for £9.99

Got a lot of punch to it as well.

On 2007-07-05 16:14:09 +0100, "George" said:

for £9.99

Got a lot of punch to it as well.

Is this as it falls apart?

I see that these retailers are in great shape in terms of market share
and business viability.

Top three extend share as grocery growth reaches new highs

http://www.just-food.com/article.aspx?id=98353

and, excitingly, today...

Administration move for Kwik Save

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6273700.stm


(Note to self. Check retail portfolio)

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-05 16:14:09 +0100, "George" said:

for £9.99

Got a lot of punch to it as well.

Is this as it falls apart?

I see that these retailers are in great shape in terms of market share
and business viability.

Top three extend share as grocery growth reaches new highs

http://www.just-food.com/article.aspx?id=98353

and, excitingly, today...

Administration move for Kwik Save

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6273700.stm


(Note to self. Check retail portfolio)




Come now MrHall,one wonders why you even bother to oppose the Aldi brand of
products if you think its naff.

ps whats the marketing statistics go to do with them selling power tools?

On 5 Jul, 16:14, "George" wrote:
for £9.99

Got a lot of punch to it as well.

This appears to be identical to the Axminster own brand one which they
sell for just under £30.

dg

"dg" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 5 Jul, 16:14, "George" wrote:
for £9.99

Got a lot of punch to it as well.

This appears to be identical to the Axminster own brand one which they
sell for just under £30.

dg


This can be said for their biscuit jointer which was the same as the aldi
one when they sold it.

Mines had a lot of use since buying it 2.5 years ago on making picture
frames and is still operable.

George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-05 16:14:09 +0100, "George" said:

for £9.99

Got a lot of punch to it as well.
Is this as it falls apart?

I see that these retailers are in great shape in terms of market share
and business viability.

Top three extend share as grocery growth reaches new highs

http://www.just-food.com/article.aspx?id=98353

and, excitingly, today...

Administration move for Kwik Save

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6273700.stm


(Note to self. Check retail portfolio)




Come now MrHall,one wonders why you even bother to oppose the Aldi brand of
products if you think its naff.

It's pavlovian

ps whats the marketing statistics go to do with them selling power tools?

On 2007-07-05 18:05:04 +0100, "George" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-05 16:14:09 +0100, "George" said:

for £9.99

Got a lot of punch to it as well.

Is this as it falls apart?

I see that these retailers are in great shape in terms of market share
and business viability.

Top three extend share as grocery growth reaches new highs

http://www.just-food.com/article.aspx?id=98353

and, excitingly, today...

Administration move for Kwik Save

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6273700.stm


(Note to self. Check retail portfolio)




Come now MrHall,one wonders why you even bother to oppose the Aldi brand of
products if you think its naff.

I don't. It's just an illustration that it's irrelevant.


ps whats the marketing statistics go to do with them selling power tools?

That illustrates that it's even more irrelevant.

I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.

On 2007-07-05 18:44:56 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

It's pavlovian


Dogs come from breeders.

Andy Hall wrote:


I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.

Shame that. Axminster in Sittingbourne do a blinding cucumber.

Flax seed? WTF?


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?

George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?



M&S wouldn't agree, and they've diversified to the point where no one
knows what they sell

In article ,
George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?

No - only chains.

--
*Be more or less specific *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:


I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.

Shame that. Axminster in Sittingbourne do a blinding cucumber.

Flax seed? WTF?



Linseed, the oil of which you massage lovingly into your worktops when
you're not honing your planes

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 18:44:56 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

It's pavlovian


Dogs come from breeders.


Only pedigree dogs

On 2007-07-05 19:01:33 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:


I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.

Shame that. Axminster in Sittingbourne do a blinding cucumber.

Do you poke them in the eyes of non paying customers? ;-)




Flax seed? WTF?

Low glycaemic load, high dietary fibre, omega-3 oils.

On 2007-07-05 19:31:32 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 18:44:56 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

It's pavlovian


Dogs come from breeders.


Only pedigree dogs

Of course.

On 2007-07-05 19:17:16 +0100, "George" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?

Customer service would be far better if retailers focused on a core
business and did that properly.

To the case in point -


Yesterday I needed a couple of spare parts for a Bosch workshop vacuum
cleaner purchased from them a while ago. I identified the model on
Bosch's web site and quickly found the spare, name and part number from
an exploded diagram.

Knowing that Bosch don't supply direct, but through resellers, I called
up Axminster, spoke to their technical department and asked them to
source the parts for me. They called me back 5 minutes later with
price and delivery. Product was ordered and will be here tomorrow.

If I look on Aldi's site, I don't see the number to call for their
technical department for power tools, nor do I see where to order spare
parts. Based on their marketing information, it appears that their
product managers haven't the feintest idea of what a power tool really
is.

I might just about believe that they could tell me where the cucumbers
are, but could probably not describe the nutrtitional content (or
rather the lack of it) in cornflakes.

On 2007-07-05 19:26:18 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?



M&S wouldn't agree, and they've diversified to the point where no one
knows what they sell

Although under the leadership of Stuart Rose have a much better idea
today than they did a few years back. That is that reasonable to good
quality with focus on customer service sells and at good margins, which
is how it should be.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 19:01:33 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:


I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax
seed, so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling
power tools. Each should stick to its core business and do it
properly.

Shame that. Axminster in Sittingbourne do a blinding cucumber.

Do you poke them in the eyes of non paying customers? ;-)


Flax seed? WTF?

Low glycaemic load, high dietary fibre, omega-3 oils. Oh, I understand
now. A fad.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On 2007-07-05 20:31:37 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:


Flax seed? WTF?

Low glycaemic load, high dietary fibre, omega-3 oils. Oh, I understand
now. A fad.

Nope. One of a number of very useful ways of maintaining good blood
glucose control with minimal medication, which I need to do.

Andy Hall wrote:

On 2007-07-05 19:17:16 +0100, "George" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?

Customer service would be far better if retailers focused on a core
business and did that properly.

To the case in point -


Yesterday I needed a couple of spare parts for a Bosch workshop vacuum
cleaner purchased from them a while ago. I identified the model on
Bosch's web site and quickly found the spare, name and part number from
an exploded diagram.

Knowing that Bosch don't supply direct, but through resellers, I called
up Axminster, spoke to their technical department and asked them to
source the parts for me. They called me back 5 minutes later with
price and delivery. Product was ordered and will be here tomorrow.

If I look on Aldi's site, I don't see the number to call for their
technical department for power tools, nor do I see where to order spare
parts. Based on their marketing information, it appears that their
product managers haven't the feintest idea of what a power tool really
is.

If Aldi were charging Bosch prices for their tools then doubtless they
too could afford all that. BTW you are expecting Aldi in your example to
combine both Bosch AND Axminster organisation and service. So your
comparison is at least doubly unfair.

Peter
--
Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country
www.the-brights.net

On 2007-07-05 20:59:10 +0100, (Peter Ashby) said:

If Aldi were charging Bosch prices for their tools then doubtless they
too could afford all that.

Then they should be, but selling quality products. Either they should
do the job properly or not at all


BTW you are expecting Aldi in your example to
combine both Bosch AND Axminster organisation and service. So your
comparison is at least doubly unfair.

Not at all.

If they are acting 'in-loco' as a manufacturer then they should provide
manufacturer service. As a retailer, they should certainly be
providing support for what they sell.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-05 19:17:16 +0100, "George" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?

Customer service would be far better if retailers focused on a core
business and did that properly.

To the case in point -


Yesterday I needed a couple of spare parts for a Bosch workshop vacuum
cleaner purchased from them a while ago. I identified the model on
Bosch's web site and quickly found the spare, name and part number from an
exploded diagram.

Knowing that Bosch don't supply direct, but through resellers, I called up
Axminster, spoke to their technical department and asked them to source
the parts for me. They called me back 5 minutes later with price and
delivery. Product was ordered and will be here tomorrow.

If I look on Aldi's site, I don't see the number to call for their
technical department for power tools, nor do I see where to order spare
parts.

It is in the box.

On 2007-07-05 22:20:47 +0100, Owain said:

Andy Hall wrote:
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.

But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.


Tesco in Hungary sell car tyres.

Still not a good thing.



Owain

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.

They are expanding quickly - at least in S London. While the smaller UK
chains are in trouble.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 2007-07-06 01:33:31 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.

They are expanding quickly - at least in S London. While the smaller UK
chains are in trouble.

I could imagine that their expansion (although it's 0.1 - 0.2% in 2%
range) would be at the expense of Somerfield and the like; but did you
mean in the sense of opening more stores or more people in them?
Kwiksave have discovered that having/expanding to a lot of stores
doesn't lead to a solid business. If the business model is wrong, you
just go broke faster.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 19:26:18 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop
selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?



M&S wouldn't agree, and they've diversified to the point where no one
knows what they sell

Although under the leadership of Stuart Rose have a much better idea
today than they did a few years back. That is that reasonable to good
quality with focus on customer service sells and at good margins, which
is how it should be.



Their stores still seem like a total jumble to me. One day they'll do a
C&A and realise their sites are worth more than their business.

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
news
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 19:26:18 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop
selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?



M&S wouldn't agree, and they've diversified to the point where no one
knows what they sell

Although under the leadership of Stuart Rose have a much better idea
today than they did a few years back. That is that reasonable to good
quality with focus on customer service sells and at good margins, which
is how it should be.

Their stores still seem like a total jumble to me. One day they'll do a
C&A and realise their sites are worth more than their business.

Matalan saw off C&A from the UK. A home grown company.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-06 01:33:31 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.

They are expanding quickly - at least in S London. While the smaller UK
chains are in trouble.

I could imagine that their expansion (although it's 0.1 - 0.2% in 2%
range) would be at the expense of Somerfield and the like; but did you
mean in the sense of opening more stores or more people in them?
Kwiksave have discovered that having/expanding to a lot of stores
doesn't lead to a solid business. If the business model is wrong, you
just go broke faster.



But Lidl/Aldi are a bit cleverer than Kwiksave. People are doing their
basic shop there and popping into Sainsburys only if they want 15 types
of carrot to choose from

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-05 18:05:04 +0100, "George"
said:

snip
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.


That rational would mean the end of the DIY 'sheds' and their one stop
shopping...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-05 22:20:47 +0100, Owain
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax
seed, so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling
power tools. Each should stick to its core business and do it
properly.

But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.
snip

At one time B&Q only had a 1% market share!

More straw Andy?...

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-06 01:33:31 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.

They are expanding quickly - at least in S London. While the smaller UK
chains are in trouble.

I could imagine that their expansion (although it's 0.1 - 0.2% in 2%
range) would be at the expense of Somerfield and the like; but did you
mean in the sense of opening more stores or more people in them?
Kwiksave have discovered that having/expanding to a lot of stores
doesn't lead to a solid business. If the business model is wrong, you
just go broke faster.



But Lidl/Aldi are a bit cleverer than Kwiksave. People are doing their
basic shop there and popping into Sainsburys only if they want 15 types of
carrot to choose from

The new Lidl in Leatherhead is a raving success.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 20:31:37 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:


Flax seed? WTF?

Low glycaemic load, high dietary fibre, omega-3 oils. Oh, I understand
now. A fad.

Nope. One of a number of very useful ways of maintaining good blood
glucose control with minimal medication, which I need to do.



But linseeds might spontaneously combust and set fire to your underpants.
Wife sprinkles them on my Sugar Puffs

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-06 01:33:31 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.

They are expanding quickly - at least in S London. While the smaller UK
chains are in trouble.

I could imagine that their expansion (although it's 0.1 - 0.2% in 2%
range) would be at the expense of Somerfield and the like; but did
you mean in the sense of opening more stores or more people in them?
Kwiksave have discovered that having/expanding to a lot of stores
doesn't lead to a solid business. If the business model is wrong,
you just go broke faster.



But Lidl/Aldi are a bit cleverer than Kwiksave. People are doing their
basic shop there and popping into Sainsburys only if they want 15
types of carrot to choose from

The new Lidl in Leatherhead is a raving success.

Those stockbrokers are all cheapskates at heart

On 2007-07-06 10:30:18 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 20:31:37 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:


Flax seed? WTF?

Low glycaemic load, high dietary fibre, omega-3 oils. Oh, I understand
now. A fad.

Nope. One of a number of very useful ways of maintaining good blood
glucose control with minimal medication, which I need to do.



But linseeds might spontaneously combust and set fire to your underpants.
Wife sprinkles them on my Sugar Puffs

She probably needs to do that to get any results in that department.....

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

snip

The new Lidl in Leatherhead is a raving success.

Those stockbrokers are all cheapskates at heart

If it's anything like the Lidl's around here it's because they have
second a (or third...) house in Europe and realise that the UK's
retail obsession with paying people to fill shelves just forces the
costs up (and thus price) and that the products stocked by Lidl's are
the same as what Lidl's and others sell abroad.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
news
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 19:26:18 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax
seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power
tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop
selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?



M&S wouldn't agree, and they've diversified to the point where no one
knows what they sell

Although under the leadership of Stuart Rose have a much better idea
today than they did a few years back. That is that reasonable to good
quality with focus on customer service sells and at good margins, which
is how it should be.

Their stores still seem like a total jumble to me. One day they'll do a
C&A and realise their sites are worth more than their business.

Matalan saw off C&A from the UK. A home grown company.


C&A were a private company stuck in a time warp. They just decided being
a landlord would be easier, and there were no shareholders to dispute
the decision.
I'm not convinced M&S won't go the same way eventually. Appointing
saviours/messiahs is a bad sign, as we know from the football world.

On 2007-07-06 09:46:40 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-06 01:33:31 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.

They are expanding quickly - at least in S London. While the smaller UK
chains are in trouble.

I could imagine that their expansion (although it's 0.1 - 0.2% in 2%
range) would be at the expense of Somerfield and the like; but did you
mean in the sense of opening more stores or more people in them?
Kwiksave have discovered that having/expanding to a lot of stores
doesn't lead to a solid business. If the business model is wrong, you
just go broke faster.



But Lidl/Aldi are a bit cleverer than Kwiksave. People are doing their
basic shop there

Which people and what basic shop? I don't really buy "basic shop"
things like cornflakes and cans of beans.

and popping into Sainsburys only if they want 15 types of carrot to
choose from

I don't want that either - just good quality items of known origin and content

On 2007-07-06 10:09:51 +0100, ":Jerry:" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-05 22:20:47 +0100, Owain
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax
seed, so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling
power tools. Each should stick to its core business and do it
properly.

But Aldi's core business is buying things cheap and selling things
cheap (but at a profit).

Based on their market share, there doesn't seem to be that much
interest in that.
snip

At one time B&Q only had a 1% market share!

That's true, but it grew really rather rapidly.

Lidl and Aldi have been in the market for many years and their market
share still hovers around 1-5-2% with little change.


More straw Andy?...

Nope. Just solid market data.

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
news
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-05 19:26:18 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
I wouldn't go to Axminster Power Tools to buy cucumbers and flax
seed,
so it's bemusing that a food supermarket would be selling power
tools.
Each should stick to its core business and do it properly.



So are you saying high street chain department stores should stop
selling
food and wines and stick to selling household ware,clothes ect?



M&S wouldn't agree, and they've diversified to the point where no one
knows what they sell

Although under the leadership of Stuart Rose have a much better idea
today than they did a few years back. That is that reasonable to good
quality with focus on customer service sells and at good margins, which
is how it should be.

Their stores still seem like a total jumble to me. One day they'll do a
C&A and realise their sites are worth more than their business.

Matalan saw off C&A from the UK. A home grown company.


C&A were a private company stuck in a time warp. They just decided being a
landlord would be easier, and there were no shareholders to dispute the
decision.

Matalan still saw them off though.

I'm not convinced M&S won't go the same way eventually. Appointing
saviours/messiahs is a bad sign, as we know from the football world.

M&S are more clued up and are a high profile company.