The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

--
Ed Huntress

On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

California gets a reality check and irony of ironies, Guv Moonbeam is
leading the way!

God bless Vespucciland!

David

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:19:36 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

California gets a reality check and irony of ironies, Guv Moonbeam is
leading the way!

God bless Vespucciland!

David

G Well, Moonbeam or not, a multi-year drought takes no prisoners.
It's a good thing that global warming is a hoax and this is all part
of a natural cycle, eh? That will make the Californians feel much
better about it.

--
Ed Huntress

Interesting, thanks for posting. Most interesting was the pictures!
Cheek-by-jowl desert and neat, green suburbia. Staggeringly absurd.

25% water reduction, except ag, which is 80% of use. So 25% of 20%; 5%
of overall. 5%!! That's gonna help a lot.

Bob

I heard that the 'green' party - or activist of tree huggers, if you
will, went over the top and forced the massive Water dam that supplied
water to northern Ca and some to Southern Ca to be drained. It was
dumped into the ocean. And why ? they thought the valley it filled must
have been pretty and should be returned to what it was 100 years
ago. Just think the party would vaporize also ...

This was just one of the outrageous acts done by overly active
environmental people. I'm an environmental type, but I don't kill my
neighbors trees because he planted them there. Or burn down this or
that because it wasn't here before.

I want to know when this country got the notion that a minority RULES
the majority? The law states that the minority must be allowed to be
heard. They were empowered to rule our lives. A few here and a few
there can wreck our lives!

Martin

On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

Drought yes. The large reservoirs were drained and dumped
into the ocean. The snow was slacking off 10 years ago.
This next week it should snow nicely and rain below. Large
series of storms are about to flood the central plain.

Martin

On 4/4/2015 7:10 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:19:36 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

California gets a reality check and irony of ironies, Guv Moonbeam is
leading the way!

God bless Vespucciland!

David

G Well, Moonbeam or not, a multi-year drought takes no prisoners.
It's a good thing that global warming is a hoax and this is all part
of a natural cycle, eh? That will make the Californians feel much
better about it.

On 4/4/2015 7:10 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:19:36 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

California gets a reality check and irony of ironies, Guv Moonbeam is
leading the way!

God bless Vespucciland!

David

G Well, Moonbeam or not, a multi-year drought takes no prisoners.
It's a good thing that global warming is a hoax and this is all part
of a natural cycle, eh? That will make the Californians feel much
better about it.

I don't think GW is a hoax, I suspect AGW is and, regardless, I doubt
that there is much we can do about it. Our being able to change global
cycles is like an ant altering the path of a glacier.

David



Whenever I read of California's woes, I can't help but think, "Ain't
Karma a bitch?"

David

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:17:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Interesting, thanks for posting. Most interesting was the pictures!
Cheek-by-jowl desert and neat, green suburbia. Staggeringly absurd.

Yes, that full-page-width format the NY Times is experimenting with
lends itself to some dramatic photos. In this case, it's a revealing
perspective for those of us who haven't seen it. I was last in
California last April, but I didn't get much sense of it, because I
was mostly in L.A. and Sandy Eggo -- artificial worlds.


25% water reduction, except ag, which is 80% of use. So 25% of 20%; 5%
of overall. 5%!! That's gonna help a lot.

Yeah, I didn't try to follow that part. g

BTW, the Times has been dabbling with new ideas for digitial
publishing, and they won a Pullitzer for one especially dramatic
example a couple of years ago -- "Snow Fall; The Avalanche at Tunnel
Creek."

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2012...t=tunnel-creek

The photos and animation are real eye-openers. This is where
"long-form" journalism may be headed.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:39:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

I heard that the 'green' party - or activist of tree huggers, if you
will, went over the top and forced the massive Water dam that supplied
water to northern Ca and some to Southern Ca to be drained. It was
dumped into the ocean. And why ? they thought the valley it filled must
have been pretty and should be returned to what it was 100 years
ago. Just think the party would vaporize also ...

This was just one of the outrageous acts done by overly active
environmental people. I'm an environmental type, but I don't kill my
neighbors trees because he planted them there. Or burn down this or
that because it wasn't here before.

I want to know when this country got the notion that a minority RULES
the majority? The law states that the minority must be allowed to be
heard. They were empowered to rule our lives. A few here and a few
there can wreck our lives!

Ask Larry. He thinks that the minority has a right to threaten
government officials, elected by majorities, with guns. Maybe he can
give you some insight on the minority ruling the majority.

--
Ed Huntress


Martin

On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:39:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

I heard that the 'green' party - or activist of tree huggers, if you
will, went over the top and forced the massive Water dam that supplied
water to northern Ca and some to Southern Ca to be drained. It was
dumped into the ocean. And why ? they thought the valley it filled must
have been pretty and should be returned to what it was 100 years
ago. Just think the party would vaporize also ...

I was just reading a treatise on what would happen to the aquaducts
both from the Colorado River and the Sacto Delta when the San Andreas
(or one of the MANY other faults) cuts loose. The levees would
liquefy and the water would quickly disperse. The Colorado aquaduct
would lose power, probably lose integrity of the pipes going over the
mountains, and their levees would liquefy, losing all water. This
means that nearly ALL water to SoCal would cease, instantly. Scary
thought. I sure wouldn't want to be living in HelL.A. then. And I'm
glad I'm no longer living down there in Fort Stinkin' Desert.


They've been mandating dam removals all over Oregon lately, too. The
salmon have been having trouble getting back to their mating areas,
getting cut up climbing the fish ladders.

So, they remove the dams. Hmm, now they find that the river levels
are lower and the fish are getting cut up in the riffles (shallow
rocky areas which show whitewater or ripply water). Hmm, do you think
the riffles could have been the cause in the -first- place? Ayup, so
do I; so do I.


This was just one of the outrageous acts done by overly active
environmental people. I'm an environmental type, but I don't kill my
neighbors trees because he planted them there. Or burn down this or
that because it wasn't here before.

I've been an environmentalist since the '70s, but I'm nothing like the
idiot, tree-hugging greenies running around now with their heads up
their arses. A truly excellent book from a sane environmentalist is
titled _Hard Green_, by Peter Huber, if you're interested.


I want to know when this country got the notion that a minority RULES
the majority? The law states that the minority must be allowed to be
heard. They were empowered to rule our lives. A few here and a few
there can wreck our lives!

That ****ing spotted owl, so heartily hailed by enviroterrorists,
ruined our county's economy out here in Oregon. Then, it turns out
that the owl was being killed by yet another owl species, not tree
cutting. So, what do they do next: they start KILLING THAT SPECIES!
One never knows what magnificent ideas will come out of their asses,
does one?

Oregon spends hundreds of millions of dollars _per_year_, fighting
frivilous lawsuits filed by tree-hugging assbites. And they ruined
any salvage we could have made in fire areas which had already been
pretty much burnt up. WTF,O?

Libruls, can't live with them, can't shoot 'em...


On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

Evocative photos, wot?

--
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless,
but planning is indispensable. --Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:42:33 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 7:10 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:19:36 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:09 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has
a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine.
There's some good info there on the prospects for California
businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us...ss-growth.html

California gets a reality check and irony of ironies, Guv Moonbeam is
leading the way!

God bless Vespucciland!

David

G Well, Moonbeam or not, a multi-year drought takes no prisoners.
It's a good thing that global warming is a hoax and this is all part
of a natural cycle, eh? That will make the Californians feel much
better about it.

I don't think GW is a hoax, I suspect AGW is and, regardless, I doubt
that there is much we can do about it. Our being able to change global
cycles is like an ant altering the path of a glacier.

David

If it's a natural cycle, then that's probably true. But all anyone
except a serious climatologist has is "suspicions." Real
climatologists have, at least, probabilities.

But judging from the threads going on here, however much warming is
going on, humans are at least generating a vast amount of
anthropogenic wind. d8-)




Whenever I read of California's woes, I can't help but think, "Ain't
Karma a bitch?"

David

That's what you get when you allow nearly unlimited development with
little idea about how you're going to keep all those people, farms,
and industries hydrated. Whoever drinks the last drop from the San
Joaquin River should turn the lights out before he leaves.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

That's what you get when you allow nearly unlimited development with
little idea about how you're going to keep all those people, farms,
and industries hydrated. Whoever drinks the last drop from the San
Joaquin River should turn the lights out before he leaves.

--
Ed Huntress

There was an intresting blurb on the news tonight, in an interview
a rice farmer in northern CA. said he plans to sell his water alotment
rather than plant rice because he could make more money in doing
so. Makes me wonder if some day water will cost more than gasoline
in LALA land.

Best Regards
Tom.

On 4/5/2015 12:09 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:42:33 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote:


I don't think GW is a hoax, I suspect AGW is and, regardless, I doubt
that there is much we can do about it. Our being able to change global
cycles is like an ant altering the path of a glacier.

David

If it's a natural cycle, then that's probably true. But all anyone
except a serious climatologist has is "suspicions." Real
climatologists have, at least, probabilities.

But judging from the threads going on here, however much warming is
going on, humans are at least generating a vast amount of
anthropogenic wind. d8-)

This is the nature of Usenet.

Whenever I read of California's woes, I can't help but think, "Ain't
Karma a bitch?"

David

That's what you get when you allow nearly unlimited development with
little idea about how you're going to keep all those people, farms,
and industries hydrated. Whoever drinks the last drop from the San
Joaquin River should turn the lights out before he leaves.

Between Milwaukee and Waukesha to the west is the line where the Lake
Michigan watershed and Mississippi watersheds meet. There is a long
standing US-Canada agreement that no one can take water from the Great
Lakes into other watersheds without the agreement of ALL states and
provinces bordering the Great Lakes.

Waukesha is whining that they can't continue to overdevelop the area w/o
Lake Michigan water. Lots of shyster billable hours already wasted, no
sympathy for Waukesha. Once water flows out w/o coming back, how long
before clowns want to waste it on LaLaLand?

David

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 23:46:18 -0700, "Howard Beal"
wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .

That's what you get when you allow nearly unlimited development with
little idea about how you're going to keep all those people, farms,
and industries hydrated. Whoever drinks the last drop from the San
Joaquin River should turn the lights out before he leaves.

--
Ed Huntress

There was an intresting blurb on the news tonight, in an interview
a rice farmer in northern CA. said he plans to sell his water alotment
rather than plant rice because he could make more money in doing

When, oh when, will our elected representatives start watching out for
the public (and the COUNTRY), as they are supposed to? _Farmers_
should be given _farming_ water allotments ONLY when they _farm_,
damnit.


so. Makes me wonder if some day water will cost more than gasoline
in LALA land.

It already does. Bottled water has been more expensive than gas for
years.

--
When a quiet man is moved to passion, it seems the very earth will shake.
-- Stephanie Barron
(Something for the Powers That Be to remember, eh?)

On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 2:44:48 AM UTC-4, Howard Beal wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

That's what you get when you allow nearly unlimited development with
little idea about how you're going to keep all those people, farms,
and industries hydrated. Whoever drinks the last drop from the San
Joaquin River should turn the lights out before he leaves.

There was an intresting blurb on the news tonight, in an
interview a rice farmer in northern CA. said he plans to sell
his water allotment rather than plant rice because he could make
more money in doing so. Makes me wonder if some day water will cost
more than gasoline in LALA land.

If the water resources industry gets more lucrative than the Bush's beloved oil and gas crowd, then that's where the top corporate lawyers will go with their "spin".

Before long, I bet all of a sudden California will never have drought problems again.

On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 09:52:13 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 2:44:48 AM UTC-4, Howard Beal wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

That's what you get when you allow nearly unlimited development with
little idea about how you're going to keep all those people, farms,
and industries hydrated. Whoever drinks the last drop from the San
Joaquin River should turn the lights out before he leaves.

There was an intresting blurb on the news tonight, in an
interview a rice farmer in northern CA. said he plans to sell
his water allotment rather than plant rice because he could make
more money in doing so. Makes me wonder if some day water will cost
more than gasoline in LALA land.

If the water resources industry gets more lucrative than the Bush's beloved oil and gas crowd, then that's where the top corporate lawyers will go with their "spin".

Before long, I bet all of a sudden California will never have drought problems again.

California will have endless, and growing, water shortages unless and
until they start pricing water on market principles. Otherwise,
they're screwed.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 13:42:17 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

snip

If the water resources industry gets more lucrative than the Bush's beloved oil and gas crowd, then that's where the top corporate lawyers will go with their "spin".

Before long, I bet all of a sudden California will never have drought problems again.

Enron redux? http://tinyurl.com/2bosxl

California will have endless, and growing, water shortages unless and
until they start pricing water on market principles. Otherwise,
they're screwed.

Or our "Leadership" grows a pair, funds and deploys LFTR
specifically for desalinization and pumping. I suggest
development on the FOSS [Free and Open Source Software]
GNU/GPL http://tinyurl.com/og5oj model on Gethub
http://tinyurl.com/4dyt6b or equivalent.

For example, huge strides were made in the development and
deployment of 3d printers when the patents expired and
hard/soft ware development was public domain, e. g.
http://tinyurl.com/q3q3ows [yes some people are running a
3d/3 axis (Drimel tool) router from this board in addition
to orthogonal and tripod 3printers
http://tinyurl.com/nma7r2j ]


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

"David R. Birch" writes:


Between Milwaukee and Waukesha to the west is the line where the Lake
Michigan watershed and Mississippi watersheds meet. There is a long
standing US-Canada agreement that no one can take water from the Great
Lakes into other watersheds without the agreement of ALL states and
provinces bordering the Great Lakes.

That's a treaty, not just a MOU.

Waukesha is whining that they can't continue to overdevelop the area w/o
Lake Michigan water. Lots of shyster billable hours already wasted, no
sympathy for Waukesha. Once water flows out w/o coming back, how long
before clowns want to waste it on LaLaLand?

Same applies to exporting Lake Erie water to Akron, the
demarcation [not the right term..] is just south of Medina.

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