Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner.
Who was asking how to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings.
I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these
people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....84bcd7f?hl=en#

wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner.
Who was asking how to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings.
I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these
people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....84bcd7f?hl=en#

Don't wish to upset any applecarts or anything, but I've been in the
building game in one form or another for 25 years and I've never heard of a
'real merchants' neither.

And neither has yell.com, or google for that matter

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

wrote:

I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these
people now.

You think people were a bit unfair as well? ok that's nice.

He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....84bcd7f?hl=en#

Erm, why are you posting a link to a thread that is still live?


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John.

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Phil L wrote:
wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner.
Who was asking how to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings.
I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these
people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....84bcd7f?hl=en#

Don't wish to upset any applecarts or anything, but I've been in the
building game in one form or another for 25 years and I've never heard of a
'real merchants' neither.

And neither has yell.com, or google for that matter

What Mark means ( and most readers would realise this) is a real
plumbers merchant compared to a typical DIY shed or indeed the general
builders merchants who in my area don't seem to serve the plumbers needs
very well.

Bob

wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner.
Who was asking how to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings.
I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these
people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

Just to clear this up;

You suggested I go to a real merchant and ask for a 'green' olive. This
sounded like a wind up to me, similar to 'tartan paint' & a 'long wait'.
'Green Olive' as in something you eat or drop into a Martini.

I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that you thought it a good idea to encourage
me to go to a plumbers merchant, ask for a 'green olive' and be ridiculed by
them.

There are people around here who would go out of their way to
embarrass/denigrate others. It makes you kinda wary.

So, if there is such a thing as a 'green' olive in plumbing terms, 'green'
meaning "not fully developed or perfected in growth or condition" - IOW
perhaps not properly hardened - then I publicly apologise to you and thank
you for your help.

I have only heard the phrase 'green olive' in connection with fruit.

For the record I buy all my plumbing stuff from a local independent plumbers
merchant rather than online/shed. They are featured on my web site.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:40:30 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

I have only heard the phrase 'green olive' in connection with fruit.

For the record I buy all my plumbing stuff from a local independent plumbers
merchant rather than online/shed. They are featured on my web site.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

Never heard of getting green olives from plumber's merchants either. I'd
have lumped it in with the long weight school of apprentice rite-of-passge
prank.

And I do have a little stock of 3/4" olives that fit 22mm compression
fittings in my van. Bought from BES, but if I were desperate I'd get some
from a PM ... but I'd expect a long weight too ;-)


--
John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk

Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down

Phil L wrote:
wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner.
Who was asking how to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings.
I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these
people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....84bcd7f?hl=en#

Don't wish to upset any applecarts or anything, but I've been in the
building game in one form or another for 25 years and I've never
heard of a 'real merchants' neither.

And neither has yell.com, or google for that matter

Phil L,

Then you have not lived Phil :-)

Within a 12 mile radius of where I reside, there are around 5 independant
plumbers merchants (not including the Plumb Center or PTS) who literally
will sell anything (in the plumbing range) from an olive to a complete
central heating system (either in bulk or small quantities), and their staff
are extremely knowledgable and helpful along with good, competative pricing
policy - and they each seem to have specialties in different fields.

Unbeliever

Unbeliever wrote:
Phil L wrote:
wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner.
Who was asking how to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings.
I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of
these people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....84bcd7f?hl=en#

Don't wish to upset any applecarts or anything, but I've been in the
building game in one form or another for 25 years and I've never
heard of a 'real merchants' neither.

And neither has yell.com, or google for that matter

Phil L,

Then you have not lived Phil :-)

Within a 12 mile radius of where I reside, there are around 5
independant plumbers merchants (not including the Plumb Center or
PTS) who literally will sell anything (in the plumbing range) from
an olive to a complete central heating system (either in bulk or
small quantities), and their staff are extremely knowledgable and
helpful along with good, competative pricing policy - and they each
seem to have specialties in different fields.
Unbeliever

I too have half a dozen decent plumbers merchants within a few miles of my
house.
The OP said 'real merchants'....I now realise he meant to say, 'real
plumbers merchants', as opposed to handymans outlets and homebase etc, but
it's not much use him moaning now, seeing as it was his mistake in the first
place.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:40:30 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner. Who was asking how
to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings. I used to think people were a bit
unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

Just to clear this up;

You suggested I go to a real merchant and ask for a 'green' olive. This
sounded like a wind up to me, similar to 'tartan paint' & a 'long wait'.
'Green Olive' as in something you eat or drop into a Martini.

I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that you thought it a good idea to
encourage me to go to a plumbers merchant, ask for a 'green olive' and
be ridiculed by them.

There are people around here who would go out of their way to
embarrass/denigrate others. It makes you kinda wary.

So, if there is such a thing as a 'green' olive in plumbing terms,
'green' meaning "not fully developed or perfected in growth or
condition" - IOW perhaps not properly hardened - then I publicly
apologise to you and thank you for your help.

I have only heard the phrase 'green olive' in connection with fruit.

For the record I buy all my plumbing stuff from a local independent
plumbers merchant rather than online/shed. They are featured on my web
site.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

I too have never heard of a green olive (in the context of plumbing!).

I would and have asked for 3/4" olives and got them.





--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:40:30 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner. Who was asking how
to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings. I used to think people were a bit
unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

Just to clear this up;

You suggested I go to a real merchant and ask for a 'green' olive. This
sounded like a wind up to me, similar to 'tartan paint' & a 'long wait'.
'Green Olive' as in something you eat or drop into a Martini.

I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that you thought it a good idea to
encourage me to go to a plumbers merchant, ask for a 'green olive' and
be ridiculed by them.

There are people around here who would go out of their way to
embarrass/denigrate others. It makes you kinda wary.

So, if there is such a thing as a 'green' olive in plumbing terms,
'green' meaning "not fully developed or perfected in growth or
condition" - IOW perhaps not properly hardened - then I publicly
apologise to you and thank you for your help.

I have only heard the phrase 'green olive' in connection with fruit.

For the record I buy all my plumbing stuff from a local independent
plumbers merchant rather than online/shed. They are featured on my web
site.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

I too have never heard of a green olive (in the context of plumbing!).

I would and have asked for 3/4" olives and got them.


I'm not a plumber but yes, I've heard of green olives. A while ago, but I'm
sure I recall a plumber telling me that they are used for matching
metric/imperial fittings/pipe. There's a short mention of them here though
http://www.screwfix.com/talk/thread.jspa?threadID=553 see 4th from bottom.

Neil wrote:
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:40:30 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner. Who was asking how
to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings. I used to think people were a bit
unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.
Just to clear this up;

You suggested I go to a real merchant and ask for a 'green' olive. This
sounded like a wind up to me, similar to 'tartan paint' & a 'long wait'.
'Green Olive' as in something you eat or drop into a Martini.

I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that you thought it a good idea to
encourage me to go to a plumbers merchant, ask for a 'green olive' and
be ridiculed by them.

There are people around here who would go out of their way to
embarrass/denigrate others. It makes you kinda wary.

So, if there is such a thing as a 'green' olive in plumbing terms,
'green' meaning "not fully developed or perfected in growth or
condition" - IOW perhaps not properly hardened - then I publicly
apologise to you and thank you for your help.

I have only heard the phrase 'green olive' in connection with fruit.

For the record I buy all my plumbing stuff from a local independent
plumbers merchant rather than online/shed. They are featured on my web
site.

Sorry if I misunderstood.
I too have never heard of a green olive (in the context of plumbing!).

I would and have asked for 3/4" olives and got them.


I'm not a plumber but yes, I've heard of green olives. A while ago, but I'm
sure I recall a plumber telling me that they are used for matching
metric/imperial fittings/pipe. There's a short mention of them here though
http://www.screwfix.com/talk/thread.jspa?threadID=553 see 4th from bottom.

I think you'll find that if you read the adjacent posts in that thread,
they are on about the edible variety as well...

David

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:39:31 GMT, YAPH wrote:


And I do have a little stock of 3/4" olives that fit 22mm compression
fittings in my van. Bought from BES, but if I were desperate I'd get some
from a PM ... but I'd expect a long weight too ;-)

Next time you go can you get me a bucket of blue steam pse.

Derek

On 31 Dec, 15:53, Derek Geldard wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:39:31 GMT, YAPH wrote:
And I do have a little stock of 3/4" olives that fit 22mm compression
fittings in my van. Bought from BES, but if I were desperate I'd get some
from a PM ... but I'd expect a long weight too ;-)

Next time you go can you get me a bucket of blue steam pse.

Derek

They're known as green olives because they are .....err green!
Presumably so you do'nt confuse them with standard 22mm olives.
Allan

The Medway Handyman wrote:
wrote:
Here`s what you get for trying to help a beginner.
Who was asking how to join 3/4" copper to 22mm fittings.
I used to think people were a bit unfair on him.Well,I`m one of these
people now.
He won`t know what a real merchant is as he won`t go into them to be
embarrassed when the counter guy asks what he wants as he obviously
hasn`t a clue.

Just to clear this up;

You suggested I go to a real merchant and ask for a 'green' olive. This
sounded like a wind up to me, similar to 'tartan paint' & a 'long wait'.
'Green Olive' as in something you eat or drop into a Martini.

I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that you thought it a good idea to encourage
me to go to a plumbers merchant, ask for a 'green olive' and be ridiculed by
them.

There are people around here who would go out of their way to
embarrass/denigrate others. It makes you kinda wary.

So, if there is such a thing as a 'green' olive in plumbing terms, 'green'
meaning "not fully developed or perfected in growth or condition" - IOW
perhaps not properly hardened - then I publicly apologise to you and thank
you for your help.

I have only heard the phrase 'green olive' in connection with fruit.

For the record I buy all my plumbing stuff from a local independent plumbers
merchant rather than online/shed. They are featured on my web site.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

Don't worry Dave, It is not a pi88 take. I've tended to refer to them as
3/4" conversion olives in the past but they do have a dab of green
marker on them. I used loads of them when I moved into my current house
(in 1982) as I was re-plumbing on a very tight budget and wanted to
re-use pipe when I could. I'm still there and no leaks so they do work.
BTW they convert 3/4 pipe to fit a 22mm fitting not the other way round.

Good Luck

Bob

In article ,
Phil L wrote:
I too have half a dozen decent plumbers merchants within a few miles of
my house. The OP said 'real merchants'....I now realise he meant to
say, 'real plumbers merchants', as opposed to handymans outlets and
homebase etc, but it's not much use him moaning now, seeing as it was
his mistake in the first place.

I thought Dave's 'tartan paint' bit quite apt for reel merchants.

--
*If at first you do succeed, try not to look too astonished.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:26:18 -0800, Allan Mac wrote:

They're known as green olives because they are .....err green!
Presumably so you do'nt confuse them with standard 22mm olives.

Mine are, er, not green. They're a shiny coppery brown colour, same as
regular 22mm olives (but thicker: if I get them mixed up I just try them
on a bit of pipe - 22mm olives on 22mm pipe: snug; 3/4" on 22mm: wobbly;
22mm on 3/4 pipe: no go)

--
John Stumbles

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On 1 Jan,
John Stumbles wrote:

regular 22mm olives (but thicker: if I get them mixed up I just try them
on a bit of pipe - 22mm olives on 22mm pipe: snug; 3/4" on 22mm: wobbly;
22mm on 3/4 pipe: no go)

Isn't 3/4 pipe slightly smaller than 22mm?



3/4 * 25.4mm = 19.05mm


mark

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:32:34 -0000, "mark"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
On 1 Jan,
John Stumbles wrote:

regular 22mm olives (but thicker: if I get them mixed up I just try them
on a bit of pipe - 22mm olives on 22mm pipe: snug; 3/4" on 22mm: wobbly;
22mm on 3/4 pipe: no go)

Isn't 3/4 pipe slightly smaller than 22mm?



3/4 * 25.4mm = 19.05mm

Imperial size pipe is measured by its bore (the hole down the middle),
whereas metric is measured by its outside diameter.

The bore is much more relevant for calculations of water flow. The
outside diameter is relevant to the size of the pipe clips to use. :-)

--
Frank Erskine

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:17:51 +0000, me9 wrote:

On 1 Jan,
John Stumbles wrote:

regular 22mm olives (but thicker: if I get them mixed up I just try them
on a bit of pipe - 22mm olives on 22mm pipe: snug; 3/4" on 22mm: wobbly;
22mm on 3/4 pipe: no go)

Isn't 3/4 pipe slightly smaller than 22mm?

D'oh!

Normal 22mm olive on old 3/4" imperial pipe = wobbly
3/4" conversion olive on 22mm pipe = no-go.

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John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk

A stitch in time saves nine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.