I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard

geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

That's basically it, yes.

You can certainly DG units made to order - that's how the whole
replacement window industry operates. Thickness varies... best visit a
local double-glazing fabricator where they make the stuff on-site (not
one of the mationals) and talk to them. Prices aren't outlandish.

Dvaid

"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard


Almost any glazing company/glass merchant will make double glazed units in
various thicknesses and any sizes.

Fit as you described

Tony

geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard
Contact a local glazier. Obviously windows break, an they wil be able to
give you caper and vrese on replacement DG glass panles,.

One thing is relevant apart from depth and that is bead - the seals
around DG units are quite wide ..You may end up stripping the window
frames and making new rebates. Unless they are nice hardwood, it may be
just as little work/cost to make new ones..

geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard

Take care. If you have hardwood you might well succeed but from bitter
experience softwood frames do not seal well enough. If you ask unit
makers they will advise you not to try. The units will mist up after a
while even if you paint regularly. I'm now having to think about
replacing all windows for this reason.

Peter Scott

In article ,
Peter Scott wrote:
Take care. If you have hardwood you might well succeed but from bitter
experience softwood frames do not seal well enough. If you ask unit
makers they will advise you not to try. The units will mist up after a
while even if you paint regularly. I'm now having to think about
replacing all windows for this reason.

Sounds to me like the DG units were too rigidly mounted - the timber
frames move with the seasons so the units have to be fixed in such a way
as to allow this.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Peter Scott wrote:


geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard

Take care. If you have hardwood you might well succeed but from bitter
experience softwood frames do not seal well enough. If you ask unit
makers they will advise you not to try. The units will mist up after a
while even if you paint regularly. I'm now having to think about
replacing all windows for this reason.

Peter Scott

Where did he say he wasn't using DG sealed units?

Peter Scott wrote:

Take care. If you have hardwood you might well succeed but from bitter
experience softwood frames do not seal well enough. If you ask unit
makers they will advise you not to try. The units will mist up after a
while even if you paint regularly. I'm now having to think about
replacing all windows for this reason.

The glass is steaming up because of the way the glass was fitted, or it
was poorly made. The units are sealed, and the only way to break that
seal is to separate the glass sections slightly.
Are yours too tight in the frame?
They need a gap all the way round them, otherwise expansion of both the
frame and glass unit may cause one side of the unit to have more
pressure on it than the other, thus causing a twist in the unit, and the
seal breaking down.
Alan.
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geraldthehamster wrote:

I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

Yes, you can do it, though you will need deep rebates in both directions
on the wood frame.
You will need a 3mm gap all the way round the glass (glazers sell ready
made plastic spacer blocks for this). Bed it on silicone, then another
bit of silicone on the front, with, if possible some beading, though
some panel pins would be enough to hold in smaller glass.
The smallest depth of DG unit is 14mm where I get mine from - 4mm glass,
6mm spcer,and 4mm glass. If you have 4mm glass now, then you can see
that your rebates will have to be at least 10mm deeper.
Alan.

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A.Lee wrote:
geraldthehamster wrote:

I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

Yes, you can do it, though you will need deep rebates in both directions
on the wood frame.
You will need a 3mm gap all the way round the glass (glazers sell ready
made plastic spacer blocks for this). Bed it on silicone, then another
bit of silicone on the front, with, if possible some beading, though
some panel pins would be enough to hold in smaller glass.
The smallest depth of DG unit is 14mm where I get mine from - 4mm glass,
6mm spcer,and 4mm glass. If you have 4mm glass now, then you can see
that your rebates will have to be at least 10mm deeper.
Alan.


Stepped DG units only need a shallow rebate but their appearance on the
inside is not to everybody's liking.

On 22 Nov, 22:40, geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard

Basically not possible. DG units too thick, heavy, and have wide seals
which wouldn't be covered by the rebates.
Waste of money too, DG is generally not very cost effective. Plenty of
cheaper alternatives e.g. heavier curtains, 2ary glazing, etc

cheers
Jacob

normanwisdom wrote:
On 22 Nov, 22:40, geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard

Basically not possible

Basically very possible. Magnet used stepped units in their wooden
windows for years


.. DG units too thick, heavy, and have wide seals
which wouldn't be covered by the rebates.


Waste of money too, DG is generally not very cost effective. Plenty of
cheaper alternatives e.g. heavier curtains, 2ary glazing, etc

cheers
Jacob

On Nov 23, 11:05 am, normanwisdom wrote:
On 22 Nov, 22:40, geraldthehamster wrote:

I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard

Basically not possible. DG units too thick, heavy, and have wide seals
which wouldn't be covered by the rebates.

Basically you have no idea. It's not the DG units that are too thick,
the seals on your brain failed and it misted up.

"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?

We did the whole of our house over abou five years, that way we didn't
notice the cost at all. The oldest have been in place for about fifteen
years and there have been no problems at all.

The rooms certainly are more comfortable. Before we had them we used
secondary dg, that was nothing like as effective and it was a real pain
because of dirt and insects getting between the glass panes.

Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

We gave measurements to our local commercial glazier, the factory sealed
units, made to measure, were always ready for collection next day. They were
not expensive but I can't remember actual costs right now, also all our
windows were different sizes. Spouse did the work, occasionally I'd help him
ease a unit into position from inside if he were up a ladder.

The greatest advantage over this system is that you're not cutting down the
light as happens with commercial plastic dg frames. You can do it to your
own timetable and as funds are available. You have to look closely to see
that they're not the original glazing. Also, you end up with several old
panes to use as garden cloches :-)

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

I'm surprised about that - I've been banging on about it for a very long
time :-)

Mary

On Nov 23, 11:05 am, normanwisdom wrote:

Waste of money too, DG is generally not very cost effective.

DIY using a few sealed units in existing frames is a lot different,
cost wise, to having someone in to do "double glazing" and can
certainly be very cost effective.

MBQ

In message , Stuart Noble
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normanwisdom wrote:
On 22 Nov, 22:40, geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard
Basically not possible

Basically very possible. Magnet used stepped units in their wooden
windows for years

Yup, Matthew Marks posted about his experience putting DG units in his
single glazed French windows in this group some time back.

Googling it up - 10 years in fact. Wonder how they held up?

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-...85e38112f685e0
e5/
--
Chris French

Mary Fisher wrote:
"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?

We did the whole of our house over abou five years, that way we didn't
notice the cost at all. The oldest have been in place for about fifteen
years and there have been no problems at all.

The rooms certainly are more comfortable. Before we had them we used
secondary dg, that was nothing like as effective and it was a real pain
because of dirt and insects getting between the glass panes.

Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

We gave measurements to our local commercial glazier, the factory sealed
units, made to measure, were always ready for collection next day. They were
not expensive but I can't remember actual costs right now, also all our
windows were different sizes. Spouse did the work, occasionally I'd help him
ease a unit into position from inside if he were up a ladder.

The greatest advantage over this system is that you're not cutting down the
light as happens with commercial plastic dg frames. You can do it to your
own timetable and as funds are available. You have to look closely to see
that they're not the original glazing. Also, you end up with several old
panes to use as garden cloches :-)
I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

I'm surprised about that - I've been banging on about it for a very long
time :-)

Mary


Hmmm. Interesting. Looks like I might thinkagain about redoing the dg
myself in existing frames. Damn. Means I've got to paint them again.
Fifteen years sounds good. Can I just check. These are softwood, not
hardwood frames you are using?

Peter Scott

In article
,
normanwisdom wrote:
Basically not possible. DG units too thick, heavy, and have wide seals
which wouldn't be covered by the rebates.

Oh dear. I must expect mine to fall out any day now. then. Despite having
lasted for over 15 years.

Waste of money too, DG is generally not very cost effective. Plenty of
cheaper alternatives e.g. heavier curtains, 2ary glazing, etc

Personally I like to see through windows in the daytime. Night too, often.
And heavy curtains in a kitchen would be a health hazard. Secondary
glazing looks cheap and nasty.

--
*Save a tree, eat a beaver*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Peter Scott" wrote in message
om...


....


Hmmm. Interesting. Looks like I might thinkagain about redoing the dg
myself in existing frames. Damn. Means I've got to paint them again.
Fifteen years sounds good. Can I just check. These are softwood, not
hardwood frames you are using?

All the timber fabric of our house is softwood.

One or two spots in the window frames showed signs of rot when we were
re-glazing them, not really surprising in a 60 year old house which wasn't
well maintained for various reasons. The members were replaced with
softwood, primed and painted. So far they seem to be OK.

It is now :-)

Mary

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
normanwisdom wrote:
Basically not possible. DG units too thick, heavy, and have wide seals
which wouldn't be covered by the rebates.

Oh dear. I must expect mine to fall out any day now. then. Despite having
lasted for over 15 years.

Waste of money too, DG is generally not very cost effective. Plenty of
cheaper alternatives e.g. heavier curtains, 2ary glazing, etc

Personally I like to see through windows in the daytime. Night too, often.
And heavy curtains in a kitchen would be a health hazard. Secondary
glazing looks cheap and nasty.


I was quite impressed with the Everest secondary glazing a neighbour had
done recently. Despite their bad name, it wasn't that expensive, and is
fairly unobtrusive on sliding sashes

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Peter Scott" wrote in message
om...

...

Hmmm. Interesting. Looks like I might thinkagain about redoing the dg
myself in existing frames. Damn. Means I've got to paint them again.
Fifteen years sounds good. Can I just check. These are softwood, not
hardwood frames you are using?

All the timber fabric of our house is softwood.

One or two spots in the window frames showed signs of rot when we were
re-glazing them, not really surprising in a 60 year old house which wasn't
well maintained for various reasons. The members were replaced with
softwood, primed and painted. So far they seem to be OK.

It is now :-)

Mary


Thanks Mary. That's very useful.

Looks like a visit to a local dg supplier. Potentially saved me enough
for a couple of holidays and a new computer.

Peter Scott

chris French wrote:

Yup, Matthew Marks posted about his experience putting DG units in his
single glazed French windows in this group some time back.

Googling it up - 10 years in fact. Wonder how they held up?

But whatever happened to Matthew Marks??

David

TMC wrote:
"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front
of my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had
wondered about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units,
in the same frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the
entire windows replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has
anyone done this? Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in
glazing silicone or similar, put some beading over, and job done?
How thick are today's standard DG units? Can one get them made to
measure? Who makes them, and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard


Almost any glazing company/glass merchant will make double glazed
units in various thicknesses and any sizes.

Fit as you described

Indeedy. My local glass supplier makes them any size you want, next day
service.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

Stuart Noble wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
normanwisdom wrote:
Basically not possible. DG units too thick, heavy, and have wide
seals which wouldn't be covered by the rebates.

Oh dear. I must expect mine to fall out any day now. then. Despite
having lasted for over 15 years.

Waste of money too, DG is generally not very cost effective. Plenty
of cheaper alternatives e.g. heavier curtains, 2ary glazing, etc

Personally I like to see through windows in the daytime. Night too,
often. And heavy curtains in a kitchen would be a health hazard.
Secondary glazing looks cheap and nasty.


I was quite impressed with the Everest secondary glazing a neighbour
had done recently. Despite their bad name, it wasn't that expensive,
and is fairly unobtrusive on sliding sashes

I had Everest secondary glazing installed into our home in about 1983,
(house built 1982), on all windows that were not already D/G'd. To
ensure that the house met the new thermal standards at the time, the
builder had double glazed the south facing back and omitted the north
facing front - Georgian type windows and hence cost-saving to them! The
impact to us were cold rooms and significant moisture threatening to rot
the wooden frames. Cannot recall the cost now but were consistent with
costs for D/G we had to another comparable new home by Anglian a couple
of years earlier.

In all the time they were installed, I had but one problem with a spring
snapping in one unit in the bathroom - i.e. humidity and corrosion - no
other issue. All were functioning well and it hurt me to scrap them this
summer when we replaced all the windows by uPVC D/G by Zenith. The
reason for scrapping was that the sealed units in most windows were not
sealed any mo i.e. misted and a couple of frames were starting to rot
(not on the north facing side of the house).

Oh, I forgot to add age; I'm b*ggered if I want to keep trotting up
ladders every three/ four years to paint timber. Also had the soffits
done.

Anyone want an Ally ladder?

Mary Fisher wrote:
"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front
of my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had
wondered about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units,
in the same frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the
entire windows replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has
anyone done this?


The rooms certainly are more comfortable. Before we had them we used
secondary dg, that was nothing like as effective and it was a real
pain because of dirt and insects getting between the glass panes.

Now you mention it, I recall that, but t'was just once a year thing with
the Hoover.

Our rooms that were involved by the replacements are both warmer and
quieter. The north face of the house (front) faces the road and
now,despite the road being a limited use dead end, we hear less traffic.
On the south facing, our back garden, we hear less birdsong.

another snip

Spouse did the work,
occasionally I'd help him ease a unit into position from inside if he
were up a ladder.

Ecky thump, (thinks: Yorks or Lancs phrase - don't know; plough on) . An
indigenous Yorkshire lass or infected through years of exposure?

In fun

In article ,
Lobster wrote:
chris French wrote:

Yup, Matthew Marks posted about his experience putting DG units in his
single glazed French windows in this group some time back.

Googling it up - 10 years in fact. Wonder how they held up?

But whatever happened to Matthew Marks??

If it's the same one, Google shows him still with BBC R&D. Perhaps he just
got his house finished. ;-)

--
*You can't have everything, where would you put it?*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

wrote:
On 23 Nov,
Stuart Noble wrote:

Basically very possible. Magnet used stepped units in their wooden
windows for years

Ahhhh! That's where my old frames came from. Visually awful, replaced
when the seals failed, and water was running down between the panes.

Thankfully, I've not got that T shirt!

"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:


Spouse did the work,
occasionally I'd help him ease a unit into position from inside if he
were up a ladder.

Ecky thump, (thinks: Yorks or Lancs phrase - don't know; plough on) . An
indigenous Yorkshire lass or infected through years of exposure?

In fun

In truth.

Born and bred in Leeds, both of us. Still live in the next parish to where
we were raised. My father's parents, my parents and we were all married at
the church at the bottom of this street, three generations baptised there
too. This house was bought new by my mother's sister and it will be left to
our grandchildren (I'd like to see the ten of them sort out how to use it!)

Mary

geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite large timber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes with double-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?
Would I simply bed the units into the rebate, in glazing silicone or
similar, put some beading over, and job done? How thick are today's
standard DG units? Can one get them made to measure? Who makes them,
and how much do they cost?

I've searched the archives, but couldn't find anything on this.

Regards
Richard
AFAI you can have DG units made with the inner and outer panes of
different size. The outer pane can be the size of the origiak pane ad
the inner a size to fit through the frame. (attempt at ASCII art)

---| Frame
|
-----

| DG panel
|----
| |

I have DH in wooden frames fited in 1998 in a new build and the gap in
the panel is about half of that in a window fitted in a 2003 extension.
BR might determine the gap you need.

Malcolm

Mary Fisher wrote:
"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:


Spouse did the work,
occasionally I'd help him ease a unit into position from inside if
he were up a ladder.

Ecky thump, (thinks: Yorks or Lancs phrase - don't know; plough on)
. An indigenous Yorkshire lass or infected through years of exposure?

In fun

In truth.

Born and bred in Leeds, both of us. Still live in the next parish to
where we were raised. My father's parents, my parents and we were all
married at the church at the bottom of this street, three generations
baptised there too. This house was bought new by my mother's sister
and it will be left to our grandchildren (I'd like to see the ten of
them sort out how to use it!)

Mmm, could be interesting, (your last comment)!

I spent 4 years in Leeds, ('68 to '72 I think). LS2 - there's a clue! I
still have fond memories. I used to sail on the flooded gravel pit at
Pool, spent many a day walking around the reservoirs at Eccup and
adjacent. Also, of course, The Cow and Calf. Still have a friend living
just under that!

Do you recall Whitelocks? Is it still there?

Used to be the only place that sold Scottish & Newcastle No.3. T'was a
wonderful brew that I'd take after having gone to the market on a
Saturday.

I still have some work relationships with the City - University, but
rarely visit - the last occasion was about a year ago when attending a
conference at the University accommodation in Woodhouse.

"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

... This house was bought new by my mother's sister
and it will be left to our grandchildren (I'd like to see the ten of
them sort out how to use it!)

Mmm, could be interesting, (your last comment)!

Yes. They range from 2 to 22.

I spent 4 years in Leeds, ('68 to '72 I think). LS2 - there's a clue! I
still have fond memories. I used to sail on the flooded gravel pit at
Pool, spent many a day walking around the reservoirs at Eccup and
adjacent. Also, of course, The Cow and Calf. Still have a friend living
just under that!

Must be uncomfortable ...

Do you recall Whitelocks? Is it still there?

I used to go in my misspent youth but no longer. I think it's still there,
one of the Tourist Attractions. Hardly ever go into town except the Farmer's
Market once a month. We hate shopping and anyway we have everything we need
and don't want anything more than that.

Used to be the only place that sold Scottish & Newcastle No.3. T'was a
wonderful brew that I'd take after having gone to the market on a
Saturday.

Well yes, when I was that age I knew every pub in West Yorkshire. We change
though, don't we!

I still have some work relationships with the City - University, but
rarely visit - the last occasion was about a year ago when attending a
conference at the University accommodation in Woodhouse.

We're in Chapeltown. The first ten years of my life were spent in Woodhouse,
in the Servias. I went to Meanwood Road School then Allerton High. My
earliest memories are of All Soul's Church (Blackman Lane), Woodhouse Moor
playground, library and fairs. The Parkinson Building inspired me with awe
in those days but later, when I had friends who were using the University,
it just seemed full of scruffy youngsters. You might have been one ... :-)

A son lives up the road, another at Kirkstall. Yet another moves house
frequently (RAF), a daughter in France and another with a farm in Wales
complete the litter. I think they've finished spawning - I hope they have -
but great grandchildren might loom :-(

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:
"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

... This house was bought new by my mother's sister
and it will be left to our grandchildren (I'd like to see the ten of
them sort out how to use it!)

Mmm, could be interesting, (your last comment)!

Yes. They range from 2 to 22.

I spent 4 years in Leeds, ('68 to '72 I think). LS2 - there's a
clue! I still have fond memories. I used to sail on the flooded
gravel pit at Pool, spent many a day walking around the reservoirs
at Eccup and adjacent. Also, of course, The Cow and Calf. Still have
a friend living just under that!

Must be uncomfortable ...

Did you have to take me so literally?

Do you recall Whitelocks? Is it still there?

I used to go in my misspent youth but no longer. I think it's still
there, one of the Tourist Attractions. Hardly ever go into town
except the Farmer's Market once a month. We hate shopping and anyway
we have everything we need and don't want anything more than that.

Used to be the only place that sold Scottish & Newcastle No.3. T'was
a wonderful brew that I'd take after having gone to the market on a
Saturday.

Well yes, when I was that age I knew every pub in West Yorkshire. We
change though, don't we!

Here's a test: what's the name (now or then) of the one at the
crossroads at Poole Bank?

I still have some work relationships with the City - University, but
rarely visit - the last occasion was about a year ago when attending
a conference at the University accommodation in Woodhouse.

We're in Chapeltown. The first ten years of my life were spent in
Woodhouse, in the Servias. I went to Meanwood Road School then
Allerton High. My earliest memories are of All Soul's Church
(Blackman Lane), Woodhouse Moor playground, library and fairs. The
Parkinson Building inspired me with awe in those days but later, when
I had friends who were using the University, it just seemed full of
scruffy youngsters. You might have been one ... :-)

I'll have you know that I was an erudite young person! Well, most of the
time.

A son lives up the road, another at Kirkstall. Yet another moves house
frequently (RAF), a daughter in France and another with a farm in
Wales complete the litter. I think they've finished spawning - I hope
they have - but great grandchildren might loom :-(

Kirstall - if I recall correctly - was where YTV was based. I recall
getting a lift from Jess Yates back to Wales. That was many moons ago!

Where in Wales?

I came from under the gooseberry bush in Bangor and spent my youth in N
Wales and also worked in Mold for a short while later on. I still have a
sailing boat yng Gnonwy, (in Conwy).

'Appended that I was mulling over a pint with a friend that hails from
Leeds "this evening". Curiously, his daughter now lives back in his
former locale and for the past two years he has been Santa at the church
he used to attend as a youngster!

"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:


I spent 4 years in Leeds, ('68 to '72 I think). LS2 - there's a
clue! I still have fond memories. I used to sail on the flooded
gravel pit at Pool, spent many a day walking around the reservoirs
at Eccup and adjacent. Also, of course, The Cow and Calf. Still have
a friend living just under that!

Must be uncomfortable ...

Did you have to take me so literally?

:-) Would you have been able to resist?

Do you recall Whitelocks? Is it still there?

I used to go in my misspent youth but no longer. I think it's still
there, one of the Tourist Attractions. Hardly ever go into town
except the Farmer's Market once a month. We hate shopping and anyway
we have everything we need and don't want anything more than that.

Used to be the only place that sold Scottish & Newcastle No.3. T'was
a wonderful brew that I'd take after having gone to the market on a
Saturday.

Well yes, when I was that age I knew every pub in West Yorkshire. We
change though, don't we!

Here's a test: what's the name (now or then) of the one at the crossroads
at Poole Bank?

Ah, the Dynely Arms. It was gutted by fire and left boarded for a long time,
it's now being restored, sort of, with quite a lot of living accommodation,
flats I think. I remember that one because we once went in the firm's
Transit van and I locked the keys inside (being a blonde airhead). Spouse
went to the back door and turned the handle with such strength that it broke
and gave us access.

I still have some work relationships with the City - University, but
rarely visit - the last occasion was about a year ago when attending
a conference at the University accommodation in Woodhouse.

We're in Chapeltown. The first ten years of my life were spent in
Woodhouse, in the Servias. I went to Meanwood Road School then
Allerton High. My earliest memories are of All Soul's Church
(Blackman Lane), Woodhouse Moor playground, library and fairs. The
Parkinson Building inspired me with awe in those days but later, when
I had friends who were using the University, it just seemed full of
scruffy youngsters. You might have been one ... :-)

I'll have you know that I was an erudite young person! Well, most of the
time.

Oh, so was I, but it doesn't have to go with being scruffy :-)

A son lives up the road, another at Kirkstall. Yet another moves house
frequently (RAF), a daughter in France and another with a farm in
Wales complete the litter. I think they've finished spawning - I hope
they have - but great grandchildren might loom :-(

Kirstall - if I recall correctly - was where YTV was based. I recall
getting a lift from Jess Yates back to Wales. That was many moons ago!

It was, and is, on Kirkstall Road but not at Kirkstall itself. No 3 son's
company is just behind it. No idea who Jes Yates is, I assume a tv
personality but we haven't a tv - although we do make things for YTV. The
latest was a lot of big candles for yet another version of Pride and
Prejudice, to be called Lost in Austen, it will largely be filmed at
Harewood House I gather.

Where in Wales?

Ffaldybrenin.

I came from under the gooseberry bush in Bangor and spent my youth in N
Wales and also worked in Mold for a short while later on. I still have a
sailing boat yng Gnonwy, (in Conwy).

Bryn Awel (the farm) is much further south, Carmarthenshire.

'Appended that I was mulling over a pint with a friend that hails from
Leeds "this evening". Curiously, his daughter now lives back in his former
locale and for the past two years he has been Santa at the church he used
to attend as a youngster!

Spouse was asked to do that once but Fisher men don't do happy. He sat in
his grot with his usual scowl (hidden mostly by his big, natural beard) and
the kiddies stopped dead at the entrance. Eventually I signalled to him to
make a welcoming gensture with his arms, which had a better response.

He hasn't been asked since :-) To his relief I might add - the costume was
made for a very tall, very fat man. Spouse is 5'5" and 9 stones dripping
wet.

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:

company is just behind it. No idea who Jes Yates is, I assume a tv
personality but we haven't a tv

Well he was Paula Yates' father, except he wasn't really.

Hope this helps (!)
David

Mary Fisher wrote:
"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
"clot" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:


I spent 4 years in Leeds, ('68 to '72 I think). LS2 - there's a
clue! I still have fond memories. I used to sail on the flooded
gravel pit at Pool, spent many a day walking around the reservoirs
at Eccup and adjacent. Also, of course, The Cow and Calf. Still
have a friend living just under that!

Must be uncomfortable ...

Did you have to take me so literally?

:-) Would you have been able to resist?

Do you recall Whitelocks? Is it still there?

I used to go in my misspent youth but no longer. I think it's still
there, one of the Tourist Attractions. Hardly ever go into town
except the Farmer's Market once a month. We hate shopping and anyway
we have everything we need and don't want anything more than that.

Used to be the only place that sold Scottish & Newcastle No.3.
T'was a wonderful brew that I'd take after having gone to the
market on a Saturday.

Well yes, when I was that age I knew every pub in West Yorkshire.
We change though, don't we!

Here's a test: what's the name (now or then) of the one at the
crossroads at Poole Bank?

Ah, the Dynely Arms.

Thank you. That's put my mind at rest. I've been struggling with its
name for a while.

It was gutted by fire and left boarded for a
long time, it's now being restored, sort of, with quite a lot of
living accommodation, flats I think. I remember that one because we
once went in the firm's Transit van and I locked the keys inside
(being a blonde airhead). Spouse went to the back door and turned the
handle with such strength that it broke and gave us access.

I still have some work relationships with the City - University,
but rarely visit - the last occasion was about a year ago when
attending a conference at the University accommodation in
Woodhouse.

We're in Chapeltown. The first ten years of my life were spent in
Woodhouse, in the Servias. I went to Meanwood Road School then
Allerton High. My earliest memories are of All Soul's Church
(Blackman Lane), Woodhouse Moor playground, library and fairs. The
Parkinson Building inspired me with awe in those days but later,
when I had friends who were using the University, it just seemed
full of scruffy youngsters. You might have been one ... :-)

I'll have you know that I was an erudite young person! Well, most of
the time.

Oh, so was I, but it doesn't have to go with being scruffy :-)

A son lives up the road, another at Kirkstall. Yet another moves
house frequently (RAF), a daughter in France and another with a
farm in Wales complete the litter. I think they've finished
spawning - I hope they have - but great grandchildren might loom :-(

Kirstall - if I recall correctly - was where YTV was based. I recall
getting a lift from Jess Yates back to Wales. That was many moons
ago!

It was, and is, on Kirkstall Road but not at Kirkstall itself. No 3
son's company is just behind it. No idea who Jes Yates is, I assume a
tv personality but we haven't a tv - although we do make things for
YTV. The latest was a lot of big candles for yet another version of
Pride and Prejudice, to be called Lost in Austen, it will largely be
filmed at Harewood House I gather.

He was.


Where in Wales?

Ffaldybrenin.

I came from under the gooseberry bush in Bangor and spent my youth
in N Wales and also worked in Mold for a short while later on. I
still have a sailing boat yng Gnonwy, (in Conwy).

Bryn Awel (the farm) is much further south, Carmarthenshire.

'Appended that I was mulling over a pint with a friend that hails
from Leeds "this evening". Curiously, his daughter now lives back in
his former locale and for the past two years he has been Santa at
the church he used to attend as a youngster!

Spouse was asked to do that once but Fisher men don't do happy. He
sat in his grot with his usual scowl (hidden mostly by his big,
natural beard) and the kiddies stopped dead at the entrance.
Eventually I signalled to him to make a welcoming gensture with his
arms, which had a better response.

That made me smile!

He hasn't been asked since :-) To his relief I might add - the
costume was made for a very tall, very fat man. Spouse is 5'5" and 9
stones dripping wet.

Mary

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

company is just behind it. No idea who Jes Yates is, I assume a tv
personality but we haven't a tv

Well he was Paula Yates' father, except he wasn't really.

Hope this helps (!)

I've heard of Paula but can't recall a face ... oh, something to do with the
Africa man?

Mary

"clot" wrote in message
...

....


Well yes, when I was that age I knew every pub in West Yorkshire.
We change though, don't we!

Here's a test: what's the name (now or then) of the one at the
crossroads at Poole Bank?

Ah, the Dynely Arms.

Thank you. That's put my mind at rest. I've been struggling with its name
for a while.

Ah, so it wasn't a test of my knowledge, more of yours :-)

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:
"clot" wrote in message
...

...


Well yes, when I was that age I knew every pub in West Yorkshire.
We change though, don't we!

Here's a test: what's the name (now or then) of the one at the
crossroads at Poole Bank?

Ah, the Dynely Arms.

Thank you. That's put my mind at rest. I've been struggling with its
name for a while.

Ah, so it wasn't a test of my knowledge, more of yours :-)


Indeed so!

On Nov 23, 7:37 pm, Lobster wrote:
chris French wrote:

Yup, Matthew Marks posted about his experience putting DG units in his
single glazed French windows in this group some time back.

Googling it up - 10 years in fact. Wonder how they held up?

But whatever happened to Matthew Marks??


He went the same way as Luke N Johns.

On 22 Nov, 22:40, geraldthehamster wrote:
I have some quite largetimber-framed casement windows in the front of
my house. As the frames are in serviceable condition, I had wondered
about replacing the glass panes withdouble-glazed units, in the same
frames, as a less expensive alternative to having the entire windows
replaced. I think the frames are deep enough. Has anyone done this?

Yes. several problems but chief one is depth of glass rebates in frame
which used to be less than now. Easier for fixed (non-opening) panes
which effectively have deeper glass rebates, but more difficult for
opening sashes. Mostly I made new opening sashes.

Problem you will encounter in (no particular order).

Single glazed glass held in place by hardened putty makes the whole
frame rigid. That helps a softwood frame (which of course is normally
weaker than a hardwood one) stay square. But DG panels should not be
fixed in rigidly otherwise leaks will occur and contamination of the
gap will occur (condensation etc). That means you need to take care
that softwood sash frames are well protected from damp (ie well
painted and primed) and corner joints are rigid.

There is a conflict between optimum spacing for heat insulation and
sound insulation. Regret I can't recall the exact figures, but IIRC
the nos are around 15mm for heat and 20mm for sound.. Wider gaps
encourage convection currents in the trapped air which aid heat
dissipation. In any case few single glazed sashes will be thick
enough to allow more than 4-6-4 DG (ie 4mm glass+6mm gap+4mm glass).
IIRC the norm is now 4-14-4 and new timber frames have been thickened
to allow for that. I changed SG to 4-6-4 DG in the smallest room
(typical 600 wide window with horizontal opening storm vent at top) a
while ago in winter and the increase in comfort level was noticeable
immediately and substantial. The room was no longer draughty and the
radiator was turned down a notch. Possibly there wouldn't have been
much further improvement with 4-14-4DG?

Some posters here question the economic justification of DG. That's
is very possibly correct, prospective life of the units possibly being
short maybe only 10 to 30 years? And I have little doubt that energy
used in production is a goodly proportion of potential energy saved.
However IMHO the increase in comfort levels from draughts caused by SG
more than makes up. Further DG is paid for at today's prices and all
I can see is energy prices escalating in the years ahead at a far
greater pace than inflation, so future heating bills have been capped
to some extent.

DG units are easy to obtain, just ring round glaziers in the yellow
pages. Get several quotes: I found prices can differ widely. You
will find some will take your order but contract out the work to a
different firm with the fabrication machinery. Avoid them - ask if
the units are made on their premises. Also because of FENSA and the
building regs monopoly they have, ask for DG units without date
stamping (usually fabricators print the date made in dot matrix style
on the separating plastic inside the gap. That will hinder future
home inspectors demanding a FENSA certificate.

Fixing the units: Sideways (in the plane of the glass) there must be a
3mm gap between unit and the timber frame. My glaziier gave me a
bundle of hard black wedges about 3mm x 8 x 20 for this (use c. 400mm
apart). The unit must NOT be set in hard putty. SFAIUI the corrrect
stuff for a timber frame is a non-setting butyl material. The only
make I know of is Flexistrip made by Hodgson Sealants, Beverly (tel no
in 2001 was 01482-868321) [I've just checked they now have a web
site http://www.hodgsonsealants.com/produ...ips_tapes.php]
but they only sell in boxfuls of c 20 reels - ie gbp70 up. You may be
able to find local DG suppliers have stocks of this or an alternative
- you could try asking your DG panel fabricator for a fixing &
supplier recommendation. Flexistrip comes in reels of double sided
"tape" style, about 1.5mm thick and 12mm wide and is incredibly sticky
(IIRC different thicknesses and widths are available). Just unroll it
into the rebate then carefully drop the DG unit in. Once the DG unit
and flexistrip make contact you will not be able to separate them
cleanly. If the fit is not accurate & you have to redo the job then
the Flexistrip is wasted. You can't fudge an adjustment or retry as
mucked up flexistrip seal shows through at DG edges & looks awful.
You must take out the panel and reapply the Flexistrip.

Finish by sealing the DG panel in with glazing bead NOT putty.
Finally plug any small gaps with a mastik sealant such as a bathroom
sealant then prime and paint thoroughly.

If fitting an obscured unit in a bathroom etc then fit with the normal
plain glass side of the DG outwards. That makes for more reflections,
improving the obscuration effect.

HTH

Good luck