On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:07:24 GMT, "David Todtman"
wrote:

Note: this is cross-posted to rec.crafts.metalworking

On the declining art of safecracking. And, another example of cultural loss
due to declines in people going into the trades.

http://www.timhunkin.com/94_illegal_engineering.htm


Very cool!


"If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."

"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001

Interesting read, but as I am able to start most cars with no or little
damage, i will not pass that skill on to others, except fellow mechanics,
who i know to be of good character.
Some things shouldn't be on the net.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman wrote:

Interesting read, but as I am able to start most cars with no or little
damage, i will not pass that skill on to others, except fellow mechanics,
who i know to be of good character.
Some things shouldn't be on the net.

Why not?

I guess a lot of people have knowledge of many skills that could be used
for "illegal" activities, but we choose not to. Not sharing the skills
just means that they can be "lost" again. Many a civilisation has
foundered by skills/knowledge not being shared.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:27:54 +1100, Terry Collins
wrote:

Paul Calman wrote:

Interesting read, but as I am able to start most cars with no or little
damage, i will not pass that skill on to others, except fellow mechanics,
who i know to be of good character.
Some things shouldn't be on the net.

Why not?

I guess a lot of people have knowledge of many skills that could be used
for "illegal" activities, but we choose not to. Not sharing the skills
just means that they can be "lost" again. Many a civilisation has
foundered by skills/knowledge not being shared.

Those of us who are male are equipped to be rapists. That we choose
not be be and use the equipment in consensual uses shows that the
equipment is not the problem, like information.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:21:45 UTC, Gunner
wrote:

Those of us who are male are equipped to be rapists. That we choose
not be be and use the equipment in consensual uses shows that the
equipment is not the problem, like information.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

Gunner quoting, with seeming approval, a liberal (real, not american
definition) who tended towards socialism in his old age... what next?

Chris
--

On 31 Dec 2004 19:04:28 +0700, "Chris Lasdauskas"
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:21:45 UTC, Gunner
wrote:

Those of us who are male are equipped to be rapists. That we choose
not be be and use the equipment in consensual uses shows that the
equipment is not the problem, like information.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

Gunner quoting, with seeming approval, a liberal (real, not american
definition) who tended towards socialism in his old age... what next?

Chris

Im a Liberal, (not American definition), so why would I not quote
Mills?

As to his lapse into an interest into socialism, senile dementia is
such a terrible thing in the elderly.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:17:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On 31 Dec 2004 19:04:28 +0700, "Chris Lasdauskas"
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:21:45 UTC, Gunner
wrote:

Those of us who are male are equipped to be rapists. That we choose
not be be and use the equipment in consensual uses shows that the
equipment is not the problem, like information.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

Gunner quoting, with seeming approval, a liberal (real, not american
definition) who tended towards socialism in his old age... what next?

Chris

Im a Liberal, (not American definition), so why would I not quote
Mills?

As to his lapse into an interest into socialism, senile dementia is
such a terrible thing in the elderly.

Gunner


Btw..I didnt see this cross posted into sci.engr. Sorry.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:17:40 UTC, Gunner
wrote:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

Gunner quoting, with seeming approval, a liberal (real, not american
definition) who tended towards socialism in his old age... what next?

Chris

Im a Liberal, (not American definition), so why would I not quote
Mills?

Well, because you seem more of a right-wing liberal (what a lot of
people call libertarian, although I think a better description of you
would be economically conservative/ socially liberal) whereas as dear
old JS was a left-wing liberal in most people's view (and a Utopian
Socialist from an economist's point of view) ; and because you spend
an inordinate amount of time slagging off liberals (I'm with you
there, Comrade! )

As to his lapse into an interest into socialism, senile dementia is
such a terrible thing in the elderly.

Given that his 'lapse' is recognisable in
_Principles_of_Political_Economy_ which was published when he was 43,
I doubt that senile dementia comes into it

Chris

--

On 1 Jan 2005 20:33:23 +0700, "Chris Lasdauskas"
wrote:

Gunner quoting, with seeming approval, a liberal (real, not american
definition) who tended towards socialism in his old age... what next?

Chris

Im a Liberal, (not American definition), so why would I not quote
Mills?

Well, because you seem more of a right-wing liberal (what a lot of
people call libertarian, although I think a better description of you
would be economically conservative/ socially liberal) whereas as dear
old JS was a left-wing liberal in most people's view (and a Utopian
Socialist from an economist's point of view) ; and because you spend
an inordinate amount of time slagging off liberals (I'm with you
there, Comrade! )


Chuckle..I am what is called a Classical Liberal, not the twisted
political hodgepoge known as New Liberal or New Socialist that uses
the label liberal in the USA. And indeed, that may be well defined as
a fiscal conservative/social liberal.

As to his lapse into an interest into socialism, senile dementia is
such a terrible thing in the elderly.

Given that his 'lapse' is recognisable in
_Principles_of_Political_Economy_ which was published when he was 43,
I doubt that senile dementia comes into it

Chris

G

They went mad earlier G

Mills did indeed have some interesting Ideas, and I approve of some,
disapprove of others. Very much like classical composers, there is
music written by a composer that I like and he may also have written
something that sucks big green loggies.

Mills dabbled in many political philosophies. Mills like many others
of his and later times, explored many different ideas. The
Enlightenment was an interesting time frame.

Of course the fathers of modern conservatism are Burke and
Locke...with contributions from many others.

Later day savants like Russel Kirk are interesting to read as well.

Shrug

"Even a stopped clock is right twice a day"
G

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:08:17 UTC, Gunner wrote:

On 1 Jan 2005 20:33:23 +0700, "Chris Lasdauskas"
wrote:
Given that his 'lapse' is recognisable in
_Principles_of_Political_Economy_ which was published when he was 43,
I doubt that senile dementia comes into it

Chris

G

They went mad earlier G

Mills did indeed have some interesting Ideas, and I approve of some,
disapprove of others. Very much like classical composers, there is
music written by a composer that I like and he may also have written
something that sucks big green loggies.

Mills dabbled in many political philosophies. Mills like many others
of his and later times, explored many different ideas. The
Enlightenment was an interesting time frame.

Of course the fathers of modern conservatism are Burke and
Locke...with contributions from many others.

Later day savants like Russel Kirk are interesting to read as well.

If you enjoy reading that sort of philosphy, you might enjoy
_The_Worldly_Philosphers_ by Robert Heilbroner. It's an introduction
to the ideas of a range of important economists.

Cheers,
Chris