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On 2 Apr 2005 16:53:49 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , says... As a street bike rider, I'm always extremely aware of th' dangers looming in traffic. When th' family is in th' cage, it's pretty much a whisper or silence. I hate distractions. I take driving very serious and sure as hell wish more people would do so as well. I always thought that if I were to open an insurance agency, I would only sell car insurance to motorbike riders. :^) Interesting concept Jim. Makes me wonder how much lower those customers annual rates could go. You'd likely have yerself a gold mine. My solution is to have triple edged, razor sharp, barbed, serrated daggers coming out of th' steering wheel, pointed at th' drivers heart. They screw up, hook a tow truck up to whatever's left and haul it, carcass and all, to th' crusher. No seat belt laws, no cell phone laws, no speeding enforcement, just pure Darwinism should do 'er. Yep. Get rid of the airbags, ABS, etc. Hell, ya wouldn't even need to issue drivers licenses. Wouldn't take very long 'til Darwin got th' majority of 'em and traffic jams became a distant memory. That lady who went for a dunking now understands what it's like to screw up. The "ohnosec" which is the instant between when you realize you screwed up, and the moment between when you realize the natural consequences of your actions are *inevitable*. There's prolly a gubmint study done that found th' "ohnosec" to be th' exact time that feces started filling ones undergarments. All I can do is hope she actually learned something from her ohnosec experience... but I have my doubts. Snarl |
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On 2 Apr 2005 21:11:26 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , says... No Sir. 50mumblesumpthin' years old and I'm still wearing th' same sized pants as I did in high school, 32" w 34" inseam. My wife thinks I have worms. Well ya got me there. I wore a 34x34 and still do also. I remember you from rmh I think. Ditto. Heh, heh, I thought rmh had a bunch of off-topic stuff, they can't hold a candle to this place g. Do you ever drop in over there anymore? Have one on me (do they still do that?). Thanks, and yes indeed we do. And I'll be gettin' your next one. Wonder if we're gonna get booted out of here for drinkin' g. Take care Jim. Snarl |
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On 2 Apr 2005 16:53:49 -0800, the inscrutable jim rozen
spake: In article , says... As a street bike rider, I'm always extremely aware of th' dangers looming in traffic. When th' family is in th' cage, it's pretty much a whisper or silence. I hate distractions. I take driving very serious and sure as hell wish more people would do so as well. I always thought that if I were to open an insurance agency, I would only sell car insurance to motorbike riders. :^) Short term insurance at highest rates, eh?  My solution is to have triple edged, razor sharp, barbed, serrated daggers coming out of th' steering wheel, pointed at th' drivers heart. They screw up, hook a tow truck up to whatever's left and haul it, carcass and all, to th' crusher. No seat belt laws, no cell phone laws, no speeding enforcement, just pure Darwinism should do 'er. Yep. Get rid of the airbags, ABS, etc. No, ABS might keep them from rear ending us. BTDT, and the dock bumper on my F-150 shortened a Toyota wagon by about a foot. The trouble is making sure they're PAYING ATTENTION while they're behind the wheel. That lady who went for a dunking now understands what it's like to screw up. The "ohnosec" which is the instant between when you realize you screwed up, and the moment between when you realize the natural consequences of your actions are *inevitable*. I don't think she does. She didn't sound or act like she grokked it in the brief interview. I wish they'd asked her that question. --------------------------------------------------------------- Never put off 'til tomorrow | http://www.diversify.com what you can avoid altogether. | Dynamic Website Applications --------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:43:14 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On 2 Apr 2005 16:53:49 -0800, the inscrutable jim rozen spake: In article , says... As a street bike rider, I'm always extremely aware of th' dangers looming in traffic. When th' family is in th' cage, it's pretty much a whisper or silence. I hate distractions. I take driving very serious and sure as hell wish more people would do so as well. I always thought that if I were to open an insurance agency, I would only sell car insurance to motorbike riders. :^) Short term insurance at highest rates, eh? What brings you to that conclusion? My solution is to have triple edged, razor sharp, barbed, serrated daggers coming out of th' steering wheel, pointed at th' drivers heart. They screw up, hook a tow truck up to whatever's left and haul it, carcass and all, to th' crusher. No seat belt laws, no cell phone laws, no speeding enforcement, just pure Darwinism should do 'er. Yep. Get rid of the airbags, ABS, etc. No, ABS might keep them from rear ending us. BTDT, and the dock bumper on my F-150 shortened a Toyota wagon by about a foot. The trouble is making sure they're PAYING ATTENTION while they're behind the wheel. Which part of "triple edged, razor sharp, barbed, serrated daggers coming out of th' steering wheel, pointed at th' drivers heart." isn't going to help focus attention? Uh oh, looks like you weren't paying attention when ya read th' above g. Snarl -- Snarl AH#67 BS#37 SENS EKIII rides with me... |
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In article , Larry Jaques says...
I always thought that if I were to open an insurance agency, I would only sell car insurance to motorbike riders. :^) Short term insurance at highest rates, eh? The point was, I as a motorbike rider do all kinds of things to lower my risk of crashing. I do most of those things when I drive on four wheels, too. My guess is that motorbike riders are significantly under-represented in the car insurance claim department. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:25:52 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:56:45 -0700, the inscrutable spake: I would only sell car insurance to motorbike riders. :^) Short term insurance at highest rates, eh? What brings you to that conclusion? Logic? Flawed logic my friend, but understandably so. I'll get to that point inna minute. I believe that motorcyclists have a higher death rate than auto drivers + higher risk = higher rates. Jim was talking about providing *automobile* insurance coverage to people who also ride motorcycles. Motorcycle riders are generally *much* better automobile drivers than those who never have ridden. Truckers as well. Folks who need to worry about killing, or being killed, tend to pay attention more than th' oblivious soccer momma's. Actuarially, that fact is totally overlooked by insurance underwriters, hence Jim's million dollah idea. Now, back to your flawed logic. Statistics suck, so I won't go there. However, I'd like to ask you another question... what's th' major contributing factor to this "higher death rate" for motorcyclists that you speak of? Snarl |
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In article , Larry Jaques says...
Doh! It appears that I missed that paragraph entirely. My suggestion stands, though. ABS keep dumb drivers on the road and (hopefully) not plowing into us. Although, oddly, the SUV that ms. Over-the-Bridge was driving, probably *had* ABS. And yet she still went in the drink. How can this be? She was driving the biggest, heaviest, most safety-equipped car you can buy nowadays. You can even *imagine* her loved ones thinking 'gee, I'm sure glad Ms O-t-B is driving a Humongo Exploder. They're real safe." So what happened? She forgot she was driving. She forgot that ABS does not *create* traction out of thin air. She probably missed the fact that the road was slippery to start with, because the active stability control was compensating for the lack of traction. And the ABS was preventing the car from skidding when she used the brakes most of the time. She was on the damn *phone*. She wasn't paying attention to what the feedback from her car was telling her about the road conditions. Feedback like that's pretty much been eliminated in cars today. Systems that are designed to get drivers out of trouble, like ABS and active traction and stability control have one big problem: as long as they're working, the driver doesn't realize that road conditions have deteriorated. At some point the systems designed to help, run out of headroom in their feedback circuits. There's no window between when the brakes are applied, and the rotation sensors shows the wheel locked. There's no region in the phase diagram for the traction control to keep a wheel turning when it starts to slide. And of course, the irony is at that point the driver has about zero traction available to control the car. This is why ms. O-t-B took a one-way trip down the fast elevator. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 4 Apr 2005 05:58:18 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Larry Jaques says... Doh! It appears that I missed that paragraph entirely. My suggestion stands, though. ABS keep dumb drivers on the road and (hopefully) not plowing into us. Although, oddly, the SUV that ms. Over-the-Bridge was driving, probably *had* ABS. And yet she still went in the drink. How can this be? She was driving the biggest, heaviest, most safety-equipped car you can buy nowadays. You can even *imagine* her loved ones thinking 'gee, I'm sure glad Ms O-t-B is driving a Humongo Exploder. They're real safe." So what happened? She forgot she was driving. She forgot that ABS does not *create* traction out of thin air. She probably missed the fact that the road was slippery to start with, because the active stability control was compensating for the lack of traction. And the ABS was preventing the car from skidding when she used the brakes most of the time. She was on the damn *phone*. She wasn't paying attention to what the feedback from her car was telling her about the road conditions. Feedback like that's pretty much been eliminated in cars today. Systems that are designed to get drivers out of trouble, like ABS and active traction and stability control have one big problem: as long as they're working, the driver doesn't realize that road conditions have deteriorated. At some point the systems designed to help, run out of headroom in their feedback circuits. There's no window between when the brakes are applied, and the rotation sensors shows the wheel locked. There's no region in the phase diagram for the traction control to keep a wheel turning when it starts to slide. And of course, the irony is at that point the driver has about zero traction available to control the car. This is why ms. O-t-B took a one-way trip down the fast elevator. Jim Simply ignore all the other issues besides being on the phone. They dont count. Jim has previously declared that the proximate cause of the accident was the cell phone. Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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On 4 Apr 2005 05:41:44 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , says... Jim was talking about providing *automobile* insurance coverage to people who also ride motorcycles. Motorcycle riders are generally *much* better automobile drivers than those who never have ridden. Truckers as well. Ooh. I forgot about those guys too. OK, we'll include the trucker's, too! Time to start "Snarl's and Jim's Insurance Agency." Alrighty then, you line up some backing, I'll go down to Hooters to, uh, mmm, interview some gals for th' receptionists positions. Yeah, that's it. You watch, somebody's gonna take yer idea and run with it. They'd have an instant chunk of market share handed to 'em onna silver platter. Could be a pretty healthy slice O' de pie at that. Snarl |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:39:33 -0700, the inscrutable
spake: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:25:52 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:56:45 -0700, the inscrutable spake: I would only sell car insurance to motorbike riders. :^) Short term insurance at highest rates, eh? What brings you to that conclusion? Logic? Flawed logic my friend, but understandably so. I'll get to that point inna minute. Gotcha. I believe that motorcyclists have a higher death rate than auto drivers + higher risk = higher rates. Jim was talking about providing *automobile* insurance coverage to people who also ride motorcycles. Motorcycle riders are generally *much* better automobile drivers than those who never have ridden. Truckers as well. Folks who need to worry about killing, or being killed, tend to pay attention more than th' oblivious soccer momma's. Agreed. I learned how to CMA on a scoot early on (age 15-1/2) because I could ride one before I got my driver's license. I was a real mean ass on my Kawasaki street 90, lemme tell ya.  Actuarially, that fact is totally overlooked by insurance underwriters, hence Jim's million dollah idea. Hmmm, could be. Now, back to your flawed logic. Statistics suck, so I won't go there. However, I'd like to ask you another question... what's th' major contributing factor to this "higher death rate" for motorcyclists that you speak of? Unfortunately, the most common phrase given to Insurance companies and the cops at the scene of the accident is "I didn't see the motorcycle." with or without the "until it was too late." sigh The only time I dumped my bike was when some blue-haired old lady in a Cadidliac pulled out in front of me. I thank Buddha I was wearing a coat and helmet and was only going 35mph. I had a raspberry the size of an orange on my right elbow/forearm and my head hit her rear door so hard it broke the window. I walked away from it and still wear a helmet EVERY time I climb on a bike, though that has become rare. Then again, bikers (both dirt and street) are wild and crazy guys, too. That has to be 2nd. -- The clear and present danger of top-posting explored at: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html ------------------------------------------------------ http://diversify.com Premium Website Development |
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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:49:45 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:39:33 -0700, the inscrutable spake: random snippage happened Agreed. I learned how to CMA on a scoot early on (age 15-1/2) because I could ride one before I got my driver's license. I was a real mean ass on my Kawasaki street 90, lemme tell ya. Heh, me too. Actuarially, that fact is totally overlooked by insurance underwriters, hence Jim's million dollah idea. Hmmm, could be. Think about it. Insurance is basically a crap shoot. Them ****ers (I hate th' insurance racketeers) want th' least possible amount of risk. I'd bet m' first born that if they ran th' numbers, they'd find a real low risk factor when it comes to people with MC endorsements being at fault, or even involved, in automobile accidents whilst behind th' steering wheel of a cage. Granted, th' age numbers still factored in as well. Offer up a lower rate to that demographic and bingo, they just reduced their risk *and* garnered a whole new set of happy clients. Now, back to your flawed logic. Statistics suck, so I won't go there. However, I'd like to ask you another question... what's th' major contributing factor to this "higher death rate" for motorcyclists that you speak of? Unfortunately, the most common phrase given to Insurance companies and the cops at the scene of the accident is "I didn't see the motorcycle." with or without the "until it was too late." sigh Winner! But again, Jim's not talkin' about providing *motorcycle* insurance. Motorcyclists don't go around pulling left turns in front of cars and killin' people, 'tis th' other way around. Then again, bikers (both dirt and street) are wild and crazy guys, too. That has to be 2nd. Heh, it's a good thing we couldn't possibly get hurt, or worse, in th' shop. Ya know, th' more I think about this, th' better I like it. With th' price of gas skyrocketing, and a carrot like an X % discount for having a motorcycle endorsement for ones car insurance, more people might just go back to, or start, riding. Hell, if I was King, *everyone* who wants a drivers license would have to spend one year riding a motorcycle. Then they wouldn't be sayin' "honest officer, I didn't see him." King Snarl |
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