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Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc!
Who is with me? Lets bring back Maggie! |
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Whether one agreed or disagreed with what she said or did, there was
never any confusion over where she stood on an issue. It seems that being definitive is no longer a valued political attribute. |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000,it is alleged that andymason79
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! Who is with me? Lets bring back Maggie! 10 years ago I would have said you were entirely barking. Now, I am with you. By the way.. there are rules? grin fx=moves toaster to cover new socket in kitchen -- The follies which a man regrets most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000, andymason79
wrote: Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! Who is with me? Lets bring back Maggie! I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot might make some sense. -- Frank Erskine Sunderland |
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In article , andymason79
writes Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! Who is with me? Lets bring back Maggie! -- andymason79 Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will be the least of your worries :-/ -- fred Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: [snip] Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will be the least of your worries :-/ Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the nuker won't fix :-) -- The follies which a man regrets most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland |
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"andymason79" wrote in message ... Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! We need more judging by the shoddy cowboy work going on. Who is with me? Only lunatics. Lets bring back Maggie! Yes. let's have mass poverty and deprivation for all except the super rich. Yes. that will put us all right. Yes, that is what we all need. Was there a full moon recently? |
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"andy hall" aka Matt wrote in message oups.com... Whether one agreed or disagreed with what she said or did, there was never any confusion over where she stood on an issue. Yep, always the wrong stance, as the poverty and deprivation showed. It seems that being definitive is no longer a valued political attribute. Intelligence, and common sense is better. |
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"Chip" wrote in message n.net... On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000,it is alleged that andymason79 spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! Who is with me? Lets bring back Maggie! 10 years ago I would have said you were entirely barking. Now, I am with you. So, you have turned barking in your old age too? By the way.. there are rules? grin fx=moves toaster to cover new socket in kitchen You should be locked up. |
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"Frank Erskine" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000, andymason79 wrote: Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! Who is with me? Lets bring back Maggie! I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot might make some sense. Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again. Oh, the good old days. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... [ re current HMG ] snip Intelligence, and common sense is better. What, after yesterdays fiasco's? FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!... |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... "andymason79" wrote in message ... Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! We need more judging by the shoddy cowboy work going on. Oh I agree, t'will make you unemployable though!... |
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VOT: All these damn rules controlling every aspect of life!
In article t, Chip
writes On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: [snip] Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will be the least of your worries :-/ Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the nuker won't fix :-) Ok, VOT but: The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about: Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time Failure to provide information demanded by the government Failure to submit to fingerprinting Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal circumstances (including change of address) Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or defective card Failure to renew a card Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment. 1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/ -- fred Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla |
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Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again.
But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty there (and elsewhere) by bringing supply and demand for labour back into balance: something that over-strong unions had been resisting for years. We now have full employment; something the Germans and French can only dream of. And why? endemic supply and demand imbalances, and an over-regulating state. These things tend to take decades to work through, which is why the benefits derived from the 1979 administration only really started to be seen in the late eighties and nineties, and the damage caused by the Blair administration (over-regulation, pension-fund raiding, government-sector over-manning) will take another decade to show through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards. |
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Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again.
But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty there (and elsewhere) by bringing supply and demand for labour back into balance: something that over-strong unions had been resisting for years. We now have full employment; something the Germans and French can only dream of. And why? they suffer from endemic supply and demand imbalances, and an over-regulating state. These things tend to take decades to work through, which is why the benefits derived from the 1979 administration only really started to be seen in the late eighties and nineties, and the damage caused by the Blair administration over-regulation, pension-fund raiding, government-sector over-manning) will take another decade to show through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards. |
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... [ re current HMG ] snip Intelligence, and common sense is better. What, after yesterdays fiasco's? FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!... Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... [ re current HMG ] snip Intelligence, and common sense is better. What, after yesterdays fiasco's? FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!... Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking. A majority of ONE in a prime HMG Bill, it's there in the records, I know you don't like facts but... Oh, and the withdrawal of an even more prime part of the said Bill, 'run rabbits, run'... |
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"Cenfus" wrote in message ups.com... Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again. But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty there (and elsewhere) My God!! Not another one. by bringing supply and demand for labour back into balance: something that over-strong unions had been resisting for years. My God!! He is on about unions and all. Not another one. The right wing press since WW2 has made the unions the bogy men of the British economy. Thatcher effectively ended the unions. All was going to be hunky dory and what happened? The economy kept sliding still. So it wasn't unions after all. It was incompetent management, of which Britain was famed for, and political system that favours privilege (Public school/Oxbridge and all that. Paxman puts the public schools and their influence as the cause of the post WW2 decline of the UK) We now have full employment; Not due to Thatcher. If you think that get professional help. something the Germans and French can only dream of. And why? endemic supply and demand imbalances, and an over-regulating state. Nonsense. These things tend to take decades to work through, which is why the benefits derived from the 1979 administration only really started to be seen in the late eighties and nineties, You are deluded. and the damage caused by the Blair administration (over-regulation, pension-fund raiding, government-sector over-manning) will take another decade to show through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards. Damage? The longest rate of economic growth in history. And this turkey says Thatcher did it. Please get help. |
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... "andymason79" wrote in message ... Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc! We need more judging by the shoddy cowboy work going on. Oh I agree, t'will Jerry what is a twill? |
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"Cenfus" wrote in message ups.com... Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again. But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty snip drivel The greatest legacy the UK ever had was North Sea oil. Instead of using it to promote industry, and advancement, education, etc; set the tone for the future, as Norway did. Thatcher squandered the lot on paying the unemployed on half baked economic theories that clearly were not working...but ...the lady is not for turning. She was a incompetent idiot, with a crowd of yes men around her. Anyone who opposed was flung out. Blair and Brown have done wonders to get the UK where it is, when you consider the mess they inherited. The best government I have ever know in the UK, by a mile. |
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... [ re current HMG ] snip Intelligence, and common sense is better. What, after yesterdays fiasco's? FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!... Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking. A majority Jerry, please get help. |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" writes: "Cenfus" wrote in message oups.com... [22 lines snipped] We now have full employment; Not due to Thatcher. If you think that get professional help. Oh, the irony. Any old irony? |
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... [ re current HMG ] snip Intelligence, and common sense is better. What, after yesterdays fiasco's? FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!... Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking. A majority of ONE in a prime HMG Bill, it's there in the records, I know you don't like facts but... And; we actually know the name of the ONE:- it transpires that the MP who's vote saved 'Tony' was a certain David Blunkett - 'I haven't done nothing wrong!"- who returned to the Common's lobby to vote for the government -without his vote it would've been a tie. Oh, and the withdrawal of an even more prime part of the said Bill, 'run rabbits, run'... 'in Office but not in Power ... ' __ Brian |
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Frank Erskine wrote:
I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot might make some sense. Yes, keep playing the game, the duopoly game. Lab pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense" Con pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense" Rinse & Repeat. Regrettably I dont have a full solution. NT |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... "Cenfus" wrote in message ups.com... snip and the damage caused by the Blair administration (over-regulation, pension-fund raiding, government-sector over-manning) will take another decade to show through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards. Damage? The longest rate of economic growth in history. And this turkey says Thatcher did it. Please get help. I doubt that there will be many (self respecting) political historians who will disagree with "Cenfus", economic growth is not like a tungsten light bulb being switched on - more like a sodium bulb - a dim glimmer of light slowly develops into a bright light over time. You might be right in your suggestion that it wasn't the economic policy put in place by Thatcher that has caused the present economic growth but *will* have been that put in place by Mayor. All the present Government has done is spend the wealth generated from it... Time will tell if this administration has been economically successful in their own right. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip What, after yesterdays fiasco's? FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!... Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking. A majority Jerry, please get help. It's you who needs help - in maths by the looks of it - a majority of ONE, that is one more than no majority and considering that they *should* be able to *expect* a majority of 66... |
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"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip Oh, and the withdrawal of an even more prime part of the said Bill, 'run rabbits, run'... 'in Office but not in Power ... ' I must admit to nearly spitting a mouthful of coffee over the TV when he came out with that phrase, a certain irony in it... |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... We now have full employment; Not due to Thatcher. If you think that get professional help. Has anyone actually looked at how many unemployed there are? There are lots and there is noway we have full employment. Tony may have adjusted the figures but he hasn't supplied any jobs. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... "Cenfus" wrote in message ups.com... Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again. But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty snip drivel The greatest legacy the UK ever had was North Sea oil. Instead of using it to promote industry, and advancement, education, etc; set the tone for the future, as Norway did. Thatcher squandered the lot on paying the unemployed on half baked economic theories that clearly were not working...but ....the lady is not for turning. Err well, seeing that countries like Germany and France might well have to go through the same economic / industry reforms that the UK went through in the early '80's I'm not at all sure if it was squandered - it could be, that perticular Thaterright policy was ahead of it's time. IOW, north aea oil was what allowed us to get a head start. She was a incompetent idiot, with a crowd of yes men around her. Anyone who opposed was flung out. Hmm, sounds familiar, Blair meet Thatcher, Thatcher meet Blair... Blair and Brown have done wonders to get the UK where it is, when you consider the mess they inherited. The best government I have ever know in the UK, by a mile. But then you are only a 17 year old counter bod... |
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Brian Sharrock wrote: And; we actually know the name of the ONE:- it transpires that the MP who's vote saved 'Tony' was a certain David Blunkett - 'I haven't done nothing wrong!"- who returned to the Common's lobby to vote for the government -without his vote it would've been a tie. In which case, the Speaker would have exercised his casting vote in favour of the Government of the day. Ties are always resolved in favour of the Government. ob d-i-y: Would d-i-y government be anarchy? Regards, Sid |
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"fred" wrote in message ... In article t, Chip writes On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: [snip] Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will be the least of your worries :-/ Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the nuker won't fix :-) Ok, VOT but: The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about: Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time Failure to provide information demanded by the government Failure to submit to fingerprinting Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal circumstances (including change of address) Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or defective card Failure to renew a card Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment. 1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/ Right down to the television cameras watching the streets of our towns and motorists! What we need is a political group with the determination to cut state interference with our lives not the present crews ever increasing intrusion |
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In article .com,
wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot might make some sense. Yes, keep playing the game, the duopoly game. Lab pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense" Con pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense" Rinse & Repeat. Regrettably I dont have a full solution. The present government do. You may have noticed that they are not playing that game. That's why there is no opposition. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip What, after yesterdays fiasco's? FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!... Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking. A majority Jerry, please get help. It's Jerry, please get help. |
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In article ws.net,
:::Jerry:::: wrote: Err well, seeing that countries like Germany and France might well have to go through the same economic / industry reforms that the UK went through in the early '80's I'm not at all sure if it was squandered - it could be, that perticular Thaterright policy was ahead of it's time. IOW, north aea oil was what allowed us to get a head start. Destroying your industry is *not* reform. Spending your capital on unemployment benefit is *not* good sense. Most of what Thatcher did was damaging to the country. Some of it was nasty, vindictive, murderous, and in any equitable society she would have been hung, drawn, and quartered before she became senile. OK Arguably that would have been before she became PM but that's not an argument that I'd accept. She was sane at the time of her crimes. Bad - but not mad. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... "Cenfus" wrote in message ups.com... snip and the damage caused by the Blair administration (over-regulation, pension-fund raiding, government-sector over-manning) will take another decade to show through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards. Damage? The longest rate of economic growth in history. And this turkey says Thatcher did it. Please get help. I doubt that there will be many (self respecting) political historians who will disagree with "Cenfus", economic growth is not like a tungsten light bulb being switched on - more like a sodium bulb - a dim glimmer of light slowly develops into a bright light over time. You might be right in your suggestion that it wasn't the economic policy put in place by Thatcher that has caused the present economic growth but *will* have been that put in place by Mayor. That is it. Jerry please get professional help. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message .uk... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... We now have full employment; Not due to Thatcher. If you think that get professional help. Has anyone actually looked at how many unemployed there are? There are lots and there is noway we have full employment. A skills mismatch. We are desperately short of building skills. |
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... "Cenfus" wrote in message ups.com... Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again. But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty snip drivel The greatest legacy the UK ever had was North Sea oil. Instead of using it to promote industry, and advancement, education, etc; set the tone for the future, as Norway did. Thatcher squandered the lot on paying the unemployed on half baked economic theories that clearly were not working...but ...the lady is not for turning. Err well, seeing that countries like Germany and France might well have to go through the same economic / industry reforms that the UK went through in the early '80's I'm not at all sure if it was squandered He is doing it gain. Jerry please get professional help. |
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"John" wrote in message ... "fred" wrote in message ... In article t, Chip writes On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: [snip] Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will be the least of your worries :-/ Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the nuker won't fix :-) Ok, VOT but: The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about: Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time Failure to provide information demanded by the government Failure to submit to fingerprinting Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal circumstances (including change of address) Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or defective card Failure to renew a card Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment. 1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/ Right down to the television cameras watching the streets of our towns and motorists! What we need is a political group with the determination to cut state interference with our lives not the present crews ever increasing intrusion What might that be? |
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In article ,
John wrote: What we need is a political group with the determination to cut state interference with our lives not the present crews ever increasing intrusion That leads to reduced inspections on farms and abbattoirs; guess what happens? If you're thinking of gas, electricity and building - I'd probably agree; but it's better than not being able to afford to get someone else to do the work - or even DIY - because your mortgage payments have just doubled. I'll stick with the present lot, thanks - and tell them to think again on the bits that inconvenience me. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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"John Cartmell" wrote in message ... In article , John wrote: What we need is a political group with the determination to cut state interference with our lives not the present crews ever increasing intrusion That leads to reduced inspections on farms and abbattoirs; guess what happens? Since I grew up without all the "essential" inspectors and controls and survived I just don't believe they are needed now! We didn't have livestock being crammed into sheds under government led inspected conditions. We did have food wrapped in plain paper at point of sale. We did have healthy immunity to various bacteria. Need I go on? If you're thinking of gas, electricity and building - I'd probably agree; but it's better than not being able to afford to get someone else to do the work - or even DIY - because your mortgage payments have just doubled. I'll stick with the present lot, thanks - and tell them to think again on the bits that inconvenience me. Your chances of this control freak led lot even thinking of listening are somewhere below the chances of a snowball surviving in hell. I think Blair is a liar and his deputy a buffoon. At least he is now down one crony for a while. |
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