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Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client
wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek |
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... Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek You could experiment by boring out steel water pipe with a 1/2" diameter by 8" long boring bar. You won't need the transducer. -jsw |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:30:10 -0500, amdx wrote:
Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek What was it supposed to do? Reduce chip welding? Help with breaking chips? I've experimented with one of these entirely mechanical devices: http://www.botek.de/products/single-...guage=en&cl=en http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtWYAA3fAaA The oscillation is axial and the amplitude is pretty small, on the order of a few tenths to a few thousandths. But that's in the range of the feed per rev of a gun drill, so it's effective at thinning and breaking the chips. -- Ned Simmons |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:59:47 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "amdx" wrote in message ... Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek You could experiment by boring out steel water pipe with a 1/2" diameter by 8" long boring bar. You won't need the transducer. -jsw ROFLMAO!! Indeed!! "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:59:47 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "amdx" wrote in message ... Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek You could experiment by boring out steel water pipe with a 1/2" diameter by 8" long boring bar. You won't need the transducer. Yes, but he wants _industrial_production_line_ chatter, Jim. -- It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment. -- Freeman Dyson |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:59:47 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "amdx" wrote in message ... Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek You could experiment by boring out steel water pipe with a 1/2" diameter by 8" long boring bar. You won't need the transducer. Yes, but he wants _industrial_production_line_ chatter, Jim. Machinists gossiping about "Scandal"??? Sorry, I made example #1 of products and the applicable test stations, but deviously evaded entanglement in their subsequent mass production. -jsw |
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... Sorry, I made example #1 of products and the applicable test stations, but deviously evaded entanglement in their subsequent mass production. -jsw Using a higgs field generator prevents any entanglement in mass production. Best Regards Tom. |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:07:10 -0700, "Howard Beal"
wrote: "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... Sorry, I made example #1 of products and the applicable test stations, but deviously evaded entanglement in their subsequent mass production. -jsw Using a higgs field generator prevents any entanglement in mass production. Best Regards Tom. But what do you do with the extra Bolsons? "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:07:10 -0700, "Howard Beal" wrote: "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... Sorry, I made example #1 of products and the applicable test stations, but deviously evaded entanglement in their subsequent mass production. -jsw Using a higgs field generator prevents any entanglement in mass production. Best Regards Tom. But what do you do with the extra Bolsons? A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. |
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On 6/10/2014 1:17 PM, Ned Simmons wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:30:10 -0500, amdx wrote: Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek What was it supposed to do? Reduce chip welding? Help with breaking chips? I've experimented with one of these entirely mechanical devices: http://www.botek.de/products/single-...guage=en&cl=en http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtWYAA3fAaA The oscillation is axial and the amplitude is pretty small, on the order of a few tenths to a few thousandths. But that's in the range of the feed per rev of a gun drill, so it's effective at thinning and breaking the chips. I watched the video, That could have been the idea behind the ultrasound applied to a cutting tool. I seem to have a memory about cutting extremely hard materials also. Others seem to have shown some ignorance on the subject, but that's ok, it is only because they are ignorant on the subject. So they poke fun.:-) Mikek --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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"amdx" wrote in message
... Others seem to have shown some ignorance on the subject, but that's ok, it is only because they are ignorant on the subject. So they poke fun.:-) Mikek Lighten up, r.c.m is a tough audience for me too. -jsw |
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On 6/11/2014 11:26 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"amdx" wrote in message ... Others seem to have shown some ignorance on the subject, but that's ok, it is only because they are ignorant on the subject. So they poke fun.:-) Mikek Lighten up, r.c.m is a tough audience for me too. -jsw Aw, I wasn't that hard on them :-) You want to see a tough audience, see rec.boats. Not much boat info, but a lot of entertainment. In there, if you don't agree with a liberal philosophy you are obviously a racist. Mikek --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:42:25 -0500, amdx wrote:
On 6/10/2014 1:17 PM, Ned Simmons wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:30:10 -0500, amdx wrote: Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek What was it supposed to do? Reduce chip welding? Help with breaking chips? I've experimented with one of these entirely mechanical devices: http://www.botek.de/products/single-...guage=en&cl=en http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtWYAA3fAaA The oscillation is axial and the amplitude is pretty small, on the order of a few tenths to a few thousandths. But that's in the range of the feed per rev of a gun drill, so it's effective at thinning and breaking the chips. So how well did it work? I watched the video, That could have been the idea behind the ultrasound applied to a cutting tool. I seem to have a memory about cutting extremely hard materials also. Others seem to have shown some ignorance on the subject, but that's ok, it is only because they are ignorant on the subject. So they poke fun.:-) Mikek --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:07:10 -0700, "Howard Beal" wrote: "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... Sorry, I made example #1 of products and the applicable test stations, but deviously evaded entanglement in their subsequent mass production. -jsw Using a higgs field generator prevents any entanglement in mass production. Best Regards Tom. But what do you do with the extra Bolsons? We use them to make Primordial Soup. Best Regards Tom. |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:08:18 -0700, "Howard Beal"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:07:10 -0700, "Howard Beal" wrote: "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... Sorry, I made example #1 of products and the applicable test stations, but deviously evaded entanglement in their subsequent mass production. -jsw Using a higgs field generator prevents any entanglement in mass production. Best Regards Tom. But what do you do with the extra Bolsons? We use them to make Primordial Soup. Best Regards Tom. Kin I have some? Kin I kin I??!!! "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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Jim Wilkins wrote: A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:57:26 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:42:25 -0500, amdx wrote: On 6/10/2014 1:17 PM, Ned Simmons wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:30:10 -0500, amdx wrote: Years ago I worked a ultrasound equipment manufacturer, one client wanted a lathe tool holder modified with our ultrasonic transducer to vibrate the tool 40,000 to 600,000 times a second. The amount of tool movement is small (micrometers) and adjustable. The job was never completed. Is this something that is in production? Do you see how it would help in cutting. Mikek What was it supposed to do? Reduce chip welding? Help with breaking chips? I've experimented with one of these entirely mechanical devices: http://www.botek.de/products/single-...guage=en&cl=en http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtWYAA3fAaA The oscillation is axial and the amplitude is pretty small, on the order of a few tenths to a few thousandths. But that's in the range of the feed per rev of a gun drill, so it's effective at thinning and breaking the chips. So how well did it work? I got the thing set up and running and it did pretty much what the video shows. Someone else took over to test it in production and I haven't asked how it worked in practice. -- Ned Simmons |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:34:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote: A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. You have -videos- of this, I hope? vbg -- It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment. -- Freeman Dyson |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:34:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote: A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. You have -videos- of this, I hope? vbg I incident I wish was recorded was my boss showing me a sensitive and expensive microwave Active Mixer he wanted in the circuit. He was holding it between thumb and forefinger when he pointed with it to the schematic on the large CAD CRT, which had built up quite a charge on its front surface. ZAP!--OH ****! I was concerned that the engineers would pick up the hot end of an iron left out of its holder. Upper management wouldn't recognize it as a tool. -jsw |
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On 6/12/2014 9:03 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:34:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote: A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. You have -videos- of this, I hope? vbg -- It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment. -- Freeman Dyson If so - send it upstairs for a training video! Martin |
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Larry Jaques wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:34:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote: A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. You have -videos- of this, I hope? vbg I wish! It would go viral in a hurry. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:32:46 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:34:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote: A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. You have -videos- of this, I hope? vbg I incident I wish was recorded was my boss showing me a sensitive and expensive microwave Active Mixer he wanted in the circuit. He was holding it between thumb and forefinger when he pointed with it to the schematic on the large CAD CRT, which had built up quite a charge on its front surface. ZAP!--OH ****! Har! Did he kill it? I was concerned that the engineers would pick up the hot end of an iron left out of its holder. Upper management wouldn't recognize it as a tool. snort -- There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American.* The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.* We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities.* We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. --Theodore Roosevelt |
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"Jim Wilkins" on Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:32:46
-0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:34:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote: A steady stream of Bozons cycled through the job of Production misManager. The nameplate by the door was a chalkboard. The interview test was to have them pick up a screwdriver. Grabbing the blade end qualified them for management. The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. You have -videos- of this, I hope? vbg I incident I wish was recorded was my boss showing me a sensitive and expensive microwave Active Mixer he wanted in the circuit. He was holding it between thumb and forefinger when he pointed with it to the schematic on the large CAD CRT, which had built up quite a charge on its front surface. ZAP!--OH ****! I was concerned that the engineers would pick up the hot end of an iron left out of its holder. Upper management wouldn't recognize it as a tool. "Doesn't take me long to inspect an iron." tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:32:46 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: I incident I wish was recorded was my boss showing me a sensitive and expensive microwave Active Mixer he wanted in the circuit. He was holding it between thumb and forefinger when he pointed with it to the schematic on the large CAD CRT, which had built up quite a charge on its front surface. ZAP!--OH ****! Har! Did he kill it? We had to assume so, since to test it we would have had to solder it on the board along with all the other expensive parts, and didn't have the hot air rework station to properly remove them. The board was a special low-loss material for 1GHz controlled-impedance circuits, with unknown desoldering properties, similar to the material used in oscilloscope inputs. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:29:14 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:32:46 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: I incident I wish was recorded was my boss showing me a sensitive and expensive microwave Active Mixer he wanted in the circuit. He was holding it between thumb and forefinger when he pointed with it to the schematic on the large CAD CRT, which had built up quite a charge on its front surface. ZAP!--OH ****! Har! Did he kill it? We had to assume so, since to test it we would have had to solder it on the board along with all the other expensive parts, and didn't have the hot air rework station to properly remove them. The board was a special low-loss material for 1GHz controlled-impedance circuits, with unknown desoldering properties, similar to the material used in oscilloscope inputs. Major Oops! I'm thinking "He's lucky he was a manager." -- There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American.* The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.* We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities.* We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. --Theodore Roosevelt |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:29:14 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: ZAP!--OH ****! Har! Did he kill it? We had to assume so, ... Major Oops! I'm thinking "He's lucky he was a manager." [That place] was truly a country club, which is great unless you're a caddy. For another reason not to use the part, see 2.1 Latent Failures: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/ssya010a/ssya010a.pdf -jsw |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:40:30 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:29:14 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: ZAP!--OH ****! Har! Did he kill it? We had to assume so, ... Major Oops! I'm thinking "He's lucky he was a manager." [That place] was truly a country club, which is great unless you're a caddy. For another reason not to use the part, see 2.1 Latent Failures: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/ssya010a/ssya010a.pdf -jsw Hey thanks! Fascinating document! Gunner "Libertarianism IS fascism... Fascism is corporate government – a Libertarian’s wet dream" Tala Brandeis Owner at Tala Brandeis Associates" |
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On 2014-06-13, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:34:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote: [ ... ] The next test was with a hot soldering iron. The ones that picked it up my the element were qualified for upper management. You have -videos- of this, I hope? vbg I don't know about employment tests, but I remember one ad in one of the industrial electronics magazines (back in the late 1960s or early 1970s) for a company who wanted to take over your electronics assembly work. They did not get one of the girls off the line. They either went out and got the boss's secretary or some other particularly attractive lady -- or hired a model. She put on the lab coat, sat at the bench, and picked up the soldering iron to pose for the photo. It was one of those Ungar ones with a ceramic heating element past the cork insulated grip on the Bakelite handle. She was holding it *by* the ceramic eating element. Based on her expression in the photo, it was not plugged in. :-) (And, based on the color of the heating element, it had *never* been plugged in.) Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | (KV4PH) Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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