"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:48000012@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 00:55:50 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47fff26d@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-11 20:59:39 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

Makita are medium trade at most. Hilti is the real McCoy when it comes
to on site industrial power tank like tools.

Hilti actually offers quite a broad range of tools in the U.S., some
good and some questionable. They haven't differentiated tools at
different levels which is unwise.

Questionable? Matt, you had never heard of them until I told you.

Don't be silly. Home Depot has a large selection of Hilti product and
not all of it is of high quality. Take a look at HD's web site,

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not make
crap.

On 2008-04-12 01:36:27 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:48000012@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 00:55:50 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47fff26d@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-11 20:59:39 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

Makita are medium trade at most. Hilti is the real McCoy when it comes
to on site industrial power tank like tools.

Hilti actually offers quite a broad range of tools in the U.S., some
good and some questionable. They haven't differentiated tools at
different levels which is unwise.

Questionable? Matt, you had never heard of them until I told you.

Don't be silly. Home Depot has a large selection of Hilti product and
not all of it is of high quality. Take a look at HD's web site,

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not make crap.

Take a look at the price ranges for similar tools.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800712c@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 01:36:27 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:48000012@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 00:55:50 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47fff26d@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-11 20:59:39 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
said:

Makita are medium trade at most. Hilti is the real McCoy when it
comes to on site industrial power tank like tools.

Hilti actually offers quite a broad range of tools in the U.S., some
good and some questionable. They haven't differentiated tools at
different levels which is unwise.

Questionable? Matt, you had never heard of them until I told you.

Don't be silly. Home Depot has a large selection of Hilti product and
not all of it is of high quality. Take a look at HD's web site,

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not make
crap.

Take a look at the price ranges for similar tools.

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not make
crap.

On 2008-04-12 10:10:48 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800712c@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 01:36:27 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:48000012@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 00:55:50 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47fff26d@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-11 20:59:39 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

Makita are medium trade at most. Hilti is the real McCoy when it comes
to on site industrial power tank like tools.

Hilti actually offers quite a broad range of tools in the U.S., some
good and some questionable. They haven't differentiated tools at
different levels which is unwise.

Questionable? Matt, you had never heard of them until I told you.

Don't be silly. Home Depot has a large selection of Hilti product and
not all of it is of high quality. Take a look at HD's web site,

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not make crap.

Take a look at the price ranges for similar tools.

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not make crap.

I didn't say that they made crap, I said that not all of it is of high
quality. That is not the same thing. Nobody has suggested that
Hilti's high end industrial products are not of good construction and
durability. Their small cordless tools are nothing special for
example.

There is no one brand or manufacturer within a given category who makes
the best tools of a given type in that category. Experience and many
reviews show that there is not one manuacturer who has best of breed
across the board. This is one reason why TTI's approach with their
Ryobi product line may appear to be attractive at first sight because
of commonality of battery. However, this is a lock in and while they
may be making the best product within their class for one tool type,
they won't be for another and so the customer is disadvantaged in a
different way.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:48009564@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 10:10:48 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800712c@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 01:36:27 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:48000012@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 00:55:50 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47fff26d@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-11 20:59:39 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
said:

Makita are medium trade at most. Hilti is the real McCoy when it
comes to on site industrial power tank like tools.

Hilti actually offers quite a broad range of tools in the U.S., some
good and some questionable. They haven't differentiated tools at
different levels which is unwise.

Questionable? Matt, you had never heard of them until I told you.

Don't be silly. Home Depot has a large selection of Hilti product
and not all of it is of high quality. Take a look at HD's web site,

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not
make crap.

Take a look at the price ranges for similar tools.

Matt, you wouldn't know if it is high quality or not. Hilti do not make
crap.

I didn't say that they made crap, I said that not all of it is of high
quality. That is not the same thing. Nobody has suggested that Hilti's
high end industrial products are not of good construction and durability.
Their small cordless tools are nothing special for example.

I gave an example of their pistol grip battery impact drill. Nothing else
is like it. A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to 6mm. Not
cheap though!!! A true professional tool - and made in China like all other
major tools, except Kress and Sparky.

On 2008-04-12 12:32:56 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

I gave an example of their pistol grip battery impact drill. Nothing
else is like it. A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to
6mm.

This is hardly a reasonable comparison point.


Not cheap though!!! A true professional tool - and made in China like
all other major tools, except Kress and Sparky.

Kress and Sparky are not major tools.

You forgot to mention Festool.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800a5ab@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 12:32:56 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

I gave an example of their pistol grip battery impact drill. Nothing
else is like it. A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to
6mm.

This is hardly a reasonable comparison point.

It is.

Not cheap though!!! A true professional tool - and made in China like
all other major tools, except Kress and Sparky.

Kress and Sparky are not major tools.

They are big enough.

You forgot to mention Festool.

Festool.

On 2008-04-12 14:45:21 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800a5ab@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 12:32:56 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

I gave an example of their pistol grip battery impact drill. Nothing
else is like it. A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to
6mm.

This is hardly a reasonable comparison point.

It is.

Don't be silly. One doesn't buy an SDS drill just to make 6mm holes in brick.



Not cheap though!!! A true professional tool - and made in China like
all other major tools, except Kress and Sparky.

Kress and Sparky are not major tools.

They are big enough.
You forgot to mention Festool.

Festool.

Thank you.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800c017@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 14:45:21 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800a5ab@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 12:32:56 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

I gave an example of their pistol grip battery impact drill. Nothing
else is like it. A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to
6mm.

This is hardly a reasonable comparison point.

It is.

Don't be silly. One doesn't buy an SDS drill just to make 6mm holes in
brick.

Matt, read what I wrote. "A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up
to 6mm". That tells you a lot about this baby. If you don't need to drill
larger than 6.5mm this will sail though brick. You can do larger and it
still perform very well, although not as good as an SDS above 6.5mm. I know
of no battery drill that touches it.

On 2008-04-12 16:24:57 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

"A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to 6mm". That
tells you a lot about this baby. If you don't need to drill larger
than 6.5mm this will sail though brick.

That's a big "if". Most masonry drilling is in 8mm or larger.



You can do larger and it still perform very well, although not as good
as an SDS above 6.5mm. I know of no battery drill that touches it.

You probably don't.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800ddd9@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 16:24:57 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

"A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to 6mm". That tells
you a lot about this baby. If you don't need to drill larger than 6.5mm
this will sail though brick.

That's a big "if".

It is not a big if at all. It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS.

Most masonry drilling is in 8mm or larger.

Most DIY is small stuff. also much pro work is that small depending on what
you do.

You can do larger and it still perform very well, although not as good
as an SDS above 6.5mm. I know of no battery drill that touches it.

You probably don't.

I don't.

On 2008-04-12 17:11:46 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800ddd9@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 16:24:57 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

"A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to 6mm". That
tells you a lot about this baby. If you don't need to drill larger
than 6.5mm this will sail though brick.

That's a big "if".

It is not a big if at all. It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS.

It may be (according to you) but only in circumstances where you
wouldn't use an SDS anyway.


Most masonry drilling is in 8mm or larger.

Most DIY is small stuff.

You fit shelves to walls using 6mm plugs?


also much pro work is that small depending on what you do.

making doll's houses?



You can do larger and it still perform very well, although not as good
as an SDS above 6.5mm. I know of no battery drill that touches it.

You probably don't.

I don't.

Mmmm....

Andy Hall wrote:
SNIP

You fit shelves to walls using 6mm plugs?

As opposed to what? No need for anything larger than that unless you have a
very heavy load.

6mm Fischer plug & a 40 x 4 screw gives an incredibly strong fix - easier to
get a sailor off your sister than pull that out.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On 2008-04-12 18:20:30 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:



Andy Hall wrote:
SNIP

You fit shelves to walls using 6mm plugs?

As opposed to what? No need for anything larger than that unless you have a
very heavy load.

A shelf of books? Several shelves of books?


6mm Fischer plug & a 40 x 4 screw gives an incredibly strong fix

That depends on the load and on the nature of the wall to which it is
being attached.

- easier to
get a sailor off your sister than pull that out.

Sounds like a Chatham phrase.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800e119@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 17:11:46 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800ddd9@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 16:24:57 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

"A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to 6mm". That
tells you a lot about this baby. If you don't need to drill larger
than 6.5mm this will sail though brick.

That's a big "if".

It is not a big if at all. It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS.

It may be (according to you) but only in circumstances where you wouldn't
use an SDS anyway.

Again..."It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS"

On 2008-04-12 19:25:31 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800e119@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 17:11:46 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800ddd9@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 16:24:57 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

"A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to 6mm". That
tells you a lot about this baby. If you don't need to drill larger
than 6.5mm this will sail though brick.

That's a big "if".

It is not a big if at all. It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS.

It may be (according to you) but only in circumstances where you
wouldn't use an SDS anyway.

Again..."It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS"

In the same sense that a steam roller is better than a Ferrari, I
suppose it might be.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-04-12 18:20:30 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:



Andy Hall wrote:
SNIP

You fit shelves to walls using 6mm plugs?

As opposed to what? No need for anything larger than that unless
you have a very heavy load.

A shelf of books? Several shelves of books?

Held by London brackets, cantilever brackets, battens, twin slot steel
uprights & brackets? Any of those can be fixed 100% with 6mm plugs.

6mm Fischer plug & a 40 x 4 screw gives an incredibly strong fix

That depends on the load and on the nature of the wall to which it is
being attached.

Fischer plasterboard plugs are 6mm too - and very strong.

- easier to get a sailor off your sister than pull that out.

Sounds like a Chatham phrase.

The Chatham version is less PC :-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...


Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-04-12 18:20:30 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:



Andy Hall wrote:
SNIP

You fit shelves to walls using 6mm plugs?

As opposed to what? No need for anything larger than that unless
you have a very heavy load.

A shelf of books? Several shelves of books?

Held by London brackets, cantilever brackets, battens, twin slot steel
uprights & brackets? Any of those can be fixed 100% with 6mm plugs.

6mm Fischer plug & a 40 x 4 screw gives an incredibly strong fix

That depends on the load and on the nature of the wall to which it is
being attached.

Fischer plasterboard plugs are 6mm too - and very strong.

But would you hang a 37" lcd using four of them?
That's what the bloke in screwfix was going to do.
I wouldn't.

On 2008-04-12 19:55:42 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:



Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-04-12 18:20:30 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:



Andy Hall wrote:
SNIP

You fit shelves to walls using 6mm plugs?

As opposed to what? No need for anything larger than that unless
you have a very heavy load.

A shelf of books? Several shelves of books?

Held by London brackets, cantilever brackets, battens, twin slot steel
uprights & brackets? Any of those can be fixed 100% with 6mm plugs.

Well they *can*. The question is for how long.



6mm Fischer plug & a 40 x 4 screw gives an incredibly strong fix

That depends on the load and on the nature of the wall to which it is
being attached.

Fischer plasterboard plugs are 6mm too - and very strong.

It would be sheer folly to consider fixing book shelves just to
plasterboard - unless one os looking for repeat business.



- easier to get a sailor off your sister than pull that out.

Sounds like a Chatham phrase.

The Chatham version is less PC :-)

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4801043b@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 19:25:31 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:4800e119@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 17:11:46 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:4800ddd9@qaanaaq...
On 2008-04-12 16:24:57 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
said:

"A mains Makita SDS will not outdo it in brick up to 6mm". That
tells you a lot about this baby. If you don't need to drill larger
than 6.5mm this will sail though brick.

That's a big "if".

It is not a big if at all. It is equal, if not better than a Makita
SDS.

It may be (according to you) but only in circumstances where you
wouldn't use an SDS anyway.

Again..."It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS"

In the same sense that a steam roller is better than a Ferrari, I suppose
it might be.

Again..."It is equal, if not better than a Makita SDS"

Go and buy one, then you will have Hilti manuals under your pillow.

dennis@home wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message ...


Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-04-12 18:20:30 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:



Andy Hall wrote:
SNIP

You fit shelves to walls using 6mm plugs?

As opposed to what? No need for anything larger than that unless
you have a very heavy load.

A shelf of books? Several shelves of books?

Held by London brackets, cantilever brackets, battens, twin slot
steel uprights & brackets? Any of those can be fixed 100% with 6mm
plugs.
6mm Fischer plug & a 40 x 4 screw gives an incredibly strong fix

That depends on the load and on the nature of the wall to which it
is being attached.

Fischer plasterboard plugs are 6mm too - and very strong.

But would you hang a 37" lcd using four of them?
That's what the bloke in screwfix was going to do.
I wouldn't.

See above - unless you have a very heavy load.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257