We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a
hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter. We assumed it was rats and have put down
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place. Never seen
anything moving day or night.

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the
little perishers?

Dave

In article ,
says...
We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a
hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter. We assumed it was rats and have put down
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place. Never seen
anything moving day or night.

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the
little perishers?

Why, what harm is it doing?

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
says...
We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed
a
hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter. We assumed it was rats and have put down
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place. Never
seen
anything moving day or night.

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of
the
little perishers?

Why, what harm is it doing?

:-)

Mary

"david lang" wrote in message
k...
We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a
hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter. We assumed it was rats and have put down
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place. Never
seen anything moving day or night.

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the
little perishers?

Dave



How about sending a small motorised 4 wheel vehicle down the hole with an
appropriately sized camera mounted on it? Just like the one they used in the
pyramids?

I'm sure some of the guys here will offer advice in how to assemble such a
thing.

Or perhaps dangle a fishing rod down it with some scrummy bait on the end?

"RedOnRed" wrote in message
...

"david lang" wrote in message
k...
We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed
a hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter. We assumed it was rats and have put down
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place. Never



How about sending a small motorised 4 wheel vehicle down the hole with an
appropriately sized camera mounted on it? Just like the one they used in
the pyramids?

Easier than that, put a PIR detector out on the patio, connect to a camera
with flash to capture whatever it is.

In message , RedOnRed
writes

"david lang" wrote in message
. uk...
We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a
hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter. We assumed it was rats and have put down
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place. Never
seen anything moving day or night.

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the
little perishers?

Dave



How about sending a small motorised 4 wheel vehicle down the hole with an
appropriately sized camera mounted on it? Just like the one they used in the
pyramids?

I'm sure some of the guys here will offer advice in how to assemble such a
thing.

Ooh - built one of those years ago for a drainage company in Germany

.... but it was years ago

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geoff

"Huge" wrote in message
...
Rob Morley writes:
In article ,
says...
We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed
a
hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter. We assumed it was rats and have put down
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place. Never
seen
anything moving day or night.

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of
the
little perishers?

Why, what harm is it doing?

Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?

Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're never
morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to contract
Weils under normal circumstances.

Huge wrote:

Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?

Not with a 3 year old granddaughter playing near it.

Dave

Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're
never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to
contract Weils under normal circumstances.


You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.

In article , david lang
wrote:

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the
little perishers?

Why? What harm are they doing to you?

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In article , Huge
wrote:


Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?

A little paranoid if that's true? I'm sure wildlife wouldn't want some of
the diseases that humans carry.


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In article , david lang
wrote:
Huge wrote:

Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?

Not with a 3 year old granddaughter playing near it.

Perhaps just another layer of cotton wool then?

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In article , RedOnRed
wrote:

You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.

You can contract hepatitis simply by exposing a cut or graze to it. Is that
an excuse to go round murdering humans?

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"RedOnRed" wrote in message
...
Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're
never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to
contract Weils under normal circumstances.


You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.

That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in
your garden.

We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you know
who have contracted Weils?

Mary

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
. ..
In article , david lang
wrote:

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of
the
little perishers?

Why? What harm are they doing to you?

None. But, Andy, you must remember that some big strong men are terrified of
little things with long tails. Sometimes I think the bigger the man the more
irrational they are. And the smaller the creature the greater the effect on
those big strong men.

Mary

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"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"RedOnRed" wrote in message
...
Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're
never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to
contract Weils under normal circumstances.

You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.

That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in
your garden.

Not true, ANY exposure to rat urine can be enough. Just the kind of
thing someone working in a garden or children clambering around the
place could easily encounter.

We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you know
who have contracted Weils?

Two over a period of 20 years, neither contracted it from water and
although this was in an industrial location (pulling in cables in
underground ducts) the circumstances were similar to those encountered
in a domestic situation as mentioned above. Oh and one of the above
only in his 40's never worked again, the other who was much younger
was ok.

The only good rat is a dead one.


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Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:

Not with a 3 year old granddaughter playing near it.
Perhaps just another layer of cotton wool then?

:¬)

Point well made.

how do all those small kids survive in more hostile environments
like.... Australia!

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"Matt" wrote in message
...
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"RedOnRed" wrote in message
...
Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're
never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely
to
contract Weils under normal circumstances.

You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.

That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in
your garden.

Not true, ANY exposure to rat urine can be enough. Just the kind of
thing someone working in a garden or children clambering around the
place could easily encounter.

Well, as someone said, another layer of cotton wool should cope with that.
Or keeping the little darlings indoors where everything is100% safe.

We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you
know
who have contracted Weils?

Two over a period of 20 years, neither contracted it from water and
although this was in an industrial location (pulling in cables in
underground ducts) the circumstances were similar to those encountered
in a domestic situation as mentioned above. Oh and one of the above
only in his 40's never worked again, the other who was much younger
was ok.

The only good rat is a dead one.

So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country? It's estimated
that there are as many rats as people.

You know of two cases of Weils in twenty years. How many r ts do you think
have lived and died in that time?

Cats and dogs carry diseases and we're much closer to those ...



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Rusty wrote:

Easier than that, put a PIR detector out on the patio, connect to a camera
with flash to capture whatever it is.

For some reason I have the vision of the Jasper Carrott sketch featuring
an office stool, a shotgun and a torch.


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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:03:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


Why? What harm are they doing to you?

None. But, Andy, you must remember that some big strong men are terrified of
little things with long tails. Sometimes I think the bigger the man the more
irrational they are. And the smaller the creature the greater the effect on
those big strong men.

I agree. I am particularly terrified of smaller beasts. Every time I
see a mouse I jump onto the nearest table and scream continuously
until it has gone. By that time I am shaking and sobbing
uncontrollably. With spiders I am even worse. Once I was using a
chainsaw and I saw a small spider...I dropped the saw and cut my leg
off.

Mr F.

"Mr Fizzion" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:03:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


Why? What harm are they doing to you?

None. But, Andy, you must remember that some big strong men are terrified
of
little things with long tails. Sometimes I think the bigger the man the
more
irrational they are. And the smaller the creature the greater the effect
on
those big strong men.

I agree. I am particularly terrified of smaller beasts. Every time I
see a mouse I jump onto the nearest table and scream continuously
until it has gone. By that time I am shaking and sobbing
uncontrollably. With spiders I am even worse. Once I was using a
chainsaw and I saw a small spider...I dropped the saw and cut my leg
off.

Oh poor baby :-)

Well at least you had another one.

Mrs F

Mr F.

Rob Morley wrote:

Why, what harm is it doing?

None - yet, I just don't want the little b&stards running around on my patio
univited.

Since I'm bigger than they are and further up the food chain, they don't
have to do any harm - I just don't want them about.

Dave

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"Matt" wrote in message
.. .
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"RedOnRed" wrote in message
...
Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're
never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely
to
contract Weils under normal circumstances.

You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.

That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in
your garden.

Not true, ANY exposure to rat urine can be enough. Just the kind of
thing someone working in a garden or children clambering around the
place could easily encounter.

Well, as someone said, another layer of cotton wool should cope with that.
Or keeping the little darlings indoors where everything is100% safe.

We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you
know
who have contracted Weils?

Two over a period of 20 years, neither contracted it from water and
although this was in an industrial location (pulling in cables in
underground ducts) the circumstances were similar to those encountered
in a domestic situation as mentioned above. Oh and one of the above
only in his 40's never worked again, the other who was much younger
was ok.

The only good rat is a dead one.

So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?

Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...


--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
...


The only good rat is a dead one.

So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?

Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...

Will it surprise you to knowthat I already can?

But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...

Mary


--
geoff

"david lang" wrote in message
. uk...
Rob Morley wrote:

Why, what harm is it doing?

None - yet, I just don't want the little b&stards running around on my
patio univited.

Since I'm bigger than they are and further up the food chain, they don't
have to do any harm - I just don't want them about.

Tell them then. Put up a notice.

But your mention of the food chain bothers me - dop you eat rat? Or anything
which does?

Mary

Dave

Mary Fisher wrote:

Tell them then. Put up a notice.

Too stupid to read probably.

But your mention of the food chain bothers me - dop you eat rat? Or
anything which does?

Interesting point - do rats have natural predators - apart from me that is?

Dave

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"raden" wrote in message
...


The only good rat is a dead one.

So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?

Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...

Will it surprise you to knowthat I already can?

But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...

.... But we all know of your skills with a sewing machine, you have no
excuse

--
geoff

In message , david lang
writes
Rob Morley wrote:

Why, what harm is it doing?

None - yet, I just don't want the little b&stards running around on my patio
univited.

Since I'm bigger than they are and further up the food chain, they don't
have to do any harm - I just don't want them about.

America constantly makes that sort of mistake

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geoff

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
Will it surprise you to know that I already can?

I'm sure you have superb tongue technique ...

Oh yes, it's notorious.

But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...

... and Spouse is hunched over his Bernina making you one as a reward.

No, it wouldn't suit me. I'm absolutely the wrong shape.

But we did buy some patent leather today ...

:-)

Mary

Owain

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Mary Fisher
writes

"raden" wrote in message
...


The only good rat is a dead one.

So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?

Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...

Will it surprise you to know that I already can?

But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...

... But we all know of your skills with a sewing machine, you have no
excuse

You're confused. My skill is with a needle, I never touch theBernina. Spouse
is the one with the fancy machine.

Get it right - Owain did!

Mary

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geoff

"david lang" wrote in message
. uk...
Mary Fisher wrote:

Tell them then. Put up a notice.

Too stupid to read probably.

But your mention of the food chain bothers me - do you eat rat? Or
anything which does?

Interesting point - do rats have natural predators - apart from me that
is?

No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher food
chain.

Mary

Dave

Mary Fisher wrote:

No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
food chain.

In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast? Since they
have no positive points I can think of and more than a few negative points
(black death etc) why don't we just eliminate the *******s?

Lets wipe them out! I might start a one issue political party!!

Dave

"david lang" wrote in message
. ..
Mary Fisher wrote:

No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
food chain.

In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?

er - what use is any creature - including Man?

Since they have no positive points I can think of and more than a few
negative points (black death etc) why don't we just eliminate the
*******s?

How many people do you know who have suffered from Black Death? And there's
even some doubt about the link with rats now.

Lets wipe them out! I might start a one issue political party!!

Go on then.

yawn

:-)

Mary

Dave

in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"david lang" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
food chain.

In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?

er - what use is any creature - including Man?


Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
wiping out every other species on the planet?

Bob Martin wrote:

Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
wiping out every other species on the planet?

Errrm. Would it be............rats?

Dave

In article ,
says...
in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"david lang" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
food chain.

In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?

er - what use is any creature - including Man?


Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
wiping out every other species on the planet?

A primate whose capacity for technological advance outpaced its social
development and ecological understanding - probably an evolutionary
dead-end.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"david lang" wrote in message
k...
Mary Fisher wrote:

No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
food chain.

In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?

er - what use is any creature - including Man?


Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
wiping out every other species on the planet?

I'm gald you said that.

It's not rats.

Mary

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
says...
in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"david lang" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
food chain.

In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?

er - what use is any creature - including Man?


Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
wiping out every other species on the planet?

A primate whose capacity for technological advance outpaced its social
development and ecological understanding - probably an evolutionary
dead-end.

I wish I could have said that!

Mary

Bob Martin wrote:


Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
wiping out every other species on the planet?

Americans


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