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ot- Gun Laws in Australia
"Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.cga.state.ct.us/ps99/rpt/.../99-r-0824.htm Gun Laws in Australia [Comments of All questions directed toward the Government of Australia.] As an Australian voter, I represent the government of Australia. My answer to your queries: Shrug. If you don't like 'em, move here, naturalise, and vote us out. Otherwise... -- Jeff R. |
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ot- Gun Laws in Australia
one wonders whether the drivel posted by this imbecile is merely a childish
troll, or whether he actually believes this stuff.............if so maybe he hasnt been taking his medication! "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.cga.state.ct.us/ps99/rpt/.../99-r-0824.htm Gun Laws in Australia [Comments of All questions directed toward the Government of Australia.] - August 23, 1999 99-R-0824 AUSTRALIA'S GUN LAWS By: Veronica Rose, Principal Analyst You asked for a brief outline of Australia's gun laws. (We have summarized the major provisions of the 1996 Firearms Act, which subsequently became law. We were unable to ascertain if any of the summarized provisions were amended. For brevity, we have omitted all penalties.) SUMMARY The act: 1. bans the use and possession of automatic guns and self-loading rifles and shotguns; [Can someone give a list of examples?] 2. with certain exceptions, requires anyone who owns a gun to get a license and anyone acquiring a gun to get a permit; [Can we eliminate one form by combining the two forms, and reduce government, by firing 30 percent of the paper pushers, needed to handle the paperwork/labor, this system/process is generating?] [IMHO AU Governmnet is hout of hand.] 3. requires license applicants to establish (a.) "genuine reasons," and (b.)license and permit applicants to be deemed "fit and proper," to acquire and possess guns and meet other criteria; (a.) [Define acceptable "genuine reasons": 1. I have the right to self protection. 2. I have the right and duty to overthrow a corrupt and oppressive government. 3. I want one.] (b.) [Who, what or how is, the determination of "fit and proper" made? Is it by age, IQ, political party, social standing, religion, race, money, citizenship, residency, profession, criminal record, military duty...? ] 4. allows a licensee to use a gun only for the reason it was licensed; [And a list of those reasons might be what? Do I a need separate license for each reason? ] 5. requires people to register their guns in a national computerized database; makes it illegal to sell, buy, have, or use unregistered guns; and allows gun sales and transfers only through licensed gun dealers; [Can I make guns? What happens while I am manufacturing and processing my hand made guns? Do you know how easy it is to make one, legally or illegally? Do you realize, that only law-abiding citizens obey the laws, while crimianls ignore the laws, and that for a law-abiding citizen to protect themselves from criminals, you now require them to choose between being a criminal or a victim? ][see "reasonable excuse clauses below.] 6. allows the gun registrar to prohibit unfit people from possessing guns; [Who is the registrar, and what criteria determine fitness to possess a gun? NOTE: Mere possession can be for the few minutes needed to take a gun from a body, and fire in self defense or defense of others. Say what if a cop is found wounded, and the shooter comes back, can I shoot? Is there a number I can call to get real-time permission?][see "reasonable excuse clauses below.] 7. allows the registrar, after an investigation, to cancel a license or permit in response to a civilian complaint; [Is this by trial, inquiry, or kangaroo court, if you will pardon my pun?] 8. allows doctors to inform the registrar of any patient whose medical condition makes him unfit to possess guns; [Seems fair, but please keep records of the doctors, and how they adminsiter that authority.] 9. sets minimum gun storage standards; and [Seems fair, I wouldn't want my guns to get lost or stolen, but in some situations, I would like to be able to keep it loaded and ready, rather than ahve to bother my assailant for a few moments of courtesy, while I unlock the box, and load the gun, so I can protect myself and others.] [see "reasonable excuse clauses below.] 10. allows police officers to seize, with or without warrants, guns they believe are stored unsafely or connected with violations. [Seems fair, can I get a receipt?] The act exempts, among others, police officers, members of the military and cadet corps, prison officers performing their duties, and diplomats and consular officers with appropriate written approval. It allows aggrieved parties to appeal to an administrative appeals tribunal. [What if an exempted person, is suspected, accused or found guilty, of a violent crime, i.e. spouse abuse, rape, child abuse; or is subject to a temporary restraining order; or is under investigation of a service-connected shooting?] OBJECTIVES OF THE GUN LAWS The laws' objectives are to (1) ban the possession and use of automatic guns, except in special circumstances; (2) establish an integrated gun licensing and registration scheme; (3) require people to have genuine reasons for having and using guns; (4) provide strict requirements for licensing, acquiring, and selling guns; and (5) ensure that guns are stored safely. Under the law, gun possession and use are privileges "conditional on the overriding need to ensure public safety" (Section 3). [Under the laws of God, every person has the right and authority to protect and defend themselves, and a duty to defend others, from harm, this ensures public safety and deters an oppressive government. Government, gets its conditional-authority to govern, from the people, and the people, can at anytime revoke that authority.] [see "reasonable excuse clauses below.] BANNED GUNS The act, with minor exceptions, bans military style self-loading centrefire rifles; self-loading and pump action shotguns; and any other type of self-loading rifles. It allows these guns to be used only in exceptional circumstances by the military, police, some occupational shooters (including farmers), and a very restricted group of clay target shooters. [I always wanted a farm. What defines a farm, in Australia?] GUN LICENSES AND PERMITS With exemptions, anyone owning a gun must have a license, and anyone acquiring a gun must have a permit. There is a 28-day waiting period for both. [So by this logic, I can own a gun, but not be in possesion of it, but the person in possession of it, must have a permit? Hunh? Or is it that I need a permit per gun? Ok now I think I understand it. The license authorizes ownership of guns (plural), while the permit records the transfer of possession. See I am not as think as you dumb I am.] Genuine Reason Required to Own Gun. To qualify for a gun license, an applicant must show a genuine reason for owning, possessing, or using guns[OPU]. He can only use the gun for the reason he got the license. [Pardon me, but I see a "logic loop" there. So, that would need some clarification.] An applicant has a genuine reason for possessing a gun if he wants it for (1) sport or target shooting and is a member of an approved club; (2) recreational hunting or vermin control and has written permission from the landowner; or (3) use in connection with an occupational requirement such as farming, vertebrate pest control, security services, animal welfare, or professional shooting. A bona fide gun collector can also get a license. Self defense and property protection are not genuine reasons (Section 23). [OK, I see three reasons for OPU of guns, I'd guess it is possible to combine them, using the words "and/or". I also would guess the courts/juries, would have to decide if, if using the gun for self defense and property protection, were appropriate - but considering they would be "Monday morning quarterbacking, with blinders and 20/20 hindsight, pray they find in my favor.] [see "reasonable excuse clauses below.] For licensure purposes, guns are grouped into categories, each with restrictions. (For example, in order to get a category C gun license, an applicant must not only establish a genuine reason, but he must also show special need and produce evidence that this is the only way to meet the need. Category C guns include self-loading rimfire rifles and self-loading shotguns below a certain magazine capacity.) License Eligibility Criteria. License applicants must be at least age 18 (Section 21). First-time applicants must complete prescribed gun training and safety courses. The registrar must find applicants fit and proper. He must consider, among other things, if (1) the applicant's physical or mental state is likely to endanger himself or anyone else; (2) the applicant was released from prison or subject to a restraining or protective order in the past 10 years; and (3) the applicant can store his gun safely and securely. The registrar must deny a license if (1) reasonable grounds exist to believe that the applicant may not exercise continuous and responsible control over the gun because of his lifestyle or domestic circumstances; (2) issuing the license would be contrary to the public interest; (3) the applicant, in the past 10 years, was subject to a restraining or domestic violence protection order or convicted of a firearm or violent offense; or (4) the applicant is subject to a gun prohibition order. The registrar may provide other mandatory or discretionary grounds in regulations for denying a license (Sections 21 and 22). License Suspension and Cancellation. The registrar must suspend a license if he has reasonable grounds for believing that the licensee has been charged with a domestic violence offense or committed or threatened to commit such an offense (Section 39). A license is automatically suspended if the licensee is subject to an interim domestic violence order. It is automatically cancelled if the licensee becomes subject to a firearms prohibition order or a domestic violence order (Sections 40 and 41). A license may be cancelled (1) on any grounds on which it could have been denied; (2) if the licensee knowingly gave false or misleading information, violates the act, regulations, or license conditions; (3) if the registrar believes the licensee is no longer fit; or (4) for any other prescribed reasons (Section 41). License Conditions. The applicant must agree to comply with the legal safe storage requirements, give details of the gun storage arrangements, and agree to allow the police to inspect the storage area. A license is not transferable. It is valid for five years (Section 36). Gun Permits. Anyone who wants to acquire a gun must get a permit. A separate permit is required for each gun. Applicants must generally meet criteria similar to those for license applicants. The registrar must deny a permit if it would be contrary to the public interest, and he may suspend or revoke one for the same grounds on which he can deny it. He may provide other mandatory or discretionary grounds for denial in regulations. The permit is valid for 30 days or until the permittee gets the gun (Section 48). GUN REGISTRATION A national gun registry is responsible for keeping track of gun owners and guns. Gun owners must register their guns with the registry. If a registered gun is sold, lost, or stolen, the person in whose name the gun is registered must report this to the police within seven days (Section 54). Gun registry information is not available to the public. People cannot, without reasonable excuse, sell, buy, use, or have unregistered guns (Section 53). They can buy or sell registered guns only through licensed gun dealers. And licensed gun dealers cannot repair unregistered guns. GUN PROHIBITION ORDERS The gun registrar may issue an order prohibiting a person from possessing guns if he believes this is in the public interest or the person is unfit (Section 111). CIVILIAN COMPLAINTS Anyone may complain to the registrar about any matter arising out of a registration or the issuance of a license or permit. And the registrar, after investigating, may cancel the license or permit (Section 120). DISCLOSURE BY DOCTORS OF CERTAIN INFORMATION A doctor can inform the registrar that a patient is unsuitable to possess a gun because of his mental condition or because he is suicidal or would pose a threat to public safety. The doctor cannot be held civilly or criminally liable for his actions (Section 115). GUN STORAGE REQUIREMENTS Gun owners must take all reasonable precautions to ensure that their guns are stored safely, so as to prevent them from being lost or stolen or falling into the hands of unauthorized people (Section 62). Depending on the category into which the gun falls, it must be stored in a locked hardwood or steel safe fixed to a building. Ammunition must be kept in a separate locked container. [If I have a rifle case and a pistol case, and keep a pistol in a pistol case, a rifle in the rifle case, can I keep rifle ammuniton in the pistol case, and pistol ammunition in the rifle case? ] SEARCH AND SEIZURE Police officers may conduct warrantless searches and judges may issue warrants to conduct searches on reasonable grounds or suspicion that guns connected to crimes may be found in the possession of people or on vehicles or vessels (Section 75). MISCELLANEOUS People cannot: 1. without reasonable excuse, have guns in or near a street or public place or discharge guns in, near, or onto a street or public place without the registrar's written approval (Section 80 2. without reasonable excuse, have guns so as to endanger others (Section 80); 3. fire guns across occupied land without appropriate written approval; 4. carry guns with disregard for their own or safety or that of other people (Section 82); 5. carry guns while under the influence of alcohol or drugs (Section 97); or 6. transfer unsafe guns without appropriate warnings (Section 104). EXEMPTIONS The act exempts (1) police officers; (2) members of the military and the cadet corps, (3) prison officers performing their duties; (4) members of the Council of the Australian War Memorial and the National Museum of Australia while performing their duties; (4) people possessing or using in the course of their duties guns that the law requires to be carried on ships or aircrafts; (5) people carrying guns to get instruction at approved ranges; (6) people carrying air guns for the purpose of shooting at a shooting gallery, show, fair or amusement center; (7) officials with starting pistols at sporting competitions conducted by prescribed sporting organizations; (8) authorized instructors performing their functions at approved clubs or firing ranges; and (9) diplomats and consular officers with appropriate written approval (Section 6). No 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out. Is that evil? Is that wrong? People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for the rule of brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically "right". Guns end that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. - L. Neil Smith |
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ot- Gun Laws in Australia
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:24:10 +1000, "A.Gent"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . http://www.cga.state.ct.us/ps99/rpt/.../99-r-0824.htm Gun Laws in Australia [Comments of All questions directed toward the Government of Australia.] As an Australian voter, I represent the government of Australia. My answer to your queries: Shrug. If you don't like 'em, move here, naturalise, and vote us out. Otherwise... May I thus infer that you are a rabid gun hater...? Australia's gun laws are worse (from my point of view) that those here in Kanada. Do you consider Australia a "free" country, or a democracy? I don't consider either country such. And the part that I cannot understand is that the sheeple just go along with it... Australians were once know as tough, independant, and intolerant of governments (or otherwise) who abused their "authority". So what does the above statement make you...? The word "collaborator" springs to my mind... Liberty or Death, Intrepid |
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In article ,
"A.Gent" wrote: As an Australian voter, I represent the government of Australia. My answer to your queries: Shrug. If you don't like 'em, move here, naturalise, and vote us out. Otherwise... Otherwise wait for the chinese/indonesians to invade and change the political system..... -- free men own guns - slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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"Intrepid" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:24:10 +1000, "A.Gent" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . http://www.cga.state.ct.us/ps99/rpt/.../99-r-0824.htm Gun Laws in Australia [Comments of All questions directed toward the Government of Australia.] As an Australian voter, I represent the government of Australia. My answer to your queries: Shrug. If you don't like 'em, move here, naturalise, and vote us out. Otherwise... May I thus infer that you are a rabid gun hater...? Australia's gun laws are worse (from my point of view) that those here in Kanada. Do you consider Australia a "free" country, or a democracy? I don't consider either country such. And the part that I cannot understand is that the sheeple just go along with it... Australians were once know as tough, independant, and intolerant of governments (or otherwise) who abused their "authority". So what does the above statement make you...? The word "collaborator" springs to my mind... Liberty or Death, Intrepid Each to their own, my friend. Our legislators follow the will of the people, or they get voted out. If we have gun laws you don't like, its because we, as voters, demanded them. If we didn't like them, they wouldn't be there. Thats how it works. ....and no, you can't infer *anything* about me. -- Jeff R. |
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"Nick Hull" wrote in message ... In article , "A.Gent" wrote: As an Australian voter, I represent the government of Australia. My answer to your queries: Shrug. If you don't like 'em, move here, naturalise, and vote us out. Otherwise... Otherwise wait for the chinese/indonesians to invade and change the political system..... Sigghhhh.... That old one again. Why spend all the money on invasion, when the same end is being achieved by immigration? Oh - and - I'm not just talking *Australia* here, O "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." Jeff R. |
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"brain death" wrote in message ... one wonders whether the drivel posted by this imbecile is merely a childish troll, or whether he actually believes this stuff.............if so maybe he hasnt been taking his medication! Hmmm, one wonders about the imbecile that reposts the dribble in it's entirety. Joel. phx "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.cga.state.ct.us/ps99/rpt/.../99-r-0824.htm Gun Laws in Australia |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:24:10 +1000, "A.Gent"
wrote: As an Australian voter, I represent the government of Australia. My answer to your queries: Shrug. If you don't like 'em, move here, naturalise, and vote us out. Like there is a difference between the major parties? If there was a realistic choice, you may have a point. Furthermore, the extremely biased Australian media ensures no fair debate or pro-gun views are aired. Have a read of some of the stories when the first round of confiscation was aired... Geoff -- You can deal with the devil, he at least keeps his word, but if you deal with the government, you deserve whatever befalls you. DIY rolling road dyno plans, Radar detector FAQ, Forte Agent automation FAQ, bathroom fan FAQ and THE WORLDS BEST CHRISTMAS PUDDING RECIPE are at http://www.bigfoot.com/~geoff_m REMOVE "DELETEME" SPAMBLOCKER FROM ADDRESS TO REPLYTO USENET POSTINGS |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:09:52 +1000, "A.Gent"
vaguely proposed a theory .......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email Each to their own, my friend. Our legislators follow the will of the people, or they get voted out. HAH! CRAP! If we have gun laws you don't like, its because we, as voters, demanded them. If we didn't like them, they wouldn't be there. Thats how it works. I repeat.... If you reckon Australia is run on the basis that the laws are there because most people want them, you are sadly mistaken. If you think that the Australian people vote for or against a govt because of its laws, you are mistaken. There have been very, very few laws repealed because of a change of Govt in Australia. ************************************************** ** The Met Bureau is LOVE! |
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"Old Nick" wrote in message ... I repeat.... If you reckon Australia is run on the basis that the laws are there because most people want them, you are sadly mistaken. Why do the parties spend so much on, and pay so much attention to, opinion polls? If you think that the Australian people vote for or against a govt because of its laws, you are mistaken. What criteria do they choose then? The bushiest eyebrows? There have been very, very few laws repealed because of a change of Govt in Australia. ....and very very many laws enacted because of popular pressure. BTW, Nick, I'm referring to the general population. The *majority*. If this doesn't include you, then tough. ************************************************** ** The Met Bureau is LOVE! Uh huh. |
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