About Us

Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

We offer a free and no obligation design / quotation service for
electric underfloor heating.

So please feel free to forward any details and we will provide a
design / quotation within 24 hours.

We currently have some special offers, to celebrate the introduction
of Elektra underfloor heating products to the UK.

Elektra have operated in Europe for many years

We can email you a copy of our price list / order form, special offer
promotions and Equiry form, if you so desire

If you would like to receive some literature on our products including
a manual on how to install heating mat or cable, please advise us of
your name and address and we will post details to you.

We thank you for taking the time to read this message

Why not check out our products ar www.pedarsonheating.com, where you
will soon be able to buy online.

Warm Regards,

Peter Richardson
Director

Pedarson Heating
Pedarson House
1 Post Office Lane
Old Martlesham
Woodbridge
Suffolk
IP12 4RQ

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a waste
of money to run

Peter Richardson wrote:

Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

We offer a free and no obligation design / quotation service for
electric underfloor heating.

So please feel free to forward any details and we will provide a
design / quotation within 24 hours.

We currently have some special offers, to celebrate the introduction
of Elektra underfloor heating products to the UK.

Elektra have operated in Europe for many years

We can email you a copy of our price list / order form, special offer
promotions and Equiry form, if you so desire

If you would like to receive some literature on our products including
a manual on how to install heating mat or cable, please advise us of
your name and address and we will post details to you.

We thank you for taking the time to read this message

Why not check out our products ar www.pedarsonheating.com, where you
will soon be able to buy online.

Warm Regards,

Peter Richardson
Director

Pedarson Heating
Pedarson House
1 Post Office Lane
Old Martlesham
Woodbridge
Suffolk
IP12 4RQ

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

In article , Peter Richardson
writes
Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here again. If you
fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

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Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use it so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is justified.

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In article , Peter Richardson
writes
Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here
again. If you
fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

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Please email me details to do the same - 7 bloody articles
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www.pedarsonheating.com
Please email me details to do the same - 7 bloody articles

If you go to newnet.co.uk and do a search on the domain it will give you
his regular email address (I posted it in uk.media.dvd I think) - with
any luck, mentioning that on here a few times will get him spammed to
hell and back :-p

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"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , Peter Richardson
writes
Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here again.
If you
fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

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That's a bit strong isn't it?

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"IMM" wrote in message
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"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , Peter
Richardson
writes
Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here
again.
If you
fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

Abuse report sent to your site host (webfusion) and news provider
(claranet).

That's a bit strong isn't it?

Not for seven deliberate advertisements without even reference to the fact
in the title, it's not.

Don't ever recall having seen the OP contribute to any discussions here in
the past.

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email me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

In message , IMM
writes

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , Peter Richardson
writes
Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here again.
If you
fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

Abuse report sent to your site host (webfusion) and news provider
(claranet).

That's a bit strong isn't it?

It's commercial posting

there were 7 sent which I saw

You've been in uk-diy long enough to know that commercial posting gets a
robust response
--
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"IMM" wrote in message
...

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , Peter
Richardson
writes
Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here
again.
If you
fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

Abuse report sent to your site host (webfusion) and news provider
(claranet).

That's a bit strong isn't it?

Would it be to strong if I started telling everyone that you should shop at
only one store in every single reply I made to the group ?

It's commercial advertising and the poster knows it. If they can't afford
to advertise properly, then the company stinks and the product is probably
over priced cheap, nasty gunk.

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To all,

I apologise for posting details of the underfloor heating we sell.

I didn't realise it would cause so much upset.

I personally and my company are against spam, and do not and will not
ever send unsolicited emails.

Contary to some of the messages, we do advertise properly (see google)
and our products are very high quality.

Sorry, once again. We will never post adverts again.

Thank You,

Peter Richardson

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , Peter
Richardson
writes
Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here
again.
If you
fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

Abuse report sent to your site host (webfusion) and news provider
(claranet).

That's a bit strong isn't it?

It's commercial posting

there were 7 sent which I saw

You've been in uk-diy long enough to know that commercial posting gets a
robust response

A robust response does not mean reporting someone to their ISP. That is a
last resort.

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:34:48 +0100, Peter Richardson
wrote:

I apologise for posting details of the underfloor heating we sell.

I didn't realise it would cause so much upset.

Peter,
For what it is worth (not much) I didn't take exception to your
posting what you did. Okay, so it wasn't of much interest to me, but
it seemed "generally" on topic for this forum. The ones I really have
a problem with are the adverts which are totally unrelated to DIY
matters.

Just as an aside, you could potentially get your message across with
some "free" advertising here if you responded to others, and put a
short description and URL in your signature line. No-one that I'm
aware of objects to these fairly trivial sig lines (so long as they
don't exceed about 4 lines max), and the purpose of this forum is
people helping each other with information.

I'm not sure, but I think you are also okay if someone asks a question
and you respond to say that your company can help with that. Address
the problem but don't turn it into a sales pitch.

Anyway, I know the charter for this group excludes advertising (I
wholly support that) and for persistent offenders it really should be
confronted. First time "offenders" just need a polite reminder and
that was what happened here. No need to feel embarassed!

PoP

In article ,
"IMM" writes:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use it so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is justified.

For someone so keen on high efficiency heating, your sudden defense
of just about the lowest efficiency heating you could use is rather
remarkable.

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"PoP" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:34:48 +0100, Peter Richardson
wrote:

I apologise for posting details of the underfloor heating we sell.

I didn't realise it would cause so much upset.

Peter,
For what it is worth (not much) I didn't take exception to your
posting what you did. Okay, so it wasn't of much interest to me, but
it seemed "generally" on topic for this forum. The ones I really have
a problem with are the adverts which are totally unrelated to DIY
matters.

Just as an aside, you could potentially get your message across with
some "free" advertising here if you responded to others, and put a
short description and URL in your signature line. No-one that I'm
aware of objects to these fairly trivial sig lines (so long as they
don't exceed about 4 lines max), and the purpose of this forum is
people helping each other with information.

I'm not sure, but I think you are also okay if someone asks a question
and you respond to say that your company can help with that. Address
the problem but don't turn it into a sales pitch.

Anyway, I know the charter for this group excludes advertising (I
wholly support that) and for persistent offenders it really should be
confronted. First time "offenders" just need a polite reminder and
that was what happened here. No need to feel embarassed!

A few companies respond here, but don't directly do a sales pitch. It all
amounts to the same thing really. Hepworth respond when they see they can
help with technical matters. No one objects as they merely assist people.
They are respected as they assist people freely.

There have been some threads on UFH heating recently. Any maker assisting
in "objective" clarity, not getting into an argument or not blindly saying
that UFH has no vices when we all know it has, would not be frowned upon.

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IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use it so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is justified.

In a suoer insulated house we would all die from the smell of your farts
long before recouping any financial outlay.

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IMM wrote:

"fred" wrote in message ...

In article , Peter Richardson
writes

Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

Advert snipped

Peter Richardson
Director

email:
Tel: 01394 386164
Fax: 01394 385752
web: www.pedarsonheating.com

Sorry mate, this is a no advertising group, please don't spam here again.

If you

fancy contributing in some other way then you are welcome.

Please see the uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

Abuse report sent to your site host (webfusion) and news provider

(claranet).

That's a bit strong isn't it?

Yeah. Just sign him up for a few pedophile sites and tell the fuzz. :-)

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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"IMM" writes:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Shame that electric underfloor heating is
completely useless and a waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to
make sense as you woud use it so
little. The capital cost then is so low
that the usage is justified.

For someone so keen on high efficiency
heating, your sudden defense
of just about the lowest efficiency heating
you could use is rather remarkable.

This is in a remarkable situation - a superinsulated house. The figures add
up. There will be a long payback period and after that it is "comparatively"
expensive to run compared to a wet UFH system and a gas condensing boiler.
But, as it is used so infrequently the bills will still be very small. Also
with electricity, you don't need an annual service. Services calls when
things brake down, but no service, So it may all equal out over the year.

What you save by not installing a full wet heating system can be put into
the insulation costs.

BTW, is there a dc version of electric UFH, so roof PV cells can be used
directly on the elements with inverters?

While on PV cells. Alternative, with high capital cost, is a normal wet UFH
system, fed from a large thermalstore/heat bank. Use roof PV cells to heat
dc immersion elements in the water store. The thermal store will "store
energy" for use in DHW and UFH.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use it so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is justified.

In a suoer insulated house we would all die from the smell of your farts
long before recouping any financial outlay.

Any figures back your faith?

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IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use it so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is justified.

In a suoer insulated house we would all die from the smell of your farts
long before recouping any financial outlay.

Any figures back your faith?

Sure. I read it in a glossy manufactures brochure somewhere.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a
waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use it
so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is justified.

In a suoer insulated house we would all die from the smell of your farts
long before recouping any financial outlay.

Any figures back your faith?

Sure. I read it in a glossy manufactures brochure somewhere.

I thought so.

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"Peter Richardson" wrote in message
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| Pedarson Heating distributors of Elektra Underfloor Heating

I make that 6 postings, all under different headings, within 5 minutes.

X-Complaints-To:

Mmmm, tempting.

"Pedarson - set fire to your children" does have a certain ring about it,
though.

Owain

"Peter Richardson" wrote in message
...

To all,

I apologise for posting details of the underfloor heating we sell.

I didn't realise it would cause so much upset.

I personally and my company are against spam, and do not and will not
ever send unsolicited emails.

Contary to some of the messages, we do advertise properly (see google)
and our products are very high quality.

Sorry, once again. We will never post adverts again.

Thank You,

Peter Richardson

Unsolicited advertising does, as you've just found out, upset folks. We've
a very good signal-to-noise ratio for posts in this NG (incl spam, trolls
and offensive posting) and we'd really like to keep it that way. Thanks for
the apology though.

As you have noticed, such topics as UF heating do come up from time to
time - if you've got something to contribute then please do! A 4 or 5 line
sig at the end of a useful response is probably as good advertising as you
can get - people will investigate your products if they think that you know
your stuff.

A couple of other inhabitants of this place use similar strategies and
they're generally welcomed - Max Bone and Hepworth Plumbing for example -
mostly because they are able to give useful and informative responses to
questions that people post.

cheers
Richard

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In article ,
"IMM" writes:

BTW, is there a dc version of electric UFH, so roof PV cells can be used
directly on the elements with inverters?

You would be nuts because PV cells are so horribly inefficient.
You would do much better to take the thermal heat from a collector
and use that, with a heat pump if necessary, and a wet UFH system
(possibly the condensor of the heat pump).
I haven't done the calculations, but there may be better sources
to pump heat from that a sunlight collector, which isn't going to
be working all that well just when you need it.

While on PV cells. Alternative, with high capital cost, is a normal wet UFH
system, fed from a large thermalstore/heat bank. Use roof PV cells to heat
dc immersion elements in the water store. The thermal store will "store
energy" for use in DHW and UFH.

Again, avoid conversion of sunlight to electricity. Most of
the Sun's energy is lost at that stage. Collect and use the
heat directly.

--
Andrew Gabriel

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(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

While on PV cells. Alternative, with high capital cost, is a normal wet UFH
system, fed from a large thermalstore/heat bank. Use roof PV cells to heat
dc immersion elements in the water store. The thermal store will "store
energy" for use in DHW and UFH.

Again, avoid conversion of sunlight to electricity. Most of
the Sun's energy is lost at that stage. Collect and use the
heat directly.

According to an opinion piece in New Scientist Shell and BP have
calculated that if you replaced all roofing materials with photovoltaics
at current efficiencies you would, even in cloudy UK, generate more
electricity than we currently use.

http://tinyurl.com/odgx

Though you will need to sign up to their free use period to see it
without a subscription.

Peter

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To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded.
Reverse the Spam and remove to email me.

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"IMM" writes:

BTW, is there a dc version of electric UFH, so roof PV cells can be used
directly on the elements with inverters?

You would be nuts because PV cells are so horribly inefficient.
You would do much better to take the thermal heat from a collector
and use that, with a heat pump if necessary, and a wet UFH system
(possibly the condensor of the heat pump).
I haven't done the calculations, but there may be better sources
to pump heat from that a sunlight collector, which isn't going to
be working all that well just when you need it.

While on PV cells. Alternative, with high capital cost, is a normal wet
UFH
system, fed from a large thermalstore/heat bank. Use roof PV cells to
heat
dc immersion elements in the water store. The thermal store will "store
energy" for use in DHW and UFH.

Again, avoid conversion of sunlight to electricity. Most of
the Sun's energy is lost at that stage. Collect and use the
heat directly.

Best use normal wet solar panels and a large thermal store with "very low"
temp UFH. Thee again a high capital cost. But, using very low temp UFH the
solar panels could heat the UFH on cloudy days.

For a superinsulated house the best is a Mechanical Heat Recovery System,
with the ducts made larger and a use either an electric or coiled wet duct
heater battery. A superinsulated house does not require a full heating
system, so providing heat via a heat/vent duct system makes sense.

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In message , IMM
writes

Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a
waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use it
so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is justified.

In a suoer insulated house we would all die from the smell of your farts
long before recouping any financial outlay.

Any figures back your faith?

Sure. I read it in a glossy manufactures brochure somewhere.

I thought so.

What a waste of irony

--
geoff

In message , Peter
Richardson writes

To all,

I apologise for posting details of the underfloor heating we sell.

I didn't realise it would cause so much upset.

I personally and my company are against spam, and do not and will not
ever send unsolicited emails.

Contary to some of the messages, we do advertise properly (see google)
and our products are very high quality.

Sorry, once again. We will never post adverts again.

One of the rules of this NG which is strongly enforced is NO COMMERCIAL
POSTING.

This is because if it was allowed, this NG would deteriorate into a mass
of adverts even if they were all DIY related.

It wasn't just one advert either, it was seven, so Peter take note, look
before you leap. If you wanted to post an advert, you should have asked
if it was acceptable policy. I hope you understand

Thank you for your apology, and do feel free to contribute in this NG
--
geoff

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes

Shame that electric underfloor heating is completely useless and a
waste
of money to run

In a superinsulated houses it begins to make sense as you woud use
it
so
little. The capital cost then is so low that the usage is
justified.

In a suoer insulated house we would all die from the smell of your
farts
long before recouping any financial outlay.

Any figures back your faith?

Sure. I read it in a glossy manufactures brochure somewhere.

I thought so.

What a waste of irony

Any old irony?

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