In sci.chem Joe Smith wrote:

: In the can of lighter fuel it refers to "petrol lighters".

Are you sure that it doesn't say "petroleum ether"?

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"Joe Smith" wrote in message
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I got a small can of cigarette lighter fuel (the liquid stuff) to use
as a solvent to dissolve the adhesive used in items like foam "sticky
pads".

In the can of lighter fuel it refers to "petrol lighters".

Does this mean that for my purpose I could have simply used some
orinary car petrol?

Or is lighter fuel made of a different composition to car petrol?


Lighter fuel is more refined than car petrol, but you can use normal petrol
as a solvent as well of course. Paraffin is also a good solvent for
adhesives, along with liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Does this mean that for my purpose I could have simply used some
orinary car petrol?

Put simply, yes. Petrol is commonly used as a cleaning fluid. For
occassional cleaning purpose, it is more convenient as lighter fluid than a
2l minimum purchase of unleaded into a sealed container.

Or is lighter fuel made of a different composition to car petrol?

For the purpose intended, the differences are negligible.

Christian.

BigWallop wrote:

Lighter fuel is more refined than car petrol, but you can use normal petrol
as a solvent as well of course. Paraffin is also a good solvent for
adhesives, along with liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Liquid butane and propane eh?

Why do you persist in posting utter crap about things which you really
don't understand?


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Grunff

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:

Lighter fuel is more refined than car petrol, but you can use normal
petrol
as a solvent as well of course. Paraffin is also a good solvent for
adhesives, along with liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Liquid butane and propane eh?

Why do you persist in posting utter crap about things which you really
don't understand?

Grunff

STFU!!!! Pedantic old git!!!! If you don't understand it, then it's wrong?
Then you should do more research on things used as solvents.

BigWallop wrote:

STFU!!!! Pedantic old git!!!! If you don't understand it, then it's wrong?
Then you should do more research on things used as solvents.


You're an idiot, and you don't know when to quit.


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Grunff

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:

STFU!!!! Pedantic old git!!!! If you don't understand it, then it's
wrong?
Then you should do more research on things used as solvents.


You're an idiot, and you don't know when to quit.

Grunff


OK then. Bye Now!!!! Don't let the door hit your arse as you leave. :-)
LOL

BigWallop wrote:
"Joe Smith" wrote in message
...
I got a small can of cigarette lighter fuel (the liquid stuff) to use
as a solvent to dissolve the adhesive used in items like foam "sticky
pads".

In the can of lighter fuel it refers to "petrol lighters".

Does this mean that for my purpose I could have simply used some
orinary car petrol?

Or is lighter fuel made of a different composition to car petrol?


Lighter fuel is more refined than car petrol, but you can use normal petrol
as a solvent as well of course. Paraffin is also a good solvent for
adhesives, along with liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

You like working under high pressure in the cold?

MBQ

Paraffin is also a good solvent for adhesives, along with
liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Butane and propane are gaseous on this planet. Unless you're planning to put
the items in question actually inside the pressurised container.

Christian.

In uk.d-i-y Christian McArdle wrote:
Paraffin is also a good solvent for adhesives, along with
liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Butane and propane are gaseous on this planet. Unless you're planning to put
the items in question actually inside the pressurised container.

Butane is liquid on a fair proportion of the planet.

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
. net...
Paraffin is also a good solvent for adhesives, along with
liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Butane and propane are gaseous on this planet. Unless you're planning to
put
the items in question actually inside the pressurised container.

Christian.


Everyone seems to be taking this the wrong way. I mean a squirt of butane
or propane from the can on to a stained item can help to dissolved and clean
the stain off.

Why the hell does everyone take things in the purely scientific scheme in
here. Things don't have to be broken down to the science of their workings
all the time, and it is mostly sufficient to make a statement that will work
without having to go into the pure science of how the stain is actually
created in the fibres of the item all the time.

Advice on things that work, as long as it's safe advice, is what this group
is all about. Why are all you scientist not doing some research work during
the day or night anyway? I think it's because you're all "know it alls" and
no one will work alongside you all.

A little squirt of from a can of butane on to a stain can help in removing
it. I know this works because I've used it on many occasions. I've never
had to take the item in to a pressure chamber so I can make the butane or
propane stay as a liquid, I've never had to because a simple little squirt
from a can has always been enough.

Now please, get a real life all of you. :-)

In article , "Joe Smith"
says...
I got a small can of cigarette lighter fuel (the liquid stuff) to use
as a solvent to dissolve the adhesive used in items like foam "sticky
pads".

In the can of lighter fuel it refers to "petrol lighters".

Does this mean that for my purpose I could have simply used some
orinary car petrol?

Or is lighter fuel made of a different composition to car petrol?

Petrol has additives - lighter fuel is pure petroleum distillate.

BigWallop wrote:

Now please, get a real life all of you. :-)

If we had a life, do you think we'd be talking to you?

"BigWallop" wrote in message
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"Grunff" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:

STFU!!!! Pedantic old git!!!! If you don't understand it, then it's
wrong?
Then you should do more research on things used as solvents.


You're an idiot, and you don't know when to quit.

Grunff


OK then. Bye Now!!!! Don't let the door hit your arse as you leave. :-)
LOL



Leaving all that aside, how does one use propane or butane as solvents,
given that they are actually gases unless they are compressed in a cylinder
thereby rendering them liquid? When you open the cylinder tap, they emerge
as gases.

Rob Graham

"PC Paul" wrote in message
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BigWallop wrote:

Now please, get a real life all of you. :-)

If we had a life, do you think we'd be talking to you?


My point exactly. Thanks for that PC Paul. :-)) Someone with a bit sense
at last. LOL

"Rob graham" wrote in message
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"BigWallop" wrote in message
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"Grunff" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:

STFU!!!! Pedantic old git!!!! If you don't understand it, then it's
wrong?
Then you should do more research on things used as solvents.


You're an idiot, and you don't know when to quit.

Grunff


OK then. Bye Now!!!! Don't let the door hit your arse as you leave.
:-)
LOL



Leaving all that aside, how does one use propane or butane as solvents,
given that they are actually gases unless they are compressed in a
cylinder
thereby rendering them liquid? When you open the cylinder tap, they emerge
as gases.

Rob Graham


So you've never used the ice crystals which form as a stain remover either
then? When you do, get back to me and tell me your scientific findings
please. Remember though, I mark down for spelling errors and not showing
the full working properly. :-) LOL

Does it really have to stay liquid for years to be used a simple cleaning
solvent? Well I never.

The message
from Grunff contains these words:

Lighter fuel is more refined than car petrol, but you can use normal
petrol
as a solvent as well of course. Paraffin is also a good solvent for
adhesives, along with liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Liquid butane and propane eh?

Why do you persist in posting utter crap about things which you really
don't understand?

I've used liquid butane as a solvent for gum before now. Works fine if
you're quick enoughl.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

The message
from "Rob graham" contains these words:

Leaving all that aside, how does one use propane or butane as solvents,
given that they are actually gases unless they are compressed in a cylinder
thereby rendering them liquid? When you open the cylinder tap, they emerge
as gases.

If you pour 'em out into a jar they'll stay liquid for some time,
merrily boiling away as they absorb energy from the surroundings to
achieve their latent heat of evaporation. During this stage it's quite
possible to use them as liquid solvents, and very effective they can be,
too. You can even use 'em on a rag, provided it's not warm, and of
course, the surface you're cleaning will have to be cold too - but it
soon will be anyway.

I used to spend happy hours wasting the family's supply of Camping Gaz
like this as a kid.

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Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Rob graham" contains these words:

Leaving all that aside, how does one use propane or butane as solvents,
given that they are actually gases unless they are compressed in a
cylinder
thereby rendering them liquid? When you open the cylinder tap, they
emerge
as gases.

If you pour 'em out into a jar they'll stay liquid for some time,
merrily boiling away as they absorb energy from the surroundings to
achieve their latent heat of evaporation. During this stage it's quite
possible to use them as liquid solvents, and very effective they can be,
too. You can even use 'em on a rag, provided it's not warm, and of
course, the surface you're cleaning will have to be cold too - but it
soon will be anyway.

I used to spend happy hours wasting the family's supply of Camping Gaz
like this as a kid.

Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."



But you can't tell the scientist in here that GK. It's far to complicated
for them to understand. :-) LOL

If you get one of those adhesives that stubbornly refuses to budge, might I
suggest eucalyptus oil, available from any chemists shop - works a treat -
and doesn't vapourise in a split second like one or two of the suggested
solvents.
Clears the nostrils at the same time, and relieves cold symptoms as well ,
:-)

Hugh

BigWallop wrote:

Why the hell does everyone take things in the purely scientific scheme in
here.

If in here, you mean :
uk.d-i-y,uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.rec.cars.misc then I dunno.

But over on sci.chem, that's what the newsgroup is all about. Read the
charter for the group in question before you crosspost. You can edit
out groups even as you reply.

The message
from "Hugh" contains these words:

Clears the nostrils at the same time, and relieves cold symptoms as well

K and N will be flogging it next "Helps you car breathe easily".

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In article , "Guy King"
says...
The message
from "Rob graham" contains these words:

Leaving all that aside, how does one use propane or butane as solvents,
given that they are actually gases unless they are compressed in a cylinder
thereby rendering them liquid? When you open the cylinder tap, they emerge
as gases.

If you pour 'em out into a jar they'll stay liquid for some time,
merrily boiling away as they absorb energy from the surroundings to
achieve their latent heat of evaporation. During this stage it's quite
possible to use them as liquid solvents, and very effective they can be,
too. You can even use 'em on a rag, provided it's not warm, and of
course, the surface you're cleaning will have to be cold too - but it
soon will be anyway.

I used to spend happy hours wasting the family's supply of Camping Gaz
like this as a kid.


I once acidentally broke the nozzle from a can of lighter gas, and
rather than have it squirt everywhere (or freeze my fingers trying to
stop it) I tipped it into a milk bottle that was handy - then took it
outside and lit it, where it burned like the eternal flame for quite
a while before it all boiled off.

In article , Guy King wrote:
If you pour 'em out into a jar they'll stay liquid for some time,
merrily boiling away as they absorb energy from the surroundings to
achieve their latent heat of evaporation.

Doesn't this turn the surrounding area into an unexploded bomb?

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The message
from Tony Bryer contains these words:

If you pour 'em out into a jar they'll stay liquid for some time,
merrily boiling away as they absorb energy from the surroundings to
achieve their latent heat of evaporation.

Doesn't this turn the surrounding area into an unexploded bomb?

Potentially, yes. There can be a rather steep learning curve regarding
fire precautions. In practice, outdoors and avoiding outrageous
quantities (no buckets full) then it's mostly OK.

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Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:21:12 +0100, Guy King
wrote:

The message
from Grunff contains these words:

Lighter fuel is more refined than car petrol, but you can use normal
petrol
as a solvent as well of course. Paraffin is also a good solvent for
adhesives, along with liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Liquid butane and propane eh?

Why do you persist in posting utter crap about things which you really
don't understand?

I've used liquid butane as a solvent for gum before now. Works fine if
you're quick enoughl.

Same here. If you spray enough on, you don't even need to be that
quick. Watch out for frostbite though!

Cheers,

Colin.

"Guy King" wrote in message
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The message
from Tony Bryer contains these words:

If you pour 'em out into a jar they'll stay liquid for some time,
merrily boiling away as they absorb energy from the surroundings to
achieve their latent heat of evaporation.

Doesn't this turn the surrounding area into an unexploded bomb?

Potentially, yes. There can be a rather steep learning curve regarding
fire precautions. In practice, outdoors and avoiding outrageous
quantities (no buckets full) then it's mostly OK.


In a well ventilated area, and without going overboard as GK says, then
it's not a really dangerous situation. In such small quantities, as would
be used for a small stain removal job, it evaporates off far to quickly to
allow it to linger around.

I found out about it being a good solvent from a clock maker. They use it
to remove grease and things from the clock working, but it evaporates so
quickly not to cause damp that catches further dust and dirt deposits again.

wrote in message
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BigWallop wrote:

Why the hell does everyone take things in the purely scientific scheme
in
here.

If in here, you mean :
uk.d-i-y,uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.rec.cars.misc then I dunno.

But over on sci.chem, that's what the newsgroup is all about. Read the
charter for the group in question before you crosspost. You can edit
out groups even as you reply.


Extremely sorry Sir. I didn't mean to cause offence amongst the other
groups. I did of course mean the uk.d-i-y group only. Please accept my
sincerest apologies.

On 21 Jul 2005 15:22:39 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Butane and propane are gaseous on this planet. Unless you're
planning to put the items in question actually inside the
pressurised container.

Butane is liquid on a fair proportion of the planet.

If you are thinking of the deep ocean deposits I think you'll find
they are methane and solid.

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"Joe Smith" wrote in message
...
I got a small can of cigarette lighter fuel (the liquid stuff) to use
as a solvent to dissolve the adhesive used in items like foam "sticky
pads".

In the can of lighter fuel it refers to "petrol lighters".

Does this mean that for my purpose I could have simply used some
orinary car petrol?

Or is lighter fuel made of a different composition to car petrol?

It's usually butane gas IIRC.

In uk.d-i-y Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 21 Jul 2005 15:22:39 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Butane and propane are gaseous on this planet. Unless you're
planning to put the items in question actually inside the
pressurised container.

Butane is liquid on a fair proportion of the planet.

If you are thinking of the deep ocean deposits I think you'll find
they are methane and solid.

Actually, anywhere where the temperature is below about 0C.

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Rob graham" contains these words:

Leaving all that aside, how does one use propane or butane as solvents,
given that they are actually gases unless they are compressed in a
cylinder
thereby rendering them liquid? When you open the cylinder tap, they
emerge
as gases.

If you pour 'em out into a jar they'll stay liquid for some time,
merrily boiling away as they absorb energy from the surroundings to
achieve their latent heat of evaporation. During this stage it's quite
possible to use them as liquid solvents, and very effective they can be,
too. You can even use 'em on a rag, provided it's not warm, and of
course, the surface you're cleaning will have to be cold too - but it
soon will be anyway.

I used to spend happy hours wasting the family's supply of Camping Gaz
like this as a kid.


Whats it like in Space?

arthur

In Space, you poke your smoke out
into the solar wind, but just a tiny bit
else you mighy lose your fag as well
as your hand, eh?


Atty (a.k.a. Atty :-)

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:55:30 GMT, "BigWallop"
wrote:

you can use normal petrol as a solvent

Don't use petrol as a solvent. Apart from the explosion hazard (which
is very real), since they took the lead out the replacements are _far_
worse as acute toxins.

along with liquid butane, propane etc. etc.

Liquid ? What's the pressure on your planet ?

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:29:10 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

Butane is liquid on a fair proportion of the planet.

If you are thinking of the deep ocean deposits I think you'll find
they are methane and solid.

Butane refuses to vapourise in the winter, hence the popularity of
propane.

Still not a viable liquid solvent though - your fingers would keep
freezing to things.

On 21 Jul 2005 22:25:57 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Butane is liquid on a fair proportion of the planet.

If you are thinking of the deep ocean deposits I think you'll find
they are methane and solid.

Actually, anywhere where the temperature is below about 0C.

FX Google... You live an learn. My new fact for today boiling point
of Butane at 1.013 bar ("normal" atmospheric pressure) is -0.5C.

Mind you I don't recall seeing puddles of butane about last winter...

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Cheers
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In uk.d-i-y Andy Dingley wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:29:10 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

Butane is liquid on a fair proportion of the planet.

If you are thinking of the deep ocean deposits I think you'll find
they are methane and solid.

Butane refuses to vapourise in the winter, hence the popularity of
propane.

Still not a viable liquid solvent though - your fingers would keep
freezing to things.

I have used it for some things. But, keeping it in the freezer while
it does its job is not ideal.
(Especially as you have to be very aware of the fuel-air mixture in
the freezer)

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from "Arthur" contains these words:

I used to spend happy hours wasting the family's supply of Camping Gaz
like this as a kid.


Whats it like in Space?

Even at an early age I was clever enough to do it outdoors! As a
teenager it never occured to us to sniff glue - we made our own
chloroform instead. I'm not sure I can remember how, now - wonder why
I've forgotten....

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

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from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words:

Mind you I don't recall seeing puddles of butane about last winter...

And I thought glue-sniffers were really cool...

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Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

John Redman wrote:

Or is lighter fuel made of a different composition to car petrol?


It's usually butane gas IIRC.

Different sort of lighter.... The OP was talking about the type with a
wick that use flint spark ignition only, and then stay lit until you
close the cap on them. These are quite different from the normal gas
lighters.

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Cheers,

John.

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