Listening to the "Big Schwag" scream for an hour on "Monster Nation",
followed by an hour of pure, unadulterated B.S. on "The Kustomizer."

The program content is no longer worth the crap one must wade through to
reach it.

Discovery Channel has finally succeeded in beating this program format to
death........

I agree. OTOH - watching that double headed Mini drive down the
street with its yaw all out of kilter was quite amusing.
Bob S.



On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:11:06 -0600, "Bob Paulin"
wrote:


Listening to the "Big Schwag" scream for an hour on "Monster Nation",
followed by an hour of pure, unadulterated B.S. on "The Kustomizer."

The program content is no longer worth the crap one must wade through to
reach it.

Discovery Channel has finally succeeded in beating this program format to
death........

Robert Scibienski wrote:
I agree. OTOH - watching that double headed Mini drive down the
street with its yaw all out of kilter was quite amusing.
Bob S.

I've never made it further than halfway through
one of those shows - and I've tried.

OTOH, American Chopper seems to have gotten a
little better. The last episode was refreshingly
light on the posturing-swearing-threatening.
And watching Paulie hand-hold an aluminum casting
in the vertical mill while hogging on it was
downright amusing....





On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:11:06 -0600, "Bob Paulin"
wrote:


Listening to the "Big Schwag" scream for an hour on "Monster Nation",
followed by an hour of pure, unadulterated B.S. on "The Kustomizer."

The program content is no longer worth the crap one must wade through to
reach it.

Discovery Channel has finally succeeded in beating this program format to
death........

snip
And watching Paulie hand-hold an aluminum casting
in the vertical mill while hogging on it was
downright amusing....

Jeez, wasn't it? $100,000 for that bike and that's the kind of workmanship.
Plus, they run down to Tedd's for parts all the time. Dunno if I'd want to
throw a leg over a bike with Chinese wheel bearings.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:11:06 -0600, "Bob Paulin"
wrote:


Listening to the "Big Schwag" scream for an hour on "Monster Nation",
followed by an hour of pure, unadulterated B.S. on "The Kustomizer."

The program content is no longer worth the crap one must wade through to
reach it.

Discovery Channel has finally succeeded in beating this program format to
death........


Could be that's why my tv hasn't seen an hours use in the last month.

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Could be that's why my tv hasn't seen an hours use in the last month.


Give it to DOC ! (see above)

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:11:06 -0600, "Bob Paulin"
wrote:


Listening to the "Big Schwag" scream for an hour on "Monster Nation",
followed by an hour of pure, unadulterated B.S. on "The Kustomizer."

The program content is no longer worth the crap one must wade through
to
reach it.

Discovery Channel has finally succeeded in beating this program format
to
death........


Could be that's why my tv hasn't seen an hours use in the last month.



Mine gets turned on for 3 things:
a) and most important: watching the vols
b) secondary....and only if i get a hankering: some NFL games
c) thirdly....and not so often, a NASCAR race.
other than that, i never watch the thing.


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Could be that's why my tv hasn't seen an hours use in the last month.


Give it to DOC ! (see above)

And throw in a new Lufkin to sweeten the deal.


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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:54:28 -0800, the renowned "Lane"
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wrote in message
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Could be that's why my tv hasn't seen an hours use in the last month.


Give it to DOC ! (see above)

And throw in a new Lufkin to sweeten the deal.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

I have a hunch it would take more than that to sway DOC!

Harold

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

I'm OK with a TV, for I enjoy watching the news, if for nothing else, a
weather report. However, it will be one cold day in hell when any of
these
less than worthy programs see any of my money for the 'privilege' of
watching them. Hell, I'd pay a reasonable amount to avoid them. I
can't
imagine paying for cable or any other type service, not with the garbage
they're passing off as entertainment these days. What the hell has
happened
to us?

Harold


Obviously some of us like some of it! Thank God not everyone has the same
tastes. This country would be so very boring wouldn't it?

Granted there is a lot of stuff on TV that I don't watch, like the
supposedly "reality" shows like Survivor, and I won't watch Fear Factor at
all, just seeing the ads for it turns my stomach. One of my most favorite
shows is "West Wing", very well written. I like a lot of the History Channel
and Discovery Channel stuff too. And the comedy show Blue Collar TV can be
very funny, and very stupid at times too. Got to put up with some bad to see
some good is the way I look at it.

I have nothing against those that don't watch TV. But I do have a problem
with those that try to put their thoughts and feelings on the soap box and
say that those that don't agree are wrong, or stupid, or inferior somehow.
I'm not meaning you did that Harold, I'm just speaking out in general.

Lane

"Lane" lane_nospam@copperaccents_dot_com wrote in message
...

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

I'm OK with a TV, for I enjoy watching the news, if for nothing else, a
weather report. However, it will be one cold day in hell when any of
these
less than worthy programs see any of my money for the 'privilege' of
watching them. Hell, I'd pay a reasonable amount to avoid them. I
can't
imagine paying for cable or any other type service, not with the garbage
they're passing off as entertainment these days. What the hell has
happened
to us?

Harold


Obviously some of us like some of it! Thank God not everyone has the same
tastes. This country would be so very boring wouldn't it?

Granted there is a lot of stuff on TV that I don't watch, like the
supposedly "reality" shows like Survivor, and I won't watch Fear Factor at
all, just seeing the ads for it turns my stomach. One of my most favorite
shows is "West Wing", very well written. I like a lot of the History
Channel
and Discovery Channel stuff too. And the comedy show Blue Collar TV can be
very funny, and very stupid at times too. Got to put up with some bad to
see
some good is the way I look at it.

I have nothing against those that don't watch TV. But I do have a problem
with those that try to put their thoughts and feelings on the soap box and
say that those that don't agree are wrong, or stupid, or inferior somehow.
I'm not meaning you did that Harold, I'm just speaking out in general.

Lane

Chuckle! No problem at all, Lane. To be brutally honest, one of the
programs I enjoy is Becker reruns. I realize it's mindless, but it's always
good for laughs, which all of us can use these days, what with all the
terrible things going on in the world. In spite of the fact that it is
quite true to life, I never lose sight of the fact that it's entertainment.

I think my main concern is that we seem, as a people, to be lowering the bar
so far that garbage is becoming acceptable. Like you, I don't watch any of
the reality shows, don't even care to hear about them. If they turn the
crank for others, they have my sympathy, but also my blessings. I just
think that, for me, at least, there are far too many better ways to spend
an evening, every evening, than watching mindless TV. Listening to good
music is one of them, at least for us. Fact is, I'm enjoying some MJQ as
we speak.

We almost live for the fund raising on PBS stations, at which time they run
some of the better programming. Both of us enjoy the nature shows and the
NOVA productions.

Harold

In article , Harold & Susan Vordos says...

We almost live for the fund raising on PBS stations, at which time they run
some of the better programming. Both of us enjoy the nature shows and the
NOVA productions.

PBS is the one thing I miss on TV, since we haven't had any
live feed into the house since we moved in in '84. Sure
we have a VCR and DVD player to rent stuff, but at least it's
what we choose to watch.

Commercial TV has really gone downhill in the past 20 years or
so. It's just not worth the time.

Jim


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I'm OK with a TV, for I enjoy watching the news, if for nothing else, a
weather report. However, it will be one cold day in hell when any of
these
less than worthy programs see any of my money for the 'privilege' of
watching them. Hell, I'd pay a reasonable amount to avoid them. I
can't
imagine paying for cable or any other type service, not with the garbage
they're passing off as entertainment these days. What the hell has
happened
to us?

Harold



Hey. Don't be giving these TV people any ideas. I can just see it now. We
will give you all the cable channels in the world, and for just a few
dollars extra, we will delete (fill in the blank) for you.

Wayne

On 24 Nov 2004 05:13:55 -0800, jim rozen
calmly ranted:

In article , Harold & Susan Vordos says...

We almost live for the fund raising on PBS stations, at which time they run
some of the better programming. Both of us enjoy the nature shows and the
NOVA productions.

PBS is the one thing I miss on TV, since we haven't had any
live feed into the house since we moved in in '84. Sure
we have a VCR and DVD player to rent stuff, but at least it's
what we choose to watch.

Commercial TV has really gone downhill in the past 20 years or
so. It's just not worth the time.

I'm paying $50/mo for 110 commercial-free satellite music channels,
The Action Channel, SciFi, Turner Classic Movies, an occasional
Star Trek NG on Spike, and 175 other, unwatched, useless crap
channels. The 5 commercial-free instrumental music stations I listen
to make up for the rest of the garbage and are worth every cent of it.
If I had my druthers, I'd give them a couple bucks per viewed (or
listened-to) station a month and leave it at that.

Six minutes of commercials every 12 minutes of programming? EFF THAT!
New pop-up animations/commercials -during- programmed time? It makes
me feel like Arlo Guthrie in Alice's Restaurant. "I wanna kill, I
wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth, I wanna
keeeeyull!"

If I could do without music to remove me from bad moods, I'd turn the
sat company off, too. At least the TV part. I still need the Starband
modem up/downlinks.



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"NoOne N Particular" wrote in message
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I'm OK with a TV, for I enjoy watching the news, if for nothing else, a
weather report. However, it will be one cold day in hell when any of
these
less than worthy programs see any of my money for the 'privilege' of
watching them. Hell, I'd pay a reasonable amount to avoid them. I
can't
imagine paying for cable or any other type service, not with the garbage
they're passing off as entertainment these days. What the hell has
happened
to us?

Harold



Hey. Don't be giving these TV people any ideas. I can just see it now.
We
will give you all the cable channels in the world, and for just a few
dollars extra, we will delete (fill in the blank) for you.

Wayne

Chuckle! That wasn't the smartest thing I've suggested, keeping your
thoughts in mind.

Harold

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On 24 Nov 2004 05:13:55 -0800, jim rozen
calmly ranted:

In article , Harold & Susan Vordos says...

We almost live for the fund raising on PBS stations, at which time they
run
some of the better programming. Both of us enjoy the nature shows and
the
NOVA productions.

PBS is the one thing I miss on TV, since we haven't had any
live feed into the house since we moved in in '84. Sure
we have a VCR and DVD player to rent stuff, but at least it's
what we choose to watch.

Commercial TV has really gone downhill in the past 20 years or
so. It's just not worth the time.

I'm paying $50/mo for 110 commercial-free satellite music channels,
The Action Channel, SciFi, Turner Classic Movies, an occasional
Star Trek NG on Spike, and 175 other, unwatched, useless crap
channels. The 5 commercial-free instrumental music stations I listen
to make up for the rest of the garbage and are worth every cent of it.
If I had my druthers, I'd give them a couple bucks per viewed (or
listened-to) station a month and leave it at that.

Six minutes of commercials every 12 minutes of programming? EFF THAT!
New pop-up animations/commercials -during- programmed time? It makes
me feel like Arlo Guthrie in Alice's Restaurant. "I wanna kill, I
wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth, I wanna
keeeeyull!"

If I could do without music to remove me from bad moods, I'd turn the
sat company off, too. At least the TV part. I still need the Starband
modem up/downlinks.

We're damned lucky. Susan and I are both jazz enthusiasts, and thanks to
our location, we receive two college stations, one from Oregon (KMHD) and
one from Tacoma (KPLU), so we have our favorite music available to us free
of charge. When we're not satisfied with either of them, we then tune in a
classical station. If we didn't have the ability to get if off air, I
think that music would motivate me to pay for reception where TV may never.
Like you, I must have my music fix on a daily basis. Susan, too!

Harold

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...


We're damned lucky. Susan and I are both jazz enthusiasts, Harold



Been here?
http://www.jazzplayerradio.com/

"Randy Replogle" wrote in message
...

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...


We're damned lucky. Susan and I are both jazz enthusiasts, Harold



Been here?
http://www.jazzplayerradio.com/


Nope! That one is new to us, but not the type of jazz we prefer. I'm a
dedicated MJQ, Brubeck, Monk kind of guy. Don't much like screaming
trumpets, more into the lay-back cool west coast type sound of the 50's.
Thanks for thinking of us, though!

Regards,

Harold

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

Nope! That one is new to us, but not the type of jazz we prefer. I'm a
dedicated MJQ, Brubeck, Monk kind of guy. Don't much like screaming
trumpets, more into the lay-back cool west coast type sound of the 50's.
Thanks for thinking of us, though!

Regards,

Harold



Harold, try this one. Smooth Jazz http://www.smoothisland.com/
I don't care for the raucous loud stuff either.

Lane

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:37:56 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On 24 Nov 2004 05:13:55 -0800, jim rozen
calmly ranted:

In article , Harold & Susan Vordos says...

We almost live for the fund raising on PBS stations, at which time they run
some of the better programming. Both of us enjoy the nature shows and the
NOVA productions.

PBS is the one thing I miss on TV, since we haven't had any
live feed into the house since we moved in in '84. Sure
we have a VCR and DVD player to rent stuff, but at least it's
what we choose to watch.

Commercial TV has really gone downhill in the past 20 years or
so. It's just not worth the time.

I'm paying $50/mo for 110 commercial-free satellite music channels,
The Action Channel, SciFi, Turner Classic Movies, an occasional
Star Trek NG on Spike, and 175 other, unwatched, useless crap
channels. The 5 commercial-free instrumental music stations I listen
to make up for the rest of the garbage and are worth every cent of it.
If I had my druthers, I'd give them a couple bucks per viewed (or
listened-to) station a month and leave it at that.

Six minutes of commercials every 12 minutes of programming? EFF THAT!
New pop-up animations/commercials -during- programmed time? It makes
me feel like Arlo Guthrie in Alice's Restaurant. "I wanna kill, I
wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth, I wanna
keeeeyull!"

If I could do without music to remove me from bad moods, I'd turn the
sat company off, too. At least the TV part. I still need the Starband
modem up/downlinks.



If you like the music, but hate the TV..check into XM Radio. Im seeing
more and more of it in buildings as well as vehicles

Gunner


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Come shed a tear for Michael Moore-
Though he smirked and lied like a two-bit whore
George Bush has just won another four.
Poor, sad little Michael Moore

Diogenes

"Lane" lane_nospam@copperaccents_dot_com wrote in message
...

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

Nope! That one is new to us, but not the type of jazz we prefer. I'm a
dedicated MJQ, Brubeck, Monk kind of guy. Don't much like screaming
trumpets, more into the lay-back cool west coast type sound of the 50's.
Thanks for thinking of us, though!

Regards,

Harold



Harold, try this one. Smooth Jazz http://www.smoothisland.com/
I don't care for the raucous loud stuff either.

Lane

I'm on a dialup, which won't work, but thanks for the link, Lane.
Fortunately, that's not my cup of tea, either. Smooth jazz in general
doesn't seem to interest me much. If I never listen to Kenny G in my
lifetime, I'll be fine with that. Not that he's not one talented guy, just
not my choice of listening. I'm especially turned off by the soprano sax,
which doesn't help. After you've heard Paul Desmond on his alto, you're
ruined for a lifetime as far as I'm concerned.

Sadly, the best sax men of our times have all passed. Gerry Mulligan on
baritone, Stan Getz on tenor and, of course, Desmond. Art Pepper played a
close second to Desmond, but lacked his fine definition, at least in my
opinion.

One of my favorites is the big band sound from the 30's. I'm a dedicated
Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller and Tommy Dorsey fan. It's hard to know where
to stop, though, because I also enjoy Louis Prima, Les Paul, Nat King Cole,
Sinatra, Mel Tormè, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Les McCann and so many
more. These are all names found in my music collection and I hear them on
the two stations I found here in the NW. How cool is that? Having lived
in Salt Lake City for all our lives, it was like an oasis in the dessert
for us to find jazz readily available when we moved here. . We were used to
just a few hours each evening, Monday through Saturday, on one station.
That was very instrumental in my learning to appreciate classical. Can't
stand the vast majority of music, especially what's being done today
(speaking of rap).

Harold

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

Nope! That one is new to us, but not the type of jazz we prefer. I'm a
dedicated MJQ, Brubeck, Monk kind of guy. Don't much like screaming
trumpets, more into the lay-back cool west coast type sound of the 50's.
Thanks for thinking of us, though!

Regards,

Harold



Being a trumpet player, I do. But I like other stuff too. Do you like early
Miles Davis or Chet Baker? Do you have any of the "Charlie Brown" CDs done
by the Vince Guaraldi ,no trumpets ? I have a master's in Music Ed. and
taught a couple of years but this is what I do now:
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine The site hasn't been updated for awhile
though.
Randy

"Gunner" wrote in message
...

If you like the music, but hate the TV..check into XM Radio. Im seeing
more and more of it in buildings as well as vehicles

Gunner


Will it penetrate to the basement of a multi-story brich building?
Randy

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:15:37 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:37:56 -0800, Larry Jaques

I'm paying $50/mo for 110 commercial-free satellite music channels,

If you like the music, but hate the TV..check into XM Radio. Im seeing
more and more of it in buildings as well as vehicles

That's an extra $10 a month plus each receiver. I use CDs in the
truck when I travel, but I often drive in the quiet.
Earplugs help.

I started wearing them when I had a long trip in the truck on a hot
summer week. With the windows down for air, I found the noise too
much. I left the earplugs in the truck and decided to try them later,
when it was cooler and the windows were up. They blocked out all of
the wind noise and made it very quiet for the drive. I liked it and
now use earplugs on all trips over about 10 miles. I found that they
relieved stress to the point that I was -noticeably- more relaxed and
less tired when I arrived at my destination.

Well, our Thanksgiving Day rain started in the middle of the night.
It's a windless and gentle, but constant, rain, probably good for
about 3/4" overnight. It also means that I'll have to drive over to
my neighbor's to pick up my holiday dinner. It's hard to hold 2 plates
and a couple bowls with an umbrella in one hand.

Gobble, gobble.


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"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

That was very instrumental in my learning to appreciate classical. Can't
stand the vast majority of music, especially what's being done today
(speaking of rap).

Harold



RAP AIN'T MUSIC!

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:19:51 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I'm paying $50/mo for 110 commercial-free satellite music channels,

If you like the music, but hate the TV..check into XM Radio. Im seeing
more and more of it in buildings as well as vehicles

That's an extra $10 a month plus each receiver. I use CDs in the
truck when I travel, but I often drive in the quiet.
Earplugs help.

$10 a month versus $50? Not bad eh?

I started wearing them when I had a long trip in the truck on a hot
summer week. With the windows down for air, I found the noise too
much. I left the earplugs in the truck and decided to try them later,
when it was cooler and the windows were up. They blocked out all of
the wind noise and made it very quiet for the drive. I liked it and
now use earplugs on all trips over about 10 miles. I found that they
relieved stress to the point that I was -noticeably- more relaxed and
less tired when I arrived at my destination.

Check your local laws. This may be very illegal to do. It is in most
states.
Well, our Thanksgiving Day rain started in the middle of the night.
It's a windless and gentle, but constant, rain, probably good for
about 3/4" overnight. It also means that I'll have to drive over to
my neighbor's to pick up my holiday dinner. It's hard to hold 2 plates
and a couple bowls with an umbrella in one hand.

Its 70F here, friends and family are over, the house is filling up,
Im about ready to unload my new (to me) Lincoln AC/DC Stick-Tig welder
from the trailer, and I have two cats in my lap.

Life is good at the moment.

Bon Appetite.

Gunner



Gobble, gobble.



Come shed a tear for Michael Moore-
Though he smirked and lied like a two-bit whore
George Bush has just won another four.
Poor, sad little Michael Moore

Diogenes

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:19:51 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I use CDs in the
truck when I travel, but I often drive in the quiet.
Earplugs help.

Check the Oregon Vehicle Codes before you keep doing this - in
California if you aren't actively picking up trash in a refuse truck,
operating specialized construction equipment or an "Authorized
Emergency Vehicle", you are not allowed to wear earplugs headphones or
earmuffs in/on both ears while driving a motor vehicle or bicycle.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27400.htm

For some strange reason, they want you to be able to hear the police
car or ambulance coming up behind you Code 3. Go figure. ;-)

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"Randy Replogle" wrote in message
news:4Hnpd.9192$ld2.6257@trnddc05...

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

Nope! That one is new to us, but not the type of jazz we prefer. I'm a
dedicated MJQ, Brubeck, Monk kind of guy. Don't much like screaming
trumpets, more into the lay-back cool west coast type sound of the 50's.
Thanks for thinking of us, though!

Regards,

Harold



Being a trumpet player, I do. But I like other stuff too. Do you like
early
Miles Davis or Chet Baker?

Miles Davis was likely one of the most interesting of all the jazz
musicians, perhaps all but Monk, in my opinion. His Blackhawk recording in
'56 is one of my favorites, and his Kind of Blue album has to be one of the
best done in jazz history. I actually like all his work, including his
fusion, but he's not known for beating the trumpet to death like Doc
Severinsen or Maynard Ferguson. Chet Baker is great until he sings. He's
no Satchmo in that regard. I thought his work with Mulligan was really
cool. I like Chuck Mangione, although he plays the flugle horn. His Legend
of The One Eyed Sailor is a fine piece of work

Do you have any of the "Charlie Brown" CDs done
by the Vince Guaraldi ,no trumpets ?

Well, not the CD's, but I have the old vinyls. My collection is large
enough that I can't afford to replace all of it, so I don't try. My records
are in great condition because they are never handled by anyone aside from
myself or Susan, and I often copied them to tapes so they got little use.
Having always used a moving coil cartridge and a reasonable arm (Ortofon)
and turntable, they have been tracked with less than 2 grams of pressure,
too, so they haven't worn terribly.

Yep! Vince Guaraldi was wonderful! It's a damned shame he died so
young. His album at the Blackhawk in early '57 with the Cal Tjader Quartet
(with Gene Wright and Al Torre) is amongst my favorites that he did. The
cut Bill B is particularly cool. I'm also very partial to his album Cast
Your Fate To The Wind. The title cut is very moving, very emotional, at
least for me.

I have a master's in Music Ed. and
taught a couple of years but this is what I do now:
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine The site hasn't been updated for
awhile
though.
Randy

Nice site! How I envy you your music, though. I have a fairly nice shop,
although all manual machines, no CNC. As I've grown older, I've had to
ponder what I'd forego should I become limited in my abilities, which is
surely possible. I've often stated that when the time comes to make a
decision, my machines would have to go before the stereo, assuming it got
down to that. Our stereo system has provided so much pleasure that I
can't imagine life without it. Amongst my most cherished possessions is
the JBL Paragon speaker system.

I messed around with music from the side of the musician long enough to
understand that I'd likely never be one. Tried the sax, and bag pipes, and
even the baritone when I was in junior high. What I discovered is I'm a
lot better at playing the stereo. Anyone interested in a beautiful sterling
and ivory set of Sinclair pipes, very low miles? Built in the mid 80's.g

Harold

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:46:10 -0800, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
calmly ranted:


"Randy Replogle" wrote in message
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"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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Nope! That one is new to us, but not the type of jazz we prefer. I'm a
dedicated MJQ, Brubeck, Monk kind of guy. Don't much like screaming
trumpets, more into the lay-back cool west coast type sound of the 50's.
Thanks for thinking of us, though!

Regards,

Harold



Being a trumpet player, I do. But I like other stuff too. Do you like
early
Miles Davis or Chet Baker?

Miles Davis was likely one of the most interesting of all the jazz
musicians, perhaps all but Monk, in my opinion. His Blackhawk recording in
'56 is one of my favorites, and his Kind of Blue album has to be one of the
best done in jazz history. I actually like all his work, including his
fusion, but he's not known for beating the trumpet to death like Doc
Severinsen or Maynard Ferguson. Chet Baker is great until he sings. He's
no Satchmo in that regard. I thought his work with Mulligan was really
cool. I like Chuck Mangione, although he plays the flugle horn. His Legend
of The One Eyed Sailor is a fine piece of work

I like Davis alright, but I prefer the more recent jazz/fusion style
primarily. I fell in love with John Klemmer's "Touch" album, and have
always liked Grover Washington's sax. Some of my favorite musicians
are Shadowdance, Acoustic Alchemy, the Rippingtons, Jean Luc Ponty,
and Doug Cameron. Recognize any of them? I fell mostly out of rock
and into jazz about the 70s.


Nice site! How I envy you your music, though. I have a fairly nice shop,
although all manual machines, no CNC. As I've grown older, I've had to
ponder what I'd forego should I become limited in my abilities, which is
surely possible. I've often stated that when the time comes to make a
decision, my machines would have to go before the stereo, assuming it got
down to that. Our stereo system has provided so much pleasure that I
can't imagine life without it. Amongst my most cherished possessions is
the JBL Paragon speaker system.

Nice. The Ortofon brings back fond memories of back when I was able to
hear without the constant tinnitus and tracked things like that. Some
day I'll have my old pair of Bose 501s reconed.


I messed around with music from the side of the musician long enough to
understand that I'd likely never be one. Tried the sax, and bag pipes, and
even the baritone when I was in junior high. What I discovered is I'm a
lot better at playing the stereo. Anyone interested in a beautiful sterling
and ivory set of Sinclair pipes, very low miles? Built in the mid 80's.g

Careful, Harold. Threats like that could get the DHS breathing down
your neck in a hurry! Bagpipes are definitely considered WMDs.
(Weapons of Musical Destruction)

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: Listening to the "Big Schwag" scream for an hour on "Monster Nation",
--The guy is obviously in love with the sound of his own voice.
What he needs is someone to plug his pie hole... It shouldn't be about
makin' the noise, but about workin' the metal a la early Junkyard Wars.
It's a pity they don't make producers like Kathy Rogers any more. What
happened, did she get religion or something? She's disappeared from the
scene, more's the pity..


--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Whatever happened
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : to Ethyl Meatplow?
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:55:48 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
calmly ranted:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:19:51 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I use CDs in the
truck when I travel, but I often drive in the quiet.
Earplugs help.

Check the Oregon Vehicle Codes before you keep doing this - in
California if you aren't actively picking up trash in a refuse truck,
operating specialized construction equipment or an "Authorized
Emergency Vehicle", you are not allowed to wear earplugs headphones or
earmuffs in/on both ears while driving a motor vehicle or bicycle.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27400.htm

I couldn't find any laws in the online books for OR DMV.
The driver's manual did say "It is particularly dangerous to
wear headphones while driving." but I guess they trust our
judgment a bit more than your Governator does. g


For some strange reason, they want you to be able to hear the police
car or ambulance coming up behind you Code 3. Go figure. ;-)

Most people don't pay attention anyway and the trucks have to get
right up on their bumpers before they're even seen. I'm a defensive
driver and see them coming for a long, long way off.

Besides, most earplugs are hear-through. They block higher freqs
more than lower so they're mere attenuators, not blockers. I
can hear the stereo better with them IN than out. they take away
the white-noise of driving.

So, I love living dangerously. I also rewire my house with the power
on. One nitrile glove is usually enough to keep the 120v tingles to a
minimum. I'll wear both with 240v.

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:50:30 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:55:48 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
calmly ranted:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:19:51 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I use CDs in the
truck when I travel, but I often drive in the quiet.
Earplugs help.

Check the Oregon Vehicle Codes before you keep doing this - in
California if you aren't actively picking up trash in a refuse truck,
operating specialized construction equipment or an "Authorized
Emergency Vehicle", you are not allowed to wear earplugs headphones or
earmuffs in/on both ears while driving a motor vehicle or bicycle.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27400.htm

I couldn't find any laws in the online books for OR DMV.
The driver's manual did say "It is particularly dangerous to
wear headphones while driving." but I guess they trust our
judgment a bit more than your Governator does. g


For some strange reason, they want you to be able to hear the police
car or ambulance coming up behind you Code 3. Go figure. ;-)

Most people don't pay attention anyway and the trucks have to get
right up on their bumpers before they're even seen. I'm a defensive
driver and see them coming for a long, long way off.

I've seen a number of times where the fire truck should push the
single car that *will* not go through the red light !

They can be heard even in my truck over the music if you know what to
listen for. It amazes me how other drivers can be absent minded and
live so long. Seems like I'm the only one that moves over before a cop
car blows by in the left break down lane.

Changing lanes with my knee and answering the phone doesn't faze me
unless dodging cones. What's fun is (...) getting them to go first
cause you don't trust them. ) Not the cones. Hmmm, wonder if
that's how the cone heads where thought up as.


For the OP , I find it sad . Such a great technology and waisted.
What I want to know is how you can get the $ to show nothing.
Well, mostly nothing and then skip the important parts. Plus why one
would weld next to a new shinny engine out of the box and beat and
force parts that have to come apart for maintenance and sell them as
new. Or what ever BS show , I bet if a show was made full of info.
you'd have trouble finding people to bitch about it , especially on
this NG.

Besides, most earplugs are hear-through. They block higher freqs
more than lower so they're mere attenuators, not blockers. I
can hear the stereo better with them IN than out. they take away
the white-noise of driving.

So, I love living dangerously. I also rewire my house with the power
on. One nitrile glove is usually enough to keep the 120v tingles to a
minimum. I'll wear both with 240v.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
snip-----

So, I love living dangerously. I also rewire my house with the power
on. One nitrile glove is usually enough to keep the 120v tingles to a
minimum. I'll wear both with 240v.

OK, we'll overlook the live wiring , but we sure as hell better not catch
you running with scissors!

Harold

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:22:10 -0800, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
calmly ranted:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
snip-----

So, I love living dangerously. I also rewire my house with the power
on. One nitrile glove is usually enough to keep the 120v tingles to a
minimum. I'll wear both with 240v.

OK, we'll overlook the live wiring , but we sure as hell better not catch
you running with scissors!

I do that, and I've waltzed through airport security checkpoints with
9" sharpened pencils sticking right out of my shirt pocket, too.
Nyah nya nya nya nyah!

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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:22:10 -0800, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
calmly ranted:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
snip-----

So, I love living dangerously. I also rewire my house with the power
on. One nitrile glove is usually enough to keep the 120v tingles to a
minimum. I'll wear both with 240v.

OK, we'll overlook the live wiring , but we sure as hell better not catch
you running with scissors!

I do that, and I've waltzed through airport security checkpoints with
9" sharpened pencils sticking right out of my shirt pocket, too.
Nyah nya nya nya nyah!

Not any more you won't. I've already contacted the pencil cops.

H

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...
I'm on a dialup, which won't work, but thanks for the link, Lane.
Fortunately, that's not my cup of tea, either. Smooth jazz in general
doesn't seem to interest me much. If I never listen to Kenny G in my
lifetime, I'll be fine with that. Not that he's not one talented guy,
just
not my choice of listening.

Harold,

I'm a chunky jazz kind of guy myself. The following was recently posted on
the RecMusicMakersGuitarJazz NG. It pretty much sums up my feelings about
Kenny G...

A guy was given a gun with two rounds. He turned a corner and was
confronted by Osama Bin Laden. Adilf Hitler and Kenny G. With his first
shot he killed Kenny G, then shot him again, to be certain.

Peter

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:46:10 -0800, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
calmly ranted:

snip----

I like Davis alright, but I prefer the more recent jazz/fusion style
primarily. I fell in love with John Klemmer's "Touch" album, and have
always liked Grover Washington's sax. Some of my favorite musicians
are Shadowdance, Acoustic Alchemy, the Rippingtons, Jean Luc Ponty,
and Doug Cameron. Recognize any of them? I fell mostly out of rock
and into jazz about the 70s.

I've never been a Grover Washington fan, although I don't dislike his music.
I guess I just traveled in a different lane. A shame he died recently, and
all too young.

Of all the names you listed, only Jean Luc Ponty rings a bell (aside from G.
Washington), and I'm not enamored by his fiddle, although I have heard some
of his work that appealed to me. Somewhere in my many boxes of LP's I have
one of his albums, but I couldn't tell you the title if my life depended on
it. Maybe someday when the house is finished and we once again return to
the world of the living! In general his music is a bit far out for my
taste. If you like fiddle, I'm not convinced anyone will ever replace Joe
Venuti, not even Stephan Grappelli. In later years I found Noel Pointer
of great interest, though, and Regina Carter seems to lend the same type of
charm to music as he did. All of them have/had a style that was more to my
liking. I've also enjoyed the Turtle Island String Quartet, and if you go
back a trifle, the Baroque Inevitable was quite good.


Although I had already started to listen to jazz a little when I was still
in high school, the serious transition from rock to jazz occurred for me
when the Beatles became popular. By that time I was up to my ears with
what I considered terrible music, what with folk having replaced my favorite
rock musicians. I've slowly come to appreciate a lot of the works of
Lennon & McCartney, but mostly when performed by others. Lennon's Blackbird
has become one of my favorite tunes and is being done quite a bit on jazz
stations. It was recorded in the late 70's by Lincoln Mayorga direct to
disc by Sheffield Records, which, at the time, was as good as recordings
could be had.

Interesting how I like folk now, whereas I pretty much detested it as a
youngster. Could it be I've grown up?

If you want a real treat, and enjoy classical played in a jazz idiom, check
out Jacques Loussier. He's a French pianist that has to have the best hands
going today. He has several albums titled Play Bach, I, II, III, etc.
His later recordings include other classical composers, including Vivaldi.
I've yet to hear something he's recorded that wasn't outstanding. Piano,
bass and drums. It's all you need. Really!!


Nice site! How I envy you your music, though. I have a fairly nice
shop,
although all manual machines, no CNC. As I've grown older, I've had to
ponder what I'd forego should I become limited in my abilities, which is
surely possible. I've often stated that when the time comes to make a
decision, my machines would have to go before the stereo, assuming it got
down to that. Our stereo system has provided so much pleasure that I
can't imagine life without it. Amongst my most cherished possessions is
the JBL Paragon speaker system.

Nice. The Ortofon brings back fond memories of back when I was able to
hear without the constant tinnitus and tracked things like that. Some
day I'll have my old pair of Bose 501s reconed.

I suffer with tinnitus in my left ear, but not constantly. It appears to go
away when I work hard, or have rested well. I combat it by turning up the
stereo. I can always overwhelm it! g

Along with the Paragon, I have two sets of JBL C50 speakers, each with the
S8R speaker arrangement within the Olympus enclosures. I've turned them
against the wall the way the 501's are intended to be used, and the sound is
unbelievable. Bose really had a great gimmick going. Not saying the
sound wasn't good, not at all. Just a comment that most any speaker system
can be enhanced by reflecting the sound off a wall. I'm not sure what it
does to acoustics, but it sure as hell makes for a bold sound.


I messed around with music from the side of the musician long enough to
understand that I'd likely never be one. Tried the sax, and bag pipes,
and
even the baritone when I was in junior high. What I discovered is I'm a
lot better at playing the stereo. Anyone interested in a beautiful
sterling
and ivory set of Sinclair pipes, very low miles? Built in the mid
80's.g

Careful, Harold. Threats like that could get the DHS breathing down
your neck in a hurry! Bagpipes are definitely considered WMDs.
(Weapons of Musical Destruction)

Chuckle! You must be one of the other guys. I've found few in the middle
where pipes are concerned. Personally, I love 'em! Folks either do, or
don't. I'll count you in the "don't" column!

Eat enough turkey Thursday?

Harold

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 02:01:15 -0800, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
spake the words:

I've never been a Grover Washington fan, although I don't dislike his music.
I guess I just traveled in a different lane. A shame he died recently, and
all too young.

Of all the names you listed, only Jean Luc Ponty rings a bell (aside from G.
Washington), and I'm not enamored by his fiddle, although I have heard some
of his work that appealed to me. Somewhere in my many boxes of LP's I have
one of his albums, but I couldn't tell you the title if my life depended on
it. Maybe someday when the house is finished and we once again return to
the world of the living! In general his music is a bit far out for my

Yeah, he can be for me, too, but his really good stuff is worth the
effort to find. Listen to some new people on www.cdnow.com
Acoustic Alchemy's "Natural Elements" is good. Listen to Casino and
Natural Elements.


taste. If you like fiddle, I'm not convinced anyone will ever replace Joe
Venuti, not even Stephan Grappelli.

I think I've heard of those two, somewhere, sometime. Try Doug Cameron
for great electric violin, too. New-Agey stuff. Oh, listening to "Jazz
Violin 1926-1942" I find Venuti and Grapelli very Djangoesque. That's
OK every once in awhile but too screechy for extended listening.
Perhaps we're just going down two different tracks. I prefer a more
laid back listening experience for the most part. Ponty is one of the
exceptions, and I like his fire when he gets going.


In later years I found Noel Pointer
of great interest, though, and Regina Carter seems to lend the same type of
charm to music as he did. All of them have/had a style that was more to my
liking. I've also enjoyed the Turtle Island String Quartet, and if you go
back a trifle, the Baroque Inevitable was quite good.

No bells (or violins) there.


Although I had already started to listen to jazz a little when I was still
in high school, the serious transition from rock to jazz occurred for me
when the Beatles became popular. By that time I was up to my ears with
what I considered terrible music, what with folk having replaced my favorite
rock musicians. I've slowly come to appreciate a lot of the works of
Lennon & McCartney, but mostly when performed by others. Lennon's Blackbird
has become one of my favorite tunes and is being done quite a bit on jazz
stations. It was recorded in the late 70's by Lincoln Mayorga direct to
disc by Sheffield Records, which, at the time, was as good as recordings
could be had.

My problem with instrumental renditions of good old songs is that
the musicians playing them are using entirely different instruments
in entirely different ways. It's like a fax of a 3-D pictu way too
much gets lost in the translation.


Interesting how I like folk now, whereas I pretty much detested it as a
youngster. Could it be I've grown up?

"Gone daft." is more likely. I like most everything in
moderation, except Top 40 and Pops.


If you want a real treat, and enjoy classical played in a jazz idiom, check
out Jacques Loussier. He's a French pianist that has to have the best hands
going today. He has several albums titled Play Bach, I, II, III, etc.
His later recordings include other classical composers, including Vivaldi.
I've yet to hear something he's recorded that wasn't outstanding. Piano,
bass and drums. It's all you need. Really!!

I love piano and it's especially nice when I find someone without
the normal heavy handedness that seems to be so prevalent with real
emotion that the pieces can evoke in both the player and listener. I
love Michael Jones, George Winston, David Benoit, and most others who
have graced Windham Hill and Narada presentations.


I suffer with tinnitus in my left ear, but not constantly. It appears to go
away when I work hard, or have rested well. I combat it by turning up the
stereo. I can always overwhelm it! g

That'll do 'er.


Along with the Paragon, I have two sets of JBL C50 speakers, each with the
S8R speaker arrangement within the Olympus enclosures. I've turned them
against the wall the way the 501's are intended to be used, and the sound is
unbelievable. Bose really had a great gimmick going. Not saying the
sound wasn't good, not at all. Just a comment that most any speaker system
can be enhanced by reflecting the sound off a wall. I'm not sure what it
does to acoustics, but it sure as hell makes for a bold sound.

You'll lose a lot of stero imagery that way on most cheapy speaker.
That is IF they had any to begin with.


Careful, Harold. Threats like that could get the DHS breathing down
your neck in a hurry! Bagpipes are definitely considered WMDs.
(Weapons of Musical Destruction)

Chuckle! You must be one of the other guys. I've found few in the middle
where pipes are concerned. Personally, I love 'em! Folks either do, or
don't. I'll count you in the "don't" column!

They're great in context. Y'know, about 20 seconds of 'em in a battle
scene set against a breathtaking Scottish highland landscape, then
the whimper of them dying later as the piper gets a claymore through
him and he falls on the bag. bseg


Eat enough turkey Thursday?

Ayup, and made the turkey soup Saturday, then froze what was left
of both meat and soup yesterday after a nice big sammich.

You?

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I'm impressed! Just curious, did you guys grow up in the 50's?
Randy

"Randy Replogle" wrote in message
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I'm impressed! Just curious, did you guys grow up in the 50's?
Randy


Some folks would swear I never grew up, but, yes, I grew up in the 50's.
Born in July of '39. I was a dyed-in-the-wool rock fan when a young lad,
but my brother, whom I am not close to at all, started chasing with a guy
that listened to jazz, and he picked up the bad habit. He played it on
his "hi-fi" constantly, and really annoyed me. I was already a fan of big
band, but knew little about the individual musicians. One day my brother
played the album Wailing at the Trianon, Lionel Hampton. It got my
attention and soon I was listening to even the likes of Brubeck, which was
most shocking considering I used to complain loudly when my brother played
him. After all, he was no Fats Domino! Brubeck became my favorite
pianist, and I never missed him when he came to town, which he did fairly
often considering I lived near Salt Lake City, a town not exactly known for
its following of jazz. Today my taste in piano has expanded and I find
several that I enjoy, including amongst them Oscar Peterson, Jacques
Loussier, Art Tatum, Monk, Les McCann, Count Basie, John Lewis, Ellis
Marsalis, and who could forget Erroll Garner. What a distinctive style he
had!

I'm pretty sure Larry is younger than I am by quite a bit. He'll have to
speak for himself.

Harold