Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the link
below

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...clickfrom=name

or something similar? Are they any good? Any problems etc? Spare "Tubes"
available?

TIA

Sorry, this may be a better link.......but the Argos site is down and I
can't check it.

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...o.x=16&go.y=12

In article ,
Jim Crow wrote:
Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the link
below

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...clickfrom=name

or something similar? Are they any good? Any problems etc? Spare
"Tubes" available?

We use infra red heaters at work when it's impossible to heat the area by
normal means. They work well enough provided you're 'on axis'. Seem to be
reliable enough.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Hi Jim


Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the link
below

Only that they are maximum 2 kW and a gas one is about 11 kW. Would they
provide any useable heat outdoors? A kW is a kW is a kW.

Dave

David Lang wrote:

Only that they are maximum 2 kW and a gas one is about 11 kW. Would they
provide any useable heat outdoors? A kW is a kW is a kW.

But an electric one would be a much greater % of energy converted to IR
whereas a gas one would (I presume)have a wast majority of energy
converted to "ordinairy" ? heat.

I am just guessing at a logical explanation.
Hoever there is no reason it shouldn't work outdoors as IR won't get
"blown away" by the wind etc.

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David Lang wrote:

Only that they are maximum 2 kW and a gas one is about 11 kW. Would
they
provide any useable heat outdoors? A kW is a kW is a kW.

But an electric one would be a much greater % of energy converted to IR
whereas a gas one would (I presume)have a wast majority of energy
converted to "ordinairy" ? heat.

I am just guessing at a logical explanation.
Hoever there is no reason it shouldn't work outdoors as IR won't get
"blown away" by the wind etc.


I have seen a couple in garden centres (on). I wasn't really measuring but
hey seemed to give an equivalent amount (or more) of heat as a gas one in
one direction (more or less). A couple on a wall along a patio would
probably make a significant difference without occupying any footprint. They
might, of course, gently warm those the far side of a table and lobsterize
those closer!


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

In article ,
"Bob Mannix" writes:
I have seen a couple in garden centres (on). I wasn't really measuring but
hey seemed to give an equivalent amount (or more) of heat as a gas one in
one direction (more or less). A couple on a wall along a patio would
probably make a significant difference without occupying any footprint. They
might, of course, gently warm those the far side of a table and lobsterize
those closer!

The way global warming works is that on average they will heat the
whole world, but there are some parts which could get colder, such
as the UK if the Gulf Stream changed direction.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Jim Crow wrote:
Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the
link
below


http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...y?storeId=3D1=
0001&langId=3D-1&catalogId=3D3151&productId=3D118582&clickfrom=3D name

or something similar? Are they any good? Any problems etc? Spare
"Tubes"
available?

TIA


fring exensive for a halogen lamp. But these products always are, as
theyre basically wally purchases. Irresponsible I'd say. One could
easily make the same for about =A320.


NT

In message ,
"Jim Crow" wrote:

Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the link
below

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...clickfrom=name

or something similar? Are they any good? Any problems etc? Spare "Tubes"
available?


I've never used this kind of thing outdoors, but experience of them
indoors (church halls) would lead me to avoid them at all costs. The
idea of radiant heat is that it warms you, not the surroundings. Problem
is that when you move around you move through un-warmed air and thus
feel cold. On-axis they can roast, off-axis they might as well not be
on. If you have one, stand underneath a 500W halogen floodlight to
feel the effect. Mind you, I've not found gas patio heaters much better
in this respect.

I once heard an equally daft proposition. This was totally serious, by
the way, and not by way of a joke: have a microwave waveguide into each
room. People, being mainly water and fat would warm quite easily while
no heat would be wasted warming the walls and the furniture. In order to
avoid the problem of sitting on a cold sofa it was suggested that such
items could have thin bags of water incorporated. Blowed if I can
remember where I heard the idea, it was *years* ago. Probably on Radio
4, "Science Now" or something.

Hwyl!

M.

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Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology
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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
"Bob Mannix" writes:
I have seen a couple in garden centres (on). I wasn't really measuring but
hey seemed to give an equivalent amount (or more) of heat as a gas one in
one direction (more or less). A couple on a wall along a patio would
probably make a significant difference without occupying any footprint. They
might, of course, gently warm those the far side of a table and lobsterize
those closer!

The way global warming works is that on average they will heat the
whole world, but there are some parts which could get colder, such
as the UK if the Gulf Stream changed direction.

I don't think it will change direction, it will just shut down

--
geoff

wrote in message
oups.com...
Jim Crow wrote:
Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the
link
below


http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...clickfrom=name

or something similar? Are they any good? Any problems etc? Spare
"Tubes"
available?

TIA


fring exensive for a halogen lamp. But these products always are, as
theyre basically wally purchases. Irresponsible I'd say. One could
easily make the same for about £20.


NT

Hows about instructions and details where to buy the parts then...........
I can turn my hand to most things and would love to give it a try.
jim

In article ,
Martin Angove wrote:
I've never used this kind of thing outdoors, but experience of them
indoors (church halls) would lead me to avoid them at all costs. The
idea of radiant heat is that it warms you, not the surroundings. Problem
is that when you move around you move through un-warmed air and thus
feel cold. On-axis they can roast, off-axis they might as well not be
on.

Well, yes. But you can't heat outdoors, so you have to be in their beam.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 11 May 2005 11:56:16 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Crow wrote:
Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the link
below

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...clickfrom=name

or something similar? Are they any good? Any problems etc? Spare
"Tubes" available?

We use infra red heaters at work when it's impossible to heat the area by
normal means. They work well enough provided you're 'on axis'. Seem to be
reliable enough.

Well, it was very pleasant this evening sitting slightly "off-axis" of
the four quartz patio heaters under a canopy outside the pub this
evening, down by the riverside, quaffing a few real ales, and the dog
(Gromit) threatening to jump into the river...

No smokers around either.

Cheers!
--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland

Martin Angove wrote:
In message ,
"Jim Crow" wrote:

Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the
link
below


I've never used this kind of thing outdoors, but experience of them
indoors (church halls) would lead me to avoid them at all costs. The
idea of radiant heat is that it warms you, not the surroundings.
Problem
is that when you move around you move through un-warmed air and thus
feel cold. On-axis they can roast, off-axis they might as well not be
on. If you have one, stand underneath a 500W halogen floodlight to
feel the effect.

yup: theyre better than nothing, but thats about all. Decent heating
theyre not, in any way.


Mind you, I've not found gas patio heaters much better
in this respect.


I once heard an equally daft proposition. This was totally serious,
by
the way, and not by way of a joke: have a microwave waveguide into
each
room. People, being mainly water and fat would warm quite easily
while
no heat would be wasted warming the walls and the furniture. In order
to
avoid the problem of sitting on a cold sofa it was suggested that
such
items could have thin bags of water incorporated. Blowed if I can
remember where I heard the idea, it was *years* ago. Probably on
Radio
4, "Science Now" or something.

I take it youve not tried it then. Microwave heating works very well.
You do still have to heat the air in the room, but it can be to a much
lower temp, and still feel nice. Even 10C is ok, 14C nice and warm.
I've tried it, and its impressive. It also feels fresher because of the
cooler air, which is nice.

The only problem with microwave is safety concerns: we really dont know
what the effects are, hence whether there might be problems. It doesnt
look likely there are any, but obviously more certainty is needed than
that. If people get past the usual knee jerk reaction long enough to
study the topic, it might well become part of most future central
heating systems.


NT

On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:47:33 GMT, "Jim Crow"
wrote:

Anybody know anything about Quartz patio heaters ....... eg on the link
below

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...clickfrom=name

or something similar? Are they any good? Any problems etc? Spare "Tubes"
available?

TIA


Hi,

I find a thin fleece easier to install and has lower running costs.

cheers,
Pete.

Jim - if you want to get the a simialr/same thing a LOT cheaper - they
have them at Makro - I think =A340 - there may be a reduction for buying
2

I suppose using patio heaters might (just) be less destructive of the
planet's ecosystem than flying to somewhere warmer. Knit yourself a
jumper instead.

In message .com,
wrote:


The only problem with microwave is safety concerns: we really dont know
what the effects are, hence whether there might be problems. It doesnt
look likely there are any, but obviously more certainty is needed than
that. If people get past the usual knee jerk reaction long enough to
study the topic, it might well become part of most future central
heating systems.


People pump microwaves into their brains all the time. Mobile handsets
churn out up to 2W IIRC right behind your ear. The sorts of people who
are worried about phone masts at a couple of tens of Watts are going to
go apoplectic about an open microwave waveguide in the room spewing out
a couple of hundred Watts!

I've never quite understood how the same people who complain about masts
don't complain (much) about the phones themselves. Two things:

1: The closer you are to the transmitter, the lower the power your phone
uses. Stands to reason then that you'd want a fair number of
transmitters to reduce the power emitted by the phone directly into your
brain.

2: Inverse square law. Surely 2W in near contact with the skull is going
to transfer more energy into the brain than a few more Watts four
hundred yards away?

Hwyl!

M.

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I suppose using patio heaters might (just) be less destructive of the
planet's ecosystem than flying to somewhere warmer. Knit yourself a
jumper instead.

Really Helpful answer. Hope you walk everywhere.

In article ,
Martin Angove wrote:
2: Inverse square law. Surely 2W in near contact with the skull is going
to transfer more energy into the brain than a few more Watts four
hundred yards away?

I had an actor query the safety of the radio mic I was fitting to her with
an ERP of all of 20 mW. Had to ask her to remove her phone completely from
the other pocket. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Many thanks for all useful replies, still hoping for some "how to make my
own" instructions from NT )...........

Martin Angove wrote:
In message .com,
wrote:


The only problem with microwave is safety concerns: we really dont
know
what the effects are, hence whether there might be problems. It
doesnt
look likely there are any, but obviously more certainty is needed
than
that. If people get past the usual knee jerk reaction long enough
to
study the topic, it might well become part of most future central
heating systems.


People pump microwaves into their brains all the time. Mobile
handsets
churn out up to 2W IIRC right behind your ear. The sorts of people
who
are worried about phone masts at a couple of tens of Watts are going
to
go apoplectic about an open microwave waveguide in the room spewing
out
a couple of hundred Watts!

I've never quite understood how the same people who complain about
masts
don't complain (much) about the phones themselves. Two things:

Perhaps because they know jack s**t about the subject?

MBQ

Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
I suppose using patio heaters might (just) be less destructive of
the
planet's ecosystem than flying to somewhere warmer. Knit yourself
a
jumper instead.

Really Helpful answer. Hope you walk everywhere.

We will, when people like you have squandered all the energy.

MBQ

We have a chimera, metal one not ceramic. Mainly got it because I felled a
large silver birch and burning the timber is easyier than carting it to the
tip.

It really only keeps your legs warm and then only when you sit near it, but
it's really nice to watch the flames & smell the smoke - that make you feel
warmer!

Dave

In article . com,
wrote:
We will, when people like you have squandered all the energy.

Energy can be neither created or destroyed. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message

fring exensive for a halogen lamp. But these products always are, as
theyre basically wally purchases. Irresponsible I'd say. One could
easily make the same for about =A320.

Hows about instructions and details where to buy the parts
then...........
I can turn my hand to most things and would love to give it a try.
jim

I'd tell you, its easy enough, but your proposed purchase is
irresponsible and harebrained. Let you be taxed.

NT

Martin Angove wrote:

People pump microwaves into their brains all the time. Mobile
handsets
churn out up to 2W IIRC right behind your ear.

Yes, but at a different frequency, one not absorbed by brains to the
extent 2.4GHz is.

The thermal effects are basically a non-starter, a seat in the sun will
have way more thermal effect than any microwave heater. But microwave
rf does affect chemical reactions, and is to some extent an ionising
radiation.


The sorts of people who
are worried about phone masts at a couple of tens of Watts are going
to
go apoplectic about an open microwave waveguide in the room spewing
out
a couple of hundred Watts!

It certainly doesnt take 200w, youd be cooking at that sort of output.
I vaguely remember 5w on the one I tried.


I've never quite understood how the same people who complain about
masts
don't complain (much) about the phones themselves. Two things:

lack of thinking probably


NT

Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
I suppose using patio heaters might (just) be less destructive of
the
planet's ecosystem than flying to somewhere warmer. Knit yourself
a
jumper instead.

Really Helpful answer. Hope you walk everywhere.

cars are a huge benefit to our society, outdoor heaters are quite the
opposite.

NT

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article . com,
wrote:
We will, when people like you have squandered all the energy.

Energy can be neither created or destroyed. ;-)

Dunno, most of my energy's destroyed at the end of a hard day


--
geoff

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Energy can be neither created or destroyed. ;-)

What about an atomic bomb?

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wrote in message
oups.com...
Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message

fring exensive for a halogen lamp. But these products always are, as
theyre basically wally purchases. Irresponsible I'd say. One could
easily make the same for about £20.

Hows about instructions and details where to buy the parts
then...........
I can turn my hand to most things and would love to give it a try.
jim

I'd tell you, its easy enough, but your proposed purchase is
irresponsible and harebrained. Let you be taxed.

NT

It wasn't a proposed purchase, I asked the group if anyone knew anything
about them.
I got a few useful answers and a few pathetic ones.
If you really don't know how to make one for £20, just say so.
As the saying goes "Put up or Shut up".
jim

"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote in message
. uk...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Energy can be neither created or destroyed. ;-)

What about an atomic bomb?


What about it? Basic laws of physics aren't swept away because something's
"big"!



a

"al" wrote in message
k...
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote in message
. uk...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Energy can be neither created or destroyed. ;-)

What about an atomic bomb?


What about it? Basic laws of physics aren't swept away because
something's
"big"!

Assuming by basic you mean Newtonian then actually yes. Virtually all of
our 'on Earth' laws of physics are swept away near to or inside a black
hole.

In message ,
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Energy can be neither created or destroyed. ;-)

What about an atomic bomb?

An atomic bomb (of any type) is simply the most efficient way we yet
know to convert matter into energy. E=mc2 and all that. No energy is
created or destroyed in the process.

Hwyl!

M.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
We will, when people like you have squandered all the energy.

Energy can be neither created or destroyed. ;-)

.... but, more relevantly, entropy always increases.

--
Chris Green

Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message

fring exensive for a halogen lamp. But these products always are,
as
theyre basically wally purchases. Irresponsible I'd say. One could
easily make the same for about =A320.

Hows about instructions and details where to buy the parts
then...........
I can turn my hand to most things and would love to give it a try.
jim

I'd tell you, its easy enough, but your proposed purchase is
irresponsible and harebrained. Let you be taxed.

NT

It wasn't a proposed purchase, I asked the group if anyone knew
anything
about them.
I got a few useful answers and a few pathetic ones.
If you really don't know how to make one for =A320, just say so.
As the saying goes "Put up or Shut up".
jim

already said no

Mike wrote:
"al" wrote in message
k...
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote in message

What about an atomic bomb?

What about it? Basic laws of physics aren't swept away because
something's "big"!

Assuming by basic you mean Newtonian then actually yes. Virtually
all of
our 'on Earth' laws of physics are swept away near to or inside a
black
hole.

Sometimes we have threads like that.

NT

wrote in message
oups.com...
Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Jim Crow wrote:
wrote in message

fring exensive for a halogen lamp. But these products always are,
as
theyre basically wally purchases. Irresponsible I'd say. One could
easily make the same for about £20.

Hows about instructions and details where to buy the parts
then...........
I can turn my hand to most things and would love to give it a try.
jim

I'd tell you, its easy enough, but your proposed purchase is
irresponsible and harebrained. Let you be taxed.

NT

It wasn't a proposed purchase, I asked the group if anyone knew
anything
about them.
I got a few useful answers and a few pathetic ones.
If you really don't know how to make one for £20, just say so.
As the saying goes "Put up or Shut up".
jim

already said no

just as I thought then - all talk PLONK!!

raden wrote:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes

In article ,
"Bob Mannix" writes:

I have seen a couple in garden centres (on). I wasn't really
measuring but
hey seemed to give an equivalent amount (or more) of heat as a gas
one in
one direction (more or less). A couple on a wall along a patio would
probably make a significant difference without occupying any
footprint. They
might, of course, gently warm those the far side of a table and
lobsterize
those closer!


The way global warming works is that on average they will heat the
whole world, but there are some parts which could get colder, such
as the UK if the Gulf Stream changed direction.

I don't think it will change direction, it will just shut down

That is the real danger. The scandinaviations I know are really worried
about this. Their countries ( and the UK) could quickly become
un-inhabitable if global warming continues.

David Lang wrote:
We have a chimera, metal one not ceramic. Mainly got it because I felled a
large silver birch and burning the timber is easyier than carting it to the
tip.

It really only keeps your legs warm and then only when you sit near it, but
it's really nice to watch the flames & smell the smoke - that make you feel
warmer!

Dave

Why do peeps want to sit outside freezing in spring and autumn when they
can sit in their nicely centrally heated lounge and look at the garden?
Are they secretly pikeys at heart?