I read on BoilerJuice.com that electricity is now cheaper than oil for
home heating.

Comments?

(Oil price estimate today: 53.90 pence per litre for 10000 litres.)

MM

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:47:08 +0100, MM wrote:

I read on BoilerJuice.com that electricity is now cheaper than oil for
home heating.

Comments?

(Oil price estimate today: 53.90 pence per litre for 10000 litres.)

Paid 48.85 last week just before a 2.5p price rise was applied (+ 5% VAT).

It's close, burn a litre of kero in and hour you get about 10kw of energy.
So divide the p/l price by 10 for the cost/kwhr but that does not take
into account boiler effciency or rather lack off...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:01:27 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:47:08 +0100, MM wrote:

I read on BoilerJuice.com that electricity is now cheaper than oil for
home heating.

Comments?

(Oil price estimate today: 53.90 pence per litre for 10000 litres.)

Paid 48.85 last week just before a 2.5p price rise was applied (+ 5% VAT).

It's close, burn a litre of kero in and hour you get about 10kw of energy.
So divide the p/l price by 10 for the cost/kwhr but that does not take
into account boiler effciency or rather lack off...

Thing is, the lecky companies have just increased their prices, so
they are likely to remain the same for the foreseeable future. There
would be a major political outcry if the companies increased the
prices yet again, after the 12/14/17% increases. However, I reckon
that heating oil is the Cinderella fuel that no one cares about. One
never sees headlines about the massive hike in home heating costs with
this fuel as one sees with gas and electricity. And so I firmly
believe the oil price is likely to just keep on rising. And if the
dollar still stays weak, then oil will soon become so exorbitant a
luxury that the government will have a real crisis on its hands. I
expect right now there are thousands of pensioners and others on low
wages or on benefits who are borderline hypothermia cases already,
especially as this winter has been (and continues to be) so miserable
and cold.

I have decamped to my computer room, normally the smallest bedroom for
families with a young child. But it costs a lot less to heat a box
room with a fan heater than a relatively massive sittting room. At the
moment I'm keeping nice and warm on around 8p an hour (thermostat on
fan heater), plus the heat from the computer and UPS. Tomorrow, one of
the computers is going to go, and I'll bring my bed in here as well.

MM

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:38:53 +0100, MM wrote:

It's close, burn a litre of kero in and hour you get about 10kw of
energy. So divide the p/l price by 10 for the cost/kwhr but that does
not take into account boiler effciency or rather lack off...

Thing is, the lecky companies have just increased their prices, so
they are likely to remain the same for the foreseeable future.

Possibly, but I'm only paying 8.415p/unit for leccy, so with oil a
5p+/unit, not taking into account boiler inefficiency, the gap isn't very
big.

However, I reckon that heating oil is the Cinderella fuel that no one
cares about.

Well no one uses it for heating do they? I wonder what the percentages
are between gas, electric, solid and oil for space heating are.

One never sees headlines about the massive hike in home heating costs
with this fuel as one sees with gas and electricity.

This is true, I've had 4 deliveries of 2000l of oil since Jan 2007, each
time the price has been significantly higher than the last:

Jan 2007 28.12
Jun 2007 30.25 7% rise
Dec 2007 40.59 34% rise
Apr 2008 48.85 20% rise

Overall a 73% rise in just over a year. So all you lot on mains gas
squealing about a 20% rise, think again.

oil will soon become so exorbitant a luxury that the government will
have a real crisis on its hands.

With diesel now hitting 115 to 120p/l and petrol about 6p lower there is
going to be an helluva a pressure upwards on prices for everything. I hope
they are thinking about it, they "delayed" the 2p/l duty hike on road
fuels due on 1st April in the budget but it's going to take more than that
to ease the pressure.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.net...
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:38:53 +0100, MM wrote:

It's close, burn a litre of kero in and hour you get about 10kw of
energy. So divide the p/l price by 10 for the cost/kwhr but that does
not take into account boiler effciency or rather lack off...

Thing is, the lecky companies have just increased their prices, so
they are likely to remain the same for the foreseeable future.

Possibly, but I'm only paying 8.415p/unit for leccy, so with oil a
5p+/unit, not taking into account boiler inefficiency, the gap isn't very
big.

However, I reckon that heating oil is the Cinderella fuel that no one
cares about.

Well no one uses it for heating do they? I wonder what the percentages
are between gas, electric, solid and oil for space heating are.

One never sees headlines about the massive hike in home heating costs
with this fuel as one sees with gas and electricity.

This is true, I've had 4 deliveries of 2000l of oil since Jan 2007, each
time the price has been significantly higher than the last:

Jan 2007 28.12
Jun 2007 30.25 7% rise
Dec 2007 40.59 34% rise
Apr 2008 48.85 20% rise

Overall a 73% rise in just over a year. So all you lot on mains gas
squealing about a 20% rise, think again.

oil will soon become so exorbitant a luxury that the government will
have a real crisis on its hands.

With diesel now hitting 115 to 120p/l and petrol about 6p lower there is
going to be an helluva a pressure upwards on prices for everything. I hope
they are thinking about it, they "delayed" the 2p/l duty hike on road
fuels due on 1st April in the budget but it's going to take more than that
to ease the pressure.

When we installed an oil fired Stanley around 1997 our first fill of oil
was 9.5p p/l around a £110 for the tankfill!! so that makes 550% increase
in 11 years **** me that's hyperinflation!

Des

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:11:53 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

Well no one uses it for heating do they?

Eh? (Splutter!)

Only 1.5 million households in the UK do!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008...rss&feed=money

MM

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:53:49 +0100, "Dieseldes"
wrote:


"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ill.net...
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:38:53 +0100, MM wrote:

It's close, burn a litre of kero in and hour you get about 10kw of
energy. So divide the p/l price by 10 for the cost/kwhr but that does
not take into account boiler effciency or rather lack off...

Thing is, the lecky companies have just increased their prices, so
they are likely to remain the same for the foreseeable future.

Possibly, but I'm only paying 8.415p/unit for leccy, so with oil a
5p+/unit, not taking into account boiler inefficiency, the gap isn't very
big.

However, I reckon that heating oil is the Cinderella fuel that no one
cares about.

Well no one uses it for heating do they? I wonder what the percentages
are between gas, electric, solid and oil for space heating are.

One never sees headlines about the massive hike in home heating costs
with this fuel as one sees with gas and electricity.

This is true, I've had 4 deliveries of 2000l of oil since Jan 2007, each
time the price has been significantly higher than the last:

Jan 2007 28.12
Jun 2007 30.25 7% rise
Dec 2007 40.59 34% rise
Apr 2008 48.85 20% rise

Overall a 73% rise in just over a year. So all you lot on mains gas
squealing about a 20% rise, think again.

oil will soon become so exorbitant a luxury that the government will
have a real crisis on its hands.

With diesel now hitting 115 to 120p/l and petrol about 6p lower there is
going to be an helluva a pressure upwards on prices for everything. I hope
they are thinking about it, they "delayed" the 2p/l duty hike on road
fuels due on 1st April in the budget but it's going to take more than that
to ease the pressure.

When we installed an oil fired Stanley around 1997 our first fill of oil
was 9.5p p/l around a £110 for the tankfill!! so that makes 550% increase
in 11 years **** me that's hyperinflation!

Yep, and one of the neighbours said to me recently they'd just filled
their tank at 50p a litre and the driver said the industry reckoned it
would be a pound a litre by 2009. The drivers fear for their jobs as
customers drop oil heating like a hot potato. Competition won't cut
it, because the price is largely due to the weak dollar and Opec
refusing to pump any more.

MM

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:53:32 +0100, MM wrote:

Well no one uses it for heating do they?

Eh? (Splutter!)

Only 1.5 million households in the UK do!!

'Twas with tongue in cheek. But how many heat by Gas, 'lectric or solid
Fuel? I've had a bit of a google but not found anything.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008...udget?gusrc=rs
s&feed=money

Inaccurate in a couple of places but what does one expect from a
newspaper.

You can buy oil by installments, it's generally not offered as a method of
payment as the price is, and always has been, rather volatile and not
under control of the seller.

There is no "... 5 per cent duty on home heating oil for the elderly." or
anybody else for that matter. There is no duty on home heating oil full
stop. There is 5% VAT, just like all other domestic fuels.

--
Cheers
Dave.

MM wrote:

oil will soon become so exorbitant a luxury that the government will
have a real crisis on its hands.
With diesel now hitting 115 to 120p/l and petrol about 6p lower there is
going to be an helluva a pressure upwards on prices for everything. I hope
they are thinking about it, they "delayed" the 2p/l duty hike on road
fuels due on 1st April in the budget but it's going to take more than that
to ease the pressure.

When we installed an oil fired Stanley around 1997 our first fill of oil
was 9.5p p/l around a £110 for the tankfill!! so that makes 550% increase
in 11 years **** me that's hyperinflation!

Yep, and one of the neighbours said to me recently they'd just filled
their tank at 50p a litre and the driver said the industry reckoned it
would be a pound a litre by 2009. The drivers fear for their jobs as
customers drop oil heating like a hot potato. Competition won't cut
it, because the price is largely due to the weak dollar and Opec
refusing to pump any more.


All fuels are rising and keeping in step. Coal maybe not. Gas certainly.
Except Uranium of course.


At some point that will, if enough reactors are built, cap electrity
whilst fossil fuel stations are slowly shut down.

Its not really an OPEC issue, its more a dollar issue. Sadly our
mortgage market is in as nearly a bad shape so the pound is tracking the
dollar down.

MM

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:56:48 +0100, MM wrote:

Yep, and one of the neighbours said to me recently they'd just filled
their tank at 50p a litre and the driver said the industry reckoned it
would be a pound a litre by 2009.

If so that has very serious implications on the price of road fuels, think
160+p/l for diesel and 150p+/l for petrol. The base oil cost of all fuels
is pretty much the same, it's the the duty and VAT that give the price
differences.

Such massive increases in such a short time don't let the economy adjust..
Things just stop happening as people and companies can't afford to do them
any longer and make a profit.

150p/l is £6.80/gallon (ish). Some one on or near the minimum wage and
working 15 to 20 miles from home has to work for over an hour just to pay
for the fuel to get there. Another hour to pay the insurance, maintenace
etc. Probably another couple for deductions like Income Tax, NI & Pension.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:56:48 +0100, MM wrote:

Yep, and one of the neighbours said to me recently they'd just filled
their tank at 50p a litre and the driver said the industry reckoned it
would be a pound a litre by 2009.

If so that has very serious implications on the price of road fuels, think
160+p/l for diesel and 150p+/l for petrol. The base oil cost of all fuels
is pretty much the same, it's the the duty and VAT that give the price
differences.

Such massive increases in such a short time don't let the economy adjust.
Things just stop happening as people and companies can't afford to do them
any longer and make a profit.

150p/l is £6.80/gallon (ish). Some one on or near the minimum wage and
working 15 to 20 miles from home has to work for over an hour just to pay
for the fuel to get there. Another hour to pay the insurance, maintenace
etc. Probably another couple for deductions like Income Tax, NI & Pension.

Oh look it's lunchtime and this worker still hasn't earn't any money to
spend on *anything* else. Come the end of the day they might have £25 to
spend on other fuel bills, housing, food...

The drivers fear for their jobs as customers drop oil heating like a hot
potato.

But people still need to keep warm, what are they going to switch to? LPG
has increased, so has electricity. It's probably a fairly safe assumption
that mains gas is not available to the vast majority using oil for
heating. People are caught between a rock and hard place.

Opec refusing to pump any more.

This has me wondering they normally do pump more to control the price. Why
aren't they doing so?

They know, but aren't letting on, that reserves are getting low. Making
money whilst they still can.

They can't pump any more because they are already at full capacity, either
due to the various wars or oil fields running dry.

Its more a case of the fact that te dollar has fallen about 45% against
everything, except the pound,which is more like 30%..that in itself adds
40% to oil prcies..add a little speculation on that, and you get the 2:1
uplift in the last 2 years ..give or take.

However apart from that I agree with your analysis. It's been called a
'perfect storm' of the global economy: at the time when free money
suddenly vanishes - and interest rates should have gone up way before
to limit money supply - we run into a resource crisis as well.

Stagflation is almost inevitable. Governments can only adjust interest
rates and fuel taxation a little to lessen the shock, but in essence its
the end of the beginning of a new world order.

One in which transport and movement of physical goods will dominate
costs far more than it has done for years. Its probably the end of
casual commuting, and the start of teleworking in serious way.

And with luck the end of consumerism as well.

*WE* have no real recourse but coal and nuclear power stations. And to
become quite cunning about transport.

E.g. One thing that would help massively would be - say -
institutionalised hitch hiking. At say 10p a mile. If ou could stick
your thumb out at a bus stop or service station and be guranteed getting
a lift withing 5 minutes, it would be way more efficient than any public
transport scheme ever devised.

Make it politically incorrect to have an empty vehicle: and cut the
number of cars by a factor of around 4.And still carry the same passengers.

The cost benefit of ripping a house guts out an insulating it properly -
possibly with cheap government sponsored loans - would be overwhelming.
So it would happen.

Ditto the costs of repair versus renew.

Dityo recycling versus dumping.

The New Austerity. Frankly, I think people would be HAPPIER.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:19:52 +0100 (BST) Dave Liquorice wrote :
Yep, and one of the neighbours said to me recently they'd just filled
their tank at 50p a litre and the driver said the industry reckoned it
would be a pound a litre by 2009.

If so that has very serious implications on the price of road fuels, think
160+p/l for diesel and 150p+/l for petrol. The base oil cost of all fuels
is pretty much the same, it's the the duty and VAT that give the price
differences.

One of the sort-of consolations of petrol duty being so high is that petrol
prices changes in percentage terms are shielded somewhat from wild swings in
the oil price, unlike in the USA. If the world oil price was to double
again, I think that paying to refill heating tanks would be the least of
people's worries.

Was watching a bit on TV this morning re a new crime, stealing oil from
people's tanks:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm (video clip)

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:19:52 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:56:48 +0100, MM wrote:

Yep, and one of the neighbours said to me recently they'd just filled
their tank at 50p a litre and the driver said the industry reckoned it
would be a pound a litre by 2009.

If so that has very serious implications on the price of road fuels, think
160+p/l for diesel and 150p+/l for petrol. The base oil cost of all fuels
is pretty much the same, it's the the duty and VAT that give the price
differences.

Well, unleaded petrol prices are around 106p per litre already in the
Spalding area.

Such massive increases in such a short time don't let the economy adjust.
Things just stop happening as people and companies can't afford to do them
any longer and make a profit.

Definition of a crisis, no?

150p/l is £6.80/gallon (ish). Some one on or near the minimum wage and
working 15 to 20 miles from home has to work for over an hour just to pay
for the fuel to get there. Another hour to pay the insurance, maintenace
etc. Probably another couple for deductions like Income Tax, NI & Pension.

Maybe the oil companies are deliberately hitting the home heating
victims, who do not have the same degree of exposure as electricity
and gas consumers.


Oh look it's lunchtime and this worker still hasn't earn't any money to
spend on *anything* else. Come the end of the day they might have £25 to
spend on other fuel bills, housing, food...

The drivers fear for their jobs as customers drop oil heating like a hot
potato.

But people still need to keep warm, what are they going to switch to?

Already it's borderline whether electricity is actually cheaper than
oil. In some parts of the country, especially if one is running short
of oil and will soon need another refill, it probably is. So people
will just buy a few cheap fan heaters and use them instead.

LPG
has increased, so has electricity. It's probably a fairly safe assumption
that mains gas is not available to the vast majority using oil for
heating. People are caught between a rock and hard place.

Another definition of a crisis! (Since consumers can do bugger all.)

MM

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Stagflation is almost inevitable.

What IS stagflation? I've heard of the term, but I don't really know
what it is. Give some examples? Thanks.

MM

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

E.g. One thing that would help massively would be - say -
institutionalised hitch hiking. At say 10p a mile. If ou could stick
your thumb out at a bus stop or service station and be guranteed getting
a lift withing 5 minutes, it would be way more efficient than any public
transport scheme ever devised.

In this day and age, you've GOT to be kidding! Who would ever risk
either being picked up by a total stranger, or stopping to pick up a
total stranger? That idea would never fly.

MM

MM wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Stagflation is almost inevitable.

What IS stagflation? I've heard of the term, but I don't really know
what it is. Give some examples? Thanks.

MM
It means inflation and a lowering of economic activity.


Normally inflation is a sign of there being too much money around, so
easy to borrow, so too much money chasing too few goods. Cf teh housing
market recently.

Stagflation is when the prices are not being directed by an increase in
purchasing power and shortages: Just severe shortages. Think Zimbabwe.

Or post war reconstruction periods.

Its a period of 'wealth destruction' as savings/investments become
relatively worthless.

Its happening roght now, although the signs are the banking crisis at
least is drawing to a close. We still have the banks: they just aren't
lending even tho rates have been held down top protect the guilty
(existing mortgagees).

What has gone is the forward pricing on stocks and shares. Unless its
mining or agriculture, there seems little prospect for 'jam tomorrow'
and if there isn't that much jam today, the prices fall.

In short from around 7-8% expectations on investment, people are
settling for 3% or so. With the blue chips unlikely to even return that,
bonds look a good bet, but they are in limited supply as well, so their
return is shrinking.

To put it another way, money, instead of being put into long term
infrastructure that might actually make a decent modest return over a
long period, has been given to people to buy overpriced houses that are
not worth having at the price, and too spend on high street shopping
which simply means throwaway rubbish. They can't pay it back, so the
money has been 'destroyed'.

As consumerism grinds to a halt, those involved in it will have to raise
prices to counter loss of volume. Or sack staff, or both. So less goods,
costing more, and higher unemployment.

And with Nu Laber, higher taxation as well. Because if THEY start laying
off staff, they won't win the next election. Well they wont anyway.
People are finally bored with them.

Want to know what comes next? a Tory government that will rip into the
public sector, and shed staff like there is no tomorrow. Probably with
tax breaks for self employed and small companies, to help re-settle the
almost useless into some form of gainful employment.

Plus a bit of rule alteration to allow entrepreneurs to go it alone.

With luck, a sliding scale of fuel duty to smooth out the bumps in the
upward prices.

But the world just changed. We just haven't gotten used to it yet,
that's all. It will take 15 years to get back on track in the new scenarios.

MM wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

E.g. One thing that would help massively would be - say -
institutionalised hitch hiking. At say 10p a mile. If ou could stick
your thumb out at a bus stop or service station and be guranteed getting
a lift withing 5 minutes, it would be way more efficient than any public
transport scheme ever devised.

In this day and age, you've GOT to be kidding! Who would ever risk
either being picked up by a total stranger, or stopping to pick up a
total stranger? That idea would never fly.


I do.

Last time I picked up a couple off Poles and drove them to their farm
workplace. In a Jag!

I nearly always stop for hitch hikers. Been around the world a bit that
way myself..

Most instructive.

MM

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:30:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

E.g. One thing that would help massively would be - say -
institutionalised hitch hiking. At say 10p a mile. If ou could stick
your thumb out at a bus stop or service station and be guranteed getting
a lift withing 5 minutes, it would be way more efficient than any public
transport scheme ever devised.

In this day and age, you've GOT to be kidding! Who would ever risk
either being picked up by a total stranger, or stopping to pick up a
total stranger? That idea would never fly.


I do.

Last time I picked up a couple off Poles and drove them to their farm
workplace. In a Jag!

I nearly always stop for hitch hikers. Been around the world a bit that
way myself..

Most instructive.

And extremely dangerous!

MM

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:31:36 GMT, Tony Bryer wrote:

Was watching a bit on TV this morning re a new crime, stealing oil from
people's tanks:

It's not new but has increased in recent times as the value of the oil has
increased.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:51:30 +0100, MM wrote:

160+p/l for diesel and 150p+/l for petrol.

Well, unleaded petrol prices are around 106p per litre already in the
Spalding area.

er yeah? So a tank full (say 50l) currently costs £53, at 150p/l your
looking at £75...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Make it politically incorrect to have an empty vehicle: and cut the
number of cars by a factor of around 4.And still carry the same
passengers.

Works for the commuting wage slaves but not for many other workers. I
consider "my patch" to be anywhere from the M8 down to the M62. So even if
it is argued I "should live nearer work", where is nearer work? Where I am
is pretty central to that patch...

The cost benefit of ripping a house guts out an insulating it properly -
possibly with cheap government sponsored loans - would be overwhelming.
So it would happen.

Yes, this is something the government ought to really get to grips with.
They have been doing a little bit there a little bit here for years, the
odd free CFL, HW tank jackets, loft insulation but normally with strings
attached like being on certain benefits or being elderly.

They ought to making sure that *all* the housing stock has decent wall and
loft insulation and draft proof windows/doors.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:51:30 +0100, MM wrote:

160+p/l for diesel and 150p+/l for petrol.

Well, unleaded petrol prices are around 106p per litre already in the
Spalding area.

er yeah? So a tank full (say 50l) currently costs £53, at 150p/l your
looking at £75...

50 litres? Who the hell has a tank that small? I'm already paying £75 to
£90 for a fill depending on when I get to the service station.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Make it politically incorrect to have an empty vehicle: and cut the
number of cars by a factor of around 4.And still carry the same
passengers.

Works for the commuting wage slaves but not for many other workers. I
consider "my patch" to be anywhere from the M8 down to the M62. So even if
it is argued I "should live nearer work", where is nearer work? Where I am
is pretty central to that patch...


Frankly its perfectly possible to hitch the motorway networks. I have
done it.

IF people gave lits as they did in wartime, as a matter of duty and of
course, then it would be a reliable way to get around very fast indeed.



The cost benefit of ripping a house guts out an insulating it properly -
possibly with cheap government sponsored loans - would be overwhelming.
So it would happen.

Yes, this is something the government ought to really get to grips with.
They have been doing a little bit there a little bit here for years, the
odd free CFL, HW tank jackets, loft insulation but normally with strings
attached like being on certain benefits or being elderly.

They ought to making sure that *all* the housing stock has decent wall and
loft insulation and draft proof windows/doors.


They ought not to be making sure, but they could at lest make it less
expensive.

Coercive government is a pain in the arse. Inducive government is much
better.

Help people do the right thing: Not punish them for doing the wrong thing.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:51:30 +0100, MM wrote:

160+p/l for diesel and 150p+/l for petrol.
Well, unleaded petrol prices are around 106p per litre already in the
Spalding area.

er yeah? So a tank full (say 50l) currently costs £53, at 150p/l your
looking at £75...


Yep..I think that is what we are looking at. £100 a tank, rather than
the £5 it used to be 'when I were a lad'.

Hey, a I cynical in thinking that the governments sudden fondness for
nuclear power has something to do with the fact that they stand to make
about £30bn from their stake in British Energy when it gets sold..

EDF or EON?

There's a nice old power station site right where its needed, in
Battersea..plenty of cooling water, and potential Olympic sized heated
swimming pool could be built alongside..as well as heating half of south
London via waste water..Good transport links via the Thames as well.


Hmm.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:32:54 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:

er yeah? So a tank full (say 50l) currently costs £53, at 150p/l your
looking at £75...

50 litres? Who the hell has a tank that small?

It's a tad over 10 gallons... 10 to 15 gallons is the tank size on most
normal "family cars" isn't it?

My motor has 90l (a shade under 20 gallons) tank, good for about 600 miles
full to "running on air".

I'm already paying £75 to £90 for a fill depending on when I get to the
service station.

My average fill up cost this year is £78.46. Min £60.00 Max £95.00..

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:26:58 +0100 (BST) Dave Liquorice wrote :
They ought to making sure that *all* the housing stock has decent wall
and loft insulation and draft proof windows/doors.

For all the protests from solar panel firms, I cannot help but think that the
money paid out in grants might be better employed bringing public buildings
up to scratch, especially those that are heated for extended periods (e.g.
libraries)

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk