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I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I
am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my entire flat is illuminated by halogen light bulbs. Every single light bulb socket in the ceilings are halogen bulb sockets. I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Does anyone know the easiest way to replace the halogen bulb sockets to be able to use the conventional/old light bulbs? Does there exist a convertor? To save some money I have taken all but one halogen bulb out from each room. However I still don't like the sight of halogen light bulbs. I prefer installing "energy saving" light bulbs but I do not want to use floor/table lamps. There are now holes with dangling wires from where the halogen light bulbs used to be. The wires are the halogen sockets. |
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KevinGPO wrote:
I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. Moving into an expensive flat was perhaps not the best move then? I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Really? -- Grunff |
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On 29 Dec 2005 04:38:55 -0800, "KevinGPO"
wrote: I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my entire flat is illuminated by halogen light bulbs. Every single light bulb socket in the ceilings are halogen bulb sockets. I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Does anyone know the easiest way to replace the halogen bulb sockets to be able to use the conventional/old light bulbs? Does there exist a convertor? You do realise that you can now get energy-saving lamps to fit halogen sockets? -- ACK and you shall receive. |
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KevinGPO writes I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my entire flat is illuminated by halogen light bulbs. Every single light bulb socket in the ceilings are halogen bulb sockets. I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Does anyone know the easiest way to replace the halogen bulb sockets to be able to use the conventional/old light bulbs? Does there exist a convertor? To save some money I have taken all but one halogen bulb out from each room. However I still don't like the sight of halogen light bulbs. I prefer installing "energy saving" light bulbs but I do not want to use floor/table lamps. There are now holes with dangling wires from where the halogen light bulbs used to be. The wires are the halogen sockets. Halogen lamps are MORE efficient than common lamps but less efficient than compact fluorescent lamps. What voltage and wattage are the existing lamps? What type of base does it have? If these are ordinary 110/240 volt lamps (depending on where you live) then you could replace the lamps that are most likely to be lit for long periods of tine with compact fluorescent. Heating or air conditioning will account for a much greater cost than lighting. If the weathers cold turn the heating down and get a woolly jumper. If it's hot, turn the air conditioning to a warmer setting and walk about in a pair of underpants. ![]() -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com |
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I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my Heh! -- Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite |
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Clive Mitchell writes: Halogen lamps are MORE efficient than common lamps but less efficient than compact fluorescent lamps. The lamps themselves are, but lighting a room by indirect light reflected off the floor is horribly inefficient. It's common to find a kitchen with 500W of halogen downlighters that has a much lower level of illumination everywhere that matters than you get from hanging a 60W lamp in the middle of the room. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Hey ! everybody, we are a energy saving lamp manufacturer in Taiwan and
actually had been develop this kind of bulb, I mean in G6.3 base ( same with MR11 bulb ) and working in 12Vac, so, it can replace MR-11 bulb directly without change anything, the original idea is design to replace halogen bulb in low voltage garden lighing system, especially for pathway light fixture application, we had been promote with USA market, in our idea this way can use a small power transformer can drive more fixture and get more illumination, but, the reponse is not good, does any can get us some comment, I hope I can know where is going wrong. David Huang "KevinGPO" groups.com... I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my entire flat is illuminated by halogen light bulbs. Every single light bulb socket in the ceilings are halogen bulb sockets. I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Does anyone know the easiest way to replace the halogen bulb sockets to be able to use the conventional/old light bulbs? Does there exist a convertor? To save some money I have taken all but one halogen bulb out from each room. However I still don't like the sight of halogen light bulbs. I prefer installing "energy saving" light bulbs but I do not want to use floor/table lamps. There are now holes with dangling wires from where the halogen light bulbs used to be. The wires are the halogen sockets. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Clive Mitchell writes: Halogen lamps are MORE efficient than common lamps but less efficient than compact fluorescent lamps. The lamps themselves are, but lighting a room by indirect light reflected off the floor is horribly inefficient. It's common to find a kitchen with 500W of halogen downlighters that has a much lower level of illumination everywhere that matters than you get from hanging a 60W lamp in the middle of the room. Hear hear. Halogen downlighter installs are horribly expensive to run. Fitting standard filament bulbs wil gain nothing. Replacing the fittings with CFL downlighters will improve things by a factor of 3 or so, but will still not be energy efficient. If you want sane running costs, you need to change away from downlighters. A wall mounted spotlight fitted with a CFL bulb and pointed upwards makes a fairly good uplighter. A couple of those are enough for a small room, as one can only really fit 40w equivalent cfls in them. Spots, pendants, bowls etc can all be mounted on ceilings too. The trick is to point them at the white ceiling, not the carpet. CFL lighting is the most economical option, so forget anything not CFL compatible. For pendant shades, pick white and make sure the shade is washable. If you're adding new lights, use a switchbank, each light on its own switch. Payback is typically within a year. NT |
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![]() David wrote: Hey ! everybody, we are a energy saving lamp manufacturer in Taiwan and actually had been develop this kind of bulb, I mean in G6.3 base ( same with MR11 bulb ) and working in 12Vac, so, it can replace MR-11 bulb directly without change anything, the original idea is design to replace halogen bulb in low voltage garden lighing system, especially for pathway light fixture application, we had been promote with USA market, in our idea this way can use a small power transformer can drive more fixture and get more illumination, but, the reponse is not good, does any can get us some comment, I hope I can know where is going wrong. David Huang Are the lamp dimensions exactly the same as the MR11? How does the light output compare, for say, a 20W lamp? By the way, the MR11 seems to use a GU4 base, is this the same as a G6.3? Regards Capitol |
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How about replacing the bulbs with LED ones............. they seem to be
good for 30,000 hours and use minimal electricity. "KevinGPO" wrote in message ups.com... I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my entire flat is illuminated by halogen light bulbs. Every single light bulb socket in the ceilings are halogen bulb sockets. I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Does anyone know the easiest way to replace the halogen bulb sockets to be able to use the conventional/old light bulbs? Does there exist a convertor? To save some money I have taken all but one halogen bulb out from each room. However I still don't like the sight of halogen light bulbs. I prefer installing "energy saving" light bulbs but I do not want to use floor/table lamps. There are now holes with dangling wires from where the halogen light bulbs used to be. The wires are the halogen sockets. |
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writes How about replacing the bulbs with LED ones............. they seem to be good for 30,000 hours and use minimal electricity. And indeed emit minimal light too. These are best suited to mood lighting. The white ones are still predominantly the ugly blue-white and the quoted life is often not achieved when the lamps have used crappy LEDs. That said, the circuitry that drops the mains voltage and limits the current to the LED arrays in these lamps has evolved to a stage of utter simplicity and low component count. Namely (for a 240V lamp) a 240 ohm 1/4W current inrush limiting resistor (also acts as a fuse), a 270nF 400V capacitor to limit the current, a 1Mohm 1/4W resistor to discharge the capacitor and avoid nasty nips off the lamp pins and lastly a small bridge rectifier to rectify the limited AC to DC for the LED array. Sweet. See the PCB of a lamp he- http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/candle2.jpg -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com |
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writes In message , Geoff Norfolk writes How about replacing the bulbs with LED ones............. they seem to be good for 30,000 hours and use minimal electricity. And indeed emit minimal light too. These are best suited to mood lighting. Did anyone else notice, just before xmas, one of the "I can make my house viewable from space" brigade being interviewed - "They're LEDs, so they don't use any electricity" or did I mention that before ? -- geoff |
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![]() "Clive Mitchell" wrote in message ... In message , Geoff Norfolk writes How about replacing the bulbs with LED ones............. they seem to be good for 30,000 hours and use minimal electricity. And indeed emit minimal light too. These are best suited to mood lighting. The white ones are still predominantly the ugly blue-white and the quoted life is often not achieved when the lamps have used crappy LEDs. That said, the circuitry that drops the mains voltage and limits the current to the LED arrays in these lamps has evolved to a stage of utter simplicity and low component count. Namely (for a 240V lamp) a 240 ohm 1/4W current inrush limiting resistor (also acts as a fuse), a 270nF 400V capacitor to limit the current, a 1Mohm 1/4W resistor to discharge the capacitor and avoid nasty nips off the lamp pins and lastly a small bridge rectifier to rectify the limited AC to DC for the LED array. Sweet. See the PCB of a lamp he- http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/candle2.jpg Nice! Do you have a schematic for that? |
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Certainly, the diamension will be much bigger than a MR11 bulb, it need a
ballast so it is much bigger thana normall bulb, but the lumen efficiency of engery saving lamp is batter than halogen bulb ( about 4 times ), I remember MR11 is G6.3 base not GU4. "Capitol" ... David wrote: Hey ! everybody, we are a energy saving lamp manufacturer in Taiwan and actually had been develop this kind of bulb, I mean in G6.3 base ( same with MR11 bulb ) and working in 12Vac, so, it can replace MR-11 bulb directly without change anything, the original idea is design to replace halogen bulb in low voltage garden lighing system, especially for pathway light fixture application, we had been promote with USA market, in our idea this way can use a small power transformer can drive more fixture and get more illumination, but, the reponse is not good, does any can get us some comment, I hope I can know where is going wrong. David Huang Are the lamp dimensions exactly the same as the MR11? How does the light output compare, for say, a 20W lamp? By the way, the MR11 seems to use a GU4 base, is this the same as a G6.3? Regards Capitol |
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In message , Blueyonder
writes http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/candle2.jpg Nice! Do you have a schematic for that? Take a look on my website at the fibre optic hack. It contains roughly the same circuit but with smoothing and all the hassle that entails. The discharge resistor is in a different position in the schematic on my site and all the components on the DC side of the rectifier are not needed except for the LEDs. http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/fibre.htm With a modest number of LEDs the 100/120Hz flicker is not noticeable anyway. If you take a look at the original picture I linked to and follow it through with me, then this should make sense... http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/candle2.jpg The 1M resistor is soldered across the capacitor. It isn't really needed, but without it you can get a nip from residual charge when the lamp is unplugged. The 240 ohm resistor and capacitor are in series between the mains Live (Hot) and one of the AC pins on the rectifier. The other AC pin on the rectifier is connected straight to Neutral (return). The LEDs are all connected in series between the +ve and -ve terminals of the rectifier. And that's it! For 110V use I guess you might need a 470nF 200V capacitor, but I've only seen the insides of the 240V lamps. (Someone in America might perhaps open one and tell us?) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com |
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![]() "Clive Mitchell" wrote in message ... In message , Blueyonder writes http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/candle2.jpg Nice! Do you have a schematic for that? Take a look on my website at the fibre optic hack. It contains roughly the same circuit but with smoothing and all the hassle that entails. The discharge resistor is in a different position in the schematic on my site and all the components on the DC side of the rectifier are not needed except for the LEDs. http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/fibre.htm Cool. Much appreciated. You may want to consider earthing those metal bolts that hold your mains-potential PCB up, and that also stick out the bottom of the case. Perhaps nylon bolts would work - not sure - but a warning would perhaps be good for those that may try to copy it and not realise. Cool all the same. -- Jason |
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In message , Blueyonder
writes http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/fibre.htm Cool. Much appreciated. You may want to consider earthing those metal bolts that hold your mains-potential PCB up, and that also stick out the bottom of the case. Perhaps nylon bolts would work - not sure - but a warning would perhaps be good for those that may try to copy it and not realise. Cool all the same. It does mention that there should be good clearance of the bolts or plastic ones should be used. That said, as soon as I put that hack up the shops ran out of those lights and have started selling a much less hackable version. I really should put up the Christmas tree version. It's a PCB designed to fit onto standard fixings in the most common fibre optic tree bases and provide bright ultra-pure colour LED lighting up the fibre optic branches at less than 2W. I made the first few last year and made a few custom versions for friends this year. The UV LED "Gothmas" tree was most psychedelic. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:05:55 +0800, "David"
wrote: Certainly, the diamension will be much bigger than a MR11 bulb, it need a ballast so it is much bigger thana normall bulb, but the lumen efficiency of engery saving lamp is batter than halogen bulb ( about 4 times ), I remember MR11 is G6.3 base not GU4. You say only "energy saving." What type of lamp is this? -- Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com To reply via e-mail: replace xxx with vdr in the Reply to: address or use e-mail address listed at the Web site. This information is provided for educational purposes only. It may not be used in any publication or posted on any Web site without written permission. |
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It's 3U sharp engery saving lamp with G6.3 base and working in 12 Vac
"Victor Roberts" ... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:05:55 +0800, "David" wrote: Certainly, the diamension will be much bigger than a MR11 bulb, it need a ballast so it is much bigger thana normall bulb, but the lumen efficiency of engery saving lamp is batter than halogen bulb ( about 4 times ), I remember MR11 is G6.3 base not GU4. You say only "energy saving." What type of lamp is this? -- Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com To reply via e-mail: replace xxx with vdr in the Reply to: address or use e-mail address listed at the Web site. This information is provided for educational purposes only. It may not be used in any publication or posted on any Web site without written permission. |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:58:17 GMT, Geoff Norfolk wrote:
How about replacing the bulbs with LED ones............. they seem to be good for 30,000 hours and use minimal electricity. And sadly provide minimal light too. I looked into this recently. The output is down around '10W halogen' equivalent. "KevinGPO" wrote in message ups.com... I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my entire flat is illuminated by halogen light bulbs. Every single light bulb socket in the ceilings are halogen bulb sockets. I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Does anyone know the easiest way to replace the halogen bulb sockets to be able to use the conventional/old light bulbs? Does there exist a convertor? To save some money I have taken all but one halogen bulb out from each room. However I still don't like the sight of halogen light bulbs. I prefer installing "energy saving" light bulbs but I do not want to use floor/table lamps. There are now holes with dangling wires from where the halogen light bulbs used to be. The wires are the halogen sockets. |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:43:56 +0800, "David"
wrote: It's 3U sharp engery saving lamp with G6.3 base and working in 12 Vac I'm sorry - my question was not clear enough. Please describe the lamp technology. Is this a standard incandescent lamp, an incandescent lamp with IR reflecting coating, a halogen incandescent lamp with or without IR reflecting coating, a compact fluorescent lamp, some other type of discharge lamp, or a solid state lamp such as a light emitting diode, or something completely different? -- Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com To reply via e-mail: replace xxx with vdr in the Reply to: address or use e-mail address listed at the Web site. This information is provided for educational purposes only. It may not be used in any publication or posted on any Web site without written permission. |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, KevinGPO wrote:
I need some help and advice. I just moved into a new expensive flat. I am trying to save money as I am low on income. I noticed that my entire flat is illuminated by halogen light bulbs. I know that halogen light bulbs uses 10x more electricity/energy than conventional/old light bulbs. Does anyone know the easiest way to replace the halogen bulb sockets to be able to use the conventional/old light bulbs? +--------------------------------------+ \ 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 / \ \ 1 9 / \ 0 \ 10 / \ \ TROLL-O-METER / \ \ / \ \ / \___\______________________/ \ / \....................../ +----------+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLLS | +----------+ | | | | .\|.||/.. |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Capitol wrote:
Have you cracked getting a decent light output replacement headlamp for the Dodge Intrepids 95-99? yet? 1) No Intrepids in the UK 2) Two completely different bodystyles in your year range 3) Question asked and answered elsewhere 4) ... |
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David wrote:
Certainly, the diamension will be much bigger than a MR11 bulb, it need a ballast so it is much bigger thana normall bulb, but the lumen efficiency of engery saving lamp is batter than halogen bulb ( about 4 times ), I remember MR11 is G6.3 base not GU4. MR11s use GU4 bases. MR16s use, IIRC, GU5.3. Some low voltage halogen capsules use G6.5. I have no idea what, if anything, uses a G6.3. -- By the time they are 65 years old, most Americans have watched more than nine years worth of television. --------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Waldman, UK email: --------------------------------------------------------------- |
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![]() Daniel J. Stern wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Capitol wrote: Have you cracked getting a decent light output replacement headlamp for the Dodge Intrepids 95-99? yet? 1) No Intrepids in the UK 2) Two completely different bodystyles in your year range 3) Question asked and answered elsewhere 4) ... 1) Not quite correct. Albeit, very few. So, sadly, overall, that's a No then! Regards Capitol |
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Please take a look at these photographs of my halogen light bulbs. The
only thing written on them are 12V 50W and some brand name. Please can someone help me identify the proper code name for them. Thanks! http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.13.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.15.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.16.jpg |
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"KevinGPO" writes: Please take a look at these photographs of my halogen light bulbs. The only thing written on them are 12V 50W and some brand name. Please can someone help me identify the proper code name for them. Thanks! http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.13.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.15.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.16.jpg They're MR16's probably (including a ruler in the picture would help). In some cases, they've still got the lampholder's retaining ring attached to them (which is not part of the bulb). -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Now that we have identified that my bulbs are MR-16:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.13.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.15.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.16.jpg Can you advise me on the lowest-energy / energy-saving-light-bulb-like bulbs that I can purchase for the socket type that I have. Or are the bulbs am using the cheapest/lowest-energy I can use? I prefer using the energy-saving light bulbs (11W, etc.) Bayonet B22 or ES base fitting. Is it possible getting a convertor from the current sockets I have, or do I have to get an electrician to replace the sockets? Best regards Kevin Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article .com, "KevinGPO" writes: Please take a look at these photographs of my halogen light bulbs. The only thing written on them are 12V 50W and some brand name. Please can someone help me identify the proper code name for them. Thanks! http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.13.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.15.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/kevingpo/...9-06_20.16.jpg They're MR16's probably (including a ruler in the picture would help). In some cases, they've still got the lampholder's retaining ring attached to them (which is not part of the bulb). -- Andrew Gabriel |
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KevinGPO writes Can you advise me on the lowest-energy / energy-saving-light-bulb-like bulbs that I can purchase for the socket type that I have. Or are the bulbs am using the cheapest/lowest-energy I can use? You could theoretically install 12V 20W lamps in the same style, but depending on the type of transformer and the loading, the voltage may rise slightly. If it's 11.5V to start with then that may not be much of an issue. Have you any idea if it's a separate transformer per light or if there's a common transformer? Another option would be to install the LED version of the lamp, but their output is very low and the white tends to be rather harsh. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com |
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KevinGPO wrote:
Now that we have identified that my bulbs are MR-16: Can you advise me on the lowest-energy / energy-saving-light-bulb-like bulbs that I can purchase for the socket type that I have. Or are the bulbs am using the cheapest/lowest-energy I can use? There are halogen lamps with a heat reflecting coating around the bulb. The same light output is achieved with lower energy consumption. In your case you can replace a 50 W lamp with a "new generation" 35 W lamp. Such lamps are manufactured by Osram and Philips for example: http://www.osram.com/products/genera...irc_range.html http://www.osram.com/pdf/service_corner/irc_range.pdf http://www.lighting.philips.com/in_e...terline_es.pdf Beware that MR16 halogen lamps are available in different beam angles (spot, flood, wide flood, very wide flood). More savings could be achieved with compact fluorescent lamps, but they have other dimensions. Christian. |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:43:12 +0100, "Christian Koch"
wrote: KevinGPO wrote: Now that we have identified that my bulbs are MR-16: Can you advise me on the lowest-energy / energy-saving-light-bulb-like bulbs that I can purchase for the socket type that I have. Or are the bulbs am using the cheapest/lowest-energy I can use? There are halogen lamps with a heat reflecting coating around the bulb. The same light output is achieved with lower energy consumption. In your case you can replace a 50 W lamp with a "new generation" 35 W lamp. Such lamps are manufactured by Osram and Philips for example: and were invented by scientists and engineers at GE. -- Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com To reply via e-mail: replace xxx with vdr in the Reply to: address or use e-mail address listed at the Web site. This information is provided for educational purposes only. It may not be used in any publication or posted on any Web site without written permission. |
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