied reviews and one site with a description making
one out of standard red bricks and another out of clay..

I suspect it's not rocket science - I can get bricks or clay and fashion
it into the corner I want to put it, just wondering if anyones actually
done it with any hints & tips..

Cheers,

Gordon

well I've not done it but suspect you'd need either wood and warming
up time a plenty or be making pizzas for man and beast to make it
worthwhile - must take ages to get all the thermal mass up to a pizza
cooking 250degC?

Indeed they do - that's not an issue for me - you make it whole day
thing. Fir it up in the morning for a few hours, pizza lunch, bake break,
cook stew that sort of thing...

Did see some "wide mouthed" chimeneas (sp?) a while back that claimed
able to be cooked in/on?

No better/worse than a BBWQ by the looks of it ...

Gordon

Gordon Henderson wrote:

I suspect it's not rocket science - I can get bricks or clay and fashion
it into the corner I want to put it, just wondering if anyones actually
done it with any hints & tips..

We have two at the farm. Both were original to the house and are built
on the wall facing the access road. We're moving and rebuilding one at
present. There's more to it than slapping some clay/bricks around.

The oven itself is either a cast iron construction, which is built into
a brick framework or a turtle shaped construction in refractory brick.

Here's how to do it with refractory brick:

http://web.tiscali.it/spirbo/ilfornoalegna/

Look at "La Realizzazione" to see how to do it.

I don't think you're going to get one of the cast-iron shells in the UK
or be able to afford to import one. They make a better job IMO since
they have the doors, control of inlet and exhaust gasses and are simple
to install (place one on the reinforced concrete base then build over it
as is shown in the guide above).

On 5 May, 12:55, (Steve Firth) wrote:

I don't think you're going to get one of the cast-iron shells in the UK
or be able to afford to import one. They make a better job IMO since
they have the doors, control of inlet and exhaust gasses and are simple
to install (place one on the reinforced concrete base then build over it
as is shown in the guide above).

out of interest how much are they?

you may well be surprised at the reasonable costs of groupage
transport...

jim

jim wrote:

On 5 May, 12:55, (Steve Firth) wrote:

I don't think you're going to get one of the cast-iron shells in the UK
or be able to afford to import one. They make a better job IMO since
they have the doors, control of inlet and exhaust gasses and are simple
to install (place one on the reinforced concrete base then build over it
as is shown in the guide above).

out of interest how much are they?

I'll have to ask someone. "Haggle" is the way that such things are
bought. Italian businesses are famous for not giving prices until a man
has been to your home, measured up and done a lot of sighing and
hand-waving. Almost all businesses mark their wares "Chiedi un
Preventivo" or "Call for a quote".

Here are some links:

http://www.materia.biz/ephrem.html
http://www.caminetti.it/files/forni.htm

Jings, that last one had some prices. It looks like they start at about
EUR 300 - which to all intents is £300 currently. However that website
is for a company in L'Aquila which is (a) close to the farm and (b)
where the earthquake hit so I don't know if their business is back to
normal yet.

At leas you can see a good range of ovens (sing. forno, pl forni) there.

It's this type: http://www.caminetti.it/forni/specialpizza.htm

that I was thinking of. As you can see it says that the thermal
insulation is of high quality and the day after they have been fired the
internal temperature will still be 250C.


you may well be surprised at the reasonable costs of groupage
transport...

Hmm, we've been shipping in produce from Italy. "****ed off by how much
it costs" is more like it. At least £150 per pallet, which can be
between 25 and 50% of the value of goods on the pallet.

On 5 May, 15:44, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:
On 5 May, 12:55, (Steve Firth) wrote:

I don't think you're going to get one of the cast-iron shells in the UK
or be able to afford to import one. They make a better job IMO since
they have the doors, control of inlet and exhaust gasses and are simple
to install (place one on the reinforced concrete base then build over it
as is shown in the guide above).

out of interest how much are they?

I'll have to ask someone. "Haggle" is the way that such things are
bought. Italian businesses are famous for not giving prices until a man
has been to your home, measured up and done a lot of sighing and
hand-waving. Almost all businesses mark their wares "Chiedi un
Preventivo" or "Call for a quote".

Here are some links:

http://www.materia.biz/ephrem.htmlht...iles/forni.htm

Jings, that last one had some prices. It looks like they start at about
EUR 300 - which to all intents is £300 currently. However that website
is for a company in L'Aquila which is (a) close to the farm and (b)
where the earthquake hit so I don't know if their business is back to
normal yet.

At leas you can see a good range of ovens (sing. forno, pl forni) there.

It's this type:http://www.caminetti.it/forni/specialpizza.htm

that I was thinking of. As you can see it says that the thermal
insulation is of high quality and the day after they have been fired the
internal temperature will still be 250C.

you may well be surprised at the reasonable costs of groupage
transport...

Hmm, we've been shipping in produce from Italy. "****ed off by how much
it costs" is more like it. At least £150 per pallet, which can be
between 25 and 50% of the value of goods on the pallet.

tried a quote for a full 20ft/20T container??
used to send these all the time to the Med (and further than Italy
technically)- approx £900 excluding transport at their end, but
including transport here.....

jim wrote:

tried a quote for a full 20ft/20T container??

I don't need something that size.

used to send these all the time to the Med (and further than Italy
technically)- approx £900 excluding transport at their end, but
including transport here.....

Fine if the business one is doing is more than a few pallets at a time.

On 9 May, 17:47, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:
tried a quote for a full 20ft/20T container??

I don't need something that size.

used to send these all the time to the Med (and further than Italy
technically)- approx £900 excluding transport at their end, but
including transport here.....

Fine if the business one is doing is more than a few pallets at a time.

.......but if it's only cheap stuff (hence your wince re shipping
costs) why not bring it in bulk - it's only say 7 pallets to your
break even point - plus you get the extra security of your own
box.....maybe an extra discount from supplier? better still get them
to quote you for delivery "CIF "your place"" and save yourself some of
the grief - maybe they have a tame freight forwarder already with
better prices than you can get?

anyhow I'm sure you've got it covered

cheers
jim

jim wrote:

Fine if the business one is doing is more than a few pallets at a time.

......but if it's only cheap stuff (hence your wince re shipping
costs) why not bring it in bulk - it's only say 7 pallets to your
break even point - plus you get the extra security of your own
box.....maybe an extra discount from supplier? better still get them
to quote you for delivery "CIF "your place"" and save yourself some of
the grief - maybe they have a tame freight forwarder already with
better prices than you can get?

anyhow I'm sure you've got it covered

I can't handle a container. We don't have room for a container delivery,
nor can I afford the capital cost of filling one up. I'd also have to
arrange for a number of collections in different locations in Italy or
ship from those small suppliers to one central location. It's a useful
idea but not for me right now.

You're in about the same position as someone saying "If you filled up a
supertanker you'd get your fuel shipped cheaper" as far as I'm
concerned.

On 9 May, 21:32, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:
Fine if the business one is doing is more than a few pallets at a time.

......but if it's only cheap stuff (hence your wince re shipping
costs) why not bring it in bulk - it's only say 7 pallets to your
break even point - plus you get the extra security of your own
box.....maybe an extra discount from supplier? better still get them
to quote you for delivery "CIF "your place"" and save yourself some of
the grief - maybe they have a tame freight forwarder already with
better prices than you can get?

anyhow I'm sure you've got it covered

I can't handle a container. We don't have room for a container delivery,
nor can I afford the capital cost of filling one up. I'd also have to
arrange for a number of collections in different locations in Italy or
ship from those small suppliers to one central location. It's a useful
idea but not for me right now.

then groupage it is then! :)

You're in about the same position as someone saying "If you filled up a
supertanker you'd get your fuel shipped cheaper" as far as I'm
concerned.

except that fuel would definitely be worth bothering with :)
jim

On 9 May, 21:32, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:
Fine if the business one is doing is more than a few pallets at a time.

......but if it's only cheap stuff (hence your wince re shipping
costs) why not bring it in bulk - it's only say 7 pallets to your
break even point - plus you get the extra security of your own
box.....maybe an extra discount from supplier? better still get them
to quote you for delivery "CIF "your place"" and save yourself some of
the grief - maybe they have a tame freight forwarder already with
better prices than you can get?

anyhow I'm sure you've got it covered

I can't handle a container. We don't have room for a container delivery,
nor can I afford the capital cost of filling one up. I'd also have to
arrange for a number of collections in different locations in Italy or
ship from those small suppliers to one central location. It's a useful
idea but not for me right now.

You're in about the same position as someone saying "If you filled up a
supertanker you'd get your fuel shipped cheaper" as far as I'm
concerned.

you could also explore using freight forwarders at both ends - one to
receive your goods from around italy and load into your box, then
another in UK to receive and unload?
I expect a freight forwarder (specialising in Italy maybe) with proper
connections would be able to arrange all this with a known (to them)
partner at the other end i.e. a "one stop shop" jobby?

cheers
jim

jim wrote:


you could also explore using freight forwarders at both ends - one to
receive your goods from around italy and load into your box, then
another in UK to receive and unload?
I expect a freight forwarder (specialising in Italy maybe) with proper
connections would be able to arrange all this with a known (to them)
partner at the other end i.e. a "one stop shop" jobby?

They work for free do they?

On 10 May, 15:21, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:

you could also explore using freight forwarders at both ends - one to
receive your goods from around italy and load into your box, then
another in UK to receive and unload?
I expect a freight forwarder (specialising in Italy maybe) with proper
connections would be able to arrange all this with a known (to them)
partner at the other end i.e. a "one stop shop" jobby?

They work for free do they?

erm... do you?

20T X 150 = 3000 less cost of box say 1000 = 2000 to break even with
your current situation - bet someone would be interested ...bet you
know better somehow....

anyhow that's the end of my free impartial advice on this one

you're welcome

cheers
Jim

jim wrote:

On 10 May, 15:21, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:

you could also explore using freight forwarders at both ends - one to
receive your goods from around italy and load into your box, then
another in UK to receive and unload?
I expect a freight forwarder (specialising in Italy maybe) with proper
connections would be able to arrange all this with a known (to them)
partner at the other end i.e. a "one stop shop" jobby?

They work for free do they?

erm... do you?

No. But that's not relevant.

20T X 150 = 3000 less cost of box say 1000 = 2000 to break even with
your current situation - bet someone would be interested ...bet you
know better somehow....

Well unlike you I know what I have to buy, how much I can afford, how
much capital I have, how the goods have to be stored, the sort of market
etc. So I know considerably better than you in this instance, yes.

anyhow that's the end of my free impartial advice on this one

It was worth what I paid for it.

Phrases about grandmothers and eggs came to mind.

On 10 May, 22:50, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:
On 10 May, 15:21, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:

you could also explore using freight forwarders at both ends - one to
receive your goods from around italy and load into your box, then
another in UK to receive and unload?
I expect a freight forwarder (specialising in Italy maybe) with proper
connections would be able to arrange all this with a known (to them)
partner at the other end i.e. a "one stop shop" jobby?

They work for free do they?

erm... do you?

No. But that's not relevant.

whatever - I was just pointing out the stupidity of your question

20T X 150 = 3000 less cost of box say 1000 = 2000 to break even with
your current situation - bet someone would be interested ...bet you
know better somehow....

Well unlike you I know what I have to buy, how much I can afford, how
much capital I have, how the goods have to be stored, the sort of market
etc. So I know considerably better than you in this instance, yes.

yawn yes yes of course you do it's your business isn't it??!! about
which you haven't said anything xcept "low value", and low quantities
& presumably low sales potential, otherwise Rodney we'd be
millionaires instead of moaning about freight rates for shifting 1
pallet from Italy....

Phrases about grandmothers and eggs came to mind.

and similarly I expect if there's anything in it it'll suddenly become
*your* latest great idea

ATB
Jim

jim wrote:

On 10 May, 22:50, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:
On 10 May, 15:21, (Steve Firth) wrote:
jim wrote:
[snip]

They work for free do they?

erm... do you?

No. But that's not relevant.

whatever - I was just pointing out the stupidity of your question

sigh And I was pointing out the stupidity of your answer. One can make
use of any number of convenient business arrangements for shipping and
forwarding, but either they cost too much per unit in freight charges
or, if one gets the unit shippign costs down then one has to pay someone
for storage, breaking down the delivery and onward shipping. One also
has to put up with making use of warehouse staff who don't have an
interest in the goods beind shipped and who will damage those by heavy
handling or simply not know whwn they receive a picking list waht to
pick because they are unfamiliar with the product.

Been there done that, had to pay for disgruntled customers, lost stock,
spoiled goods etc.

[snip]

Well unlike you I know what I have to buy, how much I can afford, how
much capital I have, how the goods have to be stored, the sort of market
etc. So I know considerably better than you in this instance, yes.

yawn yes yes of course you do it's your business isn't it??!!

Indeed, which explains why what you are talking about has been
considered, tried and doesn't work for me.

about which you haven't said anything xcept "low value", and low
quantities & presumably low sales potential, otherwise Rodney we'd be
millionaires instead of moaning about freight rates for shifting 1 pallet
from Italy....

gasp You don't say. Coming next, night follows day. Water discovered
to be wet.

Phrases about grandmothers and eggs came to mind.

and similarly I expect if there's anything in it it'll suddenly become
*your* latest great idea

You may want to see someone about your issues. You're losing your rag
because I'm not falling at your feet and declaring you to be a genius
for suggesting something that has been tried and found wanting. If I was
shipping in cheap crap from China and selling it on in bulk with a 500%
mark-up your suggestion *might* work. For me it's useless.

On 11 May, 10:56, (Steve Firth) wrote:

snip obvious stuff

then one has to pay someone
for storage

breaking down the delivery ??
eh? your stuff is on pallets isn't it?

and onward shipping. er.. yes?


One also
has to put up with making use of warehouse staff who don't have an
interest in the goods beind shipped and who will damage those by heavy
handling or simply not know whwn they receive a picking list waht to
pick because they are unfamiliar with the product.

despite obvious "what's the point bothering to help this person"
thoughts

how is what you describe different from what happens with groupage?

what picking list? your goods are on pallets aren't they? who is
breaking your pallets and picking things???

snip
You may want to see someone about your issues. You're losing your rag
because I'm not falling at your feet and declaring you to be a genius
for suggesting something that has been tried and found wanting.
snip

eh??
In general it seems you give yourself too much credit :))

If you spent more time working (and thinking) at it and less time
posting so prolifically on all manner of newsgroups (and usually
moaning) - you might be a bit better at it.....

happy retirement
JIm

jim wrote:

On 11 May, 10:56, (Steve Firth) wrote:
[snip]

breaking down the delivery ??
eh? your stuff is on pallets isn't it?

Yes. That's how it arrives.

and onward shipping. er.. yes?

Err no.

[snip]

despite obvious "what's the point bothering to help this person"
thoughts

You seem to mistake me for someone who wanted the "help" that you are
offering.

how is what you describe different from what happens with groupage?

Because it's not groupage.

what picking list? your goods are on pallets aren't they?

That's how they arrive

who is breaking your pallets and picking things???

At the moment members of my family.

So, you made some incorrect assumptions and gave me "advice" based on
those assumptions.

snip
You may want to see someone about your issues. You're losing your rag
because I'm not falling at your feet and declaring you to be a genius
for suggesting something that has been tried and found wanting.
snip

eh??
In general it seems you give yourself too much credit :))

If you spent more time working (and thinking) at it and less time
posting so prolifically on all manner of newsgroups (and usually
moaning) - you might be a bit better at it.....

Ah, again you're an expert on how hard I work are you? And I see you're
trying the line of "you post to Usenet, so do I, therefore you're a lazy
*******". Can you see where that breaks down?

But thanks for proving your credentials as yet another armchair expert.