Guy King wrote:
The message from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:
"Wherever possible, use a layer of PTFE tape around the thread of the
compression fitting. This tape will be pushed into the thread by the
tightening of the nut and seal any overlarge gaps within the union of the
threads. "

Can't see why it matters whether the threads are sealed or not. They're
nothing to do with the hermeticity of the union.

I don't know why Drivel is recommending using tape *at all*. I
would not.

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

"Wherever possible, use a layer of PTFE tape around the thread of the
compression fitting. This tape will be pushed into the thread by the
tightening of the nut and seal any overlarge gaps within the union of the
threads. "

Can't see why it matters whether the threads are sealed or not. They're
nothing to do with the hermeticity of the union.

Exactly.

"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
Guy King wrote:
The message from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:
"Wherever possible, use a layer of PTFE tape around the thread of the
compression fitting. This tape will be pushed into the thread by the
tightening of the nut and seal any overlarge gaps within the union of
the threads. "

Can't see why it matters whether the threads are sealed or not. They're
nothing to do with the hermeticity of the union.

I don't know why Drivel is recommending using tape *at all*.

I didn't. Read the post.

In article .com,
George Tingsley wrote:
That was a reply to Mr Drivel who says you should not use ptfe tape on
fitting threads and is now drivelling on about leaks from threads I
don't think its worth the effort replying to him he must be your
DIYing brother
You on the other hand don't seem to be able to accept that over
tightening is bad news on compression fittings
Here a few more web pages that contradict your earlier advice that you
should

USE OPEN ENDED SPANNERS AND TIGHTEN THEM TILL THEY GROAN

Pulleeze. I don't shout on newsgroups.

Tightening them 'till they groan' - and any mechanic will know what I mean
with clean dry brass - has always worked for me. As has a few turns of
PTFE tape round the olive. Others say this causes a leak. Some manage to
pull out pipes. Mine are all fine.

If the makers want to be really helpful they should give a torque setting
for the various sizes. Finger tight and so many turns is only really
applicable to stretch bolts etc used on car cylinder heads etc if some
accuracy is needed.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Chris Bacon wrote:
It's sort of possible that DP was referring to doing up fittings
until they make a sort of squeak, which clean brass on brass does
when under load.

Yup.

This "technique" isn't to be relied on, though.

Works for me.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article . com,
George Tingsley wrote:
PTFE can be used on the threads but never on the olive

Why? PTFE tape in practice is little
different from a sealing compound.

It is very different to sealing compound.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"George Tingsley" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senle flatulence wrote:

In article .com,
George Tingsley wrote:

I had a rummage in my fittings box and turned up a few old carded
compression fittings
A few facts quoted from the manufactures which you would hope know more
about their products then a diyforum

By Opella
Usual cleaning info
Apply PTFE tape to male fitting threads only
Hand tighten nut then spanner tighten nut further 1/2 turn 15mm 3/4
turn 22mm
DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN- in large print



I am full pro. You come across as a bodger. You certainly don't fully
understand how a compression joint makes its seal.

I repeat, wrapping PTFE on a parallel thread on a compression fitting body
that a compression nut runs along, serves no purpose whatsoever except waste
PTFE tape.

Look Drivel I will type this very very slowly since you have pro
reading difficulties
I have repeatedly said that you should not use ptfe on the Olive of a
compression fitting as your mate DP has suggested
I even included this web page with pictures to show
http://www.calormarineshop.co.uk/boa...on_fitting.htm
why you should not and why you should not over tighten
and that it is the olive alone that forms the water-gas seal

I have never on this subject said or implied that the use of ptfe on
the
threads of a compression fitting would make a better seal or stop a
leak
The manufactures are not claming that this helps make a better
seal
its Recommended use on compression fitting threads is for its thread
lubricating and anti-seize properties
at least your mate plowman seems to understand the simple principle of
brass to brass contact but then wraps the olive in ptfe instead of the
threads

Chris Bacon wrote:

George Tingsley wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
[ snip ]
You on the other hand don't seem to be able to accept that over
tightening is bad news on compression fittings
Here a few more web pages that contradict your earlier advice that you
should

USE OPEN ENDED SPANNERS AND TIGHTEN THEM TILL THEY GROAN

[snip]

It's sort of possible that DP was referring to doing up fittings
until they make a sort of squeak, which clean brass on brass does
when under load. This "technique" isn't to be relied on, though.

I don't think so given the full quote
Use proper open ended spanners and tighten them till they groan.
You won't
over tighten them unless using something silly like large Stilson.


do you accept that over-tightening compression fittings should be
avoided
do you accept the general recommendation that from finger tight it is
somewhere between 2/3 and 1-1/4 turns to make an effective seal
do you do any plumbing if so
try an experiment wrap the -olive- but not the threads in ptfe tape
as DP would
now tighten fitting till it groans or squeaks
how many turns did this take and what condition was the pipe and olive
in
afterwards

"George Tingsley" wrote in message
oups.com...

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"George Tingsley" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senle flatulence wrote:

In article .com,
George Tingsley wrote:

I had a rummage in my fittings box and turned up a few old carded
compression fittings
A few facts quoted from the manufactures which you would hope know
more
about their products then a diyforum

By Opella
Usual cleaning info
Apply PTFE tape to male fitting threads only
Hand tighten nut then spanner tighten nut further 1/2 turn 15mm 3/4
turn 22mm
DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN- in large print



I am full pro. You come across as a bodger.
You certainly don't fully
understand how a compression joint
makes its seal.

I repeat, wrapping PTFE on a parallel
thread on a compression fitting body
that a compression nut runs along,
serves no purpose whatsoever except waste
PTFE tape.

Look Drivel I will type this very very
slowly since you have pro
reading difficulties

Idiotic bodger, read what I wrote,. Read it 5 times. Whatever you don't
understand get back to me.

I have repeatedly said that you
should not use ptfe on the Olive of a
compression fitting as your mate DP has suggested

The senile one is not my mate, and debating with a such an obvious senile
person is futile.

I even included this web page with pictures to show
http://www.calormarineshop.co.uk/boa...on_fitting.htm
why you should not and why you should not over tighten
and that it is the olive alone that forms the water-gas seal

We all know you don't overtighten compression fitting, the senile one
doesn't.

I have never on this subject said or implied that the use of ptfe on
the
threads of a compression fitting would make a better seal or stop a
leak
The manufactures are not claming that this helps make a better
seal
its Recommended use on compression fitting threads is for its thread
lubricating and anti-seize properties
at least your mate plowman seems to understand the simple principle of
brass to brass contact but then wraps the olive in ptfe instead of the
threads

You put silicon grease on the threads not PTFE for anti-seize.

George Tingsley wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
George Tingsley wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
[ snip ]
You on the other hand don't seem to be able to accept that over
tightening is bad news on compression fittings
Here a few more web pages that contradict your earlier advice that you
should

USE OPEN ENDED SPANNERS AND TIGHTEN THEM TILL THEY GROAN
[snip]

It's sort of possible that DP was referring to doing up fittings
until they make a sort of squeak, which clean brass on brass does
when under load. This "technique" isn't to be relied on, though.

I don't think so given the full quote
"Use proper open ended spanners and tighten them till they groan.
You won't over tighten them unless using something silly like large
Stilson".

do you accept that over-tightening compression fittings should be
avoided

Of course!

do you accept the general recommendation that from finger
tight it is somewhere between 2/3 and 1-1/4 turns to make an effective
seal

Yes - you're preaching to the converted. I have never used PTFE,
bath caulk, "instant gasket", Hermetite red or golden or blue or
anything else on compression joints.


do you do any plumbing

Sometimes...

if so try an experiment wrap the -olive-
but not the threads in ptfe tape as DP would now tighten fitting
till it groans or squeaks

it won't work since the tape will lubricate the joint

how many turns did this take

(theoretically) lots

and what condition was the pipe and olive in afterwards

(theoretically) both shagged.

In article .com,
George Tingsley wrote:
Look Drivel I will type this very very slowly since you have pro reading
difficulties I have repeatedly said that you should not use ptfe on the
Olive of a compression fitting as your mate DP

FFS. Get a life.

has suggested I even
included this web page with pictures to show

http://www.calormarineshop.co.uk/boa...on_fitting.htm why
you should not and why you should not over tighten
and that it is the olive alone that forms the water-gas seal

Which gives a vastly different number of turns after finger tight for a
1/2 inch fitting than you recommended in a post.

Make up your mind. Either Calor is correct or not.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article .com,
George Tingsley wrote:

It's sort of possible that DP was referring to doing up fittings
until they make a sort of squeak, which clean brass on brass does
when under load. This "technique" isn't to be relied on, though.

I don't think so given the full quote Use proper open ended spanners and
tighten them till they groan.

Then you think wrong. It's *exactly* what I meant.

You won't over tighten them unless using
something silly like large Stilson.

And I stand by that too. The correct open ended spanners are of a length
that will prevent overtightening.

do you accept that over-tightening compression fittings should be
avoided
do you accept the general recommendation that from finger tight it is
somewhere between 2/3 and 1-1/4 turns to make an effective seal

Somewhere between? Very exact that. And could represent more than a
doubling of the pressure on the seals.

do you do any plumbing if so try an experiment wrap the -olive- but not
the threads in ptfe tape as DP would now tighten fitting till it groans
or squeaks how many turns did this take and what condition was the pipe
and olive in afterwards

Err, how are you going to know what condition they should be in? The acid
test is if they leak or pull apart. Nothing else really matters.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Chris Bacon wrote:
if so try an experiment wrap the -olive-
but not the threads in ptfe tape as DP would now tighten fitting
till it groans or squeaks

it won't work since the tape will lubricate the joint

No - it's the threads that groan as well.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
George Tingsley wrote:
Look Drivel I will type this very very slowly since you have pro reading
difficulties I have repeatedly said that you should not use ptfe on the
Olive of a compression fitting as your mate DP

FFS. Get a life.

So everyone should stop moaning at Drivel? The think is,
G.T. is right, and knows it.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
George Tingsley wrote:
It's sort of possible that DP was referring to doing up fittings
until they make a sort of squeak, which clean brass on brass does
when under load. This "technique" isn't to be relied on, though.

I don't think so given the full quote Use proper open ended spanners and
tighten them till they groan.

Then you think wrong. It's *exactly* what I meant.

You can't rely on this technique at all, though.


You won't over tighten them unless using
something silly like large Stilson.

And I stand by that too. The correct open ended spanners are of a length
that will prevent overtightening.

Individuals can apply more or less turning force on the
fitting with the same spanner, so that does not work either!

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:

*BUT THE ATTRIBUTIONS WERE MUNGED YET AGAIN*

if so try an experiment wrap the -olive-
but not the threads in ptfe tape as DP would now tighten fitting
till it groans or squeaks

it won't work since the tape will lubricate the joint

No - it's the threads that groan as well.

Anyone relying on making consistently good compression joints
by "tightening them till they groan" is doomed to failure.

Making a compression joint is not the same as doing up an
exhaust manifold.

In article ,
Chris Bacon wrote:
Then you think wrong. It's *exactly* what I meant.

You can't rely on this technique at all, though.

I can and do. What you do is up to you.

You won't over tighten them unless using
something silly like large Stilson.

And I stand by that too. The correct open ended spanners are of a
length that will prevent overtightening.

Individuals can apply more or less turning force on the
fitting with the same spanner, so that does not work either!

As they can with anything. It just requires a 'feel' for such things.
And the day I get a leaking compression fitting I'll worry about my
technique.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Chris Bacon wrote:
Anyone relying on making consistently good compression joints
by "tightening them till they groan" is doomed to failure.

Strangely I'm not. Not had a failure I can remember. Perhaps it's down to
the PTFE round the olive? ;-)

Making a compression joint is not the same as doing up an
exhaust manifold.

I use a torque wrench were necessary. But would happily tighten such
things as manifold nuts without. It's called experience, I'd guess.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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..

I have never on this subject said or implied that the use of ptfe on
the
threads of a compression fitting would make a better seal or stop a
leak
The manufactures are not claming that this helps make a better
seal
its Recommended use on compression fitting threads is for its thread
lubricating and anti-seize properties
at least your mate plowman seems to understand the simple principle of
brass to brass contact but then wraps the olive in ptfe instead of the
threads

You put silicon grease on the threads not PTFE for anti-seize.

Thank you Drivel case proven I think

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:



http://www.calormarineshop.co.uk/boa...on_fitting.htm why
you should not and why you should not over tighten
and that it is the olive alone that forms the water-gas seal

Which gives a vastly different number of turns after finger tight for a
1/2 inch fitting than you recommended in a post.

Make up your mind. Either Calor is correct or not.


VASTLY? read my first reply to Redeye
3/4 turn and another 1/8 if it weeps = 7/8 of a turn from hard hand
tight Calor say 1-1/4
and the difference is HOW MUCH
you and Drivel make a good double act
he has trouble reading and you cant add-up
must be why you use the squeak method of plumbing

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Chris Bacon wrote:

George Tingsley wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
George Tingsley wrote:
.

do you accept that over-tightening compression fittings should be
avoided

Of course!

Ok I thought from your first reply to me you were one of the gang

"George Tingsley" wrote in message
oups.com...
.

I have never on this subject said or implied that the use of ptfe on
the
threads of a compression fitting would make a better seal or stop a
leak
The manufactures are not claming that this helps make a better
seal
its Recommended use on compression fitting threads is for its thread
lubricating and anti-seize properties
at least your mate plowman seems to understand the simple principle of
brass to brass contact but then wraps the olive in ptfe instead of the
threads

You put silicon grease on the threads not PTFE for anti-seize.

Thank you Drivel case proven I think

Good. Nice to know you are learning.

"George Tingsley" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote:



http://www.calormarineshop.co.uk/boa...on_fitting.htm why
you should not and why you should not over tighten
and that it is the olive alone that forms the water-gas seal

Which gives a vastly different number of turns after finger tight for a
1/2 inch fitting than you recommended in a post.

Make up your mind. Either Calor is correct or not.


VASTLY? read my first reply to Redeye
3/4 turn and another 1/8 if it weeps = 7/8 of a turn from hard hand
tight Calor say 1-1/4
and the difference is HOW MUCH
you and Drivel make a good double act

How dare you associate me with senility. You are right, the joints should
not be overtightened.

In article . com,
George Tingsley wrote:
http://www.calormarineshop.co.uk/boa...on_fitting.htm why
you should not and why you should not over tighten
and that it is the olive alone that forms the water-gas seal

Which gives a vastly different number of turns after finger tight for a
1/2 inch fitting than you recommended in a post.

Make up your mind. Either Calor is correct or not.


VASTLY? read my first reply to Redeye
3/4 turn and another 1/8 if it weeps = 7/8 of a turn from hard hand
tight Calor say 1-1/4
and the difference is HOW MUCH

Please learn news group etiquette and don't shout (caps) - it makes you
look like the newbie you are.

If 1 1/4 turns are what is needed, why mention 3/4? The difference is over
50% so hardly an accurate figure. To a newbie seeking advice - as some are
- it's a recipe for confusion and leaks, and those are *far* more likely
than problems through over-tightening.

you and Drivel make a good double act
he has trouble reading and you cant add-up
must be why you use the squeak method of plumbing

Perhaps you were taught a different way of adding up where large errors
didn't matter. Just as well you're not giving 'advice' on fitting shelves
into an alcove.

However, any engineer would tell you that a given number of turns is only
a rough guide on a device like this. And certainly not the best one.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Please learn news group etiquette and don't shout (caps) - it makes you
look like the newbie you are.


no, mine aren't on. which makes it boring.
unbalanced, i thought.

mk5000

"we got all the crs we want, all the houses we want, all the clothes we
want. all the jewelry we want, all the hos we want"--meech and bmf, the
raw report

marika wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Please learn news group etiquette and don't shout (caps) - it makes you
look like the newbie you are.


no, mine aren't on. which makes it boring.
unbalanced, i thought.

mk5000

"we got all the crs we want, all the houses we want, all the clothes we
want. all the jewelry we want, all the hos we want"--meech and bmf, the
raw report

Im still on a learning curve with google groups
But I did not understand any of that massage

George Tingsley wrote:
marika wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Please learn news group etiquette and don't shout (caps) - it makes you
look like the newbie you are.


no, mine aren't on. which makes it boring.
unbalanced, i thought.

mk5000

"we got all the crs we want, all the houses we want, all the clothes we
want. all the jewelry we want, all the hos we want"--meech and bmf, the
raw report

Im still on a learning curve with google groups
But I did not understand any of that massage

This is quite intresting. I did not know one could understand a
massage. Honestly, this could be on the level of learning the dolphin
language and learn when a hurricane is about to develop. This could be
greater than teaching a monkey sign lanugage. This couldbe great than
teaching a dog to wash its paws before shakingyour hand after it has
licked itself.

My god.. this could be greater since the invention of pre-cut hotdog
buns!

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:



If 1 1/4 turns are what is needed, why mention 3/4? The difference is over
50% so hardly an accurate figure. To a newbie seeking advice - as some are
- it's a recipe for confusion and leaks, and those are *far* more likely
than problems through over-tightening.


It's a guide even your favoured calor web page says its a guide
We have already covered all the reasons why it can only be a guide
This discussion is all about how to instruct someone new to compression
fittings and is having problems

What would happen if our apprentice followed your advice to the letter

Goes to toolbox and picks up a large pr stilsons
Nope mr plowman says these are silly and I cant use them
Finds a proper engineers spanner that fits the end caps
But note NOT the proper spanner that you had in mind
our apprentice is still on the basics
mind reading comes later in the course

ah great mr plowman say I cant overtighten with one of these
then proceeds to screw down the end caps until the threads start to
scream with the amount of force being applied

the outcome of this would be one very buggered and leaking fitting


Perhaps you were taught a different way of adding up where large errors
didn't matter. Just as well you're not giving 'advice' on fitting shelves
into an alcove.

very funny given your previous plumbing advice

I think I can now claim case proven
You will probably need the last word
any authoritative source on the www that agrees with your plumbing
advise for novices would be good otherwise it will be just more
bull**** and best ignored by everyone





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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article .com,
George Tingsley wrote:
If 1 1/4 turns are what is needed, why mention 3/4? The difference is
over 50% so hardly an accurate figure. To a newbie seeking advice - as
some are - it's a recipe for confusion and leaks, and those are *far*
more likely than problems through over-tightening.


It's a guide even your favoured calor web page

Not mine, pet. You're the one who quoted it to support one of *your*
arguments. Personally I don't much like it. Showing that fitting dripping
with gunge is pretty meaningless.

says its a guide We have already covered all the reasons why it can only
be a guide This discussion is all about how to instruct someone new to
compression fittings and is having problems

OK

What would happen if our apprentice followed your advice to the letter

Goes to toolbox and picks up a large pr stilsons
Nope mr plowman says these are silly and I cant use them

And rightly so - they will mark the fitting, especially if chrome plated.
But perhaps this doesn't bother you?

Finds a proper engineers spanner that fits the end caps But note NOT the
proper spanner that you had in mind our apprentice is still on the basics
mind reading comes later in the course

Perhaps you'd explain that? Spanners come in near standard lengths
appropriate to their across flats size. But those who only use pipe grips
and Stilsons won't be aware of this.

And I'd hope he'd be supervised by a journeyman until he learns how to do
something properly. But as your apprentice it seems not. Perhaps you might
name your firm so we know to avoid it? Especially if you're as cavalier
with using untrained personnel on safety critical supplies.

ah great mr plowman say I cant overtighten with one of these
then proceeds to screw down the end caps until the threads start to
scream with the amount of force being applied

A groan has turned into a scream? Probably the pipe grips you so love
slipping and removing skin from the aforementioned apprentice. Hope you
have to fill in the accident report and take more care of your charge in
the future.

the outcome of this would be one very buggered and leaking fitting

Often happens with apprentices who aren't properly supervised and taught
by craftsmen.


Perhaps you were taught a different way of adding up where large
errors didn't matter. Just as well you're not giving 'advice' on
fitting shelves into an alcove.

very funny given your previous plumbing advice

I think I can now claim case proven
You will probably need the last word
any authoritative source on the www that agrees with your plumbing
advise for novices would be good otherwise it will be just more
bull**** and best ignored by everyone

You've hardly given good advice in this post have you? More made a
complete fool of yourself.

--
*I got a sweater for Christmas. I really wanted a screamer or a moaner*

Dave Plowman London SW
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George Tingsley wrote:
marika wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Please learn news group etiquette and don't shout (caps) - it makes you
look like the newbie you are.

no, mine aren't on. which makes it boring.
unbalanced, i thought.

mk5000

"we got all the crs we want, all the houses we want, all the clothes we
want. all the jewelry we want, all the hos we want"--meech and bmf, the
raw report

Im still on a learning curve with google groups
But I did not understand any of that massage

Mr Plowman is chastising you, by the look, for capitalizing
some words. I don't know why, they add appropriate emphasis.
"marika" is putting an unknown point of view in, with an
incomprehensible quote at the end. I shouldn't worry, you
seem to be doing reasonably well.

Watch out for strangely cross-posted groups, in this case
alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley. This one sounds like a
case of someone's inflated ego.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
George Tingsley wrote:
[snip]
You've hardly given good advice in this post have you?

Where has he given bad advice? I can't see it. I can see advice
on tightening fittings 'till they groan, which is rubbish, and
using PTFE tape, also rubbish, and that the correct spanners are
of a length that makes it impossible to overtighten these joints,
also rubbish.

More made a complete fool of yourself.

I disagree. I should just drop it, IIWY.

In article ,
Chris Bacon wrote:
You've hardly given good advice in this post have you?

Where has he given bad advice? I can't see it. I can see advice
on tightening fittings 'till they groan, which is rubbish, and
using PTFE tape, also rubbish,

You saw mention of PTFE tape in that post?

and that the correct spanners are
of a length that makes it impossible to overtighten these joints,
also rubbish.

Using the correct spanners on any nut makes overtightening less likely.
That's why they are of different lengths according to the nut size. As
anyone with a modicum of engineering knowledge would realise.

More made a complete fool of yourself.

I disagree. I should just drop it, IIWY.

You'd be happy with a clueless apprentice working in your house while not
under supervision?

Fine.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Finds a proper engineers spanner that fits the end caps But note NOT the
proper spanner that you had in mind our apprentice is still on the basics
mind reading comes later in the course

Perhaps you'd explain that? Spanners come in near standard lengths
appropriate to their across flats size.

Agreed
So I will comment on this final point
to prove you are a complete ****
A 15/16 A/F spanner fits the flats on a isolating valve capnut quite
nicely
Its 10-1/2 inches long that's 270mm in new money
If you cant overtighten a fitting with this length of spanner you must
have lost the use of your wrists through excessive jerking off to the
sound of your own voice

I think I can now claim case proven
You will probably need the last word AGAIN
any authoritative source on the www that agrees with your plumbing
advise for novices would be good otherwise it will be just more
bull**** and best ignored by everyone







--
*I got a sweater for Christmas. I really wanted a screamer or a moaner*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article .com,
George Tingsley wrote:
So I will comment on this final point
to prove you are a complete ****
A 15/16 A/F spanner fits the flats on a isolating valve capnut quite
nicely
Its 10-1/2 inches long that's 270mm in new money
If you cant overtighten a fitting with this length of spanner you must
have lost the use of your wrists through excessive jerking off to the
sound of your own voice

Then stick to your 24" Stilsons. You know it makes sense. All those lovely
patterns on the nut faces.

--
*I believe five out of four people have trouble with fractions. *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
George Tingsley wrote:
[snip]
Then stick to your 24" Stilsons. You know it makes sense. All those lovely
patterns on the nut faces.

DP, you're getting nowhere with this.

Lester Mosley wrote:
This is quite intresting. I did not know one could understand a
massage. Honestly, this could be on the level of learning the dolphin
language and learn when a hurricane is about to develop. This could be
greater than teaching a monkey sign lanugage. This couldbe great than
teaching a dog to wash its paws before shakingyour hand after it has
licked itself.

My god.. this could be greater since the invention of pre-cut hotdog
buns!

Lord!

http://www.lisa-bennett.com/pages/knitbread3.html


mk5000

"Judge Not
If you're not ready for judgement-Woah oh oh!
The boat of life is rocking
And you may stumble too"--bob marley

George Tingsley wrote:
marika wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Please learn news group etiquette and don't shout (caps) - it makes you
look like the newbie you are.


no, mine aren't on. which makes it boring.
unbalanced, i thought.

mk5000

"we got all the crs we want, all the houses we want, all the clothes we
want. all the jewelry we want, all the hos we want"--meech and bmf, the
raw report

Im still on a learning curve with google groups
But I did not understand any of that massage

the previous guy complained about caps being like shouting, mine
weren't and aren't on, so i must be whispering i think that if this guy
is right about the caps thing, then people who capitalize part of their
messages are screaming one letter out of their message. it's a bit
unbalanced i think to scream out only one letter in a sentence and a
few in paragraph. so i figured that to balance it out i would only
whisper

mk5000

"I'll cause you know more sorrow
One cup of coffee than I'll go
I brought the money
Like the lawyer said to do"--bob marley

Chris Bacon wrote:

George Tingsley wrote:
marika wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Please learn news group etiquette and don't shout (caps) - it makes you
look like the newbie you are.

no, mine aren't on. which makes it boring.
unbalanced, i thought.

mk5000

"we got all the crs we want, all the houses we want, all the clothes we
want. all the jewelry we want, all the hos we want"--meech and bmf, the
raw report

Im still on a learning curve with google groups
But I did not understand any of that message

Mr Plowman is chastising you, by the look, for capitalizing
some words. I don't know why, they add appropriate emphasis.
"marika" is putting an unknown point of view in, with an
incomprehensible quote at the end. I shouldn't worry, you
seem to be doing reasonably well.

Watch out for strangely cross-posted groups, in this case
alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley. This one sounds like a
case of someone's inflated ego.

Thanks for you help Chris