Gunner wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:47:15 GMT, BottleBob
wrote:

Ritalin is not dextramphetamine or dextroamphetamine, it's
methylphenidate. Methylphenidate is a central nervous system stimulant
slightly stronger than caffeine and less potent than the amphetamines.

Less potent than Amphetamines?

Gunner:

Yes. Methylphenidate is considered a *mild* CNS stimulant.


I know from personal experience, it will keep you wide awake, and
totally alert for at least 12 hours.

So might taking over-the-counter Nodoze.

Thats some potent ****.

It's relative. And on a milligram to milligram dosage comparison,
relative to amphetamine, dextroamphetamine, or methamphetamine, it's not
very potent at all.

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:53:32 GMT, BottleBob
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:47:15 GMT, BottleBob
wrote:

Ritalin is not dextramphetamine or dextroamphetamine, it's
methylphenidate. Methylphenidate is a central nervous system stimulant
slightly stronger than caffeine and less potent than the amphetamines.

Less potent than Amphetamines?

Gunner:

Yes. Methylphenidate is considered a *mild* CNS stimulant.


As opposed to Crank, I can imagine it is "mild"

I know from personal experience, it will keep you wide awake, and
totally alert for at least 12 hours.

So might taking over-the-counter Nodoze.

Not for anyone I know..unless you swallow the entire box. Then you
vibrate like a guitar string.

Thats some potent ****.

It's relative. And on a milligram to milligram dosage comparison,
relative to amphetamine, dextroamphetamine, or methamphetamine, it's not
very potent at all.

Shrug.

Gunner



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In article , Gunner says...


...You oddly enough, avoided commenting on most of them, and cherry
picked a couple you found issue with.

Ah, you posted links to stuff that either contradicted your
position, or were bogus. You can get away with that most
of the time but you *should* be aware that Ed is the *wrong*
guy to do that to.

I'm not following this thread, but next time just give him
*one* link. The one that supports your position the best.
For him, quality =/ quantity.

Jim


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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:36:55 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote something
.......and in reply I say!:

You think that statistically speaking??????????

Now there's a sentence.

I think that statistically speaking it's the left wing that is more

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n Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:12:44 -0500, Cliff wrote
something
.......and in reply I say!:

Uness you are making a political statement (and I am never sure which
where you are concerned) the word is whinger, not winger.



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"Among the areas of inquiry the Federal Bureau of Investigation is
likely to pursue is a neo-Nazi Web forum .."

"Hitler's birthday, April 20 ....."

"the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party's Web forum."


http://www.google.com/search?num=100...ite%3Anazi.org

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:03:17 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote something
.......and in reply I say!:

Statistically most shootings are by card-carying or Democrat leaning people.
So, "Wingers with Guns" should read: "Left Wingers with Guns"

reference please.
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David Moffitt wrote:


%%%% There is also a correlation to parents who cannot say no to the little
heathens they are raising. Behavior modification works well many times on
ADD/ADHD.


Pete C.


I can't quote any research to confirm this, but my personal experience
certainly goes along with it. It seems that people who allow their
children to climb the curtains tend to have children who climb the curtains.

On the other hand, taking time to teach children something interesting
(such as making curls out in the shop) can do them worlds of good.. but
it seems there's a lot of people in the world who really don't do
anything interesting- they work at a job and play with toys (boats,
bikes, snowmobiles, etc.) that they pay someone to repair.. and what
does the curious child get from that?

John

Cliff wrote:


Stop hanging out with wingers.

HTH

Gee, Cliff, why don't we stop discussing "wingers" and turn the
conversation to virtuous liberals such as Jesse Jackson or Marion Barry?

John

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:06:59 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:49:24 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

Gunner's
issue isn't a lack of data. He has plenty of data. The issue is that his
"data" is usually a bunch of wacky polemical opinion disguised as
information.

He just made my point.

Your head was already pointed.
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:06:25 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:03:15 GMT, Bing wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in
:

So some of it is just being better able to identify it. But there also
is a component of increased incidence that isn't explained simply by
better diagnosis. There is some research on the subject, which you can
find in the medical literature. Fortunately, professional journal
articles as they're archived on the Web nearly always have a succinct
abstract that explains the findings in just a few words.

Just keepin ya honest here Ed but didnt you just chastize Gunner for lack
of data?

Ayup..particularlily when Ed IS given data he doesnt like.

So milk really is the cause autism?
What do your meds cause?
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:40:25 -0500, JohnM wrote
something
.......and in reply I say!:


hey work at a job and play with toys (boats,
bikes, snowmobiles, etc.) that they pay someone to repair..


Which theyprobabl enjoy..........
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:36:53 -0700, Louis Boyd
wrote:

Bob wrote:
"TheAlligator" wrote in message

But I have the God-given right to as a last resort.

How do you know that God gave you this "right"?

God hands out rights to everyone. He's very generous. He expects the
recipients to use those rights wisely. If they don't God expects
others who have been given rights to resolve the problems. It's a good
system.


I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth. Which is why I give you a
cold every once in a while. But since you're such a slow learner, I
think I'll make it a heart attack next time.

God

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:36:53 -0700, Louis Boyd
wrote:

Bob wrote:
"TheAlligator" wrote in message

But I have the God-given right to as a last resort.

How do you know that God gave you this "right"?

God hands out rights to everyone. He's very generous. He expects the
recipients to use those rights wisely. If they don't God expects
others who have been given rights to resolve the problems. It's a good
system.


I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth. Which is why I give you a
cold every once in a while. But since you're such a slow learner, I
think I'll make it a heart attack next time. Or maybe it'll be
heartburn, I like to keep you guys guessing.

GOD

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:36:53 -0700, Louis Boyd
wrote:

Bob wrote:
"TheAlligator" wrote in message

But I have the God-given right to as a last resort.

How do you know that God gave you this "right"?

God hands out rights to everyone. He's very generous. He expects the
recipients to use those rights wisely. If they don't God expects
others who have been given rights to resolve the problems. It's a good
system.


I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth. Which is why I give you a
cold every once in a while. But since you're such a slow learner, I
think I'll make it a heart attack next time. Or maybe it'll be
heartburn, I like to keep you guys guessing.

GOD

skydaddy wrote:
I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth. Which is why I give you a
cold every once in a while. But since you're such a slow learner, I
think I'll make it a heart attack next time.

God
Why don't you post another 3 or 10 times - if you're God, you really
need to learn how to post. Could come in handy.

"Strabo" wrote in message
...
In OT - Wingers with guns on Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:53:32 GMT,
by BottleBob, we read:

Gunner wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:47:15 GMT, BottleBob
wrote:

Ritalin is not dextramphetamine or dextroamphetamine, it's
methylphenidate. Methylphenidate is a central nervous system stimulant
slightly stronger than caffeine and less potent than the amphetamines.

Less potent than Amphetamines?

Gunner:

Yes. Methylphenidate is considered a *mild* CNS stimulant.


I know from personal experience, it will keep you wide awake, and
totally alert for at least 12 hours.

So might taking over-the-counter Nodoze.

Thats some potent ****.

It's relative. And on a milligram to milligram dosage comparison,
relative to amphetamine, dextroamphetamine, or methamphetamine, it's not
very potent at all.

Some kids sell or trade their medications with one another.

I should also add that none the 6,000,000+ officially diagnosed
children on psychoactive drugs will be accepted into military
service or other sensitive job.

The AMA says the number is closer to 1.6 million total, including those
taking psychoactive medications for very short terms. Considering the mental
state required to meet the criteria, not many of those who are diagnosed by
professionals as being ADHD are likely to wind up for very long in
"sensitive jobs."

Where did you get your number, from Dr. Breggins, every lawsuit-happy
group's favorite "expert witness"? If so, you may want to see what
Quackwatch has to say about him before spreading your b.s.

--
Ed Huntress

"TheAlligator" wrote in message
...
skydaddy wrote:
I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth. Which is why I give you a
cold every once in a while. But since you're such a slow learner, I
think I'll make it a heart attack next time.

God
Why don't you post another 3 or 10 times - if you're God, you really
need to learn how to post. Could come in handy.

God doesn't really understand Usenet. After all, we all know it is a tool of
the devil.

Bob

skydaddy piddled around and finally wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:36:53 -0700, Louis Boyd
wrote:

Bob wrote:
"TheAlligator" wrote in message

But I have the God-given right to as a last resort.

How do you know that God gave you this "right"?

God hands out rights to everyone. He's very generous. He expects the
recipients to use those rights wisely. If they don't God expects
others who have been given rights to resolve the problems. It's a good
system.


I'm tired of attempting to think.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:43:44 GMT,
(TheAlligator) wrote:

skydaddy wrote:
I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth. Which is why I give you a
cold every once in a while. But since you're such a slow learner, I
think I'll make it a heart attack next time.

God
Why don't you post another 3 or 10 times - if you're God, you really
need to learn how to post. Could come in handy.

I think my ISP blew a gasket. So they'll be suffering a rash of hard
drive failures as soon as I get time. And you'd be wise to steer clear
of trailer parks from now on.

GOD

PS If you see me on a grilled-cheese sandwich, I'm ready to bite
back.

skydaddy wrote:

GOD

PS If you see me on a grilled-cheese sandwich, I'm ready to bite
back.
I like it.

Old Nick wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:40:25 -0500, JohnM wrote
something
......and in reply I say!:



hey work at a job and play with toys (boats,
bikes, snowmobiles, etc.) that they pay someone to repair..



Which theyprobabl enjoy..........

Children are likely to enjoy lots of stuff, but I suspect that some
things are better for them than others. Don't get me wrong- I got little
against power-toys and video games, but I feel that a child would be
better off to learn to repair his own dirt bike and maybe learn how a
crystal radio works than to just ride the bike till it breaks (and send
it out for repair) and play Nintendo with no idea of how electronics work.

John

"Strabo" wrote in message
...
In OT - Wingers with guns on Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:37:11
-0500, by Ed Huntress, we read:

"Strabo" wrote in message
.. .
In OT - Wingers with guns on Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:53:32 GMT,
by BottleBob, we read:

Gunner wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:47:15 GMT, BottleBob
wrote:

Ritalin is not dextramphetamine or dextroamphetamine, it's
methylphenidate. Methylphenidate is a central nervous system
stimulant
slightly stronger than caffeine and less potent than the
amphetamines.

Less potent than Amphetamines?

Gunner:

Yes. Methylphenidate is considered a *mild* CNS stimulant.


I know from personal experience, it will keep you wide awake, and
totally alert for at least 12 hours.

So might taking over-the-counter Nodoze.

Thats some potent ****.

It's relative. And on a milligram to milligram dosage comparison,
relative to amphetamine, dextroamphetamine, or methamphetamine, it's
not
very potent at all.

Some kids sell or trade their medications with one another.

I should also add that none the 6,000,000+ officially diagnosed
children on psychoactive drugs will be accepted into military
service or other sensitive job.

The AMA says the number is closer to 1.6 million total, including those
taking psychoactive medications for very short terms. Considering the
mental
state required to meet the criteria, not many of those who are diagnosed
by
professionals as being ADHD are likely to wind up for very long in
"sensitive jobs."

SSRIs cannot be given "for very short terms" without increasing
the potential of adverse effects as does switching between SSRIs
or abruptly stopping their use.

First off, Ritalin is not an SSRI. It's a dopamine agonist. Secondly, most
of the research on efficacy of SSRIs in children concentrates on the
short-term benefits. The SSRIs are used for short-term treatment of
early-onset depression, as well as long-term treatment of several
conditions.

What the percentage is of long-term versus short-term treatment with these
drugs in children probably isn't known. However, what I said was that the
AMA's estimate included short-term, as well as long-term usage.

Concerning the efficacy of SSRIs, it usually begins in 3 to 4 weeks. The
problem is not in terminating their use, it's in terminating their use
abruptly. As with adult usage of these drugs, field experience shows that a
careful withdrawal must be suprervised by the physician.


Where did you get your number, from Dr. Breggins, every lawsuit-happy
group's favorite "expert witness"? If so, you may want to see what
Quackwatch has to say about him before spreading your b.s.

Which pharmaceutical company do you work for?

I notice you didn't answer the question. Is there a reason for that? Do you
not know where your information came from, perhaps? Or did you find out that
it came from quacks?

As for *your* question, I work for all of them. You may have read some of
the patient material I've written or edited. What would you like to know?

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Ed Huntress