Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation, ventalation, poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!

Whether one agreed or disagreed with what she said or did, there was
never any confusion over where she stood on an issue.

It seems that being definitive is no longer a valued political
attribute.

"andy hall" aka Matt wrote in message
oups.com...

Whether one agreed or disagreed with what she said or did, there was
never any confusion over where she stood on an issue.

Yep, always the wrong stance, as the poverty and deprivation showed.

It seems that being definitive is no longer a valued political
attribute.

Intelligence, and common sense is better.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

[ re current HMG ]
snip

Intelligence, and common sense is better.


What, after yesterdays fiasco's?

FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!...

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

[ re current HMG ]
snip

Intelligence, and common sense is better.


What, after yesterdays fiasco's?

FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!...

Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

[ re current HMG ]
snip

Intelligence, and common sense is better.


What, after yesterdays fiasco's?

FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!...

Jerry, I know you are hard of thinking.


A majority of ONE in a prime HMG Bill, it's there in the records, I
know you don't like facts but...

Oh, and the withdrawal of an even more prime part of the said Bill,
'run rabbits, run'...

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....a6eca8056c82e#

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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message

eenews.net...

[ re current HMG ]
snip

Intelligence, and common sense is better.

What, after yesterdays fiasco's?

FFS they can't even get their own MP's to support them!...


Of course, Maggie was fully supported by HER M.P.s, wasn't she? FFS,
even that load of over privileged prats realised that she was as mad as
a fish, and should be dumped ASAP!

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000,it is alleged that andymason79
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:


Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!

10 years ago I would have said you were entirely barking. Now, I am
with you.

By the way.. there are rules? grin

fx=moves toaster to cover new socket in kitchen

--
The follies which a man regrets most in his life are those
which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity.
- Helen Rowland

"Chip" wrote in message
n.net...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000,it is alleged that andymason79
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:


Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!

10 years ago I would have said you were entirely barking. Now, I am
with you.

So, you have turned barking in your old age too?

By the way.. there are rules? grin

fx=moves toaster to cover new socket in kitchen

You should be locked up.

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000, andymason79
wrote:


Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!

I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot
might make some sense.

--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000, andymason79
wrote:


Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!

I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot
might make some sense.

Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again. Oh, the
good old days.

Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again.


But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty there (and
elsewhere) by bringing supply and demand for labour back into balance:
something that over-strong unions had been resisting for years.
We now have full employment; something the Germans and French can only
dream of. And why? endemic supply and demand imbalances, and an
over-regulating state.
These things tend to take decades to work through, which is why the
benefits derived from the 1979 administration only really started to be
seen in the late eighties and nineties, and the damage caused by the
Blair administration (over-regulation, pension-fund raiding,
government-sector over-manning) will take another decade to show
through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards.

"Cenfus" wrote in message
ups.com...

Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again.

But the Thatcher Administration effectively
ended poverty there (and elsewhere)

My God!! Not another one.

by bringing supply and demand for
labour back into balance:
something that over-strong unions
had been resisting for years.

My God!! He is on about unions and all. Not another one. The right wing
press since WW2 has made the unions the bogy men of the British economy.
Thatcher effectively ended the unions. All was going to be hunky dory and
what happened? The economy kept sliding still. So it wasn't unions after
all. It was incompetent management, of which Britain was famed for, and
political system that favours privilege (Public school/Oxbridge and all
that. Paxman puts the public schools and their influence as the cause of
the post WW2 decline of the UK)

We now have full employment;

Not due to Thatcher. If you think that get professional help.

something the Germans and French can only
dream of. And why? endemic supply
and demand imbalances, and an
over-regulating state.

Nonsense.

These things tend to take decades
to work through, which is why the
benefits derived from the 1979
administration only really started to be
seen in the late eighties and nineties,

You are deluded.

and the damage caused by the
Blair administration (over-regulation,
pension-fund raiding, government-sector
over-manning) will take another decade to show
through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards.

Damage? The longest rate of economic growth in history. And this turkey
says Thatcher did it. Please get help.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...
"Cenfus" wrote in message
ups.com...

snip

and the damage caused by the
Blair administration (over-regulation,
pension-fund raiding, government-sector
over-manning) will take another decade to show
through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards.

Damage? The longest rate of economic growth in history. And this
turkey
says Thatcher did it. Please get help.


I doubt that there will be many (self respecting) political
historians who will disagree with "Cenfus", economic growth is not
like a tungsten light bulb being switched on - more like a sodium
bulb - a dim glimmer of light slowly develops into a bright light
over time. You might be right in your suggestion that it wasn't the
economic policy put in place by Thatcher that has caused the present
economic growth but *will* have been that put in place by Mayor. All
the present Government has done is spend the wealth generated from
it... Time will tell if this administration has been economically
successful in their own right.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

We now have full employment;

Not due to Thatcher. If you think that get professional help.


Has anyone actually looked at how many unemployed there are?
There are lots and there is noway we have full employment.

Tony may have adjusted the figures but he hasn't supplied any jobs.

"Cenfus" wrote in message
ups.com...
Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again.


But the Thatcher Administration
effectively ended poverty

snip drivel

The greatest legacy the UK ever had was North Sea oil. Instead of using it
to promote industry, and advancement, education, etc; set the tone for the
future, as Norway did. Thatcher squandered the lot on paying the unemployed
on half baked economic theories that clearly were not working...but ...the
lady is not for turning. She was a incompetent idiot, with a crowd of yes
men around her. Anyone who opposed was flung out.

Blair and Brown have done wonders to get the UK where it is, when you
consider the mess they inherited.

The best government I have ever know in the UK, by a mile.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Cenfus" wrote in message
ups.com...
Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland
again.


But the Thatcher Administration
effectively ended poverty

snip drivel

The greatest legacy the UK ever had was North Sea oil. Instead of
using it
to promote industry, and advancement, education, etc; set the tone
for the
future, as Norway did. Thatcher squandered the lot on paying the
unemployed
on half baked economic theories that clearly were not working...but
....the
lady is not for turning.

Err well, seeing that countries like Germany and France might well
have to go through the same economic / industry reforms that the UK
went through in the early '80's I'm not at all sure if it was
squandered - it could be, that perticular Thaterright policy was
ahead of it's time. IOW, north aea oil was what allowed us to get a
head start.

She was a incompetent idiot, with a crowd of yes
men around her. Anyone who opposed was flung out.

Hmm, sounds familiar, Blair meet Thatcher, Thatcher meet Blair...


Blair and Brown have done wonders to get the UK where it is, when
you
consider the mess they inherited.

The best government I have ever know in the UK, by a mile.


But then you are only a 17 year old counter bod...

On 3 Nov 2005 04:02:34 -0800, "Cenfus" wrote:


We now have full employment; something the Germans and French can only
dream of.

Huh? Isn't unemployment running at 25% ATM even with the massaged
figures?

--
Warning: Do not look directly into laser with remaining eye.

Frank Erskine wrote:

I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot
might make some sense.

Yes, keep playing the game, the duopoly game.

Lab pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Con pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Rinse & Repeat.

Regrettably I dont have a full solution.


NT

In article .com,
wrote:
Frank Erskine wrote:

I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot
might make some sense.

Yes, keep playing the game, the duopoly game.

Lab pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Con pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Rinse & Repeat.

Regrettably I dont have a full solution.

The present government do. You may have noticed that they are not playing that
game. That's why there is no opposition.

--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

John Cartmell wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
Frank Erskine wrote:

I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot
might make some sense.

Yes, keep playing the game, the duopoly game.

Lab pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Con pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Rinse & Repeat.

Regrettably I dont have a full solution.

The present government do. You may have noticed that they are not playing that
game. That's why there is no opposition.

threy playing it to the max.

Theres no opposition becuase the cons are currently so incompetent they
cant even work out what the problem is

NT

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
snip

The present government do. You may have noticed that they are not
playing that
game. That's why there is no opposition.


If the Tories have got it so wrong over the last twenty odd years why
is the leadership of the current (new) Labour copying Tory policy and
not the pushing the policies of old Labour?....

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
snip

The present government do. You may have noticed that they are not
playing that
game. That's why there is no opposition.


If the Tories have got it so wrong over the last twenty odd years why
is the leadership of the current (new) Labour copying Tory policy and
not the pushing the policies of old Labour?....

Jerry, you are confused. New Lab doens't want people living on the streets.

In article .com,
writes
Frank Erskine wrote:

I'm not sure about Maggie, but somebody other than this current lot
might make some sense.

Yes, keep playing the game, the duopoly game.

Lab pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Con pushes the electorate as far as it can, until eventually everyone
says "somebody other than this current lot might make some sense"

Rinse & Repeat.

Yes, "same trough, different pigs"
--
David

In article , andymason79
writes

Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation,
poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!


--
andymason79

Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will
be the least of your worries :-/
--
fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:

[snip]

Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will
be the least of your worries :-/

Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the
nuker won't fix :-)

--
The follies which a man regrets most in his life are those
which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity.
- Helen Rowland

In article t, Chip
writes
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:

[snip]

Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will
be the least of your worries :-/

Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the
nuker won't fix :-)

Ok, VOT but:
The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about:

Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time
Failure to provide information demanded by the government
Failure to submit to fingerprinting
Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal
circumstances (including change of address)
Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or
defective card
Failure to renew a card

Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment.

1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/
--
fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article t, Chip
writes
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:

[snip]

Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances
will
be the least of your worries :-/

Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the
nuker won't fix :-)

Ok, VOT but:
The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about:

Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time
Failure to provide information demanded by the government
Failure to submit to fingerprinting
Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal
circumstances (including change of address)
Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or
defective card
Failure to renew a card

Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment.

1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/

Right down to the television cameras watching the streets of our towns and
motorists!

What we need is a political group with the determination to cut state
interference with our lives not the present crews ever increasing intrusion

"John" wrote in message
...

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article t, Chip
writes
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:

[snip]

Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little
annoyances
will
be the least of your worries :-/

Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the
nuker won't fix :-)

Ok, VOT but:
The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about:

Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time
Failure to provide information demanded by the government
Failure to submit to fingerprinting
Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal
circumstances (including change of address)
Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or
defective card
Failure to renew a card

Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment.

1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/

Right down to the television cameras watching the streets of our towns and
motorists!

What we need is a political group with the determination to cut state
interference with our lives not the present crews ever increasing
intrusion

What might that be?

In article ,
John wrote:
What we need is a political group with the determination to cut state
interference with our lives not the present crews ever increasing intrusion

That leads to reduced inspections on farms and abbattoirs; guess what happens?

If you're thinking of gas, electricity and building - I'd probably agree; but
it's better than not being able to afford to get someone else to do the work -
or even DIY - because your mortgage payments have just doubled. I'll stick
with the present lot, thanks - and tell them to think again on the bits that
inconvenience me.

--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

In message , fred writes
In article t, Chip
writes
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:15:18 GMT,it is alleged that fred
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:

[snip]

Wait 'til you've got your ID card matey, those trivial little annoyances will
be the least of your worries :-/

Nah, there's nothing on the ID card that 15 seconds on high in the
nuker won't fix :-)

Ok, VOT but:
The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about:

Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time
Failure to provide information demanded by the government
Failure to submit to fingerprinting
Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal
circumstances (including change of address)
Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or
defective card
Failure to renew a card

Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment.

1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/

I sincerely hope you signed up with no2id

--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
news
In message , fred writes

snip

1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/

I sincerely hope you signed up with no2id


Do you honestly believe that Blair and Co. will take any notice of a
web petition when they don't even take note of what Parliament says?
:~(

Now, should it be a 'holiday home' in France or Spain...

In article , raden
writes
In message , fred writes

The card is the tip of the iceberg, think more about:

Failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time
Failure to provide information demanded by the government
Failure to submit to fingerprinting
Failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal
circumstances (including change of address)
Failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or
defective card
Failure to renew a card

Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment.

1984 + 21 = 2005, ooh, George Orwell has come of age :-/

I sincerely hope you signed up with no2id

With views like those, how could I not have signed ;-|.

Now, pass me the designs for those DIY barricades.
--
fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla

"andymason79" wrote in message
...

Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

We need more judging by the shoddy cowboy work going on.

Who is with me?

Only lunatics.

Lets bring back Maggie!

Yes. let's have mass poverty and deprivation for all except the super rich.
Yes. that will put us all right. Yes, that is what we all need.

Was there a full moon recently?

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"andymason79" wrote in message
...

Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork,
insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

We need more judging by the shoddy cowboy work going on.


Oh I agree, t'will make you unemployable though!...

Yes, someone who can bring mass poverty back to Sunderland again.


But the Thatcher Administration effectively ended poverty there (and
elsewhere) by bringing supply and demand for labour back into balance:
something that over-strong unions had been resisting for years.
We now have full employment; something the Germans and French can only
dream of. And why? they suffer from endemic supply and demand
imbalances, and an over-regulating state.
These things tend to take decades to work through, which is why the
benefits derived from the 1979 administration only really started to be
seen in the late eighties and nineties, and the damage caused by the
Blair administration over-regulation, pension-fund raiding,
government-sector over-manning) will take another decade to show
through in lower productivity, wealth and living standards.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"andymason79" wrote in message
...

Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork,
insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

We need more judging by the shoddy cowboy work going on.


Oh I agree, t'will

Jerry what is a twill?

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000, andymason79
wrote:


Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!


Great idea! That old witch started the decline of our country - bring
her back and let her finish it off? I think not.

Kill the witch! Kill the witch!

--
Warning: Do not look directly into laser with remaining eye.

"Geoffrey" wrote in message
...
snip

Kill the witch! Kill the witch!


Isn't there a film called '(the) Blair Witch' or some such title?...

"Geoffrey" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:30:12 +0000, andymason79
wrote:


Especially building, gas, electric, windows, steelwork, insulation,
ventalation, poop pipes etc!

Who is with me?

Lets bring back Maggie!

Great idea! That old witch started the decline of our country - bring
her back and let her finish it off? I think not.

Kill the witch! Kill the witch!

I would go along with that.