The floorboards are up at home and I am ready to buy a truckload of
cable for domestic structured wiring.

But which cable? In 15 years time, will a Dixons shop assistant laugh
at me when I tell him that I want to run his megabandwidth HDTV over a
CAT5e cable?

I'm leaning towards CAT6 but terminating it with standard RJ45 wall
plates as an interim solution. Might pull in a few optic fibres too if
I feel lucky.

Will I be able to connect phones into the CAT6 cable without a problem?
(I know CAT5e is OK for PSTN.)

Also what distance should the CAT6 be separated from CT100 cable?

I know that this has been discussed in previous threads but I want to
see if the view has changed now that the price of high bandwidth cable
has fallen.

"Pandora" wrote in message
ups.com...
The floorboards are up at home and I am ready to buy a truckload of
cable for domestic structured wiring.

But which cable? In 15 years time, will a Dixons shop assistant laugh
at me when I tell him that I want to run his megabandwidth HDTV over a
CAT5e cable?

I'm leaning towards CAT6 but terminating it with standard RJ45 wall
plates as an interim solution. Might pull in a few optic fibres too if
I feel lucky.

Will I be able to connect phones into the CAT6 cable without a problem?
(I know CAT5e is OK for PSTN.)

Also what distance should the CAT6 be separated from CT100 cable?


The category of cabling is not determined just by the quality of the
components used.. You can use a Cat6 system from end to end, but if its not
laid and tested correctly, then it wont meet the category standard..

Having said that, in a home situation, I cant really see it making that much
of a diference..

Go for Cat 6, as the cost of the cable is only a bit more expensive than cat
5... Cat 6 can handle higher frequencies (and thuis higher bitrates) than
cat 5, but AFAIK there arent any applications that require this as yet..

I quite happily connect gigabit kit up with cat5e systems with no problems
at all..

And yes, telephones will work quite happily over cat 6 cable, as long as
youve got the right adapters..

On 18 Jul 2005 06:02:31 -0700, Pandora wrote:

I'm leaning towards CAT6 but terminating it with standard RJ45 wall
plates as an interim solution. Might pull in a few optic fibres too
if I feel lucky.

The majority of the cost of cabling is getting access and installing.
The cable is cheap, bung in the best you can afford and lots of it.
Think about probably uses of areas, now and future, when the babies
have grown to school kids or the kids have left home. I'd go for an
absolute minimum of 1 RF and two network cables to every room in the
house.

I'd also make provision for moderately pain free access to the cable
routes if at all possible, 3x3" or 4x4" ducts with draw strings etc.

I can't think that one needs to woory undely about keeping CT100 away
from network cabling. The regs have somethings to say about low
volatge stuff and mains though, not the same compartment in ducting
and 50mm (or is 100mm?) separation without a barrier.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Be smart and put in plastic trunking (or whatever it's called) in a
structured manner. That way you won't have to worry about what to
do when your wiring needs an upgrade. This guy for example won't
have any problems rewiring his house:

http://mhuys.free.fr/chantier/murscloisons/gaines3.htm

I however will, despite the fact that my house was wired from scratch
two years ago, before I bought it. All my electric wires are well and
truly fixed and can't be pulled a mm either way, probably making any
future rewiring a complete nightmare, although hopefully that won't
be my problem then :-( ...

Pandora wrote:
The floorboards are up at home and I am ready to buy a truckload of
cable for domestic structured wiring.

But which cable? In 15 years time, will a Dixons shop assistant laugh
at me when I tell him that I want to run his megabandwidth HDTV over a
CAT5e cable?

I'm leaning towards CAT6 but terminating it with standard RJ45 wall
plates as an interim solution. Might pull in a few optic fibres too if
I feel lucky.

Will I be able to connect phones into the CAT6 cable without a problem?
(I know CAT5e is OK for PSTN.)

Also what distance should the CAT6 be separated from CT100 cable?

I know that this has been discussed in previous threads but I want to
see if the view has changed now that the price of high bandwidth cable
has fallen.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:22:26 +0000 (UTC), cs
wrote:

This guy for example won't
have any problems rewiring his house:

http://mhuys.free.fr/chantier/murscloisons/gaines3.htm

I have never understood why modern houses don't come with artificial
ceilings, as fitted in most offices thse days?

That way pipes, cables and ducts can simply be routed without having
to lift floorboards or cut/drill joists.

Unfortunately, in out house the ceilings are too low, otherwise I
would have done this when we moved in.

sponix

In message ,
(s--p--o--n--i--x) wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:22:26 +0000 (UTC), cs
wrote:

This guy for example won't
have any problems rewiring his house:

http://mhuys.free.fr/chantier/murscloisons/gaines3.htm

I have never understood why modern houses don't come with artificial
ceilings, as fitted in most offices thse days?

That way pipes, cables and ducts can simply be routed without having
to lift floorboards or cut/drill joists.

Unfortunately, in out house the ceilings are too low, otherwise I
would have done this when we moved in.

Precisely.

Two things:

Houses are usually given planning permission which has a stipulation
about overall height or height-to-ridge. If you have to allow an extra
six inches (or whatever) on each floor for the false ceiling, then this
ridge height could become excessive.

A taller house (for the same floor area) costs more to build.

Hwyl!

M.

--
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Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology
.... It is fatal to live too long.

Pandora wrote:

The floorboards are up at home and I am ready to buy a truckload of
cable for domestic structured wiring.

But which cable? In 15 years time, will a Dixons shop assistant laugh
at me when I tell him that I want to run his megabandwidth HDTV over a
CAT5e cable?

Yes.

The world is going wireless.

Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking gear and
some DECT 'phones.



I'm leaning towards CAT6 but terminating it with standard RJ45 wall
plates as an interim solution. Might pull in a few optic fibres too if
I feel lucky.

Will I be able to connect phones into the CAT6 cable without a problem?
(I know CAT5e is OK for PSTN.)

Also what distance should the CAT6 be separated from CT100 cable?

I know that this has been discussed in previous threads but I want to
see if the view has changed now that the price of high bandwidth cable
has fallen.

--
Steve Jones
I.S.Technology Ltd

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:51:15 +0100, Steve Jones wrote:

The world is going wireless.

Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking
gear ...

But makes sure you configure it correctly and follow all the security
advice.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:51:15 +0100, Steve Jones wrote:

The world is going wireless.

Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking
gear ...

But makes sure you configure it correctly and follow all the security
advice.

Spoilsport.
There are three open ones that I use for few minutes every few days when I
am shopping that I find quite useful.

I did think about changing the password on one of them but decided against
it.

In article , Steve Jones
writes
Pandora wrote:

The floorboards are up at home and I am ready to buy a truckload of
cable for domestic structured wiring.

But which cable? In 15 years time, will a Dixons shop assistant laugh
at me when I tell him that I want to run his megabandwidth HDTV over a
CAT5e cable?

Yes.

The world is going wireless.

Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking gear and
some DECT 'phones.

And hope that not too many people are doing the same thing nearby....

--
Tony Sayer

Steve Jones wrote:

Pandora wrote:


The floorboards are up at home and I am ready to buy a truckload of
cable for domestic structured wiring.

But which cable? In 15 years time, will a Dixons shop assistant laugh
at me when I tell him that I want to run his megabandwidth HDTV over a
CAT5e cable?


Yes.

The world is going wireless.

No, the consumer world is going wireless, but its a far less resilient
technology than wires...or optical fibres.

Which is why real engineers trying to do real broadband laugh at
wireless most, then twisted pair, but go all glowy when they talk
monomode fiber..:-)


Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking gear and
some DECT 'phones.

waste of money.

Ive got 6 20 quid phones on a 300 quid PABX coupled to doorphones, and
CAT 5 everywhere.

No interference, no neighbours snooping my conversations or my networks
and rock solid performance.

And because its unfashionable, you can get wired broadband routers for
peanuts. And analog phones AND analog PABX's..


You can get more data down one fiber than you can down the entire radio
spectrum of the world..

But wahetever you put in today will be oboslete tomorrow, which is why I
put in what is obsolescent today but still totally adequate for my
current and projected future needs.

The money I save will go on whatever technology is obsolesecent in 10
years time when I need to upgrade :-)

Steve Jones wrote:

But which cable? In 15 years time, will a Dixons shop assistant laugh
at me when I tell him that I want to run his megabandwidth HDTV over a
CAT5e cable?
Yes.

The world is going wireless.

Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking gear and
some DECT 'phones.

Yes, but forget wireless at your "core". If you have the chance to
get your house wired properly then do that. Wireless is great for
convenience and no doubt you will put in a wireless access point as
well, but I *guarantee* that you will *truly* regret not putting down
a few wires if you have the chance to do so.

I have three wireless access points at my house, two Linksys WRT54GS
running firmware from www.sveasoft.com for my "home" network, and a
Cisco Aironet 350 connected to a Cisco 3002 VPN router for my "work"
connectivity, and I can seamlessly switch between the two from my
PC while sitting in my comfortable couch in my livingroom (different
SSIDs and channels). While I can stream MP3s and XVID movies over the
..11g home network, it's inadequate for other video formats like for
streaming video from my Nebula TV server (www.nebula-electronics.com)
to other PCs in my house.

Unfortunately when my house was refurbished the developer did not have
the foresight to wire my place properly, and this is really biting me
now. So in the very near future I will be starting the somewhat messy
job of cutting plasterboard walls and lifting floorboards to be able
to even get gigabit speeds to wherever I would need it.

cs wrote:

Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking gear
and some DECT 'phones.

Yes, but forget wireless at your "core". If you have the chance to
get your house wired properly then do that. Wireless is great for
convenience and no doubt you will put in a wireless access point as
well, but I *guarantee* that you will *truly* regret not putting down
a few wires if you have the chance to do so.

I don't agree.
For me, and most people, WiFi is perfectly adequate,
just as DECT phones are.
Drilling holes in ceilings is a thing of the past, TG.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:58:31 +0100,it is alleged that Timothy Murphy
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:

cs wrote:

Save yourself all the hassle and buy some 54Mb wireless networking gear
and some DECT 'phones.

Yes, but forget wireless at your "core". If you have the chance to
get your house wired properly then do that. Wireless is great for
convenience and no doubt you will put in a wireless access point as
well, but I *guarantee* that you will *truly* regret not putting down
a few wires if you have the chance to do so.

I don't agree.
For me, and most people, WiFi is perfectly adequate,
just as DECT phones are.
Drilling holes in ceilings is a thing of the past, TG.

This is why both options are available, opinions sharply differ.

I have DECT phones, but they're no longer actually _needed_ since I
installed cat5 everywhere last month, they'll be going in the bin[1]
as soon as I find some decent wired phones.

WiFi to me is an excellent idea for laptops, but fixed pcs will get a
nice cat5e patch cable into the wall.

[1] They're cheap and nasty ones, wouldn't sell them because it
wouldn't be a nice thing to do to someone, and yes, the plastic parts
will be going in the recycle bin.

--
The follies which a man regrets most in his life are those
which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity.
- Helen Rowland

Chip wrote:

I have DECT phones, but they're no longer actually _needed_ since I
installed cat5 everywhere last month, they'll be going in the bin[1]
as soon as I find some decent wired phones.

Everywhere?
In the garden?
In the loo?
In the attic?

In any case, what rational reason do you have for preferring wired phones?

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland